/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Why am I so bad at drawing bros

>>3959167
We don't have the gene so we have to make do with practice and study

I tend to do my practice right before bed which probably isn't the smartest idea. I feel rushed to head to sleep. Gonna try to complete it earlier tomorrow.
These faces came out ok; I think I did worse than last night but practice is practice.

Took on some advice from last thread and while it's not perfect it's better than those stupid heads I kept drawing.

>>3959235
My favorites are 3 and 4, very funny.

Feel kinda depressed.. I mean, I suppose to draw something everyday in order to progress(even if i had no Idea where exactly to start) but everytime a draw a shitty scratch, just put down the pencil and leave until a couple of days even a month and try again..

Okey ill just draw some shitty draw of something that i feel comfortable to begin.. but thats not the best way to improve I need to encorage & learn about my mistakes (how many I have?, where to start then? Gesture?, Proportions?, Construction?), that deeply feeling of insecurity dont leave me alone..

>>3959277

What should be my thought process or what should I be focussing on while doing a figure study ?
I always get lost or don’t know where to go, questioning if this is really helping me because I don’t really have a direction to follow

>>3959290
this dris great. otherwise I would try to build things from simpler objects and laying the outline on top of it, it would make the drawing feel a lot more genuine..posting my examples

>>3959296
great shading as well

>>3959297
meant for >>3959290

>>3959300
I do it like this.. gesture, basic construction, refining construction a bit to get the shapes down a bit better, outline and refining things and then shading and color on top of it.. hope this helps, find some tutorials online for construction drawing and get some references of actual drawings of figure studies by artist
cheers

Do you guys ever have to fight back tears because you see what you want to draw in your mind and then look at what you're actually capable of drawing?

I do.

>>3959302
posting some tutorials so you get a better idea of what I mean

>>3959307
>>3959303, no one woke up and knew how to draw well, you have to produce a lot of bad drawings to get better

>>3959308

wtf why is beg so pro today stop it STOP IT STOOOOP

>>3959312
imo the only difference between a pro and a beginner is that a pro masters the basics and builds from them, while a beginner tries to emulate the pro by following his linework and disregards / does not know how to use basics to work for him

>>3959329
posting some learning material that I found inspiring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5nvzsslajk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBf5Q-7BdHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzydK56tr9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVn205YsQhY&list=PLcfejZNACK8fHe1Chf4uKTyCrldQkOYuY&index=4&t=0s

>>3959296
>>3959297
>>3959300
>>3959302
>>3959307
>>3959308
Thanks a lot for this detailed answer :)

>>3959334
np man, I learn myself while I type it out gl

>>3959329
but why are all the basics SO COMPLICATED

>Want to draw hot guys
>Have no interest in rocks, boxes, trees, animals, or objects
>If I only draw hot guys I won't be a real artist
>If I only draw hot guys I'll suck forever
Just kill me already

So, I've started Love Life Drawing's little YouTube lesson, which begins with drawing the motion line over models (their exercise is doing this on newspaper sports pages) and then moving onto gesture after. Is this a good method you think, to start building some figure drawing foundations?

Did a hair cylinder today.
>>3959360
I have to do all these material studies before learning to make anime girls. It's boring and hard at first but when I get better it kind of fun now.

>>3959336
I followed your advices and did something more constructed,
Far from perfect but I still felt a lot more confident while doing it !

>>3959249
Is this from reference? you should draw from reference....

It feels like you slowly start to understand certain aspects but the form still isn't there. The keystone is set in place with a too steep angle, messing up your nose. I dunno if this helps...

Did I already link this to you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

Think I'm getting the head drawing chapter in Michael Hamptons Figure Drawing Design and Invention book down. It says to learn the general proportions first before playing with them to make what you want which is fair but it doesn't tell me some key measurements such as how big the eyes are and if the sphere is 2/3rds the head when why when I add the centerline to establish the last 3rd for the jaw the head looks too long?

>>3959423
>d if the sphere is 2/3rds the head when why when I add the centerline to establish the last 3rd for the jaw the head looks too long?
??????????/


just measure it yourself or find a different reference

>>3959432
Book just mentions learning the general proportions first so i figured it teach me those of a geneeic head before attempting to use real life reference since every head is different.

>>3959434
loomis covers this

20 mins from real life

>>3959443
also 20 mins from real life

>>3959397
Ahem.

>>3959355
they are not, but you need to grind them for some time to get a hang of things. use references and remember that drawing is more or less tree things, square, circle and triangle. In the beginning you should focus on basic forms, take note of perspective and basic proportions and you can start building other things. take a look at the tutorials I posted earlier and try to copy what you see, the basic idea behind it and you will progress

>>3959390
try to follow through with the forms, as shown in
>>3959308 and >>3959307, you can always erase the shapes and forms underneath afterwards if you want. Ogres have layers donkey

>>3959443
good shit

Proportion are not great but the pose was a bit advanced so i had to get out of my comfort zone. I mostly did this for the values tho. Critiques ?

any advice and/or critique that someone can give please?

First attempt at Loomis Head. Used blue color pencil and a brush pen.

>>3958292
>>3958292
>1. Techniques
>drawing abilities cuh as tool handling and accuracy

is there more than moving your hand from the shoulder rather than the wrists?

Trying to post again in this new thread, can someone point me to some good resources on charcoal techniques? All I can find isn't super helpful, I feel like i'm non getting the most out of the medium by just blending like this

>>3959494
Some other experinents

>>3959482
Yes
Real masters can jerk you off in three seconds

>>3959501
you're joking, but if there is actually something more about pensil holding and such would be nice if you could point me towards a video or something about it desu

This was a concept for Zelda and Shiek wielding keyblades. I quickly sketched it without reference so I know that has to be redone, but my main concern is that it is too stiff. Even when I use refs they're stiff. I do gesture practices but how would I make this piece look less stiff?

>>3958434
>>3958269
Okay I tried again but this time just with shapes. I hope I didn't repeat the same mistake. How did I do?

Also, I appreciate you guys helping me out. Sorry for the late replies, I can only practice my drawing late at night.

>>3958434 (Cross-thread)
>>3958269 (Cross-thread)
Okay I tried again but this time just with shapes. I hope I didn't repeat the same mistake. How did I do?

Also, I appreciate you guys helping me out. Sorry for the late replies, I can only practice my drawing late at night.

>>3959161
I'm having a try at single-line hatching. How do I know which way to make my lines point? Do they have to be straight?

>>3958678
Alright, I've made some changes based on some input. Does it look like shoujo manga art? I made some extra details and shading so it doesn't look too flat and changed that generic open mouth expression.

>>3959527
Hallelujah brother, you finally did it. Now don't draw that disgraceful butt ever again.

>>3959547
Thanks! Now I'd like to hear what the other anon thinks.

I've also started making these shapes a part of my sketching proces. Saw this image on another thread and decided to give it a go.

guess its time to move on to the ol 250.
wish me luck forum

>>3959622
You're not drawing the lines fucking parallel or straight

>>3959634
why do people completely unfamiliar with Drawabox always feel the need to chime in?

Yaw

I'm interested in painting something similar to this. Any tips on how to go about it? What kind of techniques could I look up? What materials would be best to use?

>>3959646
What is this?

How does this look like? I'm not sure about the obliques. The book shows obliques and rectus abdominus not touching but it looks like they do in reference.

Did this in 45 mins. using this pic (>>3939783) as reference. Probably has quite a few mistakes in it, and didn't quite capture the flow of muscles.

Also, it feels like a JoJo pose to me, which is kinda fun.

>>3959646
futurama?

>>3959646
What drawing tablet do you use?

>>3959527
The arms look a bit short now, you would probably raise the ribcage a bit and lower the elbow contact point, for the arm that is near us, but that is minor and irrelevant, you fixed the torso, and that is the relevant part.
>>3959551
One tip, when you're drawing an ellipse around a cylinder to show form, please draw all the way through, to make sure you're curving it correct. If you end up with too many lines, then you can always erase and or draw on a new layer on top of it, but while sketching, draw through.

>>3959235
these look better than the shit you've been posting before, move on to other exercises, the entire book is for beginners

asked on the last thread and didn't get a reply, let's try again:
What traditional material can I use to draw with thick strokes/value, instead of lines? Any tips on how to use charcoal sticks? When I lay it sideways I have absolutely no control of it, instead of getting a thick stroke, I simply get two parallel lines.

>>3959768
sharpen a pencil like so, you'll see a lot of people do it for gesture drawings and such
works better on colored waxy pencils I think, no idea what they're called
check out Proko, he does it a lot

>>3959778
I appreciate it, but no matter how many times I try I can't get that method to work. I waste a LOT of time trying to just cut the pencil like that, sometimes I break the tip. When I finally get it, when it's time to draw, I still fuck it up and get pointy lines on the edges. Is there anything out there actually designed to draw thickly and evenly? Which is soft and can be layered over and over until the desired darkness is achieved?

>>3959794
can't say I know of anything else, but I've heard that it does take some getting used to
to make sure one side doesn't get worn down, try and rotate the pencil as you draw so it wears down evenly

>>3959308
Where is this from?

did anyone else start crying when they realized they were finally getting it, just did a drawing and had a take a step back

When doing value studies should you put the original image in grayscale? Or is it better to keep it as is?

>>3959527
Gmi tier. Though, think twice about perspective. The feet should be smaller and the upper body bigger.

Most consistent plan on learning to draw? Main goal is drawing comics if that means anything.

>>3959855
Draw one hour a day for 3000 days

>>3959870
If I do 6+ a day what does that do

Trying to gain back the days where I didn’t draw. It seems I have trouble keeping proportions consistent.

>drawabox tells you not to draw with wrists
>spend a lot of time practicing drawing from my shoulder exclusively
>watch peter han videos (the guy drawabox gets all its material from)
>half of the time he's only using his wrist

>>3959892
Also practicing creepy evil grins.

>>3959897
Drawing with wrists only is completely viable and great for drawing precise details, but you need your shoulder to make broader, cleaner strokes, because these movements with the shoulder are not limited by where your wrist is resting on the canvas. It’s ok to keep using your wrists if you just want to get to the fundies.

>>3959905
well im at the point where i see the obvious benefits of using my shoulder. but I don't think it's necessary for me to continute completely avoiding use of my wrist. although Im not at a point where the fine details matter that much yet anyway.

>>3959892
It is like you cut off the top of the pelvis, the iliac crest is above the point where the legs connect to the pelvis.

When is drawing going to be fun again? Why is anatomy so hard? When will I feel the glory of gods love

>>3959675
me:)

>>3959702
intuos 2019

>post one single drawing
>"um sweetie you need to go to beg"
i fucking hate my life why do i even do this

>>3959897
did you even read what drawabox says, or did you skim it and jump into the exercises

>>3960097
I've always learned to draw from the shoulder, I can't seem to get any accuracy in my work though. I can't draw what I see and I feel it's more to do with poor hand-eye accuracy rather than symbol drawing issues. Any advice?

>>3959161
Decided to draw a fox to study how they could help me with my furry drawings. Tell me what you think, or "critique" if you will.

is it better to read loomis first or drawabox?

>>3960110
Loomis. Drawabox won't get you very far when it comes to figure drawing, it's really just a bunch of exercises for brushing up on your fundamentals and polishing skills, but not good as a starting point.
In my opinion anyway.

>>3960105
drawabox really hammers in scott robertson's 'ghosting' technique. the idea of separating markmaking into three distinct steps, first planning out the mark you want to make, then ghosting through the motion and finally making it with a confident stroke. this has helped me to improve my accuracy while still getting smooth strokes from my shoulder.

https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/ghostedlines

>>3959161
S
sheep

>>3959161
Here's a drawin I drew in my style.mine is right.

my autism is flaring because my sketch isnt 1:1 with the ref
should i try again or just focus on practicing values like im supposed to be doing?

>>3960173
>my autism is flaring because my sketch isnt 1:1 with the ref

Not an answer to your question but I'd like to know how to deal with this feel. I hate drawing from reference cos I'm always off by either a lot or just a tiny bit and I can never be satisfied.

>>3959980
does anyone wanna critique this crap

>>3960176
Try to draw something like the reference instead of literally drawing the reference

Drawn from refs. I'm doing the loomis head method and I'm not sure why they're turning out like shit each time. Should I work on making blank loomis heads? Eyes, nose, and mouth instead? I'm at a loss here and hoping someone can help.

>Memorize the most important bones and muscles in the body and where they are
>Still suck at drawing them
Was there even a point to doing it?

What's the minimum wage/hour you can earn money doing drawing at a /beg/ level?

>>3960137
>https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/ghostedlines
INteresting, I'll give this a go. I seem to lose all my accuracy when drawing from ref and I've worked at it a lot, still no massive improvement. I want to draw from ref to learn but it's going so poorly. Maybe this'll help

>>3960199
You don't need construction if you have reference. Draw what's right in front of you. Construction is when you don't have reference. You're adding extra work and complication when you don't need to.

>>3960204
If you're a beginner, working should be the least of your concerns.

>>3959443
It's not bad, but is there a reason why you're avoiding curves, and drawing everything as straight lines?

>>3960105
Drawing from the shoulder is ONE way to draw. If you're doing detail work, it's perfectly fine to rest your hand on the table and draw like that.

>>3960212
I mean, I can't do anything right in life. I draw as a hobbyist but I'm a /beg/ level, but I wish I know how to do business with drawing, if possible, but I get told to not shill my pixiv because it's makes me look desperate.

>>3960204
Like a dollar per week
Maybe two if you advertise well

>>3960222
No way you can live with less than a buck per week?

>>3960210
Really? I figured you'd need to do loomis all the time. Thanks anon.

>>3960210
Is this true?

tips? drawing in digital is so fucking hard

I was trying to draw cute anime girl
How did this happen

>>3960108
Picture I was referencing.

Right ear is too big and head is not at the corect angle also couldn't get the eyes right. Any others I missed?

>>3960259
Are you using a drawpad anon? if so put some paper between the pad and the pencil to give it a rougher feel, You've got most of the skull right the British teeth give it a classic feeling.

>>3960266
read the sticky

>>3960272
Already have done buddy.

>>3960272
Oh the thread "sticky" not the board sticky...ok.

>>3960270
ahh much better

Any tips on this? I think the hand is too small and maybe the other arm too is too small?

>>3960258
Of course it's true. A lot of the anons who tell others to do it all the time have no real art education, so they think it's what you do all the time. If you have reference, just establish the major landmarks, and work from there, measuring as you go.
It can help in the beginning if you can't quite work something out, but you really don't need to.

>>3960154
looks good but the hands are small and the forearm seems to have an exaggerated curvature

>>3960288
Learn to listen to your instincts. What you decide is what's correct. If it feels off to you, change it.

Trusting your instincts as you develop them is important - and the best way to see how your instincts are developing, is to try it. You could get 20 different opinions from everyone here, but at the end of the day, it's what you think.
My teacher in college said "if you can't put your work on the wall and defend every decision, then you're not done." It doesn't sound like you can defend the arm and hand, so...

>>3960294
Welp I love this response. I should be sure of my work before posting it.

>tfw to intelligent for scott eaton

>>3960288
tiny hands

>>3960148
very cute

>>3960236
of course not, he is telling you you cannot make a living of art if you're /beg/

there are good artists out there who can't make a living or barely scrape by

>>3960289
I struggle drawing what's in front of me, but can't quite figure out why. I don't think I'm symbol drawing, but I have a hard time making things look accurate.

Started to try and do some fish eye

>>3959235

>>3959760
Thanks. I feel like I could use a lot more practice with making free-hand circles and curves so I've just been locked on doing the early face exercises. Not sure if I should move on just yet.

are those faces only an introduction or do i need to master them before moving on to the big boy stuff?

>>3960288
Try making only right forearm and hand bigger. IF we look only at the legs and compare them to the left arm we can see that it is more or less the right size within perspective implied by legs.

The other problem is that facial features are pretty flat.

¿Critique?

>>3960445
judging by your work you can jump

How many hours do I have to practice my art before I can draw passable memes?

>>3960448
arm is almost as long as the leg, try to shorten it or lengthen the legs

>>3960448
qt I love the sword design

How can I improve?

>>3960461
Sauce on image?

>>3960463
Grind the fundamentals. It's boring but it really, really helps. Read the sticky if you need more info.

>>3960259
I recognize that skull. Did you get the reference here?

>>3960464
"Basic Drawing - Girls" in the nips books
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

>>3960445
They're just meant to introduce you to the concept of building complex shapes from simple ones I think, and it looks like you got it. (La prossima volta scala l'immagine o posta uno screen però! Buon lavoro)

>>3959161
Gee willikers I sure am happy with how this fox chewing a belt turned out in color , hope no one critiques me and tells me its shit and gives me constructive advice.

>>3959355
Perspective is a bit of a mindfuck, but once you can imagine and manipulate simple 3D shapes in your head and transfer them to paper, everything gets much easier, you can even cheat perspective a bit.

>>3959303
Drawing will always be a struggle in some way or another. You will always be fighting to get the image from your head to the paper, and even at a "pro level", though you grasp the fundamentals and has done a bunch of cool drawings before, you can still fuck up in the process of a new drawing. You can only do it so many times you just know how to fix mistakes, and you know you can do it, you kinda know how it's gonna go. Everytime you draw something out of your comfort zone you have to figure out how to do it, almost from zero.
Some people just love drawing so much they churn stuff without thinking, some people like the challenge instead of feeling intimidated. You kinda have to learn to enjoy the process. It helps to know that you will put out a lot of stinkers, and sometimes masterpieces, and that is to the best of your skills of course. What Leyendecker considers a stinker of his would still be some awesome painting to us.
So, if you draw once in a blue moon because you're afraid you will suck at it, your chances of coming up with your masterpiece will be slim, but if you draw a shit ton, you will put out lots of stinkers, sure, but also a lot of masterpieces.

I think this was the video that finally made me realize you never get to a level where you just know everything.
... it's 3 hours long though.
https://youtu.be/SK4i5uQR74o

Here's Even Amundsen doing what he does, but what is specially great about this video is at 9:21, where he gets to what for us would but a great finished piece, but it doesn't quite match what he had in mind. So he scraps that version and paints it all again from an earlier version.
https://youtu.be/G1bNvYu6bT4?t=9m21s

>>3960464
Get Loomis-Figure drawing for all it's worth instead. Same principles but with better measuring landmarks and it's on a language you can actually understand. Why try to decipher the instructions when you can just read them?

I tried some charcoal

>>3960421
You're trying to run before you learn to crawl, anon.

>>3959817
Learn to translate color to greyscale in your head. It's a bitch at first, but it will teach you way more than having the computer do it.

>>3959794
I personally don't bother. If I need to use the side of the lead (rare), I use the solid graphite pencils i have. Or, you can try the 5.6mm lead holders.

Also, the better (more expensive) pencils break less. I'd never try that on a yellow school pencil, it's cheap clay filled crap, that would snap while cutting it like that.

>>3959910
You can use your wrist, shoulder, and elbow. It's completely situational. Even the greats used painting sticks to rest their hands on, doing detail work on vertical canvases. They are often called "mahlsticks".

>>3959897
Are you talking about sketchbook drawings? On a small sketchbook or tablet there's no point in drawing with your shoulder. No art teacher tells you do draw from shoulder only to begin with, it's always draw big stuff with your shoulders and elbow (your wrist doesn't have to be locked), draw the common way with your wrist on small, precise details.

>>3960532
It's just one of the things some of the anons grabbed onto here and think it's the only way to draw. This place is full of bizarre nonsense like that, like "artists don't use rulers", or "artists don't use erasers", or "artist draw everything from imagination perfectly the first time". I get some of the anxiety, I remember being new in college too, but the amount of "is this the right way to hold a pencil" and "Is this the right pen to buy" or any number of anxiety posts over things that don't matter. And then they wonder why they're so worked up, they can't draw. They're so terrified that they might make a mistake, they can't move.

>>3960478
>>3960449
thanks for the advice

>>3960090
The proportions work, but the pose is stiff and flat. You need more gesture and construction in your work.

>>3960421
Stick to 1-3 point perspective for now.

>>3960448
You need more consistent head proportions, the head drawings look like a new character every time.
The form is also weak.

>>3960213
the model was a fucking stick, no curves whatsoever

Started training my accuracy and its normal to still get proportions incorrect at first, right? It will take a while before things start looking right?

>>3960288
Good job at pushing your boundaries with these Necrololi Anon. We know the perspective isn't accurate but it is... okay(?) I guess for the sake of styliziation.

Here is how I would adjust although not very different from yours.

>>3960627
you answered your own question you moron.
do you expect people to be gods at something the first time they try it?

>>3959827
Thanks for pointing that out, I knew something was off.

>>3959712
Alright, thanks for all the help. Much appreciated

>>3959468
focus on making nice lineart than coloring

>>3959622
it looks so clean it seems better than it really is

>>3960173
use eraser on shitty lines

>>3960627
Might as well include some.

>>3960661
Just making sure.

>>3960210
the stupidiest of today
you want to replicate later that ref, not just copy
you want to know which shapes to use to build it

>>3960670
Do you think someone uses construction for landscape drawings? no? why's that? BECAUSE ITS RIGHT THERE.

>>3960659
that sack looks like a weird dick

>>3960672
>people never construct rocks
do you learn from youtube tuts?
the pros which dont need construction anymore?
construction helps you keep everything close to how it would be

>>3960675
Rocks are complex shapes, perhaps the most complex shape in nature save for the elephant man's face.

>>3960148
More of this cute sheep

>>3960467
yes

What is the recommended reviewing and putting-review-into-practice for the 250 boxes challenge?
The video's answer pretty much boils down to "if you see a mistake, try to fix it," which is very nebulous at best.
(I know about the extending lines part, what I want to know is what do I look for in doing that aside from "oh this line is off and it should be more like that," that's also pretty nebulous.

>>3960522
>>3960557
Nothing wrong with trying something you can't do once in a while

>>3960775
When I was doing it and I got more comfortable I coukd see mid box drawing what I was doing wrong. How many have you done? I even think the 250 is less than you should be doing, you should be doing a lot of these boxes to really get the feel of moving your pencil around a 3d space, you'll understand it and how to review just keep doing it

>>3960799
Sure, but there's no point in trying to build a rocket when you don't know enough engineering to build a calculator.

>>3960821
>building a rocket is in the same category as building a calculator
/ic/ in a nutshell

DAE use timelapses to motivate yourself? I've always loved watching speed paintings on Youtube, it's really satisfying. Recently I got a screen recorder and it has helped me keep drawing and put more work in because I can go back and watch my whole process. Idk it's pretty fun.

>>3960810
Just hit 50 boxes

Any concrete advice?

>>3960833
i like it to see but it is so hard to find a good speedpaint made in firealpaca

>>3960445
progress after 10 hours grinding

How does one prevent this problem from happening, where the top and bottom converge to different heights?

>>3960889
All lines converging towards the same vanishing point must follow a grid of lines, as soon as they don't a correction must be made.

Working on this. It was looking very androgynous earlier, I've tried to make her look more feminine. Her right eye looks a bit weird, I tried fixing it but I can't get it quite right.

Feedback appreciated :)

>>3960889
Use a ruler or the straight line tool in your painting program. The vertical lines just go straight up and down. Remember all lines have to meet at the vanishing points.

>>3960842
learn to draw a box before grinding whatever it is you're drawing atm.
Check out 'how to draw' by scott robertson.

>Draw rose
>Shade it
It's shitty but i like it
>Give it to my mom
>She smiles

Feelgoodman

>>3960975
post it

>>3960923
1. The pupils/irises are too large. They're anime sized. Is this intentional?
2. Eyebrows are typically not block shapes. They're hair. They have a structure. They typically start with sparse hair, build up, then taper off. Unless they're doing sharpy brows, or clowns.
3. The hair is a complete cop out. Treat it as seriously as the rest, it has volume, shape, and has defined edges.
4. Work on your line quality. You're doing short line segments, which is jarring and not pleasing to the eye. Try to draw long, flowing lines, especially on contours. Rotate the canvas, if you need to.
5. Pay closer attention. The nostril is pure symbol drawing, nobody's nostril is shaped like that. You're doing a common beginner mistake of trying to use the shadow and the upper contour of the nostril as a shape. And, at that angle, you'd see the edge of the other one.

Can I ask why you're drawing in red? I think black and white would be better for you, as you'll be able to see the lines and shapes better. It's not that important, but it's not going to help you in any way.

It's a good attempt. Pay more attention, draw what's there, not what you think is there.

>>3960288
>Pokespective
Well that's really nice thanks, I think I'll follow through with it, it'll also help me get a cleaner drawing instead of trying to erase and correct anymore on this one

>>3960659
>Pokespective
Well that's really nice, thanks! I think I'll follow through with the redline this time, that way I get a cleaner drawing instead of erasing anymore on the one I have

>>3959277
understanding the 2d projection that we receive through the eye is the underlying principle of visual arts. increasing your innate proficiency in it will always lead to "progressive" improvement in how you abstract shape and form. gesture proportion construction all require perspective to align and twist the intuitive forms you've built in memory. mind you it is good to do a little of each, but i believe geometry is the key.

>>3960173
>>3960176
unless the goal of the study was to improve detail or dissect a composition/technique it may be more bountiful to move on. i agree with >>3960192.

>>3960460
you are already there anon, but i hope you always retain the desire to improve.

>>3960506
amazing anon, but what advice do you want? if you are trying to photocopy, compare to your ref and if they are not the same you must return. if you are trying to construct the fox you need to place a composition of derivative shapes which align to the form of the fox in a given perspective, to build it from low complexity to high(its harder the other way around, for me at least).

>>3960833
i have been keeping my eye open for something which is free, fast and just screenshots in adjustable intervals to exports to gifv or webm, but haven't come across one naturally. does yours do this, do you have recommendations?

>>3960556
it's shit

does this look okay?
wanted to draw it in like 5 minutes or less but ended up on exactly 30; trying to get into the habit of sketching stuff I find cool alongside my fundies

>>3959689
You'll probably find this video helpful, it explains the obliques pretty well. At around 1:58 you can see their motion pretty well, which aids greatly in understanding them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUHjijIsvgg

>>3961075
I've been using Cafe Recorder. Works for me.

fuck this piece of shit polished turd. Gotta work on noses, ears, lips, color contrast, shadows, color theory

Does doing all those anti-symbol-drawing exercises (upside contour, negative space, etc) actually improve my ability to see what I need to see in a ref? Or is it just a gimmick to show newbies what they're doing wrong? I'm trying to improve my ref accuracy and I'm not sure if I should be doing these exercises daily or if it's just a one-off demonstration thing.

Drew a mushroom, specifically tried to replicate a morchella elata, I know the stem is way too long for the species and a bit too skinny, and thr texture looks a bit randomized in spots and too small

>>3961129
Yeah it looks okay, as long as tou keep doing what you're doing you'll be good

ctrl z gives me anxiety

>>3961230
Looks like a downie desu

>>3961129
decided to do it again in fineliner and use some markers, this is probably the best thing I've done so far, or at least what I'm most pleased with

>>3961129
i like the concept, but the eye holes are too smol

any resources or guides for someone new to using a tablet?

>>3961370
second that

>>3959161

elf warrior. idk what to think about this one because I'm proud of the finished product (very beg, only been drawing for about 6mo) but it's very clearly fucked up in enough ways I'd need to redraw it entirely

>>3961370
>>3961418
literally just draw you'll get used to it

Any tip/tutorials about cross-hatching in digital drawings to learn?
I keep getting pushed away by /v/ because I suck, so I have to improve, the problem is I haven't improved for YEARS. I know you need to get a better mindset to find self-improvement, because I like to draw and I have fun drawing. I just suck. Most of the time I think I want to draw cute stuff and some other times it's just not as good as an another time.
I only covered a tiny bit the Loomis head area in Fun with a pencil, but I haven't covered the rest of the body and neither the proportions. I looked at some of the stickman like mannequin but in Fun with a pencil, it looks cartoony and I feel it doesn't really help me understand depth and proportion when trying 'free drawing' instead of just study.

>>3961370
>>3961418
Open up settings and calibrate the sensitivity or whatever. Now you're done. Stop being retarded faggots and practice.

>>3961462
Draw bigger

>>3961472
Pyw. It sounds like you haven't taken the fundie pill.

>>3961478
yeah you're right. bad habit especially since I tend to draw in the center of the page. I notice when I try to draw bigger the proportions are harder to get right

>>3961484
Pyw?

>>3961484
anyway my current study, is to draw Jesus with the new Sheep Pokémon

>>3961495
though the character I want to draw isn't really Jesus, but my XV OC.

>>3960270
Holy shit you can do that

favorite programs that aren't adobe illustrator?

>>3959443
DId you fuck the model afterwards?

>>3961515
Photoshop, I guess?

>>3961514
Heck yeah, I still use paper to draw on but when I used a pad it was so much easier, the nibs wear out a bit quicker though.

>>3961473
what about brushes and other stuff?

>>3961495
>>3961512
going to sleep because my mind is tired and I have to wake up at 6 am. Going to continue some other day.

>>3960148
Wooloo should be loved and protected at all cost

>>3961515
i'm pretty satisfied with csp

>>3961531
hard round brush or make your own.

How long did it take you anons to get used to drawing with a tablet?

>>3961601
i have for 2 years and i still hate it

I think it has potential.. But this is a job for Photoshop. I can't convey a stadium and an audience with my pencil skills, I have to use some colors to differentiate stuff and replicate many people in the seats and I'll move that mon to the right so it balances out.

Alright, I know I have very messy inking especially on the hair, I'm trying to get used to the brush. Hands and feet obviously messed up, first time trying to draw hands, and I know I put her skirt going over her right thigh it was an ink mistake.

>>3961646
Oh yeah I also know that the boobs are way too low and the right arm is too high and away from the torso

>>3961646
>>3961647
Well if you know everything then fuck off. Your biggest weakness here is how insecure you come off as

>>3961601
a week, getting used to the software (sai, fight me) on the other hand, still working on that

>>3961652
>seething this hard
This is a thread specifically for getting critique and posting work as a beginner. When wanting critique it's also best to state what you already know

>>3961652
Have sex

>>3961662
Stay bad

>>3960439
Kinda tired tonight and feeling lazy but didn't want to break my streak. Done in just a few minutes. Might finish the other three faces tomorrow morning.

I'll post some old ones, now
What's my issue with fun with a pencil?

>>3961677
Here I'd say the issue was using forms for something they are not, or I'm not ready for, original face clearly

>>3961679
Same mistake again

>>3961646
>>3961647
you know all that so why the fuck don't you fix it?

>>3961681
Well the drawing is already done

What's a good canvas size to draw at beg?

>>3961682
why don't do another one? the more you draw the better you get

>>3961701
Yeah no shit lol

>>3961714
dab on the haters

First time trying full inking. Didn't add any hatching to her face because it made her look like she had burn scars, any advice on how to handle that?

Did a drawing of a chair from my office's lounge yesterday. Don't know if I'm gmi but at least I tried.

>>3959692
Also I never did get any critique on this one.

Posting again, why the fuck am I having so much trouble with this book
Sure I had to stop some days but this is just, I don't even want to say what it feels like
I'm even doing sameface now, fucking A

>>3961633
Please learn to use proper perspective when you do such large scale and detailed images.

>get mad that everything I draw is simplistic
>try to do a detailed drawing
>get mad that the base of it isn't good enough so go back to grinding simplistic things
I guess this is better than polishing turds

>>3961748
>>3961680
>>3961677
>>3961671
In all seriousness Anon I think you have got the basics of fun with pencil down but you have difficulty with the 3D geometry of the face. Maybe it is time to move on from fun with pencil and start studying more proper anatomy?

>>3961782
This is good because at least you know what you are doing. Relax and keep going Anon.

Aust saying it would be easier to help you if you pyw you know...

drew a few different perspectives of my room while only sitting on my bed for a room thread

admittedly I put minimal effort in this so I don't expect the critiques to be very positive

>>3961792

>>3961740
If you keep trying you'll increase your chances of making it. Keep drawing the shit at your workplace, there's gotta be a ton of different object shapes there.

>>3961516
no :)

>>3961727
I'm envious of your inking

>>3961727
Draw bigger or use a smaller pen for the hatching on the face or use grey pen/mech pencil for the hatching to make it look lighter.

>>3960923
>>3960994
Thank you for your feedback. I have tried improving some of the things that you mentioned.

1. Made the iris, a bit smaller.
2. The ref i am using has pretty thick eyebrows, probably filled in.
3. I redid it and put some effort into it. Hope it's noticeable.
4. Redid some contour lines.
5. I agree the nostril needed a revisit. Any improvement? Not quite sure what you meant. On my ref only one nostril is visible.

What are some good studies for the groin and ass area? Im struggling to draw them unclothed in motion

>>3961809
Thanks.

Admittedly, over a month ago if you asked me to do something like that I would be "I couldn't". Now, though, I was able to do it... so I guess that's progress?

Is it ok to go on referencing like this? Would it need more modification??

some studies. nothing super polished and i suck at hair
1/2

>>3962083
2/2
these were harder to read the values from full color plus the top has a couple drawing mistakes

Second day of proportion training, using a simple coffee mug and a Star Guardian Ahri figure. Hope I'm on the right track.

>>3959161
>>3959161
That feel when you finally realize it's time for a hard reset so you do the 50 box challenge and realize just how little you knew but you draw again and you can see your improvement inside a day. Goddamn I never thought I'd feel this feel.

can someone explainme what's fun in art?regardless of the context

>>3962135
my minds runs a lot and i have a lot of ideas and thoughts zapping through, sometimes too many. When i do art it finally stops, i go in a trance like state and i just draw what i have in front of me, Its therapeutic

Picking up on values is hard for me. I'm going through the book Drawing for the Absolute Beginner, and the exercises seem pretty solid and make sense. Forcing my eye to see values is a huge pain in the ass, though.

I've been thinking maybe I'm overwhelming my brain and should just start with the darkest darks and work backwards (the book says to start with the lightest).

>>3962088
It might help to post these side-by-side with a photo of the objects.

Based on what you've posted, though, the proportions seem pretty spot-on to me.

>>3960727
Even more Wooloo.

CROQUIS CAFE DELETED ALL THEIR VIDEOS?

Wtf. Which one of you guys did this? Fucking crabs.

>>3962286

Check their site you stupid fucking nigger. Actual brainlet jesus fucking christ. The only thing that eases my anger is the knowledge that you are too retarded to do anything meaningful with your life.

>>3962288
calm down croquis cafe

>>3962288
are you the bald guy from croquis cafe? thanks for the free videos retard

1/2
Why is it so hard to draw with godforsaken pencil?

>>3962311
2/2

enter the 3 dollar tablet for ultimate poorfags

in all seriousness, I ordered my first tablet and it should get here next week, the only time i ever drew on a tablet it was a shitty small wacom my sister lent me, and my main problem was setting up the right hotkeys and accidentally pressing the side button from the pen that would zoom in, also I couldn't understand krita at all I didn't know how to set up a kit of brushes the way I wanted, anyone knows of good introductory videos/blogs on krita to start from 0? literally never used anything outside of paint when it comes to drawing software

>>3962148
Be sure to follow the form with any mark you make. I'm assuming this is a cup. But you should make wrapping strokes. Sort of hard to see what it is exactly. It would make it much easier to visualize darker darks and more effective lighter lights. Keep trying, pal!

>>3961955
(For the record, pic related is what I could do almost a month ago.)

kinda getting used to drawing with a tablet
can only improve from this point, I suppose

WIP study but im not sure im gonna finish it. total newbie to digital drawing and I have no idea how to render so I only used the pen tool and pussied out on adding value so its look flat as fuck

what's the difference between "restating a line" and chicken scratching?

>>3962362
chicken scratching is petting down a line inch by inch. restating would be confidently redrawing a confident line again with another confident line because you realized the first was inaccurate to the subject

Is there anything I should know about choosing a stylus to start digital art on my iPad? There are dollar store styluses, and hundred dollar styluses. They're just a stick made of plastic material right?

>>3960625
Her face looks very stiff dude, your previous goblin lady looked a lot better, at least face didn't looked like she was frozen like this one. Eyes are wayyyy too big and cartoonish giving a bad animu look. Upper eyelashes should be thicker to have a sexier look. Mouth is jutting out again with gigantic lower lip, face is too long and the angular shadows face don't help. Her butt is flying out of her hip.
Made a small edit, but I probably ruined her chin.

>>3962379
is your iPad 6th gen? buy the official apple one, but not from apple, they sell them cheaper at amazon, get some discounts or refurbished or something and it should be cheap, also a lot of people at ebay selling them used cheap

I'm just uhhh going back to paper

what's the best way to learn proportion? every time i start to sketch i put down the building blocks for construction (head, pelvis, ribcage) but i always struggle with making sure they are all the correct size relative to one another. or they're misaligned, or the space between a pair of boxes or circles is too large or small. all those proportions charts like the ones you see in hampton's book aren't very helpful unless you're not planning on drawing in any perspective other than a basic standing pose from the front or side
i have had this problem for as long as i can remember. i don't even do gesture drawings unless a book i'm reading demands it, because trying to capture the flow with lines makes me mess up proportions from the word go

>>3962400
We're gonna make it friend, we're gonna maaaaaaaaake iiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

>>3960670
Calling me stupid doesn't mean you're right, nor does being angry on the internet make you right.

>>3961946
Better, definitely. You're at a point where you need to not learn bad habits, and I pointed out a few potential areas. Treat every inch of your drawings with the same attention and level of detail.

As far as the nose goes, usually just drawing the upper line of the nostril, and the side in the middle that leads into the philtrum works (philtrum is the crease in the upper lip). The key with line drawing is you don't have to draw everything, the eye/brain can fill in the blanks, if you give enough landmarks/cues for the brain to do that. Learning how much is the art part, there's no other way to learn than by trying.

has anyone else completely lost the creative vision in their heads? i think ive been grinding fundies too much, but im just always drawing blanks nowadays. it's a self perpetuating cycle...

>>3962428
FEEL the ENTIRE form, there's a reason you're instructed to start gestures with the main lines of action and not the fingers or some shit

then for each body part FEEL how it integrates into the whole, never in isolation. if you mess up do it again until you understand. if you can't get it even approximately correct from intuition, how do you expect more construction to help you?

>>3962428
>>3962529
what anon said. gesture before construction. master level artists (vilppu) will end up essentially doing both at the same time or not underdrawing at all (kjg) but i guarantee the first thing they will think of is the underlying rhythm of the picture before filling in the form.

this kinda boils down to proportion being a lot easier to figure out when the major proportional mistakes are reduced to a single botched line or two.

>>3962538
>>3962428
i should also add that gesture is easily the hardest thing to "intuit" and i dont think you stop learning it as you progress. just make a habit of doing the gesture first for now, even if it may make your art look worse for the time being, because you will break through much easier and faster to understanding proportion better.

dont neglect perspective either, because most figures are gonna be foreshortened in SOME ways, and messed up perspective is imo the easiest way to mess up your proportions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzydK56tr9U
this guys vids are godtier

How do I advance beyond squares? How do I capture the mindset I need to become an artist?

>>3959161
I feel like I'm stuck.
Advice to improve?

>>3962400
That looks promising, good job!

first time doing gestures in a while

>>3961877
Thanks

>>3961899
Yeah I'll try to use thin mechanical pencil next time, that way I can have more control in the value of the shading to make it look more softer.

>>3962575
Draw the faces from from extreme angles. When I got comfortable with drawing heads from the basic views I started that. You'll want to die and quit because it's difficult at first, but if you let yourself rot long enough, you'll figure it out

>>3960944
What's wrong with how I draw boxes?

>>3961515
Krita has always been my go-to.

>>3961785
Only the fourth post you replied to is mine. Still, isn't there a lot more for me to learn from the book?

>>3962650
I'll try, thanks anon!
Here's a semi-finished cthulhu, excuse the crappy photo

>>3962579
Silly anon?

>>3962542
>>3962529
i think i got a good idea of how to do it, also figured out why i was having trouble with gesture before.
previously i didn't want to imagine poses or anything cause i was too lazy so i drew random masses and shapes without an end goal, hoping it would figure itself out.
i tried putting in the mental effort to think of someone in some position and perspective and then i tried doing a gesture for each idea.
also, when i previously tried drawing from reference, i had trouble getting the gesture and i think i know why now, it's cause i kept looking at it all the time. with the images that popped into my head, they disappeared as soon as they came so all i caught was a glimpse, and that was enough to get a general idea.
unfortunately proportion is still hit or miss, especially in the torso

>>3962675
Pretty good. Flows well.

Is it better to learn proportion or gesture first?

hit or miss, but it is nice to be able to do this. i'm just worried i'll forget how to do it tomorrow, like it seems i do with everything i learn
any tips for better gestures?

>>3962739
I feel that with gestures too. I just have to channel something to "get it" but i don't know how it happens, sometimes it just works out.

my first head

I went real edgy on this one boys

any hot tips for drawing rigid mechanical stuff like guns? I find it a lot harder than figure drawing because you're basically not allowed to take any liberties, feels like it anyway

>>3961539
Should I work with an even thinner pixel size brush?

I'm trying. It's specte tenebria from epic seven. First attempt at drawing futa, instead of normal inking I used some rougher brushes. Liked the result.

>>3962675
those look pretty good. some of them have really thick legs but thats something I struggle with too.

you should still gesture from reference as well, though

>>3962826
Not bad, the armpit hair is unnecessary tho.

don't know if this is the right place to ask but if it isnt then at least my pic belongs here
anyone have a reference for the female groin area with the leg raised (drew a pic to show specifically)? i want to better understand how the leg hinges from the pelvis. i still have trouble understanding where the hips/pelvis end and the legs begin, in terms of muscle and skin. i don't often work from reference just because it's difficult for me to find what i want specifically

>>3961785
The last post is not mine but thanks, I'm experiencing obvious trouble with anatomy and with making 3D shapes/drawings.

Could use some critique here before I go forward with redoing line work and colouring. Tear my shit up senpai

Kinda getting the hang of this

Is there an equivalent of the loomis head for furries, or will i have to invent my own? Seems like there's a lot of room for creativity but I've no clue where to start.

why am i having fun when i could be grinding fundies

>>3963019
yes its called the loomis head, furfag

>>3963047
How the fuck would a loomis head work with a muzzle or snout? Also the fact that there are major differences between the skull of a human and an animal.

>>3963051
the answer is that if you know how to construct the head, you have the constructional foundation to figure it out yourself.

that is, unless you're just copying loomis heads without actually understanding the structure behind them.

go do some perspective exercises or something

>>3962656
im not him, but aren't there more exercises after those initial head ones? do the other exercises too, fun with a pencil is kinda painful though, keys to drawing is easier not to drop halfway through

decided to paint something simple

>>3963051
Literally EVERY furry construction video and book I have read is fundamentally the same as drawing a human head apart from 3 things

1.Muzzle drawing
2.Animal ears
3.teeth and "smile"

Unless you literally want to draw animals "furries" are almost exactly the same face wise despite being animals, the morphology brings it back into line with human facial features except for the 3 main things I mentioned.

There will be realistic furry artists who draw animal like skulls, but this is often the exception to the rule. Not even high tier artists like Fluff Kevlar or MilesDF draw realistic fur shit, because it's retarded if you want to draw a wolf, draw a fucking wolf they're majestic creatures, but unless you're exceptionally skilled drawing a wolf to 90% accuract then slapping a human smile will at best be uncanny and at worst, well pic related.

>>3963105
Source: I have 5 gigs of furry porn and have spent 12 years as a furry, I know what the HECK I'm on about. :3

>>3962857
Nah. I saw the light years ago. Best futas are the ones with thick and bushy armpit hair and phymosis dick.

>>3961671
Started drawing the faces on a smaller scale. Not sure if this helps or not, however it's easy to notice that doing so is a bit tougher with the smaller details.

>>3963078
Definitely a lot more to the book than the initial head exercises. But the head exercises go on for a while. How far should I jump ahead? There's shit like expression which is just a few pages ahead or divided ball and plane method which is ahead of that. And thanks for the suggestion but if I could get through Draw with a Pencil then I think I won't have to worry about anything else that's just as tedious.

>>3963105
its true though, how tf do you draw the muzle (and ears

>>3963127
I use references now, I got chewed up here when I posted what I thought was "decent" don't be afraid to watch some youtube tutorials from multiple people and apply what you think is right in the situation that applies to you for example the pic posted in my previous post has the muzle at 3/4's but the face at straight on, it may be an exaggeration of what I used to do but I still did it.

>>3961324
my favorite itt, though im a beginner as well

NEW THREAD

>>3963218

used art from >>3961679 for new OP

>>3959168
Even if I practice every day, there is no progress in my art skills.

>>3963591
Dude, you are improving just look back on your own work and stop comparing your progress to others.