/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3960576
You're asking why odd, unusual people... who often have great financial trouble, sexuality issues, drug use/habits, and stress over their own success as an artist have mental health problems? Art makes you your own worst enemy and critic. Its a nightmare till it starts going well.

it's more of a stereotype than a 100% truth. Especially nowadays people just outright lie about their mental issues or exagerate them.

>>3960576
unironically, art breeds mental illness and social seclusion. If you've done art professionally for let's say 5+ years, look back with honest eyes and compare your old self to your current one, also don't dismiss the words from your family and friends, include their honest opinion as well. And you'll get your answer

>>3960581
again, this is all based on wether or not you're doing well and feel like you are making good art, if you think you suck and do actually suck on top of it all it is just a downward nightmarish spiral if no one helps you and gives you tools for success

>>3960576
Every single good artist ive known and met has a mental illness of some kind.

BPD, autism and depression being amongst the most common.

>>3960576
Who doesn't have a "mental illness" nowadays?

>>3960588
there is difference between normal mental stress/anguish and genuine mental illness. You're not going to argue that schizophrenics don't exist. They show up in all genders, races, and classes. Mental disorders are real homie. Yes...a lot of retards these days have "anxiety" but that does invalidate genuine medical problems.

Just because you haven't died from the flu doesnt mean some people don't. Just because you haven't died from depression doesn't mean others won't. Just because some girl who rejected you and has some made up anxiety disorder upset you doesn't mean others don't have some form of genuine crippling panic disorder.

Its funny how everyone acknowledges mental illness when its in homeless people and involves psychotic episodes but depression is MADE UP. Funny stuff.

I don't think its all genuine but people like you say dumb shit like that. Suicide is the number one way people under 30 die. Why and what causes it? Im unsure but mental illness and a shit unfulfilling life are sure part of it.

>>3960583
Literally my lineup

>>3960593
>I don't think its all genuine but people like you say dumb shit like that.
I didn't say anything like that you stuck up faggot. I merely said that according to doctors, basically every 2nd person has a mental illness nowadays.

Art is just something almost anyone get get into. It costs no money, you can do it alone, whenever you want. That's why it also attracts a lot of "mentally ill" people of course.

It's like video games. That's also a hobby anyone can do.

>>3960604
You said nothing about doctors. The quotes are obviously signifying sarcasm and your sense of superiority for not having a mental illness and that you think its fake bullshit.

KYS FAGIT

>>3960612
>your sense of superiority for not having a mental illness and that you think its fake bullshit
Lmao fyi I don't have to work, because I have a medical certificate for "social phobia". I have what you could call "depression". I've basically been alone my whole life and have basically nothing, except me and my hobbies. But still, I wouldn't consider myself mentally ill. I simply just had no luck in life and made bad experiences.

People who hear voices in their head or whatever are mentally ill. Depression is mostly just sadness. Being sad is not a mental illness.

>>3960620
Depression is mostly just sadness.... Sadness isn't mental illness.... Yet suicide is a leading cause of death for adults in their 20s and 30s with depression combined with suicidal ideation as the number 1 and 2 symptoms.... sure bud. You're right. Its just them sad boi feelz.

"dont have to work" enjoy your dollar general life style on those autism bucks the queen ladels to you while she sells your country to foreign interests.

>>3960622
>Yet suicide is a leading cause of death
Sure, but that doesn't make a sad person mentally ill. Are you mentally ill because you are sad when your mother died? I wouldn't consider this mentally ill. It's just sadness. Being sad is a totally normal behaviour for humans. And looking at society it's just normal that some people experience this almost every day.

Not depressed people are sick, society is sick.

>>3960576
It goes both ways
From what I understand these peole may have gotten into art as a form of expression because they feel disconnected from the rest of society, alienated from their illness. And the isolation born from it may make things worse.

>>3960626
Jesus, you really are genuinely under educated and dim. Your view point is so simplistic and child like and you clearly have lived a sheltered life with no true challenges.

>>3960637
Wrong, in contrary to you I am just not brainwashed by the pharma industry which wants to make money by selling drugs to people. Of course they label every 2nd person "mentally ill". Just like people label you "mentally ill" simply for being different, because people are oppressive.

Mental illness =ngmi in todays avenue of earning from art.
Most of the best artists working in a studio/office environment dont have mental illness because being successful in a competitive environment has a bias against anything that causes you to not be able to work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week.

>>3960576
In my case I got into art due to depression and ever since is probably the only reason why I have not off’ed myself

>>3960576
All the artists I know and ever looked up to were of well mind with only two exceptions I can think of, one of them is dali.
Usually the people who lose their minds are the trash ones like those modern art manlets.

>>3960576
They are faking it. most artists are extremely pretentious. Mental illness makes you “quirky” and unique.

>>3960576
'Cause you spend most of your motherfucking time alone, and you have to, to make something that it is most likely to turn out bad in the end, even if you're good. Having no human interaction for long periods of time is detrimental. Being creative, in a way, sucks because you get easily bored with something when you've done it "enough" for you, and you have to move from some thing to other, and the "what will I do next?" sounds cheesy, but sucks, this makes you feel like shit. With the previous in mind, if you stop being "creative" you feel like shit too. If you want to make this full time, and a living out of it, it is likely that you won't draw what you want, and what you really want to draw and feel passionate for, probably nobody gives a shit about, and it won't get you money. Probably you'll get a lot of: "what are you drawing?" "why are you drawing this?" from people, and that is fucking annoying, the whole point of doing something "creative," is that you do not know what you're doing.

>>3960576
It's always both. Whenever you get a question like this in life. Humans didn't evolve fully and then suddenly some became artists. The two evolved together. There were some weirdo loaner Neanderthals that had to find ways of entertaining themselves and had higher appreciation for beauty and ability to express and had complex emotions. There have always been people with a need to express but without the words to articulate. And on top of that the amount of time you have to spend alone drawing if you expect to git good is going to make you even weirder. It's both.

>>3960576
art is ordinary and making art is an ordinary act
most artists are ordinary, like most people are

>>3960576
it's the same for all creative types, most comedians are depressed.

>>3960576
Artistry requires, like mathematics or writing, a degree of concentration and out-of-the-box thinking. Conditioning oneself to isolation is often necessary for study and concentration, and to overcome brain limitations sometimes requires a degree of effort and isolation to surpass said limitations. Stephen Hawkings often credited his disease as the responsible for his astrophysics discoveries, Einstein only learned to speak when he was 5 years old (his parents thought he was retarded) and don´t get me started with Beethoven or Amadeus Mozart. Watch Ben Affleck´s "The Accountant", they kinda touch the subject.
Normal people can start with caffeine and social isolation to better your art - leave the heavy drugs for actors and musicians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness

how come art attracts a lot of trans and gays people? Is it because of how "creative" you can be?
Why is it just art that seems to be the majority that they go to?

Those who don't seek art are the ones who are truly sick.

>>3962553
Most of them have a fucked up childhood. I don’t think that makes you creative but it is a correlate with creativity and makes you cope and express yourself differently. I think it’s more an issue of having a "unique" experience in a sort of shamanistic sense (of dying and going to the underworld/entheogenic drug trip/psychotic break) and coming back in touch with the live current of your own emotions and reality itself, so to speak. Trauma is often a catalyst for the creative, as is isolation which is itself traumatic.

These factors make one prone to mental illness. I don’t think that artists are prone to mental illness but that a capacity for art is alienating in cause and result.

>>3962576
It has to do with openminded you are. If you're open enough to consider yourself lgbt, you're probably openminded enough to at least appreciate art, let alone create it. Better question is, why aren't all people into art/creativity at least bi-curious?

>>3962603
>why aren't all people into art/creativity at least bi-curious?
cause not everyone is a faggot.

>>3960834
I love constantly having my progress stifled because my brain dont work

>>3960581

I've been drawing since 2016 and my social life is objectively better. Not as a direct consequence of art, but art definitely didn't hurt. Having a hobby that I stuck with and improved at was a good confidence booster.

Nothing about art CAUSES mental illness and social seclusion, though mentally ill and socially secluded people no doubt use art as an outlet.

It's like saying because most artists are Chinese that doing art turns you Chinese.

Not depression but anorexia. It partly has to do with drawing because when your career mostly depends on random chance and exposure, you just feel like you want to control something. And weight is easy to control

>>3960576
lack of job security