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First off, Atey Ghailan has solid painting and drawing skills. There's no doubt about that.

However, he claims this illustration is 100% painted from scratch, no photos involved at all. If this is the case it's pretty damn impressive because that kind of controlled randomness that you can see in the props is very hard to conjure up from the imagination. Going by how most people in the industry work nowadays, I would have guessed that the messy desk and props were overpainted photos. His process videos always have a "now draw the rest of the owl" kind of vibe where there are big leaps between crucial steps.

Steps:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rPPk6

Process vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE-Co55c-sQ

>> No.4000572

>>4000568
>no photos
>Girl has been painted by a potato, of a potato

>> No.4000573

>>4000568
I find this hard to believe because the environment looks great but the girl looks like shit.

>> No.4000584

>>4000568
is he the snatty guy or something?

I'd say that almost all of his drawings are photo paintovers, I mean it's obvious isn't it

>> No.4000587

>>4000584

Snatti, yes.

>> No.4000588
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>>4000568
I thought the foreground was traced but this step (picrel) is really making me doubt it.

>> No.4000597

>anything even slightly impressive must be a trace, or else I won't feel validated for tracing
The absolute state of the NGMI crabs here

>> No.4000610

>>4000568
Why are you even bothering with such artists? They are either genius or hacks.

Whenever I see such artists, I just skip them and pretend they don't exist. I try to only pay attention to artists who have a somewhat simiöar style to mine, ie something I can identify with.

Looking at stuff like OP just kills your motivation.

>> No.4000611

>>4000568
looking at the video i don't think this is a paintover, i think he's just really fucking good at painting. you can see in the process video that the final painting is drawn over a cropped segment of his massive original sketch, so if it is painted over a photo then he would have had to create an entire sketch expanding on the photo he used just to create the illusion of not using a photo, which would be impressive in its own right, and also retarded

>> No.4000614

>>4000568
He never said that he drew it from imagination. Did you even watch the vid? He literally said he gathered a ton of reference images in the first minute.

I really feel like /ic/ have absolutely zero capacity for any critical thought whatsoever sometimes. There have been a bunch of threads too in the past where people gleefully spit in each other's mouths for hundreds of posts revolving around the OP without even bothering to verify the OP's premise in the first place (surprise: they were false).

>> No.4000619

>>4000611
>he would have had to create an entire sketch expanding on the photo he used just to create the illusion of not using a photo
Doing a sketch first is pretty fucking standard, no matter if using reference or not.

I think he definitely traced or copied from photo when sketching, but I don't think it's a "paintover".
Once you have the sketch, it's not THAT hard to paint it well, if you know how to paint.
The hardest part is just being able to visualize everything in 3d, and that's where you copy the sketch.

>> No.4000620

>>4000614
if the question is "did he use photo reference" then the answer is yes and the OP is a retard he literally said he had screenshots from the movie on-hand and the classroom was inspired by one from the movie

>> No.4000626
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>>4000619
this doesn't look like a traced photo. this looks like a pretty standard environment sketch that any concept artist worth his salt could do. then he cropped the top right like 10% of the image to expand into a full painting.

>> No.4000630

>>4000626
>pretty standard environment sketch that any concept artist worth his salt could do
Even people like Kim Jung Gi still use references when doing such sketches. It simply looks to realistic to be drawn from imagination.

>> No.4000631

>>4000630
Because it wasn't drawn from the imagination. Watch OP's video.

>> No.4000632

>>4000588
>>4000611
it's literally a photo copy, why even do art when you're just using an existing bg and throwing in some random out of perspective character on top

>> No.4000635

>>4000632
This. If you use references, at least do it well. Simply copying a background and throwing some girl in it is just lame.

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>>4000568
k

>> No.4000658

>>4000655
>looking at reference for "inspiration"
lmao what a hack

>> No.4000663

>>4000630
and he literally says he used reference in the video, what the fuck is wrong with your brain? are you retarded? do you have dementia? are you one of those retards who thinks that using reference means it doesn't count? post your work you dumb faggot

>> No.4000665

>>4000663
the fuck is your problem dumbfuck? i don't even need to watch this hack artist vid to see he used a reference

and no i don't think it is bad to use reference, if you actually know how to use them
this artist however does not know how to use them

fuck off retard

>> No.4000672

I first found him when he was being interviewed for painting 2 hours a day for 365 days straight, and before that he was already almost painting that much for years. This guy earned his skills.

>> No.4000693

>>4000568
It’s not that hard, they’re just random geometric household objects we’re in contact with constantly.
It’s harder to draw from imagination a monster or something that doesn’t exist.

Regardless, what does this painting mean? Is it official concept art for silent hill or fanart? I think it’s kind of a weird idea

>> No.4000720

>>4000665
holy fucking seethe, post your work

>> No.4000739
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4000739

I was his patron for some time and I watched several time lapses, he always drew everything from scratch.

Maybe he traces sometimes when no one is looking for time constraints, but it's clear he doesn't depend on tracing for making even the most complex shit happen.

Don't you ever badmouth /ourguy/ Snatti again.

>> No.4000752

>>4000693
>It’s not that hard

Post work.

>> No.4000764

>>4000568
>very hard to conjure up from the imagination
This is painted using refs you imbecile, lol

>> No.4000965

>>4000568
you bet your ass he's good he's a senior illustrator in riot games

>> No.4001159

Anyone got his “improve your painting process” or “improve your colors” on mega?

>> No.4001252

>>4001159
Theyre trash

>> No.4001267

>>4001252
Pyw ngmi anon

>> No.4001275

>>4000573
his job is literally background/environment artist

>> No.4001337

>>4001252
Are they I was always on the fence on buying them in case they were eh

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4001351

>>4000568
Its literally like how to draw a owl

>> No.4001939

>>4001267
Hi Atey, why so mad? No, youre not going to be the next Sycra

>> No.4001941

>>4001939
>thinks that a pro visit this ngmi fest

>> No.4003957
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4003957

>>4000739
>he always drew everything from scratch
He copypastes stuff from his old work a ton and just changes the colours or flips it. Low effort way to spam his stuff more and get more views I guess.
Different topic to OP's issue but I always thought it weird how people didn't notice.

>> No.4003966

>>4000568
Another one of those threads where /ic/ BEGs try to prove that a pro is "cheating" because they don't believe good artists exist.

>>4003957
>Enviroment artist recicles part of his painting while trying for different moods
Someone call the art police

>> No.4003993

>>4000665

MORON.

>> No.4004751

>>4003957
He states several times he liked this geisha painting and even made a few remakes.

>> No.4004765

>>4000739
>I watched several time lapses
it's incredibly easy to edit time lapses

>> No.4004950

>>4003966
>>4004751
>he always drew everything from scratch
Clearly not if he constantly copy pastes from previous work, that was the point.

>> No.4004957

>>4004765
>>4004950
The point is he can do it without tracing,a nd any tracing is for time constraints only, not lack of skill.

>it's incredibly easy to edit time lapses
Nigger, if all steps were shown without skipping, what is he going to edit? Takeouts? lmaoing@u.rn

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>>4000752
I'm telling you man, it's not that hard.
All these objects are from memory, not really any references. Its easy when they're everyday objects.
I realize I am shit compared to the artwork that OP posted and I certainly can't paint for anything, but if you just ur fundies meme then really everything like this is so easily broken down into simple shapes.
The things I really struggle with is rendering anything organic.

>> No.4005011

>>4005001
>I'm telling you man, it's not that hard.

Yeah ofcourse it's easy to draw random objects in a faked isometric like perspective. That's not remotely like anything in OP, plus rendering them to a near photo real finish.

>> No.4005136

>>4005011
But its NOT anything close to a near photo finish. Its highly stylized and painterly. Painterly meaning that he didn't spend time zooming in, refining edges.
You guys are just bellyaching over this because you all spend too much time doing photo studies were you attempt to copy a still life to the point of it looking like a photograph. Its a total waste of time.

Also, this painting that OP posted is successful using the same tricks that KJG uses, I forget what its called but its just like
>By adding lots and lots of details the viewer becomes less aware of inconsistencies, errors and lack of rendering
In contrast to this photo, imagine if the artist had only painted the girl- you'd notice how flat and awkward she really looks. I mean for christ sake look at that LINE that completes the bottom of her skirt. Its just fucking straight across totally perpendicular to her leg, its ridiculous. Like as if her legs are paper flat and theres no curve or perspective.
Its not a bad thing, its something to utilize if you like it.

is anyone gonna tell me why the artist made this artwork..

>> No.4005150

>>4003957
He reuses his art. What about it? Each piece has it's own story with it.

>> No.4006760

>>4000584
Paintovers? no
but he has said several times that he uses reference extensively for everything, as all actual great artists that aren't masters do.