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The problem with how art is traditionally learned is that you either skip all the things you don't want to learn and go strait into learning how to draw your anime waifu (abstraction), or you bite so hard on the fundamentals that you never stop practicing them, and never move into abstraction. Forever doom to practice art without making any.

How do we break this deadlock, learning our fundamentals while not being crippled by them?

>> No.3948651

just draw incel

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>>3948643
The same way you learn any skill, applying your knowledge.

If I was learning to play a new fighting game I would first pick a character, then I would lab out one combo or tech that day till I had it down consistently, and then I would go into matches and see if I can land that combo or use that tech reliably in a real match.

If I was learning to play an instrument I would pick an instrument, then pick a song or a few chords or my scales and practice them till I could do them consistently or understood them, and then I would play the song or improvise using the chords/scales until I could reliably play them back.

Same thing with art. Pick a style and medium, grind some fundies that day until you can reliably draw/paint/model/sculpt whatever thing you were practicing, and then apply that knowledge by drawing/painting/modeling/sculpting a thing in your chosen style that incorporates or relies on the fundamental you just grinded.

>> No.3948661

>>3948643
>Dammit my art is shit.
>Practice fundamentals.
>Hah, my art is less shit. It's far better than those wannabe artists who haven't opened an art book in their life.

>> No.3948663

Grind your fundies, take some time out of your day and use those fundies youve learned and apply them for your own purposes(anime). Fuck up and learn, fix, repeat.

>> No.3949079

Hey OP, you are right. Art is pointless, maybe you should give up and throw trash from one receptacle to another?

>> No.3949089

>>3948643
Have sex

>> No.3949092

>>3948643
Learn both you retard.
In general /ic/ overrates the importance of grinding fundies though. I guarantee you that your favorite video game or manga artist was 10x better than you are now before he ever cracked open his first anatomy or perspective book. And he got that good by just drawing a lot and having fun with it, not by grinding 10,000 boxes.

>> No.3950149

>>3948643
Take time to draw without thinking about fundies and let them come out in a more subconcious way. Drawing more abstractly and getting out everything in your head is also very important

>> No.3950173

>>3948643
Is op retarded?

>> No.3950276

>>3950173
Yes anon, I thought /ic would be a nice place to ask a rhetorical question, this makes me retarded by default.

>> No.3950425

>>3948643
>The problem with how art is traditionally learned

This is how art is attempted to be learned here - traditional art education is similar exercises, but under the observation and guidance of a teacher.
Art education is an iterative process. You work to a certain level, work on that plateau for a while, then head for the next level. The basic ideas and techniques can be taught (with the right structure) in two years, and then the student heads into upper level work refining and expanding, and often focusing on one medium or area of study/exploration.

The way to break the deadlock is to never have one. Instead of spending 6 weeks drawing boxes, do the initial exercises, then apply that to more complex drawings. One exercise we got in high school was being taught the basics of perspective, and then getting an assignment over a week to draw our bedroom the way it is, using two point perspective, and then drawing a fantasy version of how we'd like our bedrooms. Detail wasn't important, as the overall shapes. Then, we had to redo the fantasy room with more detail, lighting, and texture, the teacher gave a tutorial on basic lighting beforehand.
"Grinding fundies" just makes you good at grinding fundies. Applying the concepts of the fundamentals is more educational, after a week or so of basic concepts and exercises. Like, draw basic shapes in perspective...then draw a simple still life using perspective.
/IC tends to be:
1.Grind fundies
2. ????
3. Making it

It's a LITTLE more than that.

>> No.3950432

>>3948643
>How do we break this deadlock, learning our fundamentals while not being crippled by them?
/ic/ is the only place on the internet where people make up reasons why they're worse off for practicing how to draw. Jesus christ.

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>>3950432
I dunno ppl on Art DC like to point out how grinding fundamentals "will just destroy their unique style".

You know... cause their style IS drawing abdominations.