/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3974773
Ok, that op is not /beg/ lol.

I made this drawing. I think it's pretty good, but it seems kinda off. Any tips?

>>3974782

Not by a long shot jeez

Drew this from imagination, I know I fucked the eyes up. What can I do to improve?

Reposting from the other thread:
>>3973364
>>3973368
Thanks for the redline, pretty helpful. It seems I gotta work on my perspective and my hands and feet.

Would you recommend I go through with rendering this in SAI, despite its flaws?

Preparing for an uni entrance exam, any critiques?

Could I get someone to give me a general critique of this piece? Also, what's the best way/exercise for studying values.

>>3974903
Work on your perspective?

Did a session of 50-ish sheets to practise drawing from the shoulder. Ellipsis quality only seems to have improved very slightly but I did notice I became more skilled in placing them tightly spaced.

Baby steps, I suppose.

>>3974917
>>3974903
>>3974773
Hoooolyyy shiiiit these are awesome

>>3974800
pretty good but you need to work your hair and the eyes could pass as style

Did this sketch and saw that something is wrong, but can't understand what?
So what can I do ti improve it?

>>3975036
>>3975036
The girl he gives a flower to looks like a guy.

Some important parts are under rendered. the horses manes have a off-putting color.

>>3974773

Been practicing for years and took a bunch of art classes and I still can't draw what I see or 'get' composition. Is it a practice problem or do I just lack depth perception or something?

>>3975060
pyw

>>3975048
Oh, thanks, I will try to fix color and render, but the person on the right is guy too.

Tried to draw the same head multiple times from different angles. Key word - tried.

>>3975160
I like them.

Question, what do you think of this painting here without keys meme as an explanation?

Posted this in tower girls thread but critique is more active here. Things I recognize after finishing it are the long right arm and there's something wrong with the legs but I can't see what exactly.

>>3975232
Learn how to lay down clean, flat areas of tone with a pencil. Just draw some squares and practice shading them with different values as smoothly and perfectly as possible. It looks like you made some attempt to have shadows on the clothing, but it's hard to tell because your tone is so messy.
Smoother rendering would give you an instant power up.

>>3975160
looks nice, you should also try different neck angles and add shoulder line since they are part of expression too

>>3975036
leave beg, jaw to eye ratios.
>>3975160
leave beg
>>3975232
use form retard.

not really sure what i'm doing or what kind if style i want, or how to make things more appealing
i haven't even started working with color and it still slips from my mind what i have to pay attention to (halftones, how soft a terminator should be, how much the ambient light should illuminate the darker areas, etc)
rendering is probably the final frontier i think, it seems like i'll never understand it. seeing other peoples drawings where they have tones in the skin and stuff blended perfectly together amazes me

I would lube to offer this sketch up as a challenge. Johnny 5 is really good subject matter for anyone wanting to grind fundies and perspective. He's nothing but cubes and cylinders. But as you can tell by my drawing here, when it's not perfect you can rrally tell. You can hide it in something organic like a person but with machinery, it stands out right away.

My takeaway is you should draw big. If you try to put in all these ellipses on a tiny picture it will get very messy and not work out for you. Get a ruler, so it the right way. Take your time.

>>3975313
Lube... Fuck auto correct. I meant like...

ok guys youre too good if this is /beg/ then im never going to make it

Few things I know, the guy throwing the punch doesn't look like he's throwing it and I just placed his pieces there. To fix this and the problems on the guy recieving I know I need to construct better to fit the 3d space better ,which is why it looks flat also, and his arm is actually supposed to be throwing a hook, I made it into a weird cross hook hybrid which wouldn't work. The perspective on that arm and the other guy's left forarm was tricky I definitelt need to read more about the body in perspective. I also think I got a little carried away on the rendering.

>>3975316
read loomis faggit

>>3975314
It fits with your post

>>3975321
i read all his books and cant draw for shit
i just dont have the talent gene

>>3975036
cute good omens art <3

>>3975321
I thought people were supposed to read Hampton instead of Loomis?

>>3975328
Bruh I was born with literally 0 talent for drawing, drew nothing but stick figures until age 18, but after a lot of grinding I have seen noticeable improvement and can sometimes draw things that look ok. And I know I'll keep improving. If I can improve, anyone can.

>>3975337
delusional
pyw

First attempt at doing anything digital. Can't figure out how to make the legs look right because I'm a brainlet.

>>3975334
>hampton
>Loomis
Hahaha fools, Hogarth will turn you into a chad. Of course after you read Hampton or Loomis first.

>>3975339
looks more like "first attempt at doing anything period" lol

>>3975343
Pretty much, honestly.

Can anyone explain what FORCE actually is? The books seem nice and the artist clearly can construct well but I can't get the concept.

>>3975160
if it had lighting would be better

what 2 improve on

>>3975351

landmarks and stuff look okay but it looks like you need more practice with line of action and gesture next before more hardcore musculature nerdery

>>3975338
I'm not saying I'm good or anything, I'm still very /beg/, I'm just saying that I never thought I'd even get this far because I literally started at absolute zero. And I don't see why I can't continue to keep improving.

>>3975364
Nice dude keep it up

it was looking okay until i flipped it

>>3975410
Which one was the original? I'm just kidding anon

>>3975410
Just say it's a still of the moment he gets clocked in the jaw by a baseball.
Seriously though, that is super salvageable if you take time to even out the two sides of his jawline and move his facial features so that they actually are lined up properly along the x axis.

Is this a good reference?

>>3974773
WHAT PART OF THIS IS /BEG/
You're giving me anxiety OP. I'd assume the guy who did this graduated, it's too clean and correct. I'm like a year away from drawing like that, please no

>>3975554
blurry, unflattering, face covered, shit lighting. drawing of a woman where you hide her ass hips waist and breasts. one arm hidden.

it would be hard to find a worse reference.

>>3975561
It's time for me to go back to the old me

I cannot for the life of me figure out drawing with FORM in mind, any exercises to help with it?
Drawing ice cubes, onions with contour lines, fucking everything but I still can't draw primitives that look like they belong in 3d space, help bros I'm starting to panic

>>3974792
It’s cute, but It looks pretty unintentionally wonky.
Maybe think of the shape of the whole head, instead of just the jaw, this will help the face and hair look better
The eyes look cross eyed instead of forward, and the nose kinda looks like a Mii character nose instead of an anime chibi nose
It appears that you don’t understand how hair, or anime hair works. It looks messy. Add less scruffs, look at anime characters for reference
I think the body is pretty good for chibi

>start drawing
>really want a specific pose for the hands
>"lol it's so basic its gonna be ez"
>get at that point
>nope its not ez at all
>a billion references for hands on the internet but can't find that exact pose
every tiem

>>3975602
Take a picture of your own hand doing the pose?

>>3975602
oopsie whoopsie this is not the /vent/ thread sowwy

>>3975578
is this your work?

>>3975607
Unfortunately. It was a hasty sketch and I erased a good deal because of the aforementioned problem with form.

Why can't the Loomis head method be done with a cube instead of sphere?? A sphere should be fit inside a cube and it is much easier to plot the likes around. When I try using a sphere it come out all weird and very different from the ''fullness'' that Loomis achives, when I try with a cube I get other problems. I just can't understand things, dear god, why!

>>3975610
Try perspective grids and making the body out of primitive shapes before adding details. Everything can on the body pretty much be reduced to cylinders, boxes, and spheres

>>3975554
no but it is hot as fuck

>>3975614
bridgman does that

any advice for making her feet look more firmly planted on the ground?

>>3975614
>draw circle
>draw axis lines
>draw two ellipses inside sphere on axis lines
>make sure ONLY ONE SIDE of of the ellipse is darkened
depending on the size of the ellipse and the side that you darken you'll get spheres that "face" in different directions.

>>3975619
That's the problem. When I try to construct out of "cylinders, boxes, and spheres" they end up looking like 2-dimensional cutouts anyway, instead of something like pic-related (not my work)

>>3975644
Well then, just draw more anon :^)
But actually though, doing basic still lifes with primitives might help. something like a sphere sitting on top of a box

>>3975559
That was my image, I posted it last thread to make a point to another artist. it was definitely NOT meant to represent this general. I guess the OP thought that just because it was posted in this general it's considered /beg/ work.

Trying to deconstruct the lower hand into simple forms. I’m I finally able to FEEL the form.

>>3975660
>He doesn't just use a reference for hands every time
wtf

Forgot to post these yesterday.

>>3975678

>>3975678
>>3975679
Wow those look pretty good how did you study gesture?

Been a while since I posted but I finally managed to find time and my motivation. Pumped this out tonight, can't say I'm dissatisfied.

Since yesterday I’ve been making myself at the very least draw something every day.
Maybe someday I’ll work my way up to drawing on something other than on the pages of a composition notebook or use half-decent coloring utensils. Probably should have left them un-colored, they looked better that way.

Unlike others, the loomis heads I've bern drawing look like shit, why is it? Why is this?

>>3975712
Whenever I try to build my own, shit and more shit, failure.

>>3975712
Draw bigger you dolt.

>>3975655
I'll retry those things again with more vigor, then. Thanks for the advice.

>>3975717
I've drawn bigger, still looks like shit

>>3975725
Keep drawing bigger.

>>3975728
Not going to post it because no satisfactory results were achieved, so I drew bigger and I still failed

>>3975659
Thank God, now I'll draw something

>>3975740
Boo hoo. Draw bigger from now on.

Any recomendation?

>>3975677
Wait is that a bad thing? I'm trying to construct every part of the body and somplyfie it so I can be consistent with my forms. And I meant arms not hands.

>>3975778
Nah what you're doing is fine, ignore me.

>>3975597
Thanks! I'm glad someone replied. I'm still learning and this really helps. Thanks

onward to gestures

>>3975770
Draw big boob

my big bro gave me his wacom 22hd
should i use it or start off with pencil and paper?

>>3975884
Pencil and paper.

>>3975364
Rotate your pictures.

>>3975921
Pretty cool and redpilled.

enviroment edition
not a single enviroment

>>3975941
Environments aren't really beg tier things I'd imagine. You need a lot of fundamentals to pull that off successfully.

>>3975944
Nah, envirinments are easier than the heads/figures everyone here focuses on, because people are so unforgiving of mistakes in human anatomy. If you make a mistake on a tree branch, you can just say that the tree grew rhat way. If you make a mistake on a person's eye and put it in the wrong place, the whole thing looks retarded.

>>3975921
Dumb message, cute pic.

When I try to draw something- my cat for instance -do I just look at the cat and say "I will now draw the curve of his back" and just try it? It always seems like I'm just doing it wrong and the line comes out as some rough approximation of what I wanted. And yeah, I can do it over and over again until I get it right, but then I'm basically getting it right on accident. How is it that I get the pencil to make the line that I want?

>>3976008
No that's copying. You should understand the shapes and then draw those shapes with your knowledge of perspective and form.

When you copy there are a lot of tiny details that you won't notice and undestand the importance off.

So try to first understand the shape in 3d space and learn to draw it accurately.

>>3976010
>>3976008

Try drawabox, it's actually a pretty good way to grasp those concepts.

https://drawabox.com/

>>3976010
Solid input. Thank you.

>>3976011
Some of you guys are alright! Don't come to /beg/ tomorrow...

>>3975949
not that guy, but idk man, to me this looks harder than drawing a human

fukin hell maybe I should be in /beg/

>>3975770
The way the arm connects to the chest is obviously wrong.

>>3975770
Dick buldge? Seriously?

Construct anon here again, I swear I’ll try to finish these eventually.

Are the eyes too close to each kther on this one? The perspectives that lie between 3/4 and side view are really hard for me to pull off.

>>3976048

>>3975339
Is it a male or female?

>>3976048
That's actually not too bad, I think you are improving. You're still drawing very stiff and flat though. I think you would benefit from just doing gesture drawings for a while.

>>3975624
I find it can help to draw the footprints in perspective first, and use that as a basis to place the feet.

Doodles in work, thoughts?

This is like... The ultimate beg move. I sketched this whole on the phone with a customer with no reference obviously. Made me realize I really don't know how arms connect to the torso nor how legs connect to the hips. Took a few guesses. Also forearms? Never really thought about it but they are not just cylinders. Drawing without ref is not easy. It's no kangaroo fetus but it's quite sloppy.

>>3976074
Thanks anon

>>3976078
It's not bad but for my taste the girl on the left has extra thicc lower legs and the one on the right has arms that are too long or something is off about her elbow.

>>3974800
>>3974971
Did this one, I know hair is something that I'm not good at but the faces I draw seem kinda off to me and I can't point out why.

>>3975696
Thanks! I'm mainly just doing what glenn villpu does in his gesture drawing demos. You should check him out.

Also, here are some loomis heads. Jesus, do I fuckin suck at em.

>>3976074
question for that perspective grid, is that something you drew yourself by setting up the two vanishing points, or did you use a tool to make it?
I've never actually tried to use perspective in figure drawing before

>>3976048
Nigga add gesture and more curved lines to the construction , and change the fucking expression a little bit , it looks like a doll

>>3975160
L o n g f a c e

>>3976048
Try to use basic geomrtical figures to construct your characters. Go read about that in loomis and Hamton's books. I don't draw anime so i drew a standart face. Hope this will help you.

>>3976048

>>3976199
I drew it using Clip Studio Paint's perspective ruler. It doesn't need to be super accurate, it just helps to visualise the plane of the floor.

Did I fuck up on my approach here? was trying to do some construction, but I'm not sure how it turned out.
Am I focusing too much on the silhouette on the left?

>>3976048
Hey Anon, you've got drive I'll give you that I've seen you posting in every /beg/ thread for a couple month's but you gotta branch out dude. Just doing the same construction, same thing over and over is never going to get you anywhere. You need to sit down and do some serious life drawing studies so that you can really understand the forms your building and exactly what your exageratting when you make these stylized characters. You already have strong construction skills just apply them elsewhere and build up a stronger visual library.

Good luck bruv 1luv 420

>>3976278
More real life studies it seems. Don't do these a lot because drawing my own characters is a lot more fun. I managed to improve just fine up until now just drawing them but this is like the 5th time people keep telling me that I'm stagnating so it's gotta be done I guess. Thanks for the advice anon.

>>3976283
Damn straight bro, I know they arent fun but that's what it takes just keep your eye on the prize and bite the bullet; it seems dry and daunting but once you start and you begin to feel the challange of drawing things exactly as they are I guarantee you'll end up enjoying it or at least feeling satisfied with your hard work just power through the frustration.

How can I really tell the difference between copying and actually understanding shapes?

>>3976331

Once you understand shapes everything becomes miraculously easier and you get way better for no reason.

This is my second piece of art, I just watched ruans color blending video and made some changes to the hair, just trying to practice my color and shading. If anyone has any tips id appreciate it. Wondering if I should make an instagram/or twitter to document my progress if I'm just starting or if I should get much better before going further.

how do i draw faces looking down at extreme angles without making them look angry or like theyre frowning?

>>3975339
Right leg looks stumpy and deformed, study the perspective of this kind of pose from life. For the face, study loomis. It looks like she has a receded chin

>>3975603
>take my own reference pictures
>cringe at how fucking stupid I look whilst doing it and whilst looking at the references as I'm drawing
>delete all the pics and go back to looking online for references

>>3976343
Actually pretty appealing to look at despite the obvious lack of anatomic fundamentals. Also, I have no idea what the perspective is here- are we looking down at her as she looks back up at us? Try using a horizon line

>>3976333
How do I learn shapes though?

>>3976331
Villpu will stop appearing in your nightmares

if you get a half chub when drawing does that mean you're doing well?

any good tutorial to teach me how not to chicken scratch while doing digital ?
I can do lineart on paper but once I draw on my tablet my brain just stop

>>3976426
just draw lines?
superimposed, parallel, circles, ellipses, connect random dots with curves, anything goes

>>3976426
Ctrl+Paint has some videos on digital linework. You'd probably be better off looking up videos of people doing digital inking specifically rather than digital sketching, since the former is more commonly done and also requires great precision and control.
Many pro artists sketch with pencil and then scan in the drawing and switch to digital for inking and coloring. It's pretty much just always going to feel better to draw on paper, even with a top of the line tablet. If you like sketching on paper better then just keep doing that.

>>3976052
Was going for more of a slender female, but even I noticed it looked boyish. I'm still really new to drawing in general though, just wanted to post something here for people to shit on.

>>3976361
Yeah, I kind of "winged" the leg. I wanted to try something with the leg up and it ended up looking like a stump instead of a leg being lifted in perspective. I also noticed that with the face but I spent too much time trying to make the leg look correct with no success that I put the face off.
Thanks for pointing stuff out instead of just saying "It looks like shit.

>>3976426
>>3975921

I'm reading Hampton's book ans trying to do gesture but nothing I make is coming out right I don't know what I'm doing wrong exactly I feel so goddamn stupid. I start with the head and then mark the spine but it still doesn't look right. I try using curved lines to show the perspective and add the rib cage and pelvis too but it just doesn't work. I don't know what's wrong with me.

>>3975921
>/beg/ giving advices
don't study things individually, use them in your drawings and make them work together, shit like perspective and composition cannot exist in a vacuum

>>3976530
like this?

>>3976542
Yeah I guess that's how it's supposed to look but mine are always shitty and I draw too large and I always make the legs too fat and I don't understand how to make the rib cage and pelvis more defined and I get too caught up in the actual person rather than the form and I can't feel it and I want to kill myself.

Would you fuck it?

Could someone give me advice on how to place her left hand? Also any critique on the lineart in general would be great :D

>>3976584
sorry I do not like orcs

>>3976584
The rendering on the hair, stomach and cloak are really nice but all of your layers are really clear, nothing really looks cohesive (almost like you've cut up pictures and glued them together) Also the face is at a slant so it just looks like the right side of her face is tilting inward. also darken the values just bellow the neck because her head is melting into her neck.

Your use of purple tones in the hair was a great addition and I think you should take a closer look at the colours on the cloak in your reference (it would add more visual depth to the piece)

How the fuck do I deal with aphantasia? How the fuck am I supposed to draw if I have little to no ability to mentally visualize things?

>>3976606
>aphantasia
Bro, I think you are clinically not gonna make it.

>>3976613
There HAS to be a fucking solution anon.

>>3976623
>>3976606
We are not psychiatrists Anon so we can't tell you how. But I can tell you that posting angry reaction images probably won't help.

>>3976623
Suck lots of dicks. Guaranteed to work.

>>3976631
Psychiatrists don't understand it either, hell neurologists are only now starting to study it. At least, it would be the kind of subject that /ic/ should tackle, mental images, the "mind eye" and how it influences your work.
>>3976632
Anon one of the reasons why I'm learning how to draw is so I can deal with nobf feels.

>>3976632
It worked for him, you should try it.

>>3976638
dude you'd be great a realism honestly, you have no preconceived idea of how something would look. Do some still life drawings im sure you'll be able to do it well :D

>>3976606
>And, like others with aphantasia, he struggles to recognise faces
So, if I'm pretty good with face recognition, does it mean I don't have Aphantasia?

>>3976606
Copy a lot of drawings (as in, an actual lot, 1000+) and draw them again from memory, so that you build up a database of memorized illustrations. Whenever you need to draw something completely original in the future, simply pull out parts of those memorized poses and go wild.

>>3976649
I recognize feces by the smell alone.

>>3976644
>dude you'd be great a realism honestly, you have no preconceived idea of how something would look
Actually, now that you say that, it is true, I can redraw a drawing very well, but I feel the NEED to bring forth things that are not, copying reality is the job of machines imo.
>>3976649
That depends, if you can recognize very well many faces you saw before, but if you can't mentally visualize the face of someone that you have already seen, then you still have it. Also it's not a binary thing, there's different degrees of it.
>>3976650
Maybe that can work, although, I'm hoping that there will be some sort of mental exercise that will help me learn how to mentally visualize things. The brain is like one very versatile muscle, some people are born with a talent for a certain task, but often that doesn't mean you can't learn it. Hell I'd be willing to take something if I knew it'd work.

>>3976662
Ask your doctor for Cereberal Onistasis Plurality Ensectomy

When I get to draw animu

Please tell me how much I fucked up. Redline if possible, first time trying this kind of perspective, there's something off bout the legs, I guess.
I tried to improve the character design of my previous drawing.

>>3976585
Bump :)

>>3976690
You can draw "anime" whenever you want bud
Nothings stopping you

>>3976706
and here's what I drew previously when I tried to emulat shoujo manga or whatever.
>>3976585
This is quite cool. Just do the same pose IRL and see how your hand is placed. You can also draw a pocket in her skirt, but I don't think its what you want.

Trying to redeem my previous disgraceful iteration of her. Feel free to shit on it.

been trying to learn bodys and muscle from loomis book. how am i doing with body?

>>3976690
looks dope. shade it.

>>3976706
>>3976720
I think the perspective is steeper if I ,look at the stones on the floor. I tried to adjust it and also adjust the feet to match the floor's lines. It might match the perspective better.

Trying a Kyo Kusanagi from imagination
How the fuck do into lineart, and how the fuck do I into color reeeee

>>3976762
Thank you! It's my first time ever trying to draw something in perspective so I screwed up badly.

No one ever gives advice to actual beginners but only high beginners who have mastered the fundamentals through sheer talent.
This thread is shit.

>>3976706

>>3976779
it is not that bad at all, you draw really cute ones. Also I messed up too because I didn't see that she had hooves I thought she had high heel shoes.

>>3976606
Fuck anon. I don't know if that's possible.

>>3976787
>>3976787
>>3976787
whatchu nee

Can someone give me some feedback on my drawing? I made it for the tower girl's thread. I think maybe her breasts aren't big enough and her behind looks kinda off

Holy shit, no post to work since I just got it, but I just got a tablet and it's so good I will draw my Lolitas faster than ever with this, it's tons of times better than a mouse and my skills are translated 1:1... Which is both good and a dissappointment, it's not making me actually better but I will draw faster and no worse than on paper since I can erase and fix easier this is so much fun

>>3976811
Her upper/lower body seem disjointed. The proportion of the torso/legs don't match the head and arms.

>>3976762
Thanks! Shifting the legs made it look a lot better. People told me to get out of /beg/, but mistakes like this are the reason why I'm still here.

whoops, >>3976845 was meant to >>3976794

>>3976845
I don't know who these people are but you're certainly not getting out of /beg/ anytime soon.

>>3976857
I'm cool with it. I'm just somewhat average at stilization, I complete suck at constructing and everything else.

just fuck my shit up bros
tried drawing from imagination for fun and using some new markers; I should probably stick to drawing from reference, and probably finish Drawabox too

I'm not so much into realism and such, just getting the idea and theme down with some cool color but still these just aren't cutting it

>>3976877
I kinda like it. Keep it up.

>>3976877
and a wizard type thing that I hate pretty bad, might as well use watercolor at this point
least I got dubs

>>3976880
this skull hermit thing was from reference, and also what I like the most of all these so I guess that's my answer

>>3976879
thanks lald

>>3976883
wizard type thing that I hate pretty bad, might as well use watercolor at this point
never anywhere near what I have in my head

Just found out about rimlighting lads

So is Loomis supposed to make my chinese cartoon characters look better?

>>3976585
I would lower the size of the brush. By selecting a rather thick brush and applying pressure, you will get an extreme variation of thickness (sorry for poor wording). It is often seen in art of absolute beginners. I would definitely choose a smaller brush to reduce the thickness variation. The difference of detail between bangs and twintails is also a bit too much. A visible collarbone would fit your style. I think that's all, definitely not bad.

Hey anon, been practicing since I last posted. I'm adding hands tomorrow. What do you think so far?

>drew a head too big
>cant resize because not a vector layer and dont want to fuck up the lines
thats what i get for using binary brushes!!!!!

>>3976574
Consider also looking into Proko and Karl Gnass before giving up.

I've started with Hampton (video lessons) and although I greatly value him as a teacher, I was completely confused after the first lesson when I was already supposed to draw gesture. I felt like it wasn't explained enough so my first gestures barely resembled humans, I've had no idea what to do and how to apply the knowledge. Maybe you need to be in contact with the teacher in order to progress, as the lessons (and books) might only be a base for something much deeper.

I temporarily switched to Proko and it became more clear though I definitely wouldn't choose him over Hampton. In my opinion it's the best to mixmatch if you feel you don't know/understand enough. I greatly recommends Gnass though if you can find the lessons, the way he draws gesture is very easy to understand and later replicate his method without looking at the videos, if you feel it might lack flow, watch more Hampton again.

Pic related: top left my first gestures after Hampton, bottom left the same, just after some time, on the right after Hampton, Proko and Gnass. Don't lose hope anon.

>>3977030
>Proko
lets say i want to start from the beginning, where do i even start with him?

First tablet drawing, it is rougly the same I would have done IRL. Coloring without zooming in was a mess though but I wanted to do it in one go.

Now I gotta think up something more complex, maybe Ill just use cosplayers as reference

>>3976363
You need to get used to this. Almost everyone does it and everyone looks stupid, you can always paint over your face or crop it if you're extremely self conscious to the point you can't draw. Taking your own reference photos also helps when you're advanced.

>>3977045
I'm phoneposting, but do you know his videos on gesture on YouTube? It's a free version of his course about gesture, and the actual course is what I looked at, but to be fair I only watched the first two lessons and then moved onto Hampton (again) and Gnass. Everyone seems to have a bit different approach, but Proko gives you the basics you can already start drawing gesture with. I believe it was called Figure Drawing Fundamentals, btw.

How do I get over this feeling every time I draw either for fun or study that in wasting my time.

Hey bros, got my first tablet ever and Im painting for the first time ever, could someone help me with this little thing.

How do I make a layer "memorize" a selection? Say I have the apple in one layer and the little tree trunk in another one, I want to jump from one to the other and paint without having to re-select everything before painting. I'm working on medibang.

Also, any good newbie tutorials out there for digital painting/medibamg?

Any advice on how to make my gestures better? I'm trying the method shown in the Vilppu Drawing Manual.

>>3977057
doesnt look like you have a feel for the form or weight at all
gesture drawings are supposed to flow to a certian degree in the first stages
You should be focusing on capturing the flow and weight distribution of the body before all the construction.
I reccomend watching this video on Ctrl Paint,
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/quick-pose-gesture-sketching

>>3975702
>>3975631

See, this is what happens, does not work. Also, Loomis never explains how much you should ''cut'' from the ball. Every method have a part where you have to ''feel it''

>>3976048
>>3976051
>>3976185

Here more examples of what happens when people try to use Loomis, it does not work. See how their drawings are all warped while Loomis drawings even when he started with a half assed sphere appear full.

>>3977080
So what do I read instead?

>>3977085
here

>>3977052
halp a nigger out, i'm completely lost with drawing software

>>3977145
When the times right, when the times right. A BOY IS A GUN.

>>3977145
Try youtube for digital art tutorials. I'm not familiar with medibang but I'm sure there's a tutorial somewhere on the internet for it.

>>3976048

>>3977157
Very helpful redline, thanks. No idea how to do the eyes like you did with eyelashes and retain their shape though.
Why does everything keep trying to force me to break character design?

>>3977157
but how

Does this look good? Just sketching a base

>>3977183
NIGGA FUCK YOU

>>3977187
I take it as a yes but relax, this was my boku no previous drawing >>3977048
this can still go to shit once I color it

>>3977168
Eye shapes aren't drawn the the same from every angle anon, you're trying to claim its the character design but it's just a /beg/ thing. Maybe that happens in western cartoons like SpongeBob or the Fairly Odd Parents, because eyes are like stickers on the face there.

Check this example of a head in many angles. It's the same character in all of them, very clearly, but you gotta do some changes along the rotation.
For example, for the side view eyes are pretty much a half circle or a triangle. You can still try to add those 2 pointy eyelashes, but get the eye position right.

>>3977190
aaahhh much better
keep rocking dude

Do I need Loomis to do stuff like pic related?

>>3977214
obviously, you brainlet

>>3977214
kinda but not really

>>3977214
Loomis is the meme way of telling you
>Learn how to construct 3d heads by knowing how the Frick are our heads constructed
It doesn't have to be Loomis but his method is universal. But if you needed to ask, yes you need it

>>3977239
this guy is gmi

>>3977244
not yet

>>3977244

>>3977224
He was rocking the mic ya know?

>>3977214
You gotta be a bitch.

crit please and thank you

but did it all go to waste?

>>3977051
You shouldn't be feeling this anon. Instead of trying to get over it you should try to find the source. If you're drawing for a short time, maybe it's not your thing. Or maybe you just have no hope you will ever improve (which isn't true but heavily depends on the mindset). You shouldn't be feeling you're wasting your time.

>>3977052
From your description you might be interested in layer masks, for Medibang check girl called clockbirds on YT

>>3977273
The first thing I noticed, the shoulders are very wide for a girl, the whole upper torso and the head very small. She seems like she would be 10 heads tall. There are no shoulders, they're more like bumps, look the tanktop straps would immediately slide off them. You're free to leave your heads alone for now, work on your bodies because there's a big difference in skill. Mostly proportions are off. The one on the left which is half erased looks better btw. The distance between head and collarbone, shoulders width are about good but still she has no shoulders but bumps. If you only fix the proportions and define shoulders it will look great.

Help. How to give this a [finished] look? I like how it looks from a distance, but close up it still looks barebones, you can clearly see the brush strokes. Maybe I need to put a layer over it and re draw it with a darker brush.. Yeah that has to be it.
Still posting it I like this

>>3977309
>a [finished] look
Define this idea a bit further please. There are many ways this picture could go, What do you consider finished? Do you have an example that is similar?

>>3977310
Sorry anon, I just remembered I got told to watch photoshop inking tutorials like 2 days ago. Using strong blacks will probably give it a realistic manga look, that's kinda what I wanted. I'll report back once I finish that.

I'll do that manga look, and then I'll paint it, I'm on a roll.

>>3977324
okay go for it then! Good luck!

Hello lads, I'm struggling to draw flowers and vegetables, what shold I look up to improve?

>>3977364
Besides the obvious "study from real pictures" answer...
Let your hand loose and do dynamic, flowing shapes, like the hair on my drawing. This hair could be pretty much grass or fire or vegetables or whatever. I recommend looking at real pictures, identify areas, and let your lines flow in an interesting way.

Also, do the same for hair. Hair is not 1 shape full of lines, only pros can do it that way. Hair is tons of different shapes put together on our heads.

>>3977389
All respect, however the flow in your hair is quite chaotic and I wouldn't advise to reference off it. Try to draw less strands, see it more as a flowing shape, feel it from tip to ends, imagine its volume and convey it in long, dynamic lines

>>3977389
>>3977417
Well thanks for the advices, I'll try my best.

https://youtu.be/iS6vC-eT4YI
Is this video good?

>>3977364
Phil's Design Corner on Youtube, lessons on drawing organics. Enjoy your gains.

>>3977441
As good as anything else. There are so many ways of drawing a figure, and you'll have to find or invent one that suits your artistic nature.

been learning bodys with Loomis. I do see progress but what do you think guys

>>3977484
Draw the penis bigger.

>>3977487
no. its perfect

I think I’m finally getting the hang of it. A very loose grip but a grip none the less, I wish I had a high quality image but this is all I’ve got on me right now.

How did I do? Is she beautiful? After I thought I had finished, I had to correct it for like 2 hours because all faces looked too masculine to me. I settled for this in the end. I'm gonna FUCK Sakimichan

>>3977516
Also this. I need to work on my line quality, the pip boy was done in 3 15 minute sessions to try and force getting major shapes first, this was done using the flipped upside down method with the guy from psycho. Both definitely need to be corrected in multiple places like the clock on the pop boy and ears on this guy but I’m just glad you can recognize them now(I hope)

>>3977518
why would you keep messy sketch? set it's transparency to 10-20%, make a new layer, draw over it again but now with confident lines

Is Drawabox actually bad?

>>3977545
The excercises for line control, perspective and such a pretty good but I wouldn't follow it religiously.

>>3977545
it's Robertson's "How to Draw" with more casual approach
you can learn from both

>>3977555
Why? I'm watching the introductory video and he seems pretty serious about people following the instructions exactly.

>>3977080
Where to learn heads please? Those were my first attempts at doing loomis heads after watching Proko's head video and they look seriously flat and wrong.

>>3977564
Well, because wasn't an absolute beginner when I learned about it, I think many people here aren't. If you are an absolute beginner I would recommend you to follow it exactly.

If you have a little bit of experience albeit still beginner you have a better grasp of what you need to learn to become better which absolute beginners lack.

>>3977569
If something doesn't stick, take a step back. Work on simple 3 dimensional forms first. Then attempt it again.

>>3977539
Anon, I.. I had already redrawn with "confident" lines, THOUGH I forgot to deactivate the messy sketch layer.
This is as clean as I can get it. I promise I'll do more realistic buildings some other time, but drawing 1000 straight lines for architecture doesn't seem fun

critique pls

>>3977507
Needs a bigger and more feminine benis.

>>3977578
Nice butt. Honestly, not bad. Good job anon. But keep working on your anatomy.and rendering.

>>3977579
no. benis is perfect in all ways
>>3977484
joking aside is it decent and can i move on to learning more stuff?

>>3977590
What do you mean "move on"? There is no "moving on", "leveling up", or "progressing" in art. You will continually learn and relearn the same things over and over and over. There is no finish line. There is no reward. It's just a cycle.

>>3977590
I'll say it's decent enough for you to sketch a real drawing you'd like to do and post it here so we can start identifying more concrete faults. That's the fun way of doing things.
Of course we could agree your body is still nothing like a real human and make you study anatomy and muscles for 30 years until you master it but no one wants that.

But yeah I've seen worse. No one has legs that long but you still placed everything where it should be. Now draw something. Think about why you're drawing. Is it to draw wrestlers? Dragons? Robots? Gotta start doing some of it between studies.
Also, Loomis is good but the best way to complement it is to use his teachings to draw people WHILE LOOKING at nude models as a reference. I don't say "copy the reference" exactly, but use Loomis construction to RECREATE the model. There's quickpose and line of action for that.

>>3977577
it is still blurry mess, fixing it will take forever
if you want it to look like >>3977324 you have no choice but doing it over again
trust me, it's doesn't take that long, here is my quick inking, doing background and shading is on you

>>3977295
I think I was just feeling down at the time. I know now that I shouldn't treat each drawing as sacred but instead a step closer to what i want

Just seeing some progress every so often is all i ask.

>>3977572
Right. I'll have to keep at it then.

>>3977520

Hi...I'm Alkamei and I've come to draw.
I'm a beginner so please bear with me and patiently I shall grow with you.

>>3977577
I don't think it's bad and I like this style, you can keep the sketch layer, but you need some stronger and more defined lines in the inking layer. It seems like you stopped halfway.

Just sketched on my lunch break. I'm sure perspective is fucked. No reference.

damn, I'm actually am afraid and not sure where to begin.

damn, I'm actually afraid and not sure where to begin.

>>3977075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUJZUZRmNUE

Let me if this helps at all.

>>3977679
>>3977577

I mean, here. I always post a side by side comparison. Just throwing some thicker a more define lines was enough to bring up her features and make her face more defined.
The way I see, you are simply lazy or scared of finishing your inking and losing the "artsy" feel your sketch have.

What pressure sensitivity should I use on a tablet with 8192 levels of pressure. It's often quite hard to control how thick are the lines on default.

>>3977577
Go find a book on manga or comic inking and finish this. Also, I recommend watching Manben if you want to see how real manga artists work in the wild.

>>3977692
In before some brainlet decides to make themselves feel smart by name dropping scott Robertson.

i think im having trouble with this page, i have been stuck on it for a while now trying to get the axis to line correctly as seen in the exercise examples maybe it's time for drawabox

>>3977578
I tried, i dont think this is the perfect solution, others might give better input, gl anon~

>>3977577
far away as small thuimbnail it looks good, close up i think face is too cluttered. the screen tone dotspace are too far away so it just spread aimlessly with no define edge so the shadow deosnt really become as strong as it should be. i think for manga-like stuff, crisp and clean lines are important and i will not lie the lines are terrible but with more practice im sure you will get better at it. the way you place the hair strands were too random, if you grouped them in segment a bit more it will look nicer. for straight line, idk what program you are use, but usually if you press shift while press down in stylus it makes a straight line like in sai and ps.

noob level here. should I focus on clean lines this early?

Didnt get an pinion from last thread so here goes.

>>3977864

>>3977577
>>3977861
i tried, its not as clean as i struggle with lineart too gl anon dont give up~

>>3977843
align?
>>3977864
i think its better to start early so you dont form bad habit, but if you think your focus will perform better if you do one stuff at a time do what interests you first

is a "sketchy style" a crutch? should i be trying to clean up my lines?

>>3977901
The thing about style is that it should be deliberate.

>>3977916
it is deliberate, i'm not accidentally making all those lines, but i worry that i COULDN'T draw something cleaner and good if i tried.

>>3977916
it is deliberate, i'm not accidentally making all those lines, but i worry that i COULDN'T draw something cleaner and good if i tried. so the question is: should i continue to refine my 'style' or should i work on a cleaner style first?

>>3977923
You should work on clean deliberate lines first. Slow & steady to begin with. It will help with wanting a sketchy style if you do choose to take that route down the line. I think he meant deliberate in that this style emphasizes shapes and form instead of directly trying to draw it in a sketchy fashy. A few lines describing the eye socket in your pic, for example, and some value to show the depth - instead of literally drawing the eye.
I'd recommend giving Bridgman a go to learn anatomy, you might jive with it.

Hi /beg/ .Looking for a partner to practice digital painting. I want to do it daily and I take it seriously.

My Discord.

untgo#7937

>>3977952
go join DAD bud

>>3977880
yes getting kinda bored when do i get to move on

when do I get to draw cute girls

>>3977868
Feels gay man

>>3977969
right now bro they just might look like shit

>>3977969
when you git gud

>>3977969
They look cute to me. I like small titties.

>>3978014

>>3977631
>>3977711
>>3977869
>>3977758
Thanks anons I'll finish it then, I fell asleep after that sorry. 12 hours to draw a face, hopefully I'll get better.
>>3978016
You were just waiting to post that, but the "previous thread" was copied from this thread

Traditional fag here, trying to get into digital but I can hardly do an ellipse in digital, how the fuck do I overcome this? also my chicken scratch went overboard with digital, lines are way harder to do.

>>3978388

https://docs.krita.org/en/tutorials/inking.html
I don't know if you use krita but what is written there kinda applys across programs.
1. Stabilizer
2. Drawing Technique (the way to use the pen on the tablet)
3. Practice

>>3978388
forgot to mention, that sketches can be chicken scratchy because you can refine them

>>3974773
I just bought my first tablet, xp-pen deco 01. I have over 15 years of drawing/painting using a mouse only, how hard is it going to be to adjust to a tablet?

My goal is to be able to do digital paintings, are there any beginner guides to this that you would recommend? I am going to check out the artbook thread after this to search for specific things, but I figured this would be the best thread to ask in, for obvious reasons.

>>3974917
Make your darks darker and your lights lighter.

What pencils do you guys recommend? Im a total beginner.

>>3978526
do you recommend krita for begginers in digital? I'm thinking about using it.

>>3979361
Its free so why not.

>>3979361
It works great for me. I think it lacks a few features for advanced photo editing that photoshop has, but I never came across something that was missing for me, because using it for drawing only.
You might have a look at a few additional brushes. I downloaded some from this list here: https://conceptartempire.com/free-krita-brushes/
Especially like "Krita Brushkit v8.2"

>>3979324
I use one mechanical B or HB, (Uni Kuro Toga but doesn't matter that much) and I have a 2B and 2H (nothing special).
I tend to use them only to pass time when school is boring or for sketches.

Just take an HB or whatever you have, and start doing sketches.

>>3979468
Thanks anon!

>>3975232
Leg is folded weird. Looks like the calf is the same width as the ankle and going off to the side pigeon-toed. It needs to be tucked under the thigh.

>>3974773
>Tfw finally beginning to think in 3d shapes and construct features in actual living form.

T-thanks loomis.

>>3976740
Not a fan but that's more personal preference at work. Looks much better than your coloured work. I'm honestly surprised that you can produce work of this quality. Good job my man.

>paint tool sai can't detect my tablet's pen pressure

what the fuck? other programs works just fine.

Trying to get into gesture in digital is so fucking hard, how do I get better?