/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Are these threads even worth it?

>>3973310
Let them have their little circlejerks, it aids in removing the riffraff from the other generals.

>>3973310
Do you need to ask this every thread?

>>3973310
containment thread for trash weebs, so of course it's worth it.

>>3973293
The OP pic is just getting worst everytime

>>3973787

Not really. You're just realizing how cookie cutter anime style is.

>>3973791
Nah I already know how cookie cutter most anime is, especially generic dating sims. The previous OP pics tend to be selected from more inspiring or distinctive anime illustrators. You know, ones where you can at least instantly tell who the artist is.
But I guess some other chap is doing the OP now

>>3973293
I have a question for everyone who sees this post. I know that the anime style is appealing. Has anyone every question the reasoning behind the style? Like why do artist's draw eyes in a similar fashion? Or what is the nose a dot most of the time? When I have asked Japanese artists questions like these most them can't give me a clear answer.

>>3973293
It seems like a lot of Japanese artists copy mindlessly without questioning the stylistic choices of the artists they like. This probably why the anime style seems inbred. If anyone has any insight on this I would love to know.

>>3973791
>80% of this thread is people saying they don't like/ understand the anime style

>>3973314
>>3973650
>>3973791
>my art is better than your art
how pretentious can you be

>>3973827
It's mostly just Neoteny. Youthful-looking things just looks cuter. It's the same thing Disney did, but with a different flavour.

>>3973893
Well, this does give an explanation for moe styles. I appreciate that. When I look at a character from an anime or manga I want to break the artist's style down. I want to understand why the chose to draw those characters a certain way. To understand why they chose to simplify/exaggerate certain aspects of reality to make their style.

>>3973893
I think it is important to understand the styles of artists you like so that you can change to fit your tastes.

Does anyone have any kind of review or information about this class from this Steve Ahn guy before I drop $1k that hes asking for? It's too much money for what appears to be too good to be true but all you get is twitter dick sucking from people who already are in the industry and can draw better than 100% of this board.

Been watching the pin2d tutorials alongside reading Steve Hustons figure drawing book. Its quite nice seeing the same idea mainly being used between the two sources.

>>3973906
Are you me? That’s what I’m doing.

>>3973830
That's exactly it. The #1 tip most Japanese artists will give is to copy copy copy.

>>3973955
Wouldn't a mentality like that be limiting if one does not question what they are copying? Wouldn't it be more beneficial if one understood what they were copying?

>>3973980
why do you assume that they don't question what they are copying and/or that they don't understand what they're copying?

>>3973980
actually, sorry i didn't mean to direct it at you like that with this post >>3974006. i can see why you would assume that from the post you're replying to. to rephrase, i just don't think that "mindless copying" is as much of a thing as people here seem to assume it is

>>3974006
When I ask them to explain it to me they can not give me a clear answer. Sometimes they'll say I (artist x) work. With no further explanation afterward.

>>3974010
Well, not many people think about. They just draw anime/manga style because they find it appealing. Not many people question why an artist drew a character the way that they did. If a character has spikey hair an aspiring artist may just draw not character and not question why their hair is spikey. They just know they like and they draw it.

>>3973980
That's why there are a lot of Japanese moe artists who can draw normal poses just fine, but anything outside of the norm just ends up looking weird. It's good enough for them to get jobs but you can tell they didn't really study.
Anyway, for people who actually care to learn properly, the recommendation is still copying first, studying and analysis later. The focus is on learning all the stylistic aspects first so it looks properly anime.

>>3974037
Fair enough, I doubt most people will apply what you wrote when actually drawing anime. The poor people like me who want to truly want to understand will be left confused and frustrated because no one can help explain it to us. Unless you find those select few that can. Which is rare.

Took a little break from steve huston to draw a character of another anon.

It was fun... but yeah still beg as fuck.

Back to studying Huston.

>>3973903
>before I drop $1k

Surprisingly, the drawing workshop has been uploaded a while back. Just buy the storyboard one and share with us.

>>3974063
>Surprisingly, the drawing workshop has been uploaded a while back.
The hell? Link?

>>3974064
It's on GFXPeers.

>>3974116
huh...thanks. Downloading now so I can check what it's about.

>>3974056
not anime

>>3974120

Nah nigga, I'm glad I didn't spend that $1k on storyboard and this crap. It's "okay" at best. It's basically 1 week of draw a box, a few weeks on Michael Hampton....and some tips on acting. The most useful stuff is his demo drawing I guess, but that's not worth emptying out half my bank account for some "secrets". Quite literally just another lesser rehash of Lees comic course but presented in digital format with it's only redeeming quality that the characters are more appealing for current year.

The homework I'm assuming is also where you'll get any beneficial results. Drawing is all about drawing after all. At best this course is worth $200. Anything more and it's highway robbery. Ahn is a nice guy but him for charging so much.

>>3974471

Also I'll give credit that his demoing is very clear. It's just not worth $700 bucks.

>>3974235
Dude fuck off you don’t decide what’s anime.

I gladly accept the its worse than literal shit label. But you aren’t an authority on what’s anime style.

>>3974713
Not that guy but its clearly not anime... have you ever watched an anime in your entire life?

>>3974728
Are you trolling me bro? Or do you label everything that doesn’t look like Louis “not anime”

I accept it’s worse than shit. But come on. But eyes eyes+ simple nose + simple mouth = anime.

>>3974728
Are you trolling me bro? Or do you label everything that doesn’t look like Lolis “not anime”

I accept it’s worse than shit. But come on.

But eyes eyes+ simple nose + simple mouth = anime.

I even used cell shading.

How is not anime style?

I mean if you said it’s shit, and it is, I would be fine. Because it is a shitty drawing. But it’s not western style.

>>3974056
It's anime, it just looks like a background character with bad fundies. Ignore the fags telling you otherwise.

>>3974755
Just fuck off retard, you have no clue what you're talking about
>>3974764
same to you

>>3974755
Plenty of non-Japanese styles have simplified faces. Also "anime" isn't a style you fucking neoweeb

>>3974771
Looks like anime to me.

>>3974775
Name 1 (one) actual anime with this kind of style or the style of your drawing. You can't because a. you have never watched anime or consume any form of japanese media and b. it doesn't exist

>>3974778
Pretty sure I have more watched anime than you and the other guy replying to that other anon. You can feel free to post your mal account to prove me wrong.

>>3974781
>mal account
yikes. just stop posting dude

>>3974771
Winx club is considered animesque so you are just proving me right

>>3974785

Thanks for proving me right. I suggest you keep quiet now.

>>3974781
>You can feel free to post your mal account to prove me wrong.

>>3974791

>not keeping track of what you watch

Let me guess, you use excel because you're hardcore.

>>3974778
Explain what makes something "anime" for you then.

>>3974755
>eyes eyes+ simple nose + simple mouth = anime.
Jesus Christ this is such a naive take I do not even know how to respond.

>>3974781
This does not answer his question. Name one actual anime that looks like Winx club.

>>3974764
Thank you.

>>3974797
pretty cure.

Now explain what it needs to look "anime".

>>3974799
PreCure does in no way resemble neither Winx Club nor what what you posted and if you believe it does, you need to train your eyes and develop your tastes.

>>3974797
>This does not answer his question. Name one actual anime that looks like Winx club.
He attacked me by saying
>You can't because a. you have never watched anime or consume any form of japanese media
to which I responded rightfully so. And he still will not defend himself by biting with with his MAL. I can only conclude I'm arguing with a child who is self-reflecting in his own post to others.
B
>it doesn't exist
There are plenty of shows that break the OP pic mold. I'm not going to waste my sunday in a 300 pager fight with you.

>>3974799
>pretty cure
confirmed blind retard
literally use your eyes and look at actual anime style art, not fucking winx club jesus christ

>>3974806
The only difference with winx club is the mouth and nose.

>>3974799
>>3974803
Your drawing gives off a Barbie vibe more than anything.

>>3974810
the eyes, the shape of the head, the proportions of the facial features, the nose, the mouth, yeah i guess when you ignore everything about it then they are very similar

>>3974811
It looks nothing like barbie. Explains what makes something look anime for you.

I'm waiting.

>>3974810
Because they need to lip sync for EOA. I fixed your anime bros.

>>3974806
Confirmed retarded weeb that considers evrything not made by literal japanese people not anime

>opinion discarded

>>3974815
>wants to draw anime style art for some reason
>refuses to acknowledge that his shitty drawing isn't anime style
>calls people who watch anime retarded weebs
this is bait

>>3974819
You don't watch anime. You still haven't posted your MAL.

>>3974814
If you literally believe noses and mouths is all it takes for something to be anime you are genuinely delusional. The entire aesthetic of Winx reaks of western, it's not something you can fix just by changing up the facial features. What about the eyes and the hair?

>>3974822

What about the eyes and hair, ironic weeb? The only difference is the lack of shading. If anything Winx Club is ahead of its time.

>>3974821
>hurr you have to post your reddit points from my retarded tracking website to prove you watch anime !! ! xD
go back

>>3974828
proving my point further

you're afraid of my stats

>>3974056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XMGpwLckp4

>>3974755
it looks like a marvel cartoon, not really eastern "anime" styled. Also this >>3974811

>>3974827
Look, if you want to believe that your drawing and winx club are anime, then more power to you. Evidently no amount of arguing will change your mind, akin to a petulant child. There is no point in spamming your mal stats, you are clearly an anime connoisseur who knows everything there is about the style.

>>3974822

Your best argument is using western shows copying anime...

Winx club as teen titans and many others are copying anime. You are not helping your case by using western animesque.

>>3974834
No shit sherlock

>>3974839
I'm not the anon who drew the drawing. I'm defending him against retards in this "study" thread who throw big claims like "they don't watch anime" then refuse to outright post their stats when confronted. I'm standing up to the bullies is what's going on here, and you're getting your shit kicked in left and right center.

>>3967915
She's adorable. My advice is never work on the head details until you have a full pose and composition, you're going to have a bad time, it's hard to see things in shapes if they're very detailed imo.

>>3969079
>>3969149
I started trying Medibang recently and it's not bad at all. I like it much more than Krita. So mayhaps worth a try. Check "clockbirds" on YouTube she has Medibang speedlapses and I found them helpful.

>>3969996
Start with learning gesture, everything will get easier

>>3971023
>one of them was a an american black guy ranting and just telling you to get hampton and loomis

Based

>>3974713
It is anime when you can't tell it's not Japanese, imho. Sounds dumb, but western anime harshly overlaps with western comic styles and there has to be some distinction, so in my opinion it needs to be definitely distinct from a western comic style.

>>3974056
Sorry bud, but its not anime. I would do some more studies from japanese artists you like to get a better feel of the proportions and subtleties that make a character feel anime. One thing is the features are all too sharp. Anime girls are softer, more rounded corners. The stylization of the eyes, mouth and lips also evoke a more western feel. The character seems to have heavy makeup applied which is usually more subtle in anime, like lipstick would never be that thick and prominent. Also, its just a very rough drawing in general so its hard to criticize the style in the first place. Just keep drawing and improving, you will realize your mistakes as you practice. There's nothing wrong with a different style, but don't call it anime because its just simply not.

>>3974844
Thank you anon, I appreciate it. You are a good person.

GOAT

Where can I find good poses to trace it?

>>3974844
if a person is adamant in claiming that something which is clearly not anime is anime, its fairly reasonable to accuse them of never having watched anime. I don't have to post any "stats", are you 12? You aren't being a hero
>you're getting your shit kicked in left and right center
am i? ok

>>3974827
Yes, let's completely ignore the differences in head shapes, mouths, noses, eyes, hair, clothing, line work, coloring and general overarching aesthetics.

Winx Club uses Disney-style 3-stroke eyes which is extremely typical of western animation, has a very shape and silhouette-based approach to their character designs and uses thick Flash-like line work suitable for tweened computer animation.

PreCure has soft and round faces, uses large, expressive and comparatively detailed eyes while reducing eyes and noses to simple shapes and is drawn using thin line work that has a clear organic quality to it.

>>3974864
Talk shit get it, kid.

>>3974865
You're retarded. What about this?

>>3974844
The only true retard in this thread is you, who not only is unable to tell western from eastern yet will lecture everyone else on how it is "all the same", but also seem to exist in some bizarro dimension where not browsing /r/anime and using MAL makes you an ironic weeb.

If you consider your public record of watched shows so valuable, why don't you link it in this thread?

>>3974872
This is absolutely western and has the exact same problems I just outlined, with visible lips and simple, almond-shaped eyes and a shape-based design language. Are you developmentally challenged?

>>3974872
Man, those french are really good at fooling retards I guess

This is hard

>>3974874
post
>>3974876
your
>>3974877
mal account :-)

Also I think you guys are confused. I can clearly see the differences. What I'm saying is, it's anime enough.

>>3974056

>>3974881
You made is subjective.

>>3974881
Good job, but there's no point, the guy literally cannot tell the difference

>>3974881
This is good, but you shouldn't waste time on schizoid retards and/or /b/-tier "trolls".

>>3974888
>good job, but there's no point, the guy literally won't conform to our subjective twitter trend tastes

>>3974880
>its anime enough
who are you to decide that lmao. you still have yet to show an actual example of a real anime with that style.

>>3974895
You still haven't posted your Mal account, Mr. I watch anime and you don't.

>>3974901
and I never will, stay mad retard. But if you want to post yours since you're so proud of it then go ahead, no one's stopping you

>>3974880
Sure, I'll bite. This is my "MAL account", also known as a torrents folder. I'm not at home right now so this is just what is on my external drive I keep with me. I don't watch as much anime as I could, but as you can see, it is a mixture of both less and more popular, mostly modern, shows of different genres and styles.

Will you post your MAL list now?

I use Hummingbird

>>3974905
Yeah sure.

Who cares what shows you watched if you're not even trying to improve your work

>>3974910
Are you some kind of faggot? That's like me taking a screenshot of my hentai folder video stuff and saying I watched it all--hint I did not.

>>3974915
Wow! very impressive. I hereby take back everything I said about the quality of your work which has everything to do with the amount of anime you watch.

>>3974920

Then don't throw around baseless claims while taking a high ground, shitting on others saying it's not "anime".

>>3974891
>>3974888
>>3974884
It was a 20 min sketch anyway. I tried taking a jab if I can make it more eastern styled because it looks really western 2bh

>>3974925
You're talking to the wrong anon btw

>>3974921
Anon thank you so much for being so kind and standing up against bullies. I'm sorry it happened but I appreciate your kindness.


Thank you.

>>3974921
I've watched or am watching all of those shows listed. I only torrent shows I actually find interesting and intend to watch; I don't consume for the sake of consumption and try to put some modicum of thought into my choices.

More than anything, I'm impressed that someone who has supposedly completed 400+ shows has done so without picking up on the intricacies that tell whether something is western or eastern produced. I'm not sure if dyslexia for aesthetics is a thing, but if it is, you most certainly have it.

>>3974925
You must literally be 12 years old to get this assblasted at someone telling you you're drawing isn't anime. It's not shitting on you, its a valid criticism that apparently was too much for you to handle

>>3974931

So translation
>less shows than me
Gotcha. Next...
>>3974932
I'm not that person. I think I draw better anime than you both.

>>3974932

it's not anime because I said so =/= criticism.

>>3974056
"not anime" is as memey as "just draw" but they not wrong. It looks faux anime at most and western styled. Can you try doing studies of your favorite artists? After that try drawing the same character again see if you can do the style you want

>>3974942
This isn't sarcasm btw, I'm giving you a suggestion

>>3974939
The fact that you believe that "not anime" is completely arbitrary and subjective shows you have no clear understanding of what makes anime style what it is. It doesn't matter how many shows you watched. If you're trying to draw in anime style, pointing out that its not anime style is indeed criticism, given that you were told specifically what makes it not anime style. You are choosing to ignore the advice you are being given. Based on that drawing, I don't think you are quite at the skill level where you can ignore people's help ( if that level even exists)

>>3974952
>It doesn't matter how many shows you watched.
Then don't use that as an arguing point retard. You started this.

>>3974955
My argument wasn't
>the more shows you watch, the more you understand anime style
it was
>you have such little understanding of anime style that it is safe to assume you have never watched anime
but now that we know you've watched 400+ anime, I guess you're just mentally challenged/ blind

>>3974958
~99% drawings on deviantArt are mislabeled as anime, that might be where the confusion comes from.

>>3974958
>you have such little understanding of anime style that it is safe to assume you have never watched anime

Lolirock could be """"anime"""" if it wanted to i.e more shades in the colors, more attention to detail to sacrifice fluid animation, no lip sync with English vowels, etc, but it's its own thing taking cues FROM anime. Therefore it's
>anime enough
What don't you understand? There is literally a french comic getting an "anime" adaption made coming out soon. This isn't the early 2000s anymore. There is no point in trying to be 1:1 anime. The french can make literal 1:1 anime, but there is no point in doing that.

So guys, why do sketches always look better than linework?

>>3974977

The true chad secret is to just sketch the linework already lined.

>>3974977
That's a known phenomena. Some artists just go from the loosest of sketches to inking because of that. No point in wasting time on the rough.

>>3974985
>There is literally a french comic getting an "anime" adaption made coming out soon.
Radiant

>>3975012
Wrong post quote, don't hit me dad.

>>3974975
Something being influenced by anime and taking cues from anime does not make it anime unless it is indistinguishable from actual Japanese animation. Lolirock strays far enough from the anime mold that I wouldn't even classify it as "anime enough", and out of all western productions I can think of, the only show I believe could reasonably be considered "anime enough" (with the caveat that you can still tell it is western) is The Boondocks, which is funny considering how far removed it is from Japan culturally.

All that aside, this is the Anime Study General and I don't think you should be surprised if people here are more interested in studying authentic anime with the ambition of being able to draw art indistinguishable from art drawn by an actual Japanese, than the aforementioned western faux-anime shows.

>>3975025
The western-faux shows are getting anime animated in Japan. Meanwhile you're trying to copy Japanese and will never be Japanese.

>>3975027
correction

You're trying to be "authentic" whatever that means. I can take a guess, though.

>>3975027
And why do you think Radiant is a successful example of a western property being almost indistinguishable from a Japanese one? It's certainly not because it settled for a Barbie-tier aesthetic.

It's okay to have low ambitions, but you're not going to win any favours by dragging the people who want to aim higher down.

>>3975045
That looks like pretty much any anime airing right now. But you don't have trained eyes like me since you watched less shows than me. Understandable.

>>3975044
"Authentic" meaning "I can look at this and not instantly tell it was drawn by a westerner."

>>3975047
Nothing in my post said it did not look like anime, are you unable to parse basic sentences? I was praising it for how well it nails the eastern aesthetic.

>>3975049
So just say you're racist.

>>3975054
How old are you?

>>3975059

Why? Are you into kids?

>>3975065
Are you a kid?

>>3975069

I'm a squid.

>people itt are really trying to argue that winx club is anime
is it just me or has /ic/ been overrun with severely mentally ill retards in the past week?

>>3975075
>past week?
Try months or even year. Just look at the porn general.

>>3975080
i don't even bother going in there

>>3975054
there it is. pleasereturn to leddit or twitter or whatever cesspool you came from

>>3975086

I've been here since 2013. I'm more involved on this board than you realize.

>>3975088

>>3975094

>>3975099

>>3975103

>>3975107

>>3975124

If you're going to post smug anime girls at least post ones you drew yourself.

>>3975134

>>3975075
/ic/ is similar to /3/ in many ways I guess.

>>3975138
lol no wonder

>>3974775
cheap knockoff anime because of different stylistic influences present

Just asking for some advice on drawing hair and maybe head shapes. I did this without trying to worry and make it natural so you can easily point out mistakes and give any tips.

What fundementals should I learn for an Early Jojo/fist of the north star style?

How should I construct my characters?

>>3975649
bridgman

>If it isn't moeshit it's not anime
I want lolifags to off themselves.

>>3975680
Who are you quoting?

>>3975680
This.

>>3975680
no one ever remotely claimed this, but keep seething

Should I put a glitch sort of effect on this or not

>>3975731

This comment is not anime.

(That's how retarded you sound)

>>3974977
I found this comment here on /ic/ a while ago and i still agree with it to this day
Pic related

>>3975733
yea

>>3975733
Neat

>>3975733
Not anime.

>>3975788
Keep on seething, falseflagger

>>3975788
What is it then

>>3975750
t. a retard who doesn't understand the concept of line confidence

>>3975590
The hair looks pretty good already, I'd advise getting scanned books from yande.re and looking through them, there are a few on hair and some explaining the heads in detail. Give me a (You) if you have no idea what titles to get, I'll take a look and recommend a few, I've been collecting them

>>3975750
"Can't" is a strong statement and not true, if liveliness is caused by lack of flow, direction and dynamics while linking and coloring, it is to be learned. It's the skill difference between sketching and inking/coloring which is to blame.

>>3975733
Nice. With that cyan+magenta heavy palette, I think some sort of glitch effect could look really cool.

>>3975788
Stop shitting up the thread with your petty vendetta just because you got slammed earlier.

>>3975913
yeah throw me some names please

>>3975928
Not anime.

>>3975075
Winx Club is clearly anime. Anime means animation. 90 percent of Japs don't even watch their own cartoons. It's just yakuza keeping anime industry alive.

>3975788
>3976132
oh no the assblasted schizo is terrorizing the general with his retardation.
suffice to say, nothing can be done and my day is ruined.

>>3976197
stop giving it even more attention, silly

>>3976069
https://pastebin.com/dCUS4zvs
Here you go anon, there is a lot there but most have head and hair drawing included.

Some are on hands, folds, anatomy, poses. The older 萌え[...]の描き方 might be questionable, they seem to be a collaboration of many artists and the quality greatly varies.

For head and hair, a must have is デジタルツールで描く!, and the ones from Toshi (キャラに生命を吹き込むイラスト[...], ゼロから学ぶプロの技 - 神技作画). Good luck anon, I honestly recomend getting all of those books from yande.re (I'm 99% sure every single one was from there) and checking them out, it's the best I sorted out after browsing ~80 pages of the thread.

>>3976197
I promise even schizos don't behave so ridiculously.

>>3976158
Agreed. Finally someone that gets it.

>>3976218
Thanks a lot for this. So I just search the titleo n yande.re and go on my way?

>>3974063
>see this post
>check cgp
>pic related
>click on it
>[deleted]
that steve jew has some friendly admins in the pirate crew or something?

>>3976239
You're welcome my man.

That should work well, if it doesn't, Google search site:yande.re [title], if you can't find it use only part of the books title. For example if the title is 萌えキャラクターの書き方 顔・体編 and can't find it, search only for 萌えキャラクターの書き方

>>3975733
How is this or should I add some glitch effect in the background too

>>3976326
Don't forget about noise and flare lens retard

>>3976486
Whoops too late i already posted it

>>3975733
I think it would look better if you cropped some of the hair out and centered on the face more.

>>3976326
it hurts!!!

It's a sweater..

>>3976158
>90 percent of Japs don't even watch their own cartoons.

Sad but true. Just look at the blue ray sales of most of their gimmick cartoons. Barely ever ranks higher than western movie releases. Don't get me started with their extremely low TV ratings....
>but but DVR
Yeah well, it's still a low number of otaku watching anime. Westerners love anime more than the Japanese.

>>3976629

not anime.

I hope you fags are reporting the schizoid shitting up the thread.

>>3976698

Men are having a discussion right now.

is the jaw line correct in this ?

>>3976731
It looks fine, but I feel it's a pointless question to ask without developing your facial features and head further. It's easier to notice if the underlying shape is off once it's given a proper context.

>>3976731
I would have drawn it like this, a bit more to the left, but I'm not sure myself. Please feel free to ignore if it doesn't seem right to you.

>>3976731
lol

>>3976158
Shit bait.

>>3973293
Hey lads, do you have any resource for anime eyes I can copy and memorize?

>>3977638

>>3977638
Here's another one

>>3977638
... and another.

>>3977648
>>3977650
>>3977651
Thank you very much!

Hey guys what kind of brush on CSP shoud I use to paint something like this?

>>3978293
or this

>>3978293
hard round brush

>>3978293
>>3978295
not anime

>>3978304
b-but

>>3978301
Just hard round brush? How to make looks soft?

>>3978316
by blending the colors

>>3978304
technically nothing in this thread is anime because it's not animated you fucking faggot

>>3978354
Damn that "it's not anime" guy is so annoying.

>>3978293
>>3978295
It's no the brush that's holding you back anon but your lack of drawing skills. Hard roun works fine.

Now go and practice.

>>3978304
not gmi uwu

>>3978316
I just started drawing as well, but depending on the program you are drawing with, use a "Hard round pressure opacity brush" . If you're on photoshop, then enable the "flow" setting and set it to your liking. To blend the colors so they look soft with the round brush you can continuously "eyedrop" the colors on whatever it is youre blending.

>>3978293
It's mostly using the blur tool and a semi hard brush/sai watercolor brush. Look at the csp assets site for the sai brush.
That and making use of different layers and masking them together

>>3978304
>this ngmi is still assblasted over his work getting called out for not being anime
Kek your tears are tasty

>>3978293
You can see his process in Twitch. He just use a basic hard round brush in Photoshop, nothing really special.

Any idea how i can get the smooth skin like pic related?

>>3978529
With SAI, I'll use airbrush to do this soft skin effect. You smoothen the colors with a low density airbrush.

>>3978304

i need me the critique

>>3979941
Not anime.

>>3978654
while is good to work on the same layer, you should also combine separate layers, and once the main filling is done, you can erase parts of the upper layers to get highlight areas on the edges, kinda like this >>3978529

>>3978293
When drawing the shades on separate layers, you can use both erasers or airbrushes (low opacity/density) to erase sections of the painting, or, if the layer itself is not clipped, you can clip another layer on it and combine either the color below the shade or, well, any other you wish, (airbrush recommended).

>>3979941
pls draw more Rin

>>3979941

Super cute anon. I like it. Just make her forehead bigger.

Anime faces don't follow loomis "eyes in the middle". They are actually a bit lower with the forehead higher.

>>3975649
Hogarth

>>3980122
That's true, in a book there was a short mention of 135 degrees for eyes and nose/mouth or something. I'd have to find it if someone is curious. That makes the faces appear cute, and it's used in Japanese plush toys, etc, that's why they look so cute. Because the eyes are so close to the mouth (and huge compared to the rest) like in small kittens. When you think of it and look at the photo, moe girls have kitten proportions.

>>3975733
>>3976326
put different glitch effect, this made it worse than the original desu

>>3976247
where do you go for traditional drawing torrents, anywhere i can download proko's paid stuff?
anything that is like cgpeers but for drawing?

>>3977650
>>3977651
do you have them translated?

>>3980191
Try btdigg

>>3974881
if you would ink your stuff it would pretty eastern, but I see a few hints which show otherwise
>head under hair too small
>back too big
>mouth and nose too low

>ywn make anything remotely as good as this
why even bother?

Can I get tips on how the fuck are you supposed to find the oval shape in the head?
It's another one of those "FEEL THE FORM" things isn't it?

>>3980447
Try to find a better reference image first

>>3980447
Look in good Japanese drawing books, it's all there.

>>3973293
Is Date Naoto's other book somewhere?
It's the guy who did Deconstruction Illustrated

『デジタルツールで描く! 服のシワと影の描き方』

>>3980499
See my reply in the artbook thread anon>

>>3980499
Yeah I have it. It's over yandere.

>>3980445
i'm pretty sure one single person didn't make all of that

>>3980122
Loomis eyes aren't in the middle, the brow line is

>>3980447
Try understanding how to construct a head first

>>3981070
Bullshit.

>>3981080
The brow is clearly in the center though?

>>3981084
Are you blind? The diagram clearly says eyes 1/2

>>3981084
Just take the L

>>3981084
>>3981095
The brow line is constructed on the center of the circle dumbasses, thats clearly what I and the person I was responding to were referring to

>>3981103
So you are Moving the goalpost instead of taking the L. Got it.

>>3981134
Just fuck off retard you have no clue what you're talking about. Loomis construction isn't "draw an oval and hurr the eyes go in the middle", it's based around a sphere and the two center lines. The horizontal center line is the brow, under which the eyes go. Maybe try actually reading loomis before trying to teach me. The 1/2 eye in your pic means the eyes are halfway between the chin and the top of the head, but that's not how you construct it.

>>3981103
When someone says that the "eyes are in the middle" with absolutely no reference to the cranial circle whatsoever, it's obvious what they mean. Honestly just move on, anon.

>>3981142
>absolutely no reference to the cranial circle whatsoever
wrong, the guy said "loomis eyes in the middle" which isn't correct because loomis doesn't teach to construct the eyes in the center, he teaches to construct the brow in the center. It seems you are misunderstanding the difference between the end product and the method of construction

>>3980447
I'm no expert but I think it's more like this.

>>3981141
Anon, nobody is talking about the order in which you construct a Loomis head. The entire deal is simply about the proportional position of the eyeline relative to the height of the head. The statement that the eyes are at the centre of the Loomis head is just a fact. You misunderstood it and now you're on full damage control

>>3981141
Jesus you are actually retarded.

The browline is one of the thirds of the face. You would need a tumor for the bullshit you are saying to be true.

>>3981141
You are fucking retarded. You are moving the goalpost.

I said the eyes are in the middle of the face.Now you are trying to say you meant the middle of the circle to bullshit your way out

Eyebrow is one third of the face.

>>3981155
yes you are right, i apologize for shitting up the thread with my autism
>>3981157
>>3981162
>eyebrow is one third of the face
yes but I was talking about the ball and plane not the actual face itself. clearly the eyes are in the middle of the face but I misunderstood the original poster and thought he was talking about construction

alright i was btfo'd now we can stop arguing

>>3981148
Just what are you talking about? He teaches that the browline is in the centre of the cranial circle AND that the eyeline is at the centre of the whole head. Those are two completely separate facts and the order of construction is irrelevant to the discussion as we are talking purely about proportions

>>3981167
No what are you talking about?

I always said the eyes were at the center of the face and some brainlet contested it.

>>3981167
>>3981164
Whoops didn't refresh the thread. Good to see anon admitting mistakes, which is something that is almost completely nonexistent on /ic/

>>3981169
yeah sorry for being a dick anon. kudos on owning to your mistakes.

>>3978304
get over it already malfag

So guys what do you think it's the differnce between anime and western art trying too hard to look anime.

I don't want to look too western.

What do the japanese typically think when knowing westerners are trying to attempt this sort of thing?

>>3981275
who cares?

>>3981275
What do you think when japs attempt western art?

>>3981275
They think the usual western styles are ugly and think it's good that westerners are taking hints from anime to make characters look more attractive

>>3981349
Source?

>>3981247
post your work so we can check how western/eastern styled it is

>>3981275
nothing really? As long as it looks appealing for them, they don't care. Also some japs are into western cartoons anyway (westaboos), it's my favorite style over generic moe ones

>>3981349
not necessarily true, see my response above

>>3981275
Doesnt anime come from japs trying to imitate Disney?

>>3981373
The imitation wasn't clear cut accurate though wasn't it? It had it's own distinction.

What are /asg/'s honest thoughts about Neko/DreamNekoTV's art?

>>3978295
That freakish midget arm tho

>>3981389
pretty meh but that's just me

>>3981357
>>3981365
It's a sentiment I've seen a lot on 2ch and matome sites, not necessarily representative of all Japanese people but at least some.

>>3980122
thank you for the feedback, i'll make sure to fix the forehead a bit, i still have to learn how to make the eyes even and im trying to get the eyes to look the same way as the official art from the series

>>3981389
If that’s really her art that’s good gains

>>3978529
lasso the area you want smooth and apply a blur filter, or have an insanely soft brush

>>3981406
I agree
>>3981424
>*snaps neck to look in your general direction*

I don't check these threads often, so not sure if this question has been asked a lot already, but does anybody know what kind of blending mode is used for the shadow layers in most anime? Are they hand-picking each shadow color individually? Because when I try to use a multiply layer and try out a single color for the shadows, I can never get the same saturation and brightness levels that would match the shadows in the reference image.

Take pic related for example. No matter what color you use on multiply, even if you are able to match the shadow on say the skin, then that same color on multiply would create a different shadow on the green dress and hair etc.

>>3981530
If you're talking about actual anime and not anime-styled illustrations, then no, they don't use blending modes. All of the color palette like shadow colors are completely predetermined and the colorists will just blindly follow the palette guide ala paint-by-numbers

In lineart do you use different brush sizes for different places or do you use a brush with a wide range of size pressure to begin with?

I've been examining some of the higher resolution artworks and watching some popular mangaka streams on pixiv. The pressure of their tool always seems to follow their need so flawlessly. I can't really get the same effect when I try. If I push harder to get a wider line my hand starts to shake a little in the process. If I set my tablet's sensivity higher I'm struggling to make thinner lines.
Is it just a matter of practice? Or a better tablet? Or is there some kind of a setting I'm not aware of?

>>3981389
>honest
Never heard of them. It's painfully average. Not bad but not good. The shading is the worst aspect, if left as a sketch it would look better.

>>3981247
To not look western, delete any western anime references and tutorials and solely stick to Japanese books and Pixiv. After doing this I've noticed a big improvement in trying to achieve the aesthetic.
The most common mistakes are definitely in the coloring and the mouths, shading of the hair. I would say most western anime lacks softness, it's not delicate. The colors are more saturated.

>>3981553
>Is it just a matter of practice?
I just do both. There's no one correct choice. Do whatever you're comfortable with.

>>3981553
It does partly depend on a tablet anon. I use an Intuos but had a chance to use a Cintiq and the lines are much smoother. I usually use the same brush size for everything and press lighter for delicate areas. What are you drawing in? In some drawing programs there's an option to adjust the "sensitivity curve" or however it's called, so for example, at 70% of pressure you already get 100% but let's say until 50% it's as usual so you wouldn't struggle to make thinner lines

Any greyscale to color tutorials for clip studio? I never managed to get it right and it sucks when I draw something greyscale and be unable to color it afterward.
It's not just a matter of using the color layer.

>>3981641
https://youtube.com/watch?v=r1iC9PuGh6I

This should help, it's the same as in Photoshop I think so when in doubt, look up coloring grayscale using gradient maps (and then coloring on top of them)

>>3981799
Are gradiant maps really the best way?
Anyway thanks I'll try them

>>3976731
idk

>>3976731
you're suppose to align the nose to the middle guideline

>>3981815
I hate using gradient maps, laying all the local color in via a color layer works well for me.. then adjusting the output to match the values of the grayscale image then more adjusting.

i did the image on the left a long time ago in photshop but the process is identical in CCSP.

>>3981878
didn't realize I was posting in the anime thread. hopefully it helps anyway.

>>3974881
i decided try this as well

>>3981907
Ok fine I will bite.

Does it now look anime, senpai?

Ok fine I will bite. Does it now look anime senpai-kun?


Now I will go practice my fundies.

>>3981878
Just a color layer? The result looks good. Not the same anon, but thank you for the tip. It will definitely come in use

Is there any book in yander.re that has a simplifid manequin of the body, you could recomend? (not hitokaku)

I'm struggling with the super lean bodies of anime girls and that would be very useful for me.

Thanks!

>>3981641
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E6IJkvaQE3U

i like this guys stuff, hes an ex riot artist. be careful tho because he calls a gray scale sketch "lines" even though hes refering to gradients so dont get confused

>>3981553
start small then go over the lines again with a bigger size if you cant do sensitivity

>>3981959
>>3981878
Thanks

>>3973293
My attempt at cell shading, any criticism would be great. I'm colorblind so I tend to guess on skin colors, pretty sure that's off.

>>3981932
getting there
but you need to work on your bodies dude thats the main problem

none these anime
anim girls have tO be lesbian

like this:

>>3981965
i dont draw dudes much, sorry

>>3981936
also try fixing your light source, i decided to throw some rough colors in 30 mins this is kinda how i'd do it desu

>>3982037
forgot file

>>3982038
Thank you sensei. I'm, unironically, grateful for your feedback.

Cute drawing.

>>3981965
This is actually pretty nice. I've noticed that a lot of colorblind artists tend to make yellows into greens but this looks more like a lighting choice than any actual errors, I like it.

I changed some facial anatomy with the lasso tool (eyes, lips) and added a bit more orange at the bottom of his irises to make them "pop" more.

The middle is what I did to the hair with purple to go compliment the yellowish/gray of his hair. Shading with complimentary colors is something I personally like in illustrations.

>>3982014
Oof, it shows. OP's jawline is way better. This just looks gender ambiguous, though it would be okay for a more moeblob style vs a more serious masculine anime style. Great coloring.

>>3982062
*also, here it is inverted to see the iris strokes better bc RGCB

>>3982014
>>3982038
>>3981907
>>3981831
Blog?
Very cute style!

>>3980122
>Just make her forehead bigger.
like this?

is loomis being used in anime?

>>3981947
What's wrong with hitokaku?

>perfect 3DCG anime visuals portion in my dream today of some love plus style version of select waifus

Wow. I hope one day science can unlock this portion of our brains thats retaining all of this shit we can't use when wide awake.

>>3982837
Nothing. It’s just that already have it

Noob here. I find that drawing faces are really hard (especially getting each part to be correctly positioned depending on where the face is directed at).
Could I perhaps get some guidelines and/or a recommended tutorial/book for helping me git gud at this aspect?

>>3983259
loomis

>>3983259
Have you studied anime heads before? Post a sample of your work so we can guide you better.

>>3983375
Alright, thanks for the help

>>3983384
>Have you studied anime heads before?
No.
>Post a sample of your work so we can guide you better.
Not needed. I'm a complete noob so I would only get laughed at, so I'll save my sorry ass and yourself the embarrassment.

>>3983259
Learn to draw real heads and animu heads will follow. I am 100% serious. Go through Hampton head construction, Huston, and Loomis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOldLWIDSM&list=PL39135B8D190B7C97&index=6&t=24s - watch the three parts of these videos in the playlist. Draw Loomis heads, then go back to anime.

>>3983476
Okay, thank you! I'll check it out.

is there any guide on how to create a 3d anime style?

how am i doing. i don't really know what i'm doing with lineweight, the clothes or coloring or anything really, i kinda gave up. how do i get good?

>>3984708
She looks a bit stiff, anon. Check NMA Steve Huston's lessons on figure drawing, you will definitely see improvement

Huh? Can gaijin use pixiv fanbox now?

>>3984741
Thanks i'll try doing that

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