/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

love the new threadpic

>>3965314
Looks like a Glen Keane drawing of The Rock

>>3965314
Nice op pic

How's this pose looking? I don't wanna line over bad anatomy and I know it's not great.

I can't draw a straight line for the life of me.

>>3965378

>>3965350
Back is better than front. Necks and shoulders seems narrow.

Tried to draw Felix from Fun with a Pencil.

Yeah I know I fucked up with the pen marks when I tried to follow the exact details.

I don't understand what Draw a box mean when he says ghosting your lines.
Do you just not draw at all on the surface?

>>3965398
Yes, swimg your hand very close as if you are drawing the shape but don't actually put ink onto the paper

I did some gestures from proko

Make sure to draw

posted this at the end of the last thread, reposting for new bread.

Drew this between reading Hampton and Dodson and I don't feel right about the foreshortening on that leg. Anything else you guys noticed?

>>3965429
Good. Do it everyday.

>>3965439
Okay

>be somewhat decent at traditional
>try going digital
>complete shit
Did this happen to everyone, or am I just garbage?

>>3965444
Both parts of the left leg look too short to me.

>>3965457
Goseb is here???

>>3965465
I'm here because I fucked off from /v/.

>>3965467
Why? Didn't get along with other drawfags?

>>3965472
I didn't get along with other anons, I just wanted to chill and draw, but last time I made a big fool out of me. and I don't know whether they were drawfags or not, but I was never invited to the /v/ discord so I'm here to rise my drawing power level.

>>3965459
For me it's the other way. I got too used to practice digital (at a /beg/ level) that I can no longer draw on paper.

>>3965475
>but I was never invited to the /v/ discord
Is it really that important?

>>3965479
No, not at all. That wasn't the point. I just need to get better. Because honestly I'm not satisfied with my current ability at my age with the time I wasted on 4chan for over 10 years.

>>3965482
Funny how sillyfag got in but not you

>>3965486
I did that edit because I was bored..

>>3965475
I find it funny how the only tripfag in those threads are marielx

>>3965505
I'm a namefag and it bothers anons.

>>3965459
Drawing in traditional is completely different to drawing in digital
You just need to get used to it

Anyone have any tips on how to draw hair. Animu or otherwise? I just can't seem to get it to look right.

Random question but if a person were to start art late like 20's would it be impossible to play catch up in skill to if they started a decade before? Grinding daily in mind with each scenario. Doesn't matter what art form. Guess an easier way of saying it would be is it possible to grow faster learning things you could have a decade prior.

>>3965459
>be mediocre artist, not quite /beg/ but not good enough for /draw/
>pick up drawing tablet
>absolute shit
>abandon, pick up, realize I'm still shit at digital, abandon repeat
>one day pick up drawing tablet and sit SUPER FUCKING CLOSE to tv, maybe 2 feet away
>suddenly just as good at digital as I am at trad

thoughts?

>>3965509
draw hair that you like until you can draw from intuition then draw hair from imagination
do this until u rule the world

>>3965509
Do you have a pixiv account?
There is a page about 'How to draw' and then you can pick up a subject.
So let's say you want to draw anime hair, click on the people and choose the hair categry.

>>3965528
it's especially bad because I feel awkward drawing people I feel any kind of connection to

>>3965528
Looks decent on its own, doesn’t look like Donald though.

I practice feet since it's a part of the body that I find difficult to draw.

>>3965536
ah, what did I get the most wrong?

heres the ref

>>3965459
Same thing happened to me, don't sweat it, you'll get better at it in time

Proko's advice to break gestures into C curves, S curves, and I (straight) is something that really resonated with me.

I had a hard time trying to focus on gesture and keep trying to draw contour instead when trying to capture totality but an anon (http://boards.4chan.org/ic/thread/3963218#p3964799)) explained to try and capture volume and that will also help capture the meaning.

Anyone have more advice?

Hands are hard. So is hatching.

Idk why drawing humans isn't natural to me. Like I need an intellectual, conceptual understanding of what pose I'm going to do and from what angle in order to do a half decent drawing.

If I go by feel I absolutely will draw trash.

>>3965605
lookin nice anon

>>3965509
Draw a hairline
Then make layer in front of head and one behind the head
Remember to avoid touching the head or going above the hairline

Posted in last thread. Got some good feedback but I want to see if there are other things I can fix

Any tips on this specific piece? There's a hundred things I could improve on, but I'm never really sure where to begin.

Bumping this so that I could see how much wrong went with this picture.

>>3965700
well she's got a dick, for one.

>>3965700
not /beg/!

I posted this before but I just realized how shitty my study was lmfao. Want some feedback on what looks off.

>>3965752
Broken arms
I also can't see dick contour

>>3965758
The trap would have to be packing some heat to see a buldge

>>3965713
>not /beg/
>doesn't know what girls dont have penises
Nah, his place is here.

>>3965752
>Want some feedback on what looks off.

Unironically everything except the right eye, I can see some semblance of AS109 but ultimately the lack of fundamentals still kills it.

also use a proper scanner or something

>>3965776
left eye*

FTFmyself

>>3965459
You need to learn and get used to the feeling of not looking at your hand, + tablet configuration and screen/tablet size can make the process frustrating.
Gets better but you will feel like a retard first days until you get it.


I would suggest:
> Use "force proportions" on the config
if you don't you will draw a circle in the tablet and an oval will apear on screen, that's cause the screen ratio is different

> Get a tablet of size M at least
the smaller the tablet the shittiest the strokes

> Play around with the pen pressure and settings to work with different size/opacity and try to make it feel natural

> Don't assume you need a shit ton of custom brushes
some pros use the default ones even

Silly question but, do you guys think it's possible to be a decent cartoonist without going for the realistic phase in depth? Obviously having learnt fundamentals (form, composition, shade, perspective, etc.) first.

>>3965786
that dog is uncnny. no, i honestly think the amount that goes into realism if you skip it youre going to be lacking too much

Managed to actually add some clothes this time.
Also people seem to be getting annoyed with my shit, so sorry about that.

>>3965713
What is it in your opinion then?

So I just started "learning to draw" but in reallity I'm just messing around. My drawings make me laugh since they are so comicly bad that they are almost good again. I'm trying to draw a low effort dragon right now. You know with 2 S shapes as a body and stuff. Takes about 10 sec to do but I can't decide on a head or rather the shape of the head. Could you guys take 10 sec of your day and draw me the lowest effort dragon you can procure?

just got a tablet today, went thru a couple ctrl+paint vids, and tried my hand at painting for the first time

please be gentle

>>3965816
Learn gesture then human anatomy then animal anatomy then read the gurney book on imaginative realism

This is my first piece of NSFW
Critique?

Any books/ courses on drawing backgrounds for beginners who know basic perspective?

>>3965827
looks good for sketch
now do your best and render it properly

>>3965849
how do i learn how to do that

>>3965836
practice drawing hands and look at them in similar situations, because thats now how they look

>>3965850
There is no secret here you just have to go zoom in in and add the details everywhere based on what you have already made and your abilities. It is tedious busywork but that is what gives it the charm at the end.

I liked this one. I definitely must finish it up.. Probably. I don't know, painting feels very differently from drawing, maybe that's why I don't finish most pieces unless I'm really invested.
But I liked the reference for this one, going to /cgl/ was a good idea

>>3965850
i can't think of better advice other than doing still lifes
take some photo, make a sketch and do initial color blocking (like you did on your pic), then zoom in both on your pic and photo and paint over it, that's pretty much it

>>3965850
Learn to blend values I guess, all your shadows brush strokes have hard edges.

>>3965854
>>3965856
>>3965857
ok thanks for the direction. you guys are always a lot of help, for real. i will go to sleep and get started on this stuff tomorrow.

embarrassingly, i'd say what i posted took me a good 4-5 total hours, if you include the linework. part of that problem rn is that for some reason my hand kept cramping up, which has never happened to me on traditional. but yeah, i feel like i should be working much much faster than that, i dunno. we'll see as i get more used to the technology

...regardless, all that's besides the point, not trying to make any excuses, just sharing my experience so far. more practice to come soon

>>3965652
>don't shade with black or same color hue
instead use flat colors and cell shading until you go for the advanced method
get a good sense of black and white value, then you can try to go for full color+hue
when shading move the hue to analogous colors and darken

go find about some color theory


>>3965652
>>3965752
>your lines are not confident
use less wrist and use more arm/elbow, the longest the stroke the more arm you need to use
wrist is for small details


>>3965827
>>3965850
if I squint my eyes things look good, just learn to blend on soft plane changes and hard edge on hard plane changes
gj overall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oPp6NE4WL8

I’m a complete beginner to values and rendering. I just finished watching the first ctrl paint basic rendering and I tried this. Can anyone help with the biggest errors?

>>3965873
sphere is not sphereical
severe chicken scratch
too much of a jump between colors
cartoony line around shadow
all around lazy

>>3965876
By jump between colors, do you mean the colors aren’t blended enough?

>>3965877
yes

>>3965752
whatcha studying?

>>3965528
>>3965554
redlined some major flaws of the shapes so you can see what's wrong
do some measuring when something looks wrong and don't invent shapes that are not actually there
negative space is as useful as positive, train the eye

>>3965534
>it's especially bad because I feel awkward drawing people I feel any kind of connection to
lmao

I'm a beginner whose main goal is to draw attractive female characters. What do i work on?

>>3965930
everything you need is in the OP
tldr get rid of the symbol drawing, learn perspective, construction, gesture, value, basics of anatomy, color and composition and you are good to go!

>>3965935
Dammit of course its still that...

How much do I train in observational drawing to know when im ready for perspective next?

>>3965949
perspective should be first thing on your list bruh

>>3965963
Really, cause Observation is right above that on the sticky last time i checked.

Did some ink and color studies to get an idea of how the handle the whole picture. How does it look?

>>3965973
First get rid of symbol drawing/ learn to observe then work on geometric and organic forms in perspective at the same time

>>3965700
The fabric is off, which is especially noticeable on the arm and in the slope from tit to back. The fabric on the tit is tight and wrinkles a lot for sexy purposes while the rest of the fabric feels flat. Also, the shading comes off as very superficial with reflected light where it doesn't make sense. Highlights are nice and the shading on the dick is inconsistent with the rest of the body. Light source is dubious.

>>3965700
that's not a multiply brush, is it?

>>3965975
The horn is good but could use more contrast between lights and darks. The eye is a pretty good representation as long as you can get that highlight to be more opaque. Again in the ear you could do better in creating contrast in your shadow and the snout/nose looks deformed.

Good effort, nice line variation anon

>>3965984
Alright I'll see what I can do to add more contrast. I'll try adding more texture in the darker areas with pen as to not add too much black or dark brown. One of the things I'm worried about is having everything look too brown.

Thanks for the advice anon.

>>3965976
What's a good place to learn construction? DrawABox or is there a better resource?

another gesture session

>>3965980
Thanks, I'll try to apply it to the pic to see it.

>>3965981
There is however a mutliply layer to darken some parts, as well as a overlay layer to lighten some parts, but those are only to bring the contrast out, I make them after I'm done with the actual coloring.

>>3965989
Scott Robertson's "How to Draw"
you can try drawabox too, but it's pretty much retelling of this book

Progress is slow but I think I'm at a point that I can actually believe that it's happening which has given me incentive to continue.

There's still a lot wrong, still don't know how to ear and the cheek/jaw is still giving me trouble but I hope it's a case of just grinding, realising where things don't look right and then figuring out how to make them look right.

Definitely would have helped if I had flipped it at different points and not just at the end. Going to move on from this and grind out some more heads.

>>3965790
Don't worry about them man. I like seeing your stuff.

You're a few gradients above where I am and it gives me hope seeing you keeping at it and improving.

Good on you for moving past construction and adding clothes. You should do it more often.

Also try more head and face types. Develop other characters.

I'm in a position where I'm finally getting one of my characters down and I'm both afraid that I wont be able to draw another character and if I did try that I would suddenly forget how to draw my character that I'm finally getting right. It's odd. Don't get stuck in a rut.

>>3965998
i remember pics on the left
nice progress man

>>3965994
try fiddling with the glow in the background to change from the red to more of a yellow to match the yellow lighting on the skin.

Hey anons, used the feedback to fix the neck, breasts, and eyes. Thoughts?

>>3965429
>Proko

is it even possible to draw like Tsukushi ever, if you started as an adult? maybe when im 60?

>>3966074
This looks very awkward, man. You could try passing the head and hair as your style, but the tits look saggy as fuck, arms are skinny and bony, and the body is terrible, she got the looks of an old woman.

Grab the Design Doll program, pose the doll and use it as reference. Also use shapes and construct the form.

>>3966085
How old are you? Tsukushi's main strength is his creativity. You can reach that technical skill in a few really dedicated ears but I don't know about the rest

>>3966091
from nothing to this in a couple of years? come on now, the single best process pics I've ever seen from 0 in a couple of years are the ones were they can copy some anime simple anime render with copcs and make it look cool and 3d

no way in hell anyone can get to his understanding of perspective and be able to create such a great sense of depth with weird creatures and landscapes and clouds in just a couple of years

im 26 btw, started at 24

>>3966096
>im 26 btw, started at 24
then it is possible by the time you are 30, really easy provided you have proper guidance and you practice and study concepts both in art, design and creativity.

>>3966074
It's anime and it's lewd, the work has already been done for you now pick popular characters and you're set.

>>3966096
>no way in hell anyone can get to his understanding of perspective
perspective is probably the easiest thing to get an understanding of, since it's by far the most formulaic aspect of drawing
composition is where you'd get stuck

>>3966096
i mean theres decent technical skill here but like that other guy said, its the creativity that carries this piece.

perspective is one of the first things you learn. perspective made easy nigger. its the lighting and weather that carry this piece

tried to practice backlighting

>>3966097
Not the anon you're talking to, but that reassures me. I'm 27 years old and only started taking fundies seriously this year, so hearing that gives me hope. Thanks, man.

>>3966101
>>3966100
>>3966097
When I say perspective I don't mean simply grabbing a photograph and knowing where the vanishing points go, etc. I mean being able to draw from imagination super complex forms that interpose each other and being able to render in a way that you understand which of those weird forms you've never seen before is far away, whcih one is close, which one is turn side-ways, etc etc, like over here:
>>3966085

Also, pic related. I am currently grinding fundies and studying faces/bodies, I will be a while in that, but if I wanted to do these sort of drawings from imagination what should I practice the most? Is it not advanced perspective? Can one of you niggers that says it's so easy sketch out something like the first pic I quoted real quick?

You guys keep saying it's so easy yet most mangas and comics photobash boring photographed backgrounds, the ones that draw them are squary 2point simple buildings/landscapes.

>>3966088
How can I make the tits look better? I thought they had to be a tear drop shape. Damn, I did build it from shapes but is it really that bad? I see the boney-ness though

>>3965350
Here's another pose I drew with your critique in mind. Let me know what you all think. Too wide? Or better. Does it throw the bottom half off? Hips are still a mystery to me. And I'm still learning to draw with 3d in my mind.

>>3966106
It's just stiff and your linework needs..work. But like >>3966099 said. You've got enough to make it doing that. Most people don't care about skill when they want to see the pp.

>>3966105
have you looked at his work flow? its not as if he inks it out in one go, it has like 5 steps where the first is all squiggles. also wht do you mean? thats literally perspective. like i said red perspective made esy

for this art its just drawing two different perspectives on topp of each other

>>3966116
>>3966105
*ie fish lens

>>3966102
im curious, how do you get that awful banding effect

>>3966116
i'm just saying it's difficult man
i just read perspective for comics, i'm gonna start perspective made easy soon thanks

>>3966119
I think it's a combination of me not knowing how to blend very well and not having a good blending pen
is this any better? i changed the pen settings

>>3966113
Ok, thanks for the feedback. I'll plump up the arms and tits

>>3966119
This is what gets me about /ic, blending is 12-yo deviant tier, banding is 12-yo deviantrat tier, everything between and beyond those is 21-yo deviantart tier

>>3966123
Man it's even worse now that I look at it on mobile
Honestly it might just be the act of saving as png, maybe sai sucks for that

>>3966127
>keeps using deviantart tier
Post your work roastie

>>3966131
post it then

>>3966123
its just as bad man. 16.8million colors and all i got was this banding. anyway my critique is the boobies are huge so should be darkwr cause more light absorbs into them

>>3966096
The Scott Robertson books would probably give you all the skill you need to be his technical level if you did all the exercises well and got regular critique from a reliable source. Then you just need mileage and experience + creativity and good composition skills.

>>3966134
>>3966119
>>3966127
Can you guys explain what the hell is banding?

First time ever I painted something.
I tried to draw the skull from ctrl paint, and I feel like I learned some things, but I don't feel I'll get much out of finishing it.

I've been working on this Draenei for like 4 hours and wanna kill myself.

I've been working on this Draenei for like 4 hours and wanna kill myself.

>>3966142
It's when a gradient has clear "steps" when changing value.

>>3966146
Good shit Anon please finish it!

Why do most artists seem so againt releasing the source files of their art (.sai files, .psd, etc)? Ive seen people ask about them and get refused rudely. They werent even signed or anything when uploaded normally.

>>3966134
I swear I don't see it on my monitor but it's really bad on my phone. Not sure what to do.

>>3966134
>>3966163
Here's an alternate upload, maybe it's 4chan's fault.
https://i.imgur.com/FyDtgXW.jpg

>>3966165
Lmao imgur murdered it, nevermind. I'll stop reposting it now.

>>3966154
feedback pretty pls :<

I just thought of some really nice character design but I’m not good enough to do it justice with my beginner execution

>>3966159
Because those can be misused obviously. Someone can just make a fake account in the artists' name and use said source files to "prove" to others people that he is that artist and thus try to scam people using the artist's identity. Then there is the artists' trade secrets he is using which he would rather not show to the competition to imitate or use for other materials adding some recolors or overpaints.There is more than enough art poaching around the internet already without that. Then they may have more than a single work in one file because it is practical that way and the do not want to share all works those files could also contain notes. Sharing a source file would mea taking a good look about what it contains.

>>3966173
Try it anyways and keep trying make 6 iterations. Character design consists of many steps.

>>3966173

Keep an idea journal with basic sketches so you dont forget anything and you can come back to it when you're better.

is dynamic sketching fine to use if i draw digitally or is there another teaching resource that would be better in this scenario?

>>3966173
What is it? I'll give it a sketch if I find it interesting enough. But I'm still in beg so don't expect much.

>>3966154
>>3966172
Use reference to aid your drawings man, and if you did, then post the reference.

I am a fellow beg but your anatomy seems entirely fucked, nothing really seems right, so it's hard to give critique. If you use multiple references it's gonna look a lot better and it's gonna be easier to help.

Trying to get back into doing gestures after revisiting Hampton and I feel like I have absolutely no idea how to "feel" the form and that I am just putting down lines at random.

Here's sum I worked on after 2 hours of gesture. Really been trying to improve my gesture before I refine the anatomy in my work. Thoughts?

>>3965459
I’ve basically given up on attempting to do linework digitally, why bother when it’s much easier to scan trad drawings and use digital drawing programs for what they’re best for: rendering.

>>3966213
Hampton's all about the energy and flow of the motion, using lines to lead the eye through the pose rather than contour. You've got a good start. My tip for achieving something closer to what he preaches in gesture is focusing first on how things are moving and the perspective lines, if you see something running up draw an upward line. Then identify your C curves and S curves and set those down where you need more clarification. Still, good work anon.

Trying to draw skulls and since the major part of the head is a ovoid form, but is there a way to get that form in perspective so i know i'm building the head right? Since that form doesnt have any corners, i figured i cant use perspective to get it right but wanted to ask just in case.

>>3966227
Thanks for the tips, I'll try to keep them in mind. I think my biggest hurdle at the moment is that I don't really know what to when there are a lot of conflicting gestures. Some gestures are usually fairly easy to find, like going from the thigh to the calf, but in other areas with lots of smaller intersecting shapes I don't really know whether to include them in the gesture drawing or ignore them and go for the overarching simplified motion.

>>3966247
Overarching motion takes precedent, depending on how long you're working you can work into the smaller intersections but the overarching motion should be emphasized further anon

>>3966011
Thanks anon. I'll remember that.

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO USE THE FUCKING CARBON PENCIL WHEN THE TIP KEEPS BREAKING, CAN'T SHARPEN IT, LITERALLY 40 MINUTES SWEATING AND I KEEP BREAKING IT FUCK, THE WOOD IS 10 TIMES HARDER THAN THE LEAD HOW IS IT NOT GONNA BREAK

wip idk what do do but i think my poses are wrong or something?

>>3966256
Have you ever dropped your pencil or been careless with it? Outside forces can cause the lead to break apart inside the wood.

Buy better pencils, or even better, get a lead holder.

>>3966260
i got a lead holder, "4B", staedtler mars technico, somehow it's lighter than an H3 pencil, pretty worthless

can buy charcoal leads to put inside this same holder? or are graphite and charcoal lead holders just not the same?

>>3966221
His left shoulder to bicep area looks fucked
And his right arm isnt foreshortened correctly I think, that hand also doesnt look right
Face is a little flat, since you already have the image digital you could try mirroring it to make errors more obvious

keep in mind im /beg/ aswell so take it with a grain of salt
also heres a hand I havent drawn anything else today

>>3966221
this is like one of those drawings made in exquisite corpse game, if you zoom in on certain parts they look decent, but final result looks like frankenstein monster

trying to lead gesture into construction
>>3965998
good progress, remember to draw heads in varying difficult angles rather than sticking to a slightly rotated forward view

>>3966221
marked some of the major flaws

> 2 sets of clavicles
> 3 armpits, pec is what creates the armpit
> weird deltoid muscles
> 5 thumbs?
> asymmetrical ears/ face

Ok /ic/, I've tried to redo the breasts a few time now. How are they looking so far?

>>3966281
You are polishing a turd. It looks flat and the line art is boring and no amount of time and effort you put into it is going to salvage it. It doesn't look like it was constructed at all, and if it was you've effectively removed all traces of it. Just scrap that drawing and draw something new.

>>3966 Fair enough, ok

>>3966258
A boy is a gun.

>>3966281
NIGGA, it's flat.

>>3966293
O lordie

>>3966258
Blog?

>>3966293
Are you saying this is 4 years of progress or you just drew the character aging?

>>3966293
is this a meme? getting worse with time?

thanks anons

Tried to work on what you guys pointed out, think I'm gonna be studying a lot more from now on
>>3966278
>>3966263

>>3966293
>orc muscle girl
ffw 1y
>cuteish orc muscle girl
ffw 1y
>kawaii orc girl
ffw 1y
>conehead orc girl
3rd has more appeal but i'm also weeb

>>3966305
dont really upload a bunch but heres a devaint art i own : https://www.deviantart.com/cupponoodles/gallery/

whats the best book on hands and feet? theyre what im struggling with the most

Is it okay to just use a regular old mechanical pencil for my studies? Or should I shell out for those pencil sets that have different grades?

>>3966293
I really like how you became more subtle with the tummy and added that tits rendering. However, you could have improved a lot more. You should start doing figure drawing and anatomy studies

>>3966359
>4 month on DA
>7 deviations
>cuteish art
Is this the power of weebbait?
Tell me your secret, senpai.

>>3966384
It works but a 2B pencil would probably be for the best if you're just gonna use one. The strength of pencils is that you can tilt them to get broad, soft lines

>>3966387
idk i kinda wish id have even more of a cartoony style? i really want like a scott pilgrim style but i gotta learn more basics ya know cute girls are really nice to draw tho btw

First time trying to actually render digitally (no previous sketch). Thoughts?

>>3965902
>Lmao
Sorry, yeah I know it seems like I'm making excuses, and all I can offer is another excuse
I have schizo and I "Talked to him" in my head
Even before posting this drawing I had noticed a lot of flaws but felt too awkward staring at Trump's face to continue
Thanks,might redraw today

>>3966384
you can do a lot with just a hb mechanical, id argue you gain specific skills and a good resource control when using just 1 pencil. a lot of loomis is done with just a single pencil. that said i have a full set and its useful for my portrait work.

>>3966432
it lacks the essense of childhood

>>3966438
Not sure if I got what you mean but, better?

>>3966244
I've just started using sqaures to construct the perspective. I draw the box at the angle it needs to be, then I connect the maxilla, then the mandible, then I make the shape of the head with in the box

>>3965855
Should I just erase the legs? I'm not convinced on them. Maybe from that top view the skirt would completely cover them?
It's more of an isometric view than a pure top one though.
But please help. I think all leg positioning looks bad since only a little bit of them sticks out so she looks like a midget.

So I started "Drawing the Human Head" by Hogarth and...it's a pretty intimidating book. I'm not really sure if it's aimed at beginners but I'm gonna try and get through the whole thing.

>>3966281
Thought it was cute so I tried redrawing it, hope it helps in some way

As for your breasts: you can keep that sloped look if you like pointy/torpedo tits but you should try to solve it some better way imo (it will come with increased 3d understanding)

how do i into proportion
pea brain can only remember that body is 4 lengths of a thigh, and halfway point is vagine

>>3966509
For the body I like to base everything off of the waist and elbow relationship, if both of those have a good relationship the legs will be fine at any length within reason (unless you're deliberately making a character with baby legs). For the head I go by the Loomis rule of thirds, that seems like the most appealing and easy way of understanding it. If you really wanna get in depth with porportion do some atudies on the different bones, if you start out with just the bones in the face you're going to understand a lot better. I literally just found out what the maxilla is and it's helping me put the nose, mouth, and eyes into the correct spots with different angles.

did some proko beans

>>3966532
Do some proko Kangaroos.

>>3966491
It's not aimed at beginners, Hograth expects you understand forms and perspective fairly well lol.

>>3966492
Wow, this really helps actually. Thanks for doing that. I can visualize my errors better now. That really made my day! Thanks for doing that anon! Hopefully I'll be back with improvements on a different sketch within the week

practicing some pelvises from ma boi loomis

>>3966435
feeling mentally uncomfortable drawing something cause you have a mental condition doesn't sound like an excuse
just pick another person and learn from the errors on the trump one, keep drawing

>>3966550
Well shit. That''s what I figured anyway. Guess I'll go back to Loomis.

>>3966550
Not if I copy, with copying over and over again I'll surely understand it.

I didn't want to make a new thread for this, but I'm having a problem with photoshop
the pen pressure minimum is really high. as you can tell by the lines I drew, I can only get a thickness of 1 when I manually set the brush size to 1. but this is not an issue with my tablet ats I can achieve 1 or sub 1 sizes in other programs like krita.
is there a setting for this in photoshop?

Getting better at a lot of things, but currently feeling a little stuck.
- Want to get better at always thinking in 3D and always using perspective, unsure where to go.
- Gotta make better lines.
- Proportions suck, unsure what to do.
- Working on foreshortening but I suck.

Gonna keep drilling, I guess.

Is this her Trapezius? Why does it look like a single tendon popping out?

>>3966627
glad to hear youre happy, might i suggest following a bit better construction though? just plan a bit ahead.

-study 3d shapes first, boobs are a balloon for example
-with time, slow your lines doen a bit
-study proportions, mesure shit out
-i dont have a solution but spend more time on your art, really think about each line (its clear i dont, im giving advice im trying to follow)

>>3966633
That's the tendon in the trapezius that connects to the acromion.

>>3966673
Why is it so pronounced compared to the rest of the trapezius? Shouldn't the parts that are connected to the spine of the scapula smooth everything out?

There are like dozens of tendons in the trapezius, right? Can every single one of them pop out on their own like that?

>>3966693
no this rare, its a result of excessive training and lifting shes been stretching her traps and scapula to oblivion

>>3965505
...?

>>3966581
Nigga you practicing Mikeymegamega you ain't fooling nobody. Loomis gives women negative hips.

I'm so shit lmfao.

>>3966717
>negative hip
?????????

>>3966720
yeah but you know what needs to be fixed though. study muscles. are you chinese?

>>3966724
Yes i'm Chinese why does that matter lol

>>3966725
it doesnt, i was just curious

>>3966704
That's good to know. Thank you.

I did this with mouse without undoing or erasing anything
r8

Should I start a blog even if I'm /beg/?

what am I fucking up here? everything seems incorrect but no matter how I try to fix it, it doesn't look even close

>>3966793
I fixed the elongated chin, and I'll be working on the incorrect tilt
but what the fuck else?
also the cheek/eye lines are just reference

>>3966791
Why not? Could be a good way to track your progress or find people to help you out.

Fun with a pencil guy here
Made this man, began as a smug face but the eye shape or jaw didn't allow for that so I made a native american. Can you guys tell me what's wrong? I have yet to study 3D anatomy

Hey /beg/ I'm just now discovering this board exists. Obviously I want to draw. I'm 25 and have 0 experience. So be real, how long does it take to go from 0 to hero? Doing something like the pic related for example?

>>3966824
Depends on talent
Anywhere between 1 month to 60 years

>>3966730
How did you know?

>>3966793
alright, thanks for the critique, /ic/

>>3966850
where the fuck did that line come from

>>3966850
No problem

How exactly should I be studying? Right now I'm on Loomis and I'm copying the examples out of the book. I'm not sure if this is really going to help me in the long run though? Should I just read the book and try to apply it to drawing heads or whatever?

>>3966856
What have you done before? My method of studying was doing loomis + peter han dynamic sketching 1 and doing daily portraits etc to learn heads. Now I’m nearly done and I’m moving to dynamic sketching 2 + anatomy.

>>3966824
Don't listen to this fucking retard >>3966837 talent isn't real and you can't get there in a month. It's different for every person. The amount of time doesn't matter, what you NEED to do is start RIGHT NOW.

And I mean RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Just think about it like this, in 10 years you can have 10 years of experience drawing every single fucking day, or in 10 years you can complain that you didn't start earlier. Just start right fucking now.

You're never too old to start. In fact, since you're older, you'll be more mature and have a better understanding of what you personally need to do to become better. You won't have a retarded ego that gets in the way and makes excuses. You'll know you suck and you'll want to get better. I know people who started when they were 15 and are still shit at your age.

>>3966868
I've done Keys to Drawing, Perspective Made Easy, and a little bit of How to Draw by Scott Robertson, most of Draw a Box and Dynamic Sketching 1.

I never really thought of trying to do two different books for studying at once like you did. I guess that's a pretty good idea.

>>3966824
On average 3-5 years.

>>3966877
That's so long...

>>3966879
not really

>>3966879
ngmi

it IS fun

>>3966886
>that bogdanof on left side
gmi

Anyone else up? I can't fuckin sleep. Help me draw kewl dragons

>>3965314
Small or large muzzle /beg/?

>>3966803
Looks like shit and I feel bad about it
How can I get better at this anons?

>>3966890

>>3966803
>>3966891
>I have yet to study 3D anatomy
that's your problem, don't forget to study artists that you like

Avert your eyes

>>3966895
I will do it, it's just that I'm bothered by how it looks and the way I can't make it look 3D

>>3966896
Oh god, I didn't realize how fucked the right shoulder was

>>3966873
Thanks for the encouragment my friend. I did what you said and started. Spent 15 minutes trying to find my printr cable, couldn't, so I took a snap on my phone. It looks like a 5 year old made it, and I don't know how the fuck the body works. I looked over the /ic/ Wiki and beginner stuff. What's the best shit for people drawing? And mind you, I've never once drawn before, I'm going from 0 to 0.0000001 here so any and all resources on figure drawing would be appreciated.

>>3966899
maybe because you didn't study anatomy yet? gee i wonder

>>3966904
https://mega.nz/#F!sSYAxKqb!f2gWy-eQZJNvRfiUTu1ASA Everything you could need right now is right here, enjoy.

>>3966904
Fastest way to get really good but the second section might lead to burn out if you aren’t dedicated

>>3966890
I'm adding one head after each beer I finish.

>>3966908
I heard that Scott Robertson book is tough, I gotta get it.

>>3966909
Cool, but uh not related to mine.

>>3966918
sorry i'm a little drunk

>>3966904
I'm the person who posted that and this is awesome! I would set a goal like drawing at least an hour a day, then increase that to two and so on. As for what I recommend, while it's very boring to start, I highly recommend drawabox:
https://drawabox.com/lesson/0
ESPECIALLY this Lesson 1 section about mark making and drawing decent lines.
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1

When you first start, it's really tempting to "chicken scratch" out little lines in order to make one longer line (like you are doing in your first drawings), but it's a lot better to just get used to drawing from the shoulder and making one quick and smooth stroke, focusing on the strong having good flow instead of good accuracy. It took me like 60 days of drawing before I discovered DrawaBox and my lines became near instantly better. (Pic related) I wish I would have known about it at the beginning.

I highly recommend it. Even just the first Lesson about drawing good lines. You don't have to do the whole thing to begin with, because Drawing Boxes is REALLY boring. I would recommend spending SOME of your time on "improving" and some of your time on drawing what you actually enjoy, otherwise, you'll get burned out fast but be sure to draw EVERY FUCKING DAY. I'm on day 170+ or so right now of drawing every single day and I am a lot better. Looking back at these old drawings for examples was fun.

>>3965827
>>3965849
>>3965854
>>3965856
>>3965857
>>3965870
Ok. I got work on the rendering today after trying to grok y'all's advice. ive been working on it all day, but I only managed to get done most of the body & arm, and the top area where the slime is coming out of the body, and i havent touched the rest of the slime or the wheel/leg. Good lord do my hands hurt.

any advice is appreciated. im too tired to think of anything specifically to ask about, but feel free to mention anything you think looks especially bad

>>3965790
hey, can i use you drawing in a video im making about this thread?

>>3966906
What about this one?

I’m doing an exercise that involves drawing heads without reference and trying to change parts of it to improve and all my heads feel off somehow and I can’t figure it out. I’ve read heads and hands loomis and studied/ tried to apply it to portraits.

>>3966932
if you post a fucking video about /ic/ I'm going to flag and report the fuck out of it

>>3966936
I'ts still bad but it's better than the other ones I posted

>>3966937
yeah the problem is that you are using mark crilley

>>3966937
try drawing them from different angles. In my opinion, the more you try to draw the same things over and over, the slower you will improve. Also loomis

>>3966936
>>3966906
crab isnt really on the mark, here, anon. My advice is to pick up drawabox or any perspective book. Perspective is literally the foundation for making things look 3D.

>>3966942
I tried drawabox but I had to rest from it, I was grinding lesson 1, but I'll do it again along with searching for books on the matter, thanks.

>>3966940
The only time I used mark crilley was literally when his book first came out 7 years ago but I haven’t been able to get it out of my head despite studying from way better sources, I don’t know what to do, I hate the way I draw default faces but it hasn’t changed despite how much I try in 7 years

>>3966942
I studied the loomis book and the proko covering of it but I don’t know how to apply it to anime and make it look appealing

>>3966938
Why? are you that insecure in your own abilities you special little snowflake?

Some more cylinder study today, iron and snow.
>>3966931
Much better. I think your robot's shape is a bit too complex to render for a beginner though, some parts will have cast shadow on the bot itself if your lighning is from top right.

>>3966957
no, I don't want an influx of fucking newfags

Feels flat to me. Not finished, but the left hand or hand in pocket is pissong me off.

>>3966964
Some of those newfags might stick around long enough to learn a thing or two and actually try to draw, besides what makes you think this guys YT channel is popular?

>>3966967
normies love a birds eye view of 4chan, even if his channel isn't popular, theres going to be minimum 300 views and 300 potential people to flock /beg/

>>3966965
For starters, the lack of shading can make even good drawings feel flat, really. Defining those shadows is a big part of the 3D feeling, though yours isn't completely flat.
The hand of the pocket could be easily fixed by having the thumb outside, that's how people actually put their hands inside short pockets, and make the pocket bulge since there's a hand inside (just indicate it with a few lines).

Also the neck can't be there. Pay attention, it isn't coming out of the center,it looks like her neck is located in her left side. Ironically the other line you put there is a perfect place for the neck.

>>3966971

I didnt even start to shade or render yet, just added a base. I ment the pose felt flat to me.

The thumb i was looking at reference, but my antomy of the hand just feels off. I need to redo the lineart.

The neck i didnt notice tho, thanks dude

Got some more hands here. Really need to draw more.

>>3965628
Thanks bud!

I've been trying to work on my digital 'painting' since I usually only do stuff that has line work.
Still need to fix/finish the shoulders
>>3966988
looking good anon! the only thing I'd keep in mind is that the nail bed should have a bit of a curve

>>3966965
don't take my /beg/ word for it, but i assume this is why it looks flat
also other issues:
neck-shoulder-collarbone area is a huge mess, i can't make any sense out of it
pinky and ring finger on right hand bend the wrong way (should be more towards center of the palm)
left palm is really short, you should not able to see fingers
cap's bill is pointing the wrong way
left horn is pointing the wrong way and doesn't grow out of her head (i assume it's not part of the cap)

Maybe my color choices made this a bit more boring than it should be... she has a colorful, overdesigned dress, but I just like using blue hues since it's supposed to be a graveyard with horror stuff.

Anyway this is my current best drawing, it'll take some time to break this limit.

>>3967017
Ref here.. wait a second, it looks like she's being hypnotized by the lollipop, since it stands out so much.
That wasn't how I intended it when I drew it, she was supposed to be having casual fun at the graveyard with zombies, but I'll take it.
It's way more dark that way, it even made me reconsider sharing it to my FB friends since they'll be like
>Why is anon drawing little girls getting kidnapped?

>>3967017
Ref here.. wait a second, it looks like she's being hypnotized by the lollipop, since it stands out so much.
That wasn't how I intended it when I drew it, she was supposed to be having casual fun at the graveyard with zombies, but I'll take it.
It's way darker that way, it even made me reconsider sharing it to my FB friends since they'll be like
>Why is anon drawing little girls getting kidnapped?

>>3966840
a guess. i think i can tell ethnicity based on art. idk

>>3966887
>he bought into loomis
bog.png

>>3966958
>too complex
now, you're right, but isn't that part of the fun? I feel like I'm learning so much

>>3966908
this is good but you can do these together or out of order, otherwise youll probably burn out

>>3966925
is that cutmans ass?

>>3967030
please never post this image again

>>3966889
>>3966909
>>3966977

>>3966958
>>3967034
I don't think you're in a position in giving adivce.

I thought loomis was a meme?

>>3967007
also have this

Can I get some crit
I think personally that the eyes are off

>>3967070
This is my reference btw

>>3967062
>I don't think you're in a position in giving adivce
why is that?

>>3967075
You're a /beggar/ just like me, why should I listen to your advice?

>>3967070
>>3967071
Everything is off. Draw on lineless paper and stop taking shortcuts: you didn't draw hands for a good reason it seems. At the level you're currently at you should draw bigger, stop symbol and actually do studies instead of taking references.

Any pro-tips how to get down positioning and size of facial features better?

>>3967099
Measuring. It's worked for artists for hundreds of years.

>>3967099
Just learn to observe better and keep correcting it but trying to be perfect to every last detail is a waste of time desu. Why try to copy someone’s likeness exactly when you can just take a picture. Learning design is a better use of time

>>3967097
What do you mean with drawing bigger and stopping with symbol?

>>3967093
why do you even think were the same person? noe tht i look at it i didnt even post art. in fact my only advice was about how to study

>>3967106
Stop symbol drawing. You're drawing what your brain thinks what the thing looks like instead of actually drawing what's there.

>>3967099
Use positive/negative space to see the shapes better, use plumb lines to test the accuracy, use a mid size shape and use it to measure proportion with the other ones, check the angles of the shapes/lines are the same


>>3967106
> (not that guy but i'll answer anyway)
Drawing small is a result of being intimidated of a big canvas/paper space, you think big errors are more evident and go small

Symbol drawing is when you don't actually draw what you see, you replace it with an icon/idea you already had in your head


- r e a d - t h e - s t i c k y -
>>1579290

>>3967099
>forgot to attach an example of plumb lines
>>3967112

>>3966717
>thinking that Mikeymegamega didnt learn from loomis
ngmi

>>3967105
Because portraits are all about capturing a likeness idiot. And to do that, everything has to be proportionally correct even if you draw them in an expressive style. Its not a waste of time when you can literally build a very successful career out of creating portraits as many artists have done.

Use the sight-size technique to make sure you lay down the proportions accurately like John Singer Sargent did. This doesn't mean you're not also "designing" your drawing.

>>3967007
>>3967007
>>3967007
Could also use some tips for rendering hair

Why is loomis shilled when Reilly is more detailed?

>>3967116
Who’s making a career out of doing exact portraits without stylizing them? Unless you’re going for realism or hyperrealism, focusing on making your portraits perfect is a waste of time you could spend working on anatomy or rendering

daily gesture warmup

>>3965314
See picture

>>3967225
The length depends on how much of the face is facing towards us. Practice until you internalize these things

Did this stuff today. Pretty proud of the head on the far left side.

>>3967261
Also did gesture and tried to figure out Loomis' motion thing.

>>3967261
>>3967264
More Loomis studies. At this point I realized I needed to work on perspective because Loomis' way wasn't clicking for me. (Note the fallen NGMI on the far right.)

>>3967261
>>3967264
>>3967266
Started work on Robertson by doing cubes. I hesitated for a long time on Robertson because I couldn't make heads or tails of his explanation of perspective.

finished what i posted a couple of days ago

>>3967225
it should be touching near the hairline

>>3967293
You could make this become acceptable if at least you fixed her face. Just holy shit anon, the hell is up with that chin.

>>3967293
>Bellona the canopena

I laughed way harder than I should have.

>>3967062
>>3967075
Everyone is in a position to give advise on /ic/ especially in /beg/ and everyone else is free to disregard it. This isn't school or nor the army where you need to be "qualified" to do something.

>>3967261
>>3967264
>>3967266
>>3967269
not /beg/

>>3967327
is it really that bad? i know it's pointy, but doesn't feel like unacceptably so
maybe i spent too much time on it so even mirroring doesn't help
>>3967366
huh?

>>3967414
her chin is a canopener.

>>3967414
My dude, it's a fucking deviantart face that completely ruins everything, her head is also tiny. There's also a bunch of anatomical mistakes, but I don't have time to fix it, so here. I gave her a japanese shadman face and two lines in her bust. It's all I can do with my /beg/ skills.

t. dude that drew the futa radiohead specter tenebra

>>3967429
Also, here's a side by side comparison with the fix, like I usually post.

>>3967429
now she kinda looks like that oink cosplayer
anyway, thanks, i guess i'll keep trying

>>3967448
It's not a bad picture anon, just the face was terrible. You are better than me drawing clothes and stuff. If you post it with the fix I made, anons on /e7g/ will probably like.

>>3967437
move he ear down

>>3967429
>>3967437
>>3967293
here is my take

>>3967484
ah, this one is way better that mine and shadmanned one

>>3967491
There you fucking go anon, I've made my last changes to my shadpig and added >>3967484
face to the pic. You can now be the proud owner of multiple bazoongas, now go post this shit on /e7g/.

What's a good way or exercise for drawing proportions correcly?

Currently drawing the pretty women in Fun with a Pencil, but got trouble drawing their faces and bodies correctly.

Any proportion advice? I rarely draw fullbodies so I suck.

>>3967293
Somehow you became a professional at coloring before mastering the rest, though you're not that far off. The face is almost correct really, it's just a matter of messing with it for 5 minutes. There should be 1 eye of distance between the eyes and the jaw can't be that straight and pointy and you're set to do Visual Novels

>>3967533
font

>>3967570
Ikr it's strange how they are so good at everything else, They just need to spend a few weeks on faces and they are pretty much not /beg.

>>3966950
stop drawing anime for now

>>3967756
I figured out my problem. I moved to the Reilly method and learning the planes allowed me figure out the views.

>>3967726
Shiny rendering distracts beginner and non artists from the shitty sketches underneath. It doesn’t that long to learn rendering. I watched a few vids and play around with color and I can make stuff that looks shiny decent. Focus on making your drawing skills decent and rendering will take less than a month to be good at.

AHHH I FEEL LIKE A PEDOPHILE (should I finish this?)

New /beg/ thread >>3967812

>>3967801
Dude yes, it's really good. But maybe your bodies and clothes aren't as good as faces? Take time to properly finish it, maybe look at references. This can look /draw/ tier if you don't fuck up the body.

>>3966146
finish it man pls it looks like it has promise my dude

>>3965650
the line of the left tit and the left armpit should either line up or be the same line. If you look at real boobs as reference you'll see that the pectoral muscle part of the armpit connects it to the breast

>>3966491
>>3966550

Hogarth is the ONLY one who actually explains EXACTLY how much back of the head you should add to the portraits that you are drawing not just feel it bullshit.

>>3965314
help me /beg/ im starting to draw good but i dont know what i did like im just drawing as ever but good and i not talking about one drawing i have made like 30 heads from imagination and all of them look alright