/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

If I could draw as well as that OP image id quit trying to get better. Literally all I want to do is be able to render a decent anime esque female head/body. that isnt just line art. gonna kms

>>3990073
Download the hitokaku books. Watch pin2d on youtube.

You're welcome.

>>3990079
thats not op's work anon, zeronis did that

>>3990079
I have the opposite problem, I'm decent at rendering, but shitty at lineart.

I learned from Istebrak, and although she is great and I'm grateful, I have a huge gap.

>>3990079
Yeah search zeronis on deviantart or artstation, he draws really nice faces. Even as an anime fag myself, I wish I could be able to draw like him
>>3990081
Hey thanks, will search these references up. And is simply looking at the images and copying them helpful?

>>3990092
yeah hitokaku outright says you just need to copy, and it works if you know basic perspective anon.

>>3990073
>There's just so many ways to go about it
That's the reality. Loomis, Proko, everyone has a different path, and opinion, it's about finding the method that clicks for you. There's no guarantee which one will, or if any will. Some people just won't ever "get" art - their brains are wired for different things.
>figure drawing help you draw appealing anime faces
No. It's two completely different things - one is cartooning, the other is traditional figurative work. Pick one, dive in. Cartooning has a completely different mindset, even though there's overlap with traditional techniques and concepts.
I think you're like a lot of people here, who want to be a cartoonist, but think you'll get the skills for it from pursuing studio discipline and technique. It doesn't hurt, but if you want to draw "appealing" anime faces, then study ANIME. 'Appealing" is conceptual, not technique. That's like asking "if I learn all the guitar chords, will that make me a guitar solo master?" - it's two different things, two different mindsets, with a common context.
And, this place doesn't understand that, so of course you're confused - this place would confuse the living shit out of anyone.

>>3990081
>Download the hitokaku books
Where

>>3990098
sorry for my autism but is the hitokaku books the very first link under the ???? section and when i click the link it just brings me to a bunch of artbooks that im not sure which one to copy.

>>3990107
>>3990116
They are in the anime thread Original post.

>>3990105
I totally understand, and thank you for your response. I wish I could talk with you more in depth about my problems, but yeah.. what I've been experiencing is that I've tried drawing anime faces over and over again a lot because that's the thing I've always liked and gravitated towards. Is it simply that I'm maybe not cut out for this and that people like Ross and Zeronis are just gifted. Sorry for using that word but I just can't seem to grasp around the fact in any other way. I mean I know it sounds retarded, but I feel like them, and some twitter artists just get things much easier, and stuff just come a lot more fluidly to them. It's funny but I used to think being able to draw realistically would be able to get me to draw in a very nice anime style, however, I quickly learned that wasn't the case when I saw a realistic painter (theportraitart) in a live stream where he tried drawing anime, but really failed (even with a reference). I try to surround myself with anime references of artists I admire, but yeah.. I still feel kinda stuck even observing their work, then trying to draw some face in my own style on paper. Do i simply have to just copy copy copy repetitively and constantly like kronpr1nz to finally be able to draw things appealing? Maybe I've been doing it wrong, and it's simply just copying a drawing a billion times until you can get that drawing right without reference, like learning a new song on the piano. I really don't know.. Wish there was one steadfast method I could just hone in on 16 hours a day to get better faster but it's just all really so confusing, and so many people seem to be saying different things. Like, "ohh don't draw anime. Do figure drawings that'll help you a lot, and study anatomy" Is it just mileage? putting pencil to paper, and drawing a lot? I do feel like even mileage isn't good when you don't draw in the right way. Like things like problems with symmetry stay when you don't consciously make an effort to fix it.

>>3990129
Look, not everyone can do things, just because they want to. I had a lot of things I wanted to do, but found out I have no talent or ability for them. And it sucks to hit the wall - but it's healthy to self-reflect, realize you're spinning your wheels, and move on to something you can succeed at. I wanted to play guitar. Not because of "star" or "chicks", or any of that, but because I love the sound guitars make, still do. I wanted to do THAT. But i can't, and I made a deliberative decision making process right after high school, and steered hard into art, and it paid off. Maybe it will for you, maybe it won't - you should TRY. And maybe along the way, find something you love as much, that you can do.
There are no easy answers, but you gotta try. It's risk, but life is risk. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a lottery ticket. But you got ask yourself if it's still worth it, after years of not winning, ya know?

>>3990133
fuck just wanted to get good at something for once man.
>>3990121
and sorry man i still can't find it lol.. Do you mind linking it to me

>>3990073
>do things like figure drawing help you draw appealing anime faces?
No what a dumb fucking question. Figure drawing makes you better at drawing the figure.

>>3990153
>>3990107

https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!8Vch3CyD

They are called nakamura seiich(it's fun drawing people/clothse/head)

>>3990073
Everything helps.
But if you want to do one thing you have to study that one thing.

>>3990105
>it's about finding the method that clicks for you
This is the truth.

OP, loomis is a meme here. It's a meme a lot of people fall for, but the fact of the matter is that loomis is not the end-all be-all of art instructions and if his methods don't work for you, that's no big deal.

I'll say this for anyone who uses Loomis and feels like they're in over their head: look at Drawing the Head and Figure by Jack Hamm, instead. It's simpler and it teaches you the basics. It's a thin book, easy to pick up and flip through and find what you need help with.

I see so many artists (on here especially) get obsessed with "the process." People sketching the skeletal lines of figures and heads and then haphazardly drawing over them, showing they don't really know WHY those lines are where they are. Like they see artists they admire draw those circles and lines for heads, so they do it too, but they have no idea how to utilize the sketches as guides.

>if you want to draw "appealing" anime faces, then study ANIME.
Seconding this too. Copy artists you like in your private sketchbooks/files and dissect what it is that appeals to you. Eye size? Placement? The way they draw the hair? Etc.

>>3990098
are you lying?

>>3990105
>if you want to draw "appealing" anime faces, then study ANIME
> Copy artists you like in your private sketchbooks/files and dissect what it is that appeals to you. Eye size? Placement? The way they draw the hair?

Fucking ngmi retards, that's like saying you should disassemble your cupboard if you want to become a carpenter. Don't reverse engineer other people's stuff, learn from bottom up. And yes, that involves "traditional" drawing techniques, since fundamentals are the same for everything.

Unless you want to end up like one of those people who copy and memorize individual elements of something, with no understanding of the underlying structure, and just assemble them like a mental collage.

>>3990079
Once you get at that skill level, you will have developed enough taste and eye for detail that you'll see flaws in even your high level work, which you will want to fix.
The ride never ends.

>>3991230
Are you saying that people should not study target artists and styles? People who do that are ngmi retards?

>>3991235
Copying someone else's style is the most NGMI retard shit ever. How about you leave the comfort zone and expand your visual library by studying a broad range of topics, including real life, literature, design, architecture, etc?

That's the difference between NGMI and GMI. Don't box yourself into some niche, art is about exploring the human condition, in all its forms.

>>3991241
I'm not asking you about copying someone else's style. People said to study anime and to copy and dissect artists' drawings, it's in what you quoted. Does this make them ngmi retards? Answer the question.

See there are so many differing opinions it's just really hard to focus in on what I should do.. I feel kinda stuck though.. Just drawing faces, and it's becoming kind of repetitive, and yet I feel like constant practice is the only way to get better. I think I'll continue to observe artists I like and continue to draw and gain influence from them. Anatomy and stuff is just so hard to get into it's just blehhh. It's probably an excuse to not want to get down into the knitty gritty, I know, but if I don't really need to draw realistic stuff to get good like people in pic related then i'd say fuck the anatomy, and just go straight into practicing/observing and even copying the anime artstyle fully. Again, it's so confusing because there's literally so many ways to go about it, and some methods may be better than others. From experience though, people like Sycra, and Proko. They're fairly good at realism, yet they for sure for a fact can't draw things like pic related.

>>3990073
>Ross draws
just go to /beg why make another redundant thread

>>3991246
Yes.
What if the way your favorite artist does things isn't the best way to do things? Don't you want to be the best at something? Do you enjoy mediocrity? Do you want to follow others, instead of lead? Do you think those semi-professional artists you are inspired by have some divine perfect knowledge that is enough to limit your ambition by? They're figuring this shit out as they go along just as you are. You want to study their success, but what if you end up studying their failures also?

>>3991254
If you don't have a natural fascination with the study of art, with understanding something on a fundamental level, breaking it down, then assembling it in your own image, maybe you should just quit? Saying you want to be able to do X, but don't want the process of getting there, is like saying you want to be fit, but don't want to exercise. Or that you want to be a musician, but don't want to learn music theory.

You like the idea of being something, but not actually being that. People who are successful in their field get there because they simply enjoy the process of doing their work. The results they achieve are just a side effect of that. You don't draw to become an artist, you become and artist by drawing. It's an important distinction.

>>3991269
you're right im a lazy ngmi retard, the only reason why I chose to do art in the first place is because I don't want to work a 9-5 job, and fuck school in all it's entirety I hate going to that shit. But I do believe I have the capacity to work at something for 8 hrs a day if I really really want it. But coming back to the point that you mentioned to the other anon, I'd be totally okay with just being a carbon copy of another artist that I really admired. Like fuck inherent style or destiny, just let me draw great like them so I can finally start making a decent living off of art and stop disappointing my parents. I know it sounds stupid, but art is the only thing I have to relate to my lifestyle choices at this moment. I do enjoy the process of drawing a cute anime face for sure, and it makes me feel good yes, but the struggle I know that's going to come after that is just. failure after failure, it starts to take a toll on your self esteem. This is why I was asking if there was some kind of one way route to getting good, and producing consistent good and appealing art, where you can start making a living off of your drawings.

>>3991269
>Yes.
Stop giving advice then.

>What if the way your favorite artist does things isn't the best way to do things?
Nobody has the best way. It doesn't mean that studying target artists will necessarily result in a net decrease in learning speed over learning anime from scratch (which it really fucking won't, have you even seriously considered what you're saying?).

>what if you end up studying their failures also?
Yeah what's really gonna happen? Can you tell me? Is it something that cannot be fixed by combining those artist studies with separate artist studies as well as general fundamental studies such as life, anatomy, light and perspective?

Also I'm asking again since you skipped that part and only talked about artist studies: People said to study anime. Does this make them ngmi retards?

>>3991292
Not him but, anon, I know you don't want to hear this and I know it's fucking hard but... you need to find something more solid to make money. Even if it's not a 9-5 job, you need an activity and you need to regularly earn money.

You'll get better and be happier, I garantee you. Right now you can't even understand the frustration which comes from learning a complete new skill... There's no trick dude, it's all fucking hard work and you can't do this if you're depressed.

Anon do what's needed to get better and the rest will follow. Trust me.

>>3991292
Well, I'd argue that working as an artist, to someone who cares deeply about art, is more soul crushing than working a day job. Having to appease a bunch of philistine retards, and subvert your artistic ideals to survive.
But for someone who doesn't have any ideals about art whatsoever, it's pretty cushy.

But as serious advice, here's the most straightforward, no frills way to get where you want. Come up with an idea for a drawing you'd like to make. Preferably something decently complicated and outside of your comfort zone, like something that involves bodies in your case. Draw it from start to finish. Make a finished piece, taking all of the necessary steps, from a sketch, to lineart, to shading, to color. Don't abandon halfway, no matter how shitty it looks. The goal isn't to make something good, it's to improve by identifying the skills you need to have in the first place. Write down every aspect of the drawing you struggled with. Then look at the works of your favorite artist, and see how they solved a similar problem. Save the drawing, start a new one, a new idea or attempt the previous one again, doesn't matter. But this time, apply the new knowledge you gained. Don't just mindlessly copy or sketch, analyze your own work and see where the fuck ups are, and how you would solve them. Try those solutions on a new piece. etc.

Back in art school, we didn't have an opportunity to abandon a drawing a third of the way and start again. The class was 6 hours, and by the end of it, you had to turn something in, so you finished it. If you keep starting over at the lineart stage, and never get to the coloring stage, how the fuck are you supposed to get good at coloring?

>>3991321
Yes, because anime is shit. My hope is that someone who studies art at a more deep level will eventually realize that anime is shit and pigeonholing yourself to style that stifles expression is retarded. And you shouldn't have a "target artist" you fucking retard, find your own voice

>>3991328
>anime is shit
So stop giving advice about it then, retard. You're just trying to sabotage people who don't do it the way you like it. "ngmi" is a subjective thing and you're actively promoting it in people whose goals don't align with yours, while pretending to help. You should kill yourself, god damn what a fucking idiot.

>>3991346
My goals don't align with someone who wants to eat shit, doesn't mean I shouldn't dissuade them from doing it.

>>3991352
Then just tell them that what they're eating is bad and present arguments for saying that instead of spreading confusion and tricking people.

>>3991346
>>3991352
Holy shit, can we just calm down and get back on point. The point of this whole thread was only to help and encourage, and find the shortest route to getting good like those artists who "made it" without getting seemingly distracted from things like loomis, anatomy and what not. Quite frankly from experience I do feel like these people that draw in an appealing style aren't "masters" at anatomy either. They just somehow know how to draw in an appealing style from I guess mileage? Constant practice i assume. From what I gathered though, I think it's just hard work.. there's nothing more to it.

I guess I made this thread cause I was feeling frustrated and shit about my art like I always do when I'm going through an art block. I guess the key take away here is to try hard and give it your all, you need to actively draw, and find your mistakes, and not be afraid to fail. Flipping the back of the page to see if the drawing is all whack I find helps a lot with this. I'd like to insert the advice of an actual "japanese" guy that frequented some advice thread before, saying copying is good. Used to think copying was bad, and drawing from imagination was where it was always at, but after I read what he wrote It made me think otherwise

>>3991366
Calm down? That cocksucker pretty much admits to malevolent intentions in the context of this thread. He deserves a beating.

If you want to learn anime, perform these 3 steps over and over until satisfied.
1. Personal work (refs allowed, both from life and (anime) artists). Complete paintings with backgrounds, simple pin-ups, doodles, whatever, choose your specialization.
2. Good (anime) artist studies and/or full copies of good paintings. Obviously label it correctly if you're gonna publish
3. Life studies, photo studies, quick pose gesture studies, anatomy diagram studies
Repeat repeat repeat. Getting good takes thousands of hours, have fun and don't ever trust people who tell you not to study the stylization that you want to get good at, they're all trying to fuck you over (or just idiots)

>>3991366
Have you seen most regular ass manga, though? Not top of the world famous manga artists, but exactly the kind of c list stuff a guy who started drawing manga in middle school would end up making.
It kinda looks like shit, desu. Do you really want to autistically

>>3991397
Anime is fucking easy as shit, though, specifically gearing your studies towards copying that gay shit is detrimental. Anyone who has a fundamental understanding of human form can whip up an anime drawing without effort. It also comes with the side benefit of maybe steering the guy into not drawing anime, so a win-win.

lol, I've literally never drawn anime in my life before, and this took me a few moments in mspaint. desu I didn't think it would be this easy
>hurr durr you need study authentic japanese manga folded a million times to understand anime
How is anime style hard lmao, it's literally just a bunch of lines and shit, you don't even have to think about face structure or anatomy, just put the features in roughly the right spot and you're done, lol

I picked up on this shit just by having to deal with you degenerates on /ic/ every day
>literally spending years to figure out how to draw a simple cartoon
lmaoing @ u anime fags

>>3991441
Nice Western cartoon, Anon

>>3991446
No, no, it has the trademark shadow thingy under the nose, and those dimples in the corner of the mouths. as well as the bushy eyelashes.

It's 100% certified anime.

>>3991404
>>3991441
>40 minutes between posts
Makes you think. You also got the shape of the head wrong

>>3991467
>>40 minutes
Still better than spending years on that shit, lol.

And you know what, I accept the challenge. I'm literally going to finish that thing, and I'm gonna get it right. I'm gonna make it like one of those japanese animes.

Then I'm going to print it out, and piss on it.

>>3991441
>calling western cartoon anime
try harder anon

>>3991441
>>3991472
Not sure what those quotes are but nobody said you must copy "authentic" anime to understand anime, that anime style is hard, or that it takes years to figure out. Anybody who knows basic imagination drawing can draw an anime head, and the fact that you can produce a mediocre drawing doesn't make your opinion, that people looking to understand anime shouldn't study anime, much more valid.

i remember copying the feet gonna do more again

>>3991476
Dang, and there I thought I was some kind of savant or some shit.

So I guess OP must be legit retarded, since he can't figure out something so easy. Or maybe everyone who draws anime is retarded, since shit like pic related by actual japanese illustrators somehow goes to print.

A lot of good all that copying did him, can't even figure out where on the face the eye should be. Or maybe that's what makes it real(tm) anime, just copy pasting features with no understanding of the actual forms.

Been using this to practice loomis method

http://referenceangle.com/

>>3991441
>skipping ear day
Well on your way to become an anime master, anon.

2019 years since the sacrifice of our Lord and Saviour and there are still retards that don't' realize the difficulty of anime comes from making it look authentically eastern.
>its just bug eyes and a dot pasted onto a shovel face
Yeah sure then you end up with garbage like this >>3991441 and every other shitty western clone artist on Twatter

>>3991496
The way to make it authentically eastern is to figure out the cheapest and fastest way to draw it often shamelessly copy pasting features on a blank 3/4 head. The whole reason anime looks the way it does is because of tight deadlines and cheap budgets.

Of course it's hard to make it "authentic", it's like learning how to walk on crutches despite being healthy your whole life, because if you don't use crutches like the real japanese, you're not authentic.

>>3991506
All I'm getting out of this is that you suck so bad it takes you 40 minutes to shit out a crude sketch that can't even pass as a shitty, low skill, /beg/-tier hack job.

>>3991517
Yeah, you're right, I should've been born japanese, then I'd be able to make high quality authentic anime art.
Like the abomination on the right, for example. I bet the real authentic japanese artist spent more than 40 minutes on that, lol!

>>3991537
>desu I didn't think it would be this easy
Damn, you can't even copy "abominations" correctly then. Sad. Maybe you should study anime more before giving your opinion on something you can't even replicate.

>>3991538
You wanna bet I can master anime quicker than you?
Loser will have to kill themselves.

well obviously you can't use loomis proportions to make an anime head but if you figure out what those proportions are, you can use loomis' method so that you can draw a head from any angle. I don't know what those proportions are, but im sure that information is out there somewhere. you feel me dawg?

>>3991542
>wasting time drawing what you don't want to because some anon on 4chan called you out on your inability to draw something as >>>simple as anime
You're already the loser who should kill himself desu

>>3991441
Here you go Anon

>>3991542
I love anime but I'm rooting for you, normie anon. Show these niggas.

>>3990471
>Drawing the Head and Figure by Jack Hamm
does this book really work. i have it but have been reading loomis. right now i jumped to Michael hampton and am studying his book.

>>3990073
question for people in this thread but what do you think of Michael hampton and will reading him help me learn to draw bodys. If i take everything i read in his book will i learn to make a face,body ect ect

>>3991548
>I only draw what I want to
NGMI. Is that why you can't draw a hand in perspective?

Sometimes you just have to do what has to be done. By the end of it, I will have good fundamentals, decent trad skills, AND the ability to draw anime better than you, while you will only be able to draw bad anime.

You will cry yourself to sleep, thinking that if only you'd been smart like me and didn't copy anime, you would be where I am right now, a master in multiple fields, a true renaissance man, instead of a faggot.

>>3991552
Nice western cartoon, dude.

>>3991546
you are really retarded men, so sad

>>3991552
Do you have a thing for The Incredibles?

>>3991555
>NGMI. Is that why you can't draw a hand in perspective?
>You will cry yourself to sleep, thinking that if only you'd been smart like me and didn't copy anime,
Congratulations, you're arguing with some constructed image of who you think I am rather than my posts
>a true renaissance man, instead of a faggot.
No, you're definitely a faggot.

>>3991553
Thanks dude, I am actually serious with this shit.
A man has to stand by his word. A man has to lead by example. I will prove once and for all that trad skills > copying anime, even for drawing anime, since it gives you a fundamental set of skills that lets you branch out into other styles.
Also, I really do have a very limited exposure to anime other than watching grenadier as a horny 12 year old. But I regularly beat my meat to h-manga, that's not cheating, right? Not to the anime tits, mind you. It's just that Inoue Kiyoshirou's anatomy skills really get me in the mood.

>>3991559
Expect to hear from me in the future.

>>3991485
>he can't figure out something so easy
You couldn't figure it out either.

After this discussion you're going to run off and do, guess what, study anime, because you didn't know the symbols. It was needed after all. Anybody who wants to learn one form of stylization to a convincing degree must study it. Strong fundamentals make it much easier to capture new styles, but that's not the issue in this discussion. You called people ngmi retards for recommending anime study to somebody who wants to learn anime, and that makes you the retard. It doesn't matter if you come back later knowing real-looking anime because you're now in a situation where you will have to compare yourself to a target artist. Irony.

>>3991569
>target artist
lol. I don't even know any anime artists
You wanna bet I will come up with my own unique anime style that is original, but is also undeniably authentic(tm)?
Loser has to kill himself.

>recommending people start straight away with copying stylization instead of working on fundamentals
I might be rude calling people ngmi retards, but you are literally TURNING people into ngmi retards. You should be ashamed of yourself. Also you can't change my mind, I will become an anime master.

>>3991591
Post your non-anime work

>>3991594
Can I do it later? I'm at my grandma's right now. Her computer only has windows 98 and mspaint.

Just draw

>>3991727
>Just draw

Imagine feeling useful for saying meaningless shit.

>>3991591
>You wanna bet
No need to bet, you should kill yourself regardless.

>>recommending people start straight away with copying stylization instead of working on fundamentals
No I didn't. Stop backpedaling.

>You should be ashamed of yourself
You should be killing yourself.

using hitokaku doesn't feel right, gonna go back to loomis

>>3991739

>>3991768
what feels wrong about it?

>>3991768
NGMI

>>3991778
Why is he NGMI when loomis is better.

>>3991773
Not him but hitokaku feels too stylized. Whereas loomis focuses more on realistic proportions.

>>3991784

PYW

>>3991784
>>3991784
Explain how loomis is better.

>>3991795
Nigga, post YOUR work.

Loomis is a meme.

You better post your work.

>>3991766
No, you were backpedaling

>>3991565
I believe in you, loomis is always good to start.

>>3991810
You first.

>>3991795
What does that have to do with anything?

>>3991817
>n-no u
Go on, quote the part where I said that people should copy stylization instead of practice fundamentals.
You said people are retard ngmis for studying anime and anime artists. When pressed, you started trying to derail the discussion by posting bad drawings and about how you dislike anime, and now that I'm pointing out irony you begin attacking a strawman. You should probably just tell everyone you're sorry and stop posting

>>3991846
I can tell this is a girl.

>>3990073
But seriously now, fuck anime.

>>3991848
Why fuck it?

>>3991847
I can tell this is an anime master.

>>3991441
And yet western anime exist and is the bane of existence no matter how hard people try. Mindlessly grinding fundamentals and jerking yourself off that you must do art only through the "proper way" is how you end up like Sycra. Souless and rigid art, jerking yourself about how your got better fundamentals. Salty people don't appreciate his art and how real artist get him. Salty about people drawing animu cause it got appeal which you lost along the way. The moment you have to justify your work by saying you're not good enough of an artist to understand and appreciate your work you're literally tumbler tier like how they justify their disgusting sjw art because they're not woke enough. Fundamental are important nobody is arguing that but to say that you only need fundamentals to master a style cause you can just tweak it a bit to fit is beyond retarded, and how you get the cancer that is western anime.

>>3991880
I think you have a misunderstanding of what fundamentals are.
There's no fundamental "style". Fundamentals are a set of abstract visual ideas and principles, like the proportions of a human body, the interaction of light and shadow, composition, etc.
"style" is the aesthetic choice by which you apply this fundamental understanding of visual reality.
That's the point of fundamentals, it's in the name, it's that you can apply them to anything. That's why copying is bad, and thinking in terms of "style" in general is bad. You'll just end up copying the resulting visual short-hands and symbols without understanding what they represent.
If you understand how shapes, form, line, etc. work, you should be able to transition to any style, instead of being boxed in with a particular set of symbols in your visual library.

If some NGMI retard confuses fundamentals with style and adopts someone's style thinking that constitutes "fundamentals", that's his own personal problem. If you can't transition from any style to any other, you don't really know fundamentals, just another set of symbols.

>>3991970
>If you can't transition from any style to any other, you don't really know fundamentals

Do you honesty believe if you gave somebody like Proko OP's image and told him to draw something new but in this style, but without time to studying anime, he'll be able to draw anything remotely anime and not just an amalgamated mess?

>>3992022
ofcourse he will copy it exactly did you see villpu drawing disney ?

>>3992022
Tbh I don't think proko is a good exmple of knowing fundamentals of illustration.
He's an academic draftsman, a human photocopier. His knowledge of construction and anatomy only serves the purpose of aiding in translating what he sees onto paper. He has a very narrow and specific skill set.

But someone who can come up with his own designs, and understands visual composition, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to simply break down anime style to its base components, and mimic it effectively. Like any other style in the world, anime is a bunch of visual shorthands to imply detail without having to construct it out from scratch. Someone who is effective at translating physical forms into symbols, should be able to operate with any set of symbols, anime or not.

Now that I think of it, the description of someone who can construct a scene from imagination and simplify forms into symbols is pretty much an animator. So here's a hot take: if you want to understand anime style, you must understand animation. Everything about the anime style is made to fit the animator's workflow.

>>3992036
>if you want to understand anime style, you must understand animation. Everything about the anime style is made to fit the animator's workflow.

When the anime craze happened in the 90s-00s all those western cartoon studios sure transitioned flawlessly. Its only a set of symbols and exaggerations and they got all of that; perfectly emulated the style. Can't even tell it was made in the west. I wonder why it fell out of favor.

>>3992112
Incidentally, an annoying anon was arguing those didn't look anime... for reasons. He is retarded.

>>3991441
I legit thought that this terrible post was a falseflag to ruin the other anti-anime guy narrative
But reading the rest of the thread it was actually him kek
What a delusional tool. Ngmi

>>3992131
anon.
If you're point was without studying anime anybody can transition to draw god awful DA tier anime art-style I think everybody here agrees with you.

>>3992174
Dude Winx club and witch are professional cartoons. You can't say those are DA tier.

>>3991441
This guy has to be bait right?

>>3992131
Anon, you must recalibrate your irony detector.

Stop making fun of me, just because I can't draw anime very well, or can't draw very well in general, doesn't mean I can't give good advice to other artists.

>>3992277
this sums up ic

>>3992036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKDO_21gpJM

lol

>>3992112
damnnn the one in the middle reminds me of my childhood can you tell me the name of it again was it martian something?

>>3992687
martin mystery

>>3991542
>>3991565
So when is OP going to kill him self?

>>3991241
Stop projecting, faggot. Everyone learns at their own pace and every artist has started exploring art by copying other people's styles first. Your logic is basically saying that anyone that starts out as a beginner is NGMI and anyone that's an expert is GMI. People are naturally interested in different things and they will always copy styles the first time they are interested in something. Only the artist themselves can decide when they will start to branch out and create their own styles and study other topics, not you. And only the artist themselves will decide which topics will be useful to them, not you.

>>3992714
That's not Martin Mystery retard

>>3992687
Isn't that Team Galaxy?

>>3991441
Yes, drawing anime isn't hard because it's animation you fucking retard. Every episode requires thousands of frames so they aren't going to make it extremely detailed which requires more detailed facial structure and anatomy.

If you want to draw good "anime" then draw a 2 second - 24 frame cut. Or better yet, create a 20 page one-shot comic that requires you to actually tell a decent story.

>>3991241
this

although a good way to find your unique style is to emulate some elements of artists you admire, simply copying their fully-realized works will get you nowhere, as you haven't grasped the understanding of form, light, movement, etc.

in my opinion this separates hobbyists from artists--artists delve into a much deeper analysis of imagery and illustration, whereas hobbyists want to create a pretty picture.

god damn I forgot that threads stay up for weeks on /ic/ and you can't just shitpost relentlessly and then forgot anything happened the next day

I'm sorry, everyone

>>3993273
why are you sorry
some of the input in this thread is legitimately impressive and productive

there are people who actually think like supposed OP shitpost, and hopefully they read this thread and learn something.

>>3993273
You should link the shitposts you made so we know which ones you're apologizing for

>>3992676
>/Thread

>>3992676
BTFO

>>3993275
I'm the "don't copy anime" shitposter, and "I'm going to become an anime master" shitposter.

>>3993300
Wait what? I thought they were two completely separate people. I mean the don't copy anime anon had some legit points but the anime master anon was obviously shitposting.

>>3993321
I made all of the points I wanted to make, but the discussion was still happening, so I decided to just start shitposting to keep the thread going.
I was also extremely sleep deprived.

>>3993329

You learn to draw bodies off loomis/vilppu and draw anime heads on top by copying/stylising. How is this even a question?

>>3992676
/beg/ here, tried to fix it, even I can do it better, lmao.

>>3993455
anon...

>>3993466
?

>>3993481
I just wanted to say good job.

>>3990129
I'm going through the same process right now. I've been studying my fundies and have been trying to make work that can get me a job, but now I want to make internet bucks so I'm slowly getting convinced that I need to adopt a manga style or something near it. I still want to practice realistic painting so I don't lose that skill. What I'm doing right now is analyzing various manga artists and asking "Why does this work?" "Why is it cute?" "How do they make the lines and the coloring?" and so on.

You gotta separate fundies from style. You can study both of them at the same time and one helps the other.

>>3993494
Thanks!

>>3990105
>That's like asking "if I learn all the guitar chords, will that make me a guitar solo master?" - it's two different things, two different mindsets, with a common context.

Oh you dum-dum. You should learn chords, even if you want to become a lead guitarist because learning chords teaches you the fundamentals, and fundamentals don't change.

>>3993455
Lmfao this is shit and you're too stupid to realize the other anon is making fun of you

>>3993535
I know it's far from good, but it's not as shitty as the one from the original video.

I tried to fix it with a little edit, if I wanted it to do much better, I'd redraw this trainwreck from scratch.

>>3991554
Hampton will just get you started (just as any book), so you'll have to study a lot by yourself after it.
Sorry, but there's no easy way out.

>>3993544
You're a fuckin idiot, mate.

>>3995039
Have sex.

>>3990107
Here are some better links if you reached your mega limit
http://www.mediafire.com/file/g53b0lezu02i4ik
http://www.mediafire.com/file/926fv82hbvw660m
http://www.mediafire.com/file/m8mbh2m15qcl8cm

>>3991254
The thing about anime or any other style is that they’re generally based in reality to some extent. Look at the picture you posted for example - the girl’s cheek rounds out the way it does because of her cheekbone, the white spots on her eyes are due to light reflecting off the iris, that line directly above her eye is an eyelid crease, and her hair clumps kinda like the way hair does irl. There are things all throughout the picture that are simplifications or stylizations of reality. You don’t need to learn anatomy to draw a face like that, but understanding facial anatomy allows you to move beyond just copying an artist and drawing your own anime waifus. It’s still fine to copy and analyze artists you enjoy, in fact you probably should, but it’ll help you greatly to understand the reality that their stylized faces are based in.

>>3995165
This nigga knows.

>>3993237
Quite the suckerpunch of nostalgia in this thread. Martin Mystery was the shit. I miss my childhood.