/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Are these threads worth it?

>>3940992
yeah, i enjoy posting here rather than /alt/ and the resources in the OP are fantastic

>>3940992
/alt/ is more of a showoff thread and it's currently dead right now.

Something might be weird in pic related and I don't know what is it.

>>3940988
I fucking love this guy. IIRC he did all the art for record of lodoss war and the concept art for vision of escaflowne

So when are you fags going to apply what you've "studied" from moeshit onto drawings from imagination? At least start learning how to draw from a real model and stylize the model with your own appeals instead of turning into another Sakimichink clone.

>>3941148
The cheeks? I think they're a bit too fat

>>3941148
Don't chickenscratch anon

>>3941148
Making the upper eyelashes thicker and adding lines to show the eyelid should help.

How can I learn to do 80s's anime style?
Any tutorial for coloring?

>>3941195
I can't stop doing this shit

>>3941221
COPY
80'S
ANIME
YOU
DUMMY

>>3940981
Brutally blackpill quantumbit-ripping destroy me.

Character is supposed to be tapris
>inb4 not finished

Yes, I know.

>>3941255
maybe go trad first. It looked like you're having a hard time doing digital

>>3940981
>>Find an anime reference you like (an illustration, screenshot, anime figure, 3D model, etc.)
>>Trace the ref using that construction
>>Copy the ref using that construction
>>Draw the ref from memory that using construction
I've been doing exactly this for some time now and while I've noticed steady gains, I can't help shake off the fear that I'm only learning through rote memorization instead of actually absorbing anything of value and am going to end up a massive hack.

>>3941279
Maybe try incorporating small aspects of what you've learned from tracing and copying into an original drawing. Sort of like how jazz musicians will learn a lick or a motif and incorporate a small pattern of that into an improvised solo, then the next few bars after that will be entirely improvised based off that one small theme. I'm a musician originally not an artist and this is the best way for me to relate to drawing, sorry if it's hard to follow

i drew this,i know its a little wonky but whats the main reason it looks bad? also i cant seem to get the hair looking nice, and when i made a variant with the hair covering the cheeks it looks horrific

>>3941233
t-thanks
but can you post a tutorial for me?

>>3941446
Spoonfeeding station is over there ->

Fuck off my board, retard.

>>3941427
I don't think it looks bad

>>3941459
Don't blame them for wanting to be spoonfed because that's exactly what you're doing when you encourage mindless copying instead of problem solving the styles yourself. All it takes is the immersion which by now you all should have an idea of how moeshit looks like and the rest is trial and error.
>>3941446
Stop copying anime.

>>3941427
I redrew this for you.
I would focus more on the construction of the face specifically abnd the ears are too small, and making the hair fluid i would practice drawing hair if I was you, it doesn't look that bad as you say it is imo.

>>3941471
This is really cute, good redraw

>>3941459
>over there ->
where?

>>3941176
after I copy like 10000 drawings I like

>>3941427
because its garbage
you have no clue of what you are drawing or how to do it most likely because you have almost zero knowledge on how to do it
you can't even see the flawed symmetry on your drawing
the pupils aren't placed in the middle of the eyes, otherwise you wouldn't be able to focus on anything, the neck is too far to the right side
her jaws/cheeks are asymmetrical it almost look like is tilting counter clockwise with the mouth

short long answer LOOMIS you clearly have skipped the most basic shit
>b-but i just want to draw good enough to not be called shit i don't want to be perfect
you are keeping bad habits by not fixing or trying to be accurate with simple stuff such as keeping your proportions/fundies right

Anyone know of some good late 80s-90s art books?

Why do you want to draw moeblobs?

>>3942141
I want to draw cute boys instead

>>3942141
hate this blob.

>>3941794
wow thanks for the critique, i never would have noticed just how out the symmetry was otherwise.
nice tip with the eyes, thats something ive never seen mentioned before and wouldnt have occurred to me otherwise.

>>3941471
the line weight is really nice when this is zoomed out, now that i measure it the ears feel like they should be bigger

where do japanese people stream live?

>>3942249
Besides YouTube and Twitch? Pixiv, Nico and OPENREC.

>>3940981
Destroy me

The usual feedback I get is that my constructions have no 'soul'.

That's usually not very helpful though, if someone can help me with the 'no soul' problem please do.

>>3942732
you need more mileage. This is like 2min sketch level. Do 3 pages of these figures every day for a week, and post them here.
>more line confidence
>don't bother fucking with the face yet
>better gestures
>study some favorite anime poses (2-5 min each pose)
>don't erase or lasso, if you fuck up redo the sketch

>>3942732
ay dios mio

>>3942732
Drawn to Life vol.1 and 2. Return with gains.

>>3942732
>>3942739
>>3942738
>>3942748
I tried and failed again.

>>3942782
anon...

>>3942782
And what made you think that the shoulders are attacked to the neck?

>>3942732
>>3942782
You are not thinking in 3D, you are just drawing flat shapes without intending them to actually exist in 3D space. You need to go back to the very basics and figure out perspective and construction.

>>3942782
yo, draw like a dozen of these, then post them all at once, you gotta do more. Even if one by chance looks good, it won't be deterministic.

I've been going through every book in the mega and trying to deconstruct an anime head and I still don't get it.

>>3942990
post work

Is kemono okay to post on /ic/?

>>3943001
Sorry bro too many snowflakes on /ic/

>>3943003
I'm mostly asking in terms of GR3, because I don't want to have to take a 3-day vacation from /ic/ every time I post my work.

>>3943023
>>3943001
Unfortunately the moderators are pretty slack when it comes to enforcing the rule, but it is still present, yes.

>>3942782
Don't try doing a pose or anything just yet especially if you are trying to pull one out of your head and apply what you think you know of construction to it, instead make sure that you can first do it correctly. Grab the book you learnt from or any book with the mannequin/construction like loomis or one of the anime books whatever floats your boat and just try and accurately, freehand, draw the same thing. spend as much time as you need to, as many layers or construction lines as you need to, but make sure it comes out correct in the end. Dont be afraid to just stop what your doing and do multiple little sketches next to/on the side figuring out specific parts with simple shapes/forms either like the cylinder arm in this image.

Ignore adding the face on too like you did, a lot of the time when you make arbitrary marks you subconsciously base decisions around them but they may be wrong and influencing your decisions the wrong way (not saying you did you probably added them last for the upload, but if you dont know why you're making a mark its best not to, you can always add it later if needed you just dont want random shit you threw in to meme/complete/have fun with etc influencing what you are trying to learn).

used this as reference >>3939795

i was wondering what kind of physical materials i could use to get this sort of coloring and inking style. pastels? i think this is a yoji shinkawa piece

>>3943558
anatomys a bit shit. her right boob should be higher because the arma up. same foe the left really
hair is at the wromg angle
her shoulders are broken

>>3943577
thanks, it make sense about the tits but
I'm struggling to see the problem with the shoulders, even comparing with the reference.
Could you redline only the shoulders if it's not asking too much?

>>3943647
Bro your pose is really stiff, she's in a pose where she should be bending back but she's bending forward. She's not even balancing properly. At least plan out where the feet should be even if you're not going to show them. Also learn 2 gesture, because your gesture is bad and makes it feel lifeless no matter how much you render it.

>>3943564
brush & ink/inkbrush, ink washes/watercolor/copics.

>>3943652
not him but I just cannot understand this stiff pose shit.

People have a hard time explaining what a flowy pose really entails, how would you describe it?

>>3943685
im the first critique, its easy. when stuff is not alligned properly its because youre drawing from memory or reference mixing instead of constructing the pose from the ground up.

>>3943685

Try mildly exaggerating all your directional contours to line up with the hypothetical motion of the piece when you're drawing a figure. Drawing isn't animated but if you think of it like animation it can help, you don't want to draw perfectly stationary people, that's boring and in a lot of poses unnatural. Try drawing them as if there is a fluid range of motion predictable from your pose, then slightly bend everything to indicate that next set of motions without shattering the anatomy.

>>3943695
What does this mean that I can't draw from memory?

>>3943700
I could try this.

>>3943685
I explain it so much on /ic/ I just get fucking tired of it honestly. Also gesture clicks with different people in different ways so you have to go through lots of practice or a few different ways of explaining it sometimes before you get that "aha" moment. Basically the goal of gesture is any or all of these: motion, dynamic posing, balance, weight, anatomy, shapes, force, form, proportion... And your drawing doesn't show any of these things well at all because you obviously haven't studied any gesture yet.

Relevant excerpts from Wikipedia:
A gesture drawing is a laying in of the action, form, and pose of a model/figure. Gesture drawing is often performed as a warm-up for a life drawing session, but is a skill that must be cultivated for its own sake.

The primary purpose of gesture drawing is to facilitate the study of the human figure in motion. This exploration of action is helpful for the artist to better understand the exertions of muscles, the effects of twisting on the body, and the natural range of motion in the joints.

Gesture drawings may take as long as two minutes, or as short as five seconds, depending on what the focus of the exercise is.

The practice allows an artist to draw strenuous or spontaneous poses that cannot be held by the model long enough for an elaborate study, and reinforces the importance of movement, action, and direction, which can be overlooked during a long drawing. Thus, an approach is encouraged which notes basic lines of rhythm within the figure. The rapidity of execution suggests an aesthetic which is most concerned with the essence of the pose, and an economy of means in its representation, rather than a careful study of modeling of light on the form.

>>3943702
Well, I'm not him once again. But I don't really see a vast lack of gesture in that drawing.

>>3943702
Tldr the essence of your pose is bad and stiff, boring, and riddled with mistakes. Save yourself the trouble, read gesture books until you find one that makes sense to you, and then do it every day even if it's only 1 min poses for 15 min a day.

>>3943703
Your eyes aren't trained well enough then. Try drawing a line of action over his figure, through the spine usually. Look at how unbalanced and boring it is compared to the ref photo that was posted. You'll see it then.

I'd do it but I'm posting on mobile from work.

>>3943703

So you see how she's projecting outward stiff as a board? Generally when you project upwardly you'll arch backward at least somewhat. Also the contour direction of her arm here makes no sense.

>>3943706
that other anon already got it >>3943708

Makes kind of sense though
The LoA of the spine is mentioned a lot in gesture.

>>3943708
>contour of arm
looks passable to me, it might not be hyperanatomically correct but it looks passable though.

>>3943710

Idk, I'm not an expert. I just got "your pose stiff" as a critique so much I eventually reverse engineered whatever made those people happy and this was it.

Personally I think that arm reads poorly here, but it's hard to say how it is in a vacuum since the spine is so deadass strained.

>>3943710
It's not hyperanatomically correct. It's not even close to anatomically semi-plausible. She's missing a lot of muscle and form in that arm not to mention foreshortening

>>3943723

It's kinda just a noodle, when you get to it.

>>3943723
I don't think he's going for hyperrealistic to the utmost atomic detail in his anime drawings because that way of stylization is in my opinion really unappealing.

op here, I just rotated a few degrees and it immediately looks better but I still know it has a lot of flaws. I do not care if people destroy my drawings as long as they can teach me something new.
I'll do some research on gestures and see if I can fix this one here. I appreciate all feedback

>>3943756
imo you need stop polishing it and just move on to a new one. It's better for you at this point to keep on drawing new things and new studies instead of getting stuck on fixing this piece.

>>3943701
you can, and what i mean is people usually have a set amount of poses in their head

gonnichi sapo

>>3942141
she has really nice porcelain skin :x

>>3943756
ay dios mio, are you even using a ref

>>3941427
the drawing itself is not terrible, its scratchy. That indicates that you dont know where the lines go, hense you dont know what you are doing. To draw things like anime faces and expressions, you have to first study what a real face looks like to then simplify it into anime, ill show you one of my sketches as an example.

In this sketch I applied what a learned about human anatomy. I made a basic gesture for the pose and refined it. Then i built the head using the Loomis method, but bigger since its anime bullshit. Then i literally searched how to draw fucking anime eyes on youtube and placed them where they are supposed to go thanks to Andrew Loomis. My advice is to study the fundamentals and also have fun by doing things like these once in a while. Its a long journey but its a fun one. Make sure you practice a lot of perspective.

>>3944612
Hahahahahaha

>>3943756
You may not continue on this one but I did some rough redline based from your reference.

I think you need to remember that the armpit area is where muscles from the chest area, shoulder and back converges.

And with that pose and camera angle the back should not be a smooth curve because you need to take note of the shoulder blades.

I don't know how should her bra work but the bra strap at the back should not be sticking on her skin since her breasts are that big.

>>3940981
always post some non-moe art for the General.

>>3944612
this looks li!e rainbow dash from the mlp anthro movies

>>3944661
Nice gesture nice redline. That's what I'm fucking talking about.

>>3944661
Wow, that's awesome anon, you made my day. Now I can REALLY see what was so wrong compared to the reference.

I saved the redline and I will try to apply the information you gave me in a new one as the other anon suggested.

I'll also take a look at the OP's links to see about the shoulder blades and armpits, as you mentioned, that was one of the serious flaws in that drawing and my autism now wants me to improve that part as soon as possible.

So, thanks for sharing this, it was very helpful.

>>3944772
Good boy taking your critique like a man. Go get those gains!

>>3944661
>>3944772
Good stuff and good exchange. More of /ic/ should be like this.

>>3940981
Some sketches I did

>>3945308
top left has weird boobs and her hands arent natural. the pose is like a pregnant woman
top right is broken spine and midget proportions
bottom has a retarded head and mismatched arm length

>>3945124
it is tho

Today's studies. I really enjoy the challenge of trying to recall what I just studied without reference, even though the results are hilariously off at times.

>>3945386
cute!

>>3945386
when you use a ref be sure you're looking carefully why the drawing looks the way that it does. For example: the furry on top. Her head is slightly tilted so the eyes will be tilted too. However, you made them go down as a normal 3/4 view with no tilt.The bottom one needs more work. Like the memory's hoodie is just bulky in a way it would never work.When looking at ref try to understand HOW and WHY the picture looks the way that it does indeed of guessing and assuming. I'm referring more to your memory drawings not your trace or ref'd ones.

>>3945386
when you use a ref be sure you're looking carefully why the drawing looks the way that it does. For example: the furry on top. Her head is slightly tilted so the eyes will be tilted too. However, you made them go down as a normal 3/4 view with no tilt.The bottom one needs more work. Like the memory's hoodie is just bulky in a way it would never work.When looking at ref try to understand HOW and WHY the picture looks the way that it does instead of guessing and assuming. I'm referring more to your memory drawings not your trace or ref'd ones.

What should I do if I can't trace my anime.

>>3945480
Post your attempts here and someone might help you.

>>3945480
you can't just not trace your anime

>>3945493
I'm fucked then.

>>3945476
Oh, I'm absolutely aware I have massive amounts left to learn and that I'm missing out on a lot of subtleties like twists/tilts and the way certain features are constructed. I've definitely noticed the "everything ends up 3/4" phenomenon, whenever I move from the ref'd study to the one without reference I immediately start asking myself "will the center line be tilted up or down?", which is proof I'm not paying enough attention to the important parts and makes me fall back to simplifications I already know.

At this stage, though, I'm mostly happy most facial features end up fairly proportional. Even getting results like these has been a huge confidence boost and has motivated me to draw a lot more than I've done previously.

>>3945386
Had another go at drawing the demon girl.

are my proportions out of begtier?

>>3945846
looks better but geez that shoulder.Looks detached. Can i see the original image? Like a close up of it?Just want to see if the original is a reliable source to ref off of.

>>3946009
proportions aren’t awful but your lines need a LOT of work

>>3946027
yeah it's just a sketch just wanted to know if my proportions arent absolutely trash

HOW DO I GET BETTER, IT'S KILLING ME AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>3946031
post werk

>>3946031
do you practice?How long do you practice for?If its less than 2 hours then you wont see the biggest improvement.

How do I get better if I can't trace my animu every time I try to copy by just looking at it it's all fucked up.

>>3946041
Learn visual measuring. You'll thank yourself later

where can i find the krenz cushart tutorials?all of them

>>3946026

>>3946026
It's not the ref, it's just me being retarded.

>>3946377
i say look more into how hoodies fold over the neck and shoulders.Look at real refs or some tutorials on how clothing folds.

>>3940986
why is ilya pretending to do animations?

Are there any English language books I can use to learn anime? I didn't see any mentionedin the OP.
Also, in you guys' opinion, which anime or manga have the most impressive or beautiful or just generally appealing styles to you? I'm kind of a scrub when it comes to anime so the series I can think to study probably aren't the greatest looking out there, and I need to refine my taste anyways.

>>3943685
asymmetry in line creates curves and rhythm. Symmetry kills it. The bodies natural contour is asymmetrical if you study the torso, arms, legs, feet, hands etc you will see the muscle and bones all counter each other to balance the machine and create a beautiful flow of asymmetry

>>3946554

you sure like to keep repeating the word "straight" there buddy, trying to tell yourself something?

>>3946029
Excuses

>>3946556
Only use homo line for good gesture

>>3946157
anyone?

anyone have Yug KAIYODO scans?

I know im not that good and kinda nervous to post here but .. anyways

>>3947074
> left feet looks almost like a hand
> I feel like the position of the anus and/or vaina aren't right (looks a little too high up there)
> left boob is a little weird (it looks like a ball attaches to her chest
But other than that it looks really sweat anon

>>3947074
you either used a reference or you are too dumb to remember basic anatomy just look at that collarbone placement

>>3947108
... And it still looks pleasing to look at. What gives?

>>3947108
i used a reference but yeah im not the best in anatomy, thanks for the tip

>>3947127
It looks good enough

>>3947125
The face, hair, tits, thighs, smooth rendering. The mistakes are there and pretty damning, but they aren't that obvious to the untrained eye, or someone not looking that hard that just wants to fap. It looks like the kind of shitty but cleanly rendered porn that does well on pixiv.

>>3947139
Yeah i take everything but the face? please tell me whats wrong with the face if you dont mind

>>3947139
pyw

>>3947224
Oh no crabby kun is jealous! Hahahahaha ngmi

>>3947074
Anon, how can I make a smooth skin like this?

>>3947337
Taking a reference and practicing and copying
are you being sarcastic?

>>3946783
>>3946826
>>3947579
>>3947599
>>3947739
>>3947729

So... is it wrong to use reference when doing original works, or is it just crabs sperging?

>>3947903
Just crabbing

>>3947903
That's not how you use ref, this guy just copied the pose straight from another artist.
It's how you study but not for original work

>>3947425
>are you being sarcastic?
no

Hey guys, so my end goal is getting to where I can draw fanart of this character (Din), with a focus on the head (I would actually be satisfied if I can do some head portrait shots and not even bother with the body). So what are the best steps to understanding the shape of her head? I find it hard to visualize different angles that aren't reference shots, and there isn't a lot of art of her that exists.

>>3943880
Looks like you just copy pasted her head on to a body

>>3940981
Would like some feedback, especially on her right arm and heels.

>>3940981
Would like some feedback.

Especially on her right arm, her skirt and her heels/boots.

Please also give me some sort of direction on how I should learn what I'm lacking.

>>3943001
I recognize that hentai.

>>3949078
Unironically loomis

>>3949424
I used loomis, can you give me a redline?

>>3949488
no you didn't

>>3949488
You post your loomis construction first.

>>3949500
Feedback appreciated, if something's not right please guide me on how to do it right.

>>3949510
without black lines

>>3949510
>>3949512

>>3949519
Please just help instead of shitposting, this isn't useful in any way shape or form.

>>3949521
if you can't see what's wrong with it there's nothing to help

>>3949510
Not the anon you replied to, but your lines aren't very good. Practice freehanding straight lines and ellipses every day. First lesson of Draw A Box is good for this.

>>3949530
Yes, I made this while I was stoned, my hand-eye-coordination was a bit off to say the least. Not to say that it usually is significantly better.

I have started with drawabox lesson 1, but I haven't started with the homework yet.

>>3949530
Also, don't get discouraged. Construction seems straightforward but you have to practice a lot to get decent results with it.

>>3949541
Yes, it's pretty hard indeed, you have any other tips except for poor line quality?

That shouldn't show up too much in the lineart, the bad quality of the construction lines.

>>3949544
Not aside from practice, sorry.

>>3949556
Oh well, that's at least somewhat helpful.

Any good 3D models to use as reference?

What routine/practice would you recommend to a total beginner?

>>3949752
Step 1: draw an anime character
Step 2: copy an anime character drawn by a favorite anime artist
Repeat repeat repeat

Once you've done that a lot you can start adding Step 3: draw from life

>>3949524
If you don't know a beginner's eye for art isn't developed enough to spot what to them is newly discovered mistakes then you've never thought 2 seconds about improving your art, crab.

>>3949512
-I suggest you start browsing anatomy books and find a more solid construction method in the near future.
-Remember to flip your canvas horizontally to spot mistakes.
-Gain line confidence on paper and pencil first. Jumping into digital at this stage made your lines look like they were drawn with a mouse.
use this tutorial as reference and exercise:
https://www.deviantart.com/nsio/art/Nsio-explains-Line-Dynamics-411098876

>>3949770
Well, most people recommend me to leave anatomy as it is right now and gain knowledge on the absolute basics first.

>>3949776
I suppose you should do so as a start, yes.

>>3949783
I should also note that I tried drawing using mostly my shoulder and my elbow as an auxiliary pivot, do you draw with your shoulder and elbow for the most part when using a tablet?

Lesson 1 from drawabox.com inspired me to train my muscle memory regarding my shoulder.

>>3949991
I use my elbow and my shoulder slightly for large parts near the start and some larger lines, and use my wrist and elbow for most lines everywhere else. For details, usually the wrist.
But I use a large old blocky tablet as well, albeit only part of it equivalent to an A4 sheet.

>>3949767
Should I trace it?

>>3940981
Would it be appropriate to DM an artist on Twitter or whatever and ask for a paid critique?

Currently studying the 2pin tutorials. Any feedback is appreciated!

>>3950121
It would be awkward if you never interacted with that artist before.

>>3950121
Why not just ask on /ic/?

Sure, half of the time it's just some shitposter taking the piss, but at least it's free.

>>3940981
>>3940988
>>3941176
>>3942141
>>3946280
These are what comes to my mind when I heard "anime"

>>3950066
Don't just trace the outlines outright, construct it from on a separate layer on top of the reference and try to understand why certain parts look the way they do and how they are affected by their angle, tilt, surroundings, gravity, etc.

>>3950274
Place the boobs higher.

Anime girls are very slender indeed, but you want to thicken the arms up a bit, it looks like she has sticks for arms if I were to make an exaggerated example.

The hips and waist are incorrect.

Also the hand where she's holding the hammer is incorrect.

I hope my feedback is useful to you, keep on drawing

>>3947074
Why did you have to make the dick a niggerdick?

>>3950566
Thank you very much!

>>3950603
Oh, on a side note did you use "loomis"?

You're supposed to sort of volumetrically shape your character from balls and cubes and cylinders.

I think applying "loomis" theory in your drawings will get you improving rather quick.

>>3950604
Yes I am using loomis.

I am trying to learn the mannequin loomis teaches. 2d pin is using a mannequin, I have an easier time understanding so yeah

>>3950613
>2D pin
You mean Pin2D, right?

>>3950614
Yeap. Yeah I know it seems like I am npt using 3 shapes ,but. That’s because my inking skills are shit.

But yes I am following loomis while trying to learn the mannequin. Pin2d’s is clinking with me.

Anywho back to practice

>>3950623
Yes, I don't think that the your inking skills caused this, it is most definitely the construction of the figure, which I'm struggling with as well, keep on practicing anon.

>>3950626
For sure. My construction is shit. Working on that lol. I am working to get that loomis 3D mannequin.

Just pointing out I do get it must be 3D and not 2d.

Thanks by the way.

>>3950627
Yes, np

Is this good art?

>>3950954
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=74905822
here in better resolution

>>3950954
Lines don't really look good, face could use some work. But it's pretty decent otherwise tbhdesu

>>3950954
the tits look really unappealing

>>3950954
no

>>3950971
I want to reach this level, if I draw my waifu like this I'm happy

>>3951000
No offense but I think you should aim higher.

>>3949512
I tried my best anon hope this helps. you need to practice drawing the frame of the drawing, especially the shoulders as they're outwardly missing in your art.
I like your determination though.

>>3946554
based hampton poster

>>3951088
blind leading the blind

>>3951088
i didn't know chickens could post online

>>3951229
That's not chicken scratch you dense motherfucker it's restatements and reinforcements. Go read Keys to Drawing again you dip.

>>3951193

Thoroughly thought out contribution and a good addition to this board. Thank you, Anon, you continued presence would be greatly appreciated and would only help propel all of us forward on our journey to become better artists.

>>3951263
You are very welcome

>>3951258
>If I call my chicken scratch a technical sounding term and cite a book, its not chicken scratch
ok retard

>>3949512
>>3951088

>>3951371
based and cute

>>3951371
What resources have you learned from anon? That's a sweet looking mannequin there.

>>3951356
>proving something isn't wrong isn't good enough for me because I don't like it anyways!!!1!1!
Y I k E s

>>3951377
You didn't prove anything. Are you really trying to claim that the drawing on the right is not chicken scratch? Do you know what chicken scratch is? jesus christ

>>3951088
lol

>>3951376
i'm the hitokaku poster from a couple threads back so i guess hitokaku is the most recent thing that i went through. before that, i found scott robertson and eric olson to be really good for perspective, and i also did some anatomy from scott eaton

i basically skimmed through and did a lot of the stuff that the d/ic/ks around here recommend so it's all mush to me. but eric olson's perspective and hitokaku has been the most influential lately, hope that helps!

>>3951258
Nigga...

>>3951390
Cheers anon.
>hitokaku
Do you mean this? http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
I can into Japanese so it's not a problem, I just had never seen anyone mentioning this before.

>>3951371
kek

>>3951393
that's the website version yeah, if i recall that anon was studying the book version though. it's in the japanese books list in the OP as "it's fun to draw people" or something

>>3951393
i never went though his shitty looking site, i just did the book that's on the OP's mega

https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!lNdRACzI

the text is somewhat helpful, but it's mostly just encouragement. either way, being able to read it will be a bonus

>>3951397
>>3951398
Cheers anons.

>>3951088
>>3951258
Im sorry lmao but this is just awful. Didn't think I'd actually see a dunning krueger here

What books do I start with? The paste didn't specify.

>>3951440
what skill level are you at? can you post something you've tried to do? i could probably give you a better answer if i had something to go on other than >to start with

Do any of you anons sketch aminu in Vilppu's kind of gesture? I would really like some examples of other people using.

>>3951445
I'm very firmly a beginner. I don't have anything to post other than half finished gestures so you'll have to take my word on it. Although I guess I can demonstrate my skill, or lack of it, if you have something in mind.

>>3951492
sounds like it might be keys to drawing, bert dodson then

here the equivalent of a map drawn on a napkin

>learn how to copy
>learn perspective
with these two skills, you can develop your own training technique toward drawing from imagination

>>3951501
I'm already going through Keys; I just figured I'd go through an anime book alongside it. Couldn't hurt, right?

>>3951503
in that case, (Date Naoto) Deconstruction Illustrated is pretty popular around here and it covers a good range of anime-basics. if your main purpose is to improve, however, i suggest putting focus on books like keys that focus primarily on a universal art fundamental

>>3951088
Sorry Anon, but this wasn't very useful

>>3951371
That really wasn't the pose I was looking for but it's helpful nonetheless.

Do you have any tips for the hips?

>>3949512
I tried doing the pose again from memory, but it hasn't gotten any better, I did it under 10 minutes though.

>>3951398
Where can I learn to draw like you Anon?

>>3951558
He literally said it in his post are you fucking daft

>>3951509
hi anon is pic related the book you mentioned?

>>3951554
spooky

>>3950954
heck no western shit

Do you guys sketch using stabilizers?

>>3951509
Can you link me that website that translates the books by uploading images of it?

>>3951579
Anon, I'm not that guy and I hate to be a cunt, but if you seriously can't be the slightest bit independent, google something like "translate text in image" and figure it out yourself instead of asking for help every time before even attempting it yourself you're never going to learn anything.

>>3951581
Yeah, good point, I deleted my post.

>>3951562
He did but the book hi link referred to is on moon and I can't read that.

>>3951599
The rest of us just use context clues and try to get as much in every moon books

>>3951576
It's off or only on minimal settings. I do set it higher when doing lineart

>>3940981
Made this but I fucked up the head real good, feedback appreciated.

>>3951670
This is just from one beginner to another, but I feel like you should try to suggest the three-dimensionality of your constructed shapes more by drawing more contour lines and making shapes intersect more. Your construction looks really flat and unless you've drawn enough to simply "know" how things work in 3D it will probably work against you.

>>3951670
I was really lazy doing this but I tried to reduce the stiffness in the pose.

Try holding the pose you drew and you will see how unnatural it is.

Anybody have complete Cardcaptor Sakura settei artbooks? All I found are fragments

>>3951796
no but searching found me the sakura taisen 2 one
https://exhentai.org/g/192150/063c106a7a/


check bakabt, icbfrn soz

>>3951371

>>3952088

>>3952088
>>3952106
what did he mean by this

>>3952124
My interpretation is that he animorphed her into a chicken on account of all the chicken scratching. I iterated upon it by chicken scratching the result

Your guess is as good as mine, though

>>3951599
>he read drawing books

Yes my drawing is shit and I need more loomis.

That being said... I do notice my shittiy inking is making it look a lot worse here:

>>3950274

I did use 3d construction lines, but after I ink it, it seems I'm still thinking in flat shape.

Any advice?

which book in the op do i tackle first?

holy shit why cant i draw the eyes and hair right

>>3952088
>>3952106
someone please make this cuter and moe

>>3952229
Try using another brush for inking

>>3952229
doesnt look anime enough

>>3952229
this looks more like a /co/ dc marvel character than an animu

>>3952568
>>3952585
Well that's because she is. It's storm.

But the style I'm aiming is anime. But ok gonna try to do it more animeish.

>>3952568
>>3952585
Well that's because she is. It's storm of the xmen.

that being said, yeah that's fair. I have to make it look more anime. Thanks for the critic.

>>3952627
I'm talking more about the style used since it looks like from a dc cartoon show. But yeah you can still a capeshit character and make it look anime styled

>>3952666
That's fair. Thanks for the criticism. I gotta improv that.

>>3952666
>you can still **draw a
I'm sleepy

>>3940981
Newfag here, and I have a lot of questions. I've been learning how to draw from Loomis's Fun with a Pencil but I'm wondering how that'll transition to anime because that's all I'm interested in drawing. How do I learn how to draw anime faces and physique and go about creating my own style? Did anyone learn from copying? Did anybody learn from a later age? And should I continue with Loomis?

>>3953699
it will transition into anime. anime construction is essentially loomis construction, the proportions are different but loomis teaches that. if you're reading the book, you'll know most of the exercises are cartoonish with exaggerated proportions, not realism. the selling point is that his principles apply to any kind of face, so that includes anime. use his techniques to study anime you like and just practice. pic related are some exercises and studies i did using loomis. they aren't the best, I'm still learning, but you can get the point. and so yes, I would say continue because I feel it has helped me with breaking down a face to accurately construct it

>>3953741
based and gonnamakeitpilled

>>3953741
Thanks. But how did you learn to draw anime eyes and hair? Did you look at anime as a reference and copy or did you just look up individual tutorials on how to do each feature?

>>3953757
just copy things you like. they're simple and diverse enough to imitate and gain a better sense of how they fit on the face with practice, thats where loomis comes in. I don't feel like individual tutorials on how to draw an anime eye are useful, there's a thousand ways to draw an anime eye. you get better over time by studying anime itself

So if I want to get good I should just trace a whole lot right?

>>3953869
no

>>3953869
You need a nice pair of brains to get gud

>do a bunch of anime copies
>get burnt out
>do loomis for a while
>get burnt out
>go back to anime copies after not touching them for a bit
>i've improved at them and they feel a lot easier to do
i think i found the secret to getting good

>>3953741
is that merunyaa?

>>3953903
don't just do copies. draw from imagination too

paint 3d improves anime

is there anything that's off before i pen?

>>3946467
Cause he just released a movie

>>3954095
Aside from the hands, the hair.
Look at the upper right portion of her hair. It doesn't form properly with her skull (unless she had her skull chipped).

Ok I looked at the recommended stuff but that is a confusing fat stack of resources. I'll be looking through all of but I had a question.

What is THE big meme recommended resource on drawing teenage esc anime girl anatomy. Most anatomy books open with old men or full figured women which is stuff I'm studying but I'm looking for a more detailed resource on the anatomy that generally will be used more.

>>3954190
Naked children
Try things like recording from pool parties, some kid beauty contests or these Russian massage videos

>>3954203
I said like teenage esc not loli shit my man.

>>3954190
just copy anime bro

I can't decide if this is a dumb question or not, but is there anything like quickposes or similar sites explicitly focused on easter/anime style art?

>>3954295
dude just suck it up and draw real people when you're practicing. It will carry over to drawing anime and you will have a leg up on every other amateur artist who refuses to draw anything else but cartoons. You can even just look at the poses and try to stylize them however you want.

>>3954295
Just like
Watch anime and screenshot scenes you want to draw

>>3954300
For practicing gesture, sure, but I think having randomly assigned subjects could be a fun exercise to get you exposed to artists, styles and compositions you don't usually look for.

>>3954295
Collect anime art you like and draw it. There are programs that let you use your own pictures for timed poses though I can't remember the name of them (or just use a regular slideshow).

Use a booru like chan.sankakucomplex.com to find specific pictures through tags or randomize.

Where I can find specifics about drawing heads? Jawline and mostly chin makes me suffer from my dull knowledge and skills.

>>3954356
post your best head work i will help u bae

>>3954295
americans are so fucking lazy holy fuck

>>3941156
What is his name?

>>3954203
based

>>3953903
congrats anon!

>>3954295
I just random pick an image from my folders and do a quick gesture of it

why can't i achieve any following on twitter? should i keep posting finished art until someone notices me? how do i know that i'm not wasting my time? should i appeal to the SJW audience or what? can't figure it out. there are artists on twitter that are more worse than me (aren't drawing according to perspective) and i'm pretty sure that they spend less time on their art because it doesn't have much detail but they have more followers than me, someone that puts more time and effort into their art, i'm starting to think twitter is a meme and the only way to get followers is to suck SJW cock

>>3947074
The rendering on the asshole and dick are pretty bad but everything else is really damn nice.

>>3955019
Just post some appealing fanart and don't overthink too much.

>the only way to get followers is to suck SJW cock
No just post some decent fanart. Don't think too much about it

>>3955019
post your work

>>3955019
maybe you are not interacting with anyone/doing the stuff to get noticed

I'll give you an example, if you wanted to be "unnoticed" what would you do?
> Post randomly and only if you feel like it
> Don't comment/follow/interact with anyone, specially art related stuff
> Not using hashtags or good keywords so people can find you
> Not using instagram or other sites and upload there too
> Only drawing OC and personal random stuff, no fanart/flavor of the month/challenges
> Avoid art communities, discords, forums, etc

Just do the opposite ^ sometimes thinking backwards helps


if you post work we can give better advice

>>3955035
> Post randomly and only if you feel like it
what? what do you mean post randomly? I'm going to keep my twitter updated monthly or so, is that what you mean?
> Don't comment/follow/interact with anyone, specially art related stuff
what do you mean by interaction? Posting replies is usually creepy on twitter, but i don't know if giving likes will do anything for me, i'm just going to sink with the million others that gave a like so i'm going to like and follow other artists, hopefully they will follow me this time
> Only drawing OC and personal random stuff, no fanart/flavor of the month/challenges
can draw fanart no problem but what in the heck is month/challenges? by the way i did draw mostly fanart on my older account and only have about 70 followers which wasn't worth the time i spend on the artworks
> Avoid art communities, discords, forums, etc
whys that

>>3940981
>>3942141
Cute!!

>>3955052
based low iq retard who cant understand english

post on a schedule
posting replies isnt creepy, youre probaby just autistic. you are just like the other millions
draw trending stuff
drama

>>3955052
No signture, boring unfinished art, can't find youre twitter at all.

>>3955066
lmao
>>3955052
idk if you get that I was saying do the "OPPOSITE" to make a point


> Post randomly and only if you feel like it
try to keep a steady schedule, 1 artwork x week at least, just be active
If you post randomly and on big time lapses you don't engage

> Don't comment/follow/interact with anyone, specially art related stuff
participate on twitter threads, give likes, do RT's... just exist be there
some of the people that see the interactions will end up following

> Only drawing OC and personal random stuff, no fanart/flavor of the month/challenges
participate on art challenges you like (mermay, animay, inktober, etc)
if you do fanart/challenges use proper keywords and #'s so people can find it ( don't spam 20 hashtags tho, it's annoying)

>flavor of the month is:
a popular game came out, a popular anime, a popular tv show, basically something that is trending and you like
an example would be that bowsette thing that happened, or when a "waifu" gets very popular (re zero, nier, 02, ...)

>>3955052
drawing looks unfinished, it's fine to post a sketch as a teaser then the final piece but don't post unfinished stuff as the main thing
even while i think you need to improve it's not that bad, if you get better your audience will grow

> Avoid art communities, discords, forums, etc
If you join discord art servers/forums/etc you expose your stuff, so more potential followers. but don't spam. only do this if you feel like it


got any finished stuff to show?

>>3955066
fine then. i'm going to draw tranny shit on weekly basis

>>3955072
based, thank you for the clarification, i'm following everyone right now on my recommended and retweeting at least one from each artist, but i'm so out of the loop how do i know what art challenges are happening?

>>3955068
the point is i don't want you to find my twitter, this is something i'm working on right so of course its not finished

>>3955052
>>3955019
It's really hard to explain other than post fanart and just interact with others like a normal person. It's common sense

Also your work is not that appealing yet to get a few attentions. It's just a generic stiff looking animu with poor fundies

>>3954356
if you are talking about heads in general, theres plenty of life drawing resources out there. in terms of anime you can just copy certain shapes that you like since theres not much structure anyways

>>3947903
personally i would be far more ok with it if he copied a real person's pose and turned it into an anime, atleast with real people you have to exaggerate a lot more to create more sex appeal. i pretty much never condone copying another drawing to that degree and claiming it as an original work, designing certain shapes and silhouettes is very important part of drawing and when he pretty much copied the entire upper body and face shape, hes pretty much just doing a slightly more laborous form of tracing

>>3955077
>and retweeting at least one from each artist
care with the spam, if you RT everything your timeline will be a mess and your art will be hidden
try to keep a balance on RT and self stuff, it's annoying when you follow someone and need to scroll between all the RT's to find the original content

>>3955052
What does your finished work look like? Unless you are already established and have a seriously appealing/unique art style, no one is going to give two shits about unfinished, uncolored sketches. People want to see vibrant, well-composed finished work that catches their attention when scrolling through their feeds.

Your "muh sjws" complex makes you sound like a narcissist who is severely overestimating the worth of your drawings.

not a study but anything glaringly off or bad about this so far? getting pretty tired of drawing the lines at this point and want to start painting but i want to fix as many mistakes as possible

>>3955120
boobs are held up wromg
gun looks weird

>>3955120
Head 2 small

Shitty copy.jpg

>>3955120
whys her head leaning so hard to the right? looks fucked

>>3955120
not anime

>>3955120
quick animu fix
resized head, removed some lines in face, made hand slightly bigger

nose makes or breaks the image

>>3955151
Well I recognized the original at least.

>>3955120
quick animu fix
resized head, removed some lines in face, made hand/feet slightly bigger

nose makes or breaks the image

>>3954295
Danbooru has a screenshot tag. I guess you can just click to a random page

Random basic hoe

Why the fuck is pixiv down all day

>>3955802
Actually pixiv is down I thought my provider is being a douche again

>>3955019
Post your art on other sites like pixiv and link your twitter. I would rarely even get one like on twitter but on pixiv I get hundreds and people finally started following my twitter.
Come to think of it, I did everything >>3955035 said not to do though.

working on background first, how the fuck do I draw flowers in the grass that look nice without being overly detailed so they aren't the main focus? I have been trying for hours and hating it all

>>3956228

>>3956245
Thx anon

>>3956228
Id fix your perspective first. The gal in the back looks like a giant picking leaves off a tree. If you fix that I think it may help you figure the level of flower detail based on distance. Either move her closer or extend field past bushes.

>>3956245
>>3956228
make flowers grey, too distracting. thanka for drawing more autistic characters

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>>3957167
>>3957167
>>3957167

>>3940981

It's me the anon with the storm drawing. Tried again.

>>3957694
It frustates me to no end to be s shitty at drawing bodies. I'm studing the manequin with pin 2d....Learning a lot.