/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I have done "real" jobs in the past. You can bet I bailed on them as soon as an art-related opportunity came along.

>>3934864
making art can be a job like any other, and nothing is too low for you, get out of your ass

you cant become an artist if you spend too much time working other jobs, but the world cant function only on art, balance nigga

>>3934864
>Normie jobs are designed to leech all of the creativity and individuality out of their workers
To be honest if you want to make money with your art you also have to abandon all creativity and individuality

>>3934908
Old masters dedicated their entire lives to art. What makes you think anything less is a worthwhile investment of your time?

Daily reminder that at least 1/4 of your life is already gone. Quit your job and work on what actually matters to you before it's too late.

>>3934864
Dude just read art & fear and stop making these threads

>are you sure you want to do this art thing? How are you going to make money?

Normies will never comprehend art. All that matters to them is money and status. Keep going after the beauty and meaning that holds real value in life. Even if you never "make it", your life will have been 500x more meaningful than these drones.

>>3934920
old blacksmiths dedicated their entire lives to their craft
old masons dedicated their entire lives to their craft
old carpenters dedicated their entire lives to their craft
old shoemakers dedicated their entire lives to their craft
doctors dedicate their entire lives to their craft
soldiers dedicate their entire lives to their craft
whats your point? nothing you dont put your 100% into is worthwhile, but sometimes you are not good enough, for various reasons, for what you want to do. And you still have to eat until that point. So why is work which is not your endgoal but a sustain until that point beneath you?

>>3934981
If you want to be a great doctor, you study your ass off and get into school to become a great doctor. You dont spend 10 years of your life working at a gas station hoping you'll "make it" as a doctor by magic.

It's not beneath me, other jobs hold value just as art does. It just is not what I am meant to do and it is not my goal in life. Life without art for me has no meaning. Ive compromised on luxuries in life to be able to prioritize art, and that is what works for me and makes me feel fulfilled. Time spent doing things I don't need to do in order to achieve status or convenience is time I could be spending doing art. I only have one life and one day it will be over. I need to become the best I am capable of before I die. It is not about "making it", it is about not wasting my life.

Le true artist

>>3934991
then you have somebody to pay your bills but also impose on a certain career path and this discussion is not about doing what you need, but doing what you want

we were talking about different thing so lets end it here, and next time word your OP better

>>3935001
I'm not OP, just responded to your post. No one is paying my bills, I make sacrifices to live this way that no one would make on a whim or for fun. I need to make art because I am an artist. It isnt that hard to comprehend.

Tbh OP is right. If you don't have the drive, you end up like these cucks ITT that make excuses about "not having the time", including me.

If you're such a great artist, pyw

Go to art school or a local university with an art major and live in the dorms. "Muh bills" problem solved.

>>3934864
I don't have art autism, I just have regular autism. I'm incapable of holding down a job and have been on neetbux for years. Is going all in on art a good option? I don't have anything else.

The only bills you need to pay is those that allows you to succeed in this life. Your life expectancy is fixed. Your time limited. Capitalize on this truth. Become the best you can be

We are all fucked boiz

>>3934864
Starvation.

>>3935078
the only true reason one would want to rely on doodling as their primary income source

>>3934981
this is a retarded point, every profession you listed had an apprenticeship. They'd take some dumbass 12 year old and forge them into a tradesman.
Things are very different now days and you would have to be retarded to apply an apprenticeship metaphor to the development of the current 'made it' artists.

>>3934991
based

>>3934864
He was in the military. I'm pretty sure he could handle satarabakasu

>>3934864
Twitter followers.

>>3934975
This is a thing, he’s not just insane

You're a "true artist" if you make art. The end.

>>3934864
>isn't the mark of a true artist the fact that they're practically incapable of doing anything but art?
This is the stupidest mindset and you wouldn't find it in ANY other profession or hobby.

Is the mark of a true musician the fact that they're practically incapable of doing anything but music? Of course not, plenty of musicians dabble in a ton of other projects and shit, and have lives outside of music. Guess what, that makes them normal, well-rounded people.

If you wanna live in shit and squalor to become a "troo artist" then be my guest. Also enjoy that shortened lifespan because of the financial stress, the deadlines stress, and so on. Many """"great"""" artists died a lot younger because of burnout and not taking care of themselves.

>>3934991
Mostly true but if you're not lucky enough to find cheap accommodations and food you need a very supportive family/SO to help you pursue your goals. Most people here in america can't do this and end up as wageslaves at the local dollar store

>>3934864
This is bait and doesn't even merit a proper reply, but have one anyway.

>"real job"
Should be mandatory. Every single person on earth should be made to work in a fast-paced environment. Even retail - especially retail. Nobody is above it; you build work ethic through learning time management, delegation/system of operations for maximizing productivity, and social skills are born out of necessity.

>KJG
No, guy's got excellent discipline and work ethic. He'd have been great at any job.

>Normie jobs ... workers
You drink soda? Coke? Pepsi? Bauxite has to be mined, moved to a reduction mill, then a smelter, then a hot roller, then a cold roller, then the actual can maker who, for expense and efficiency reasons, is only going to manufacture the same type of can in a large quantity because that's the most productive thing to do, then a warehouse, then a bottler, then another warehouse, then a distribution center's warehouse, then to the store you'll end up buying it from to your home. If you recycle it, it goes to the recycle center, to a remelter, right back on the hot roller and becomes reintegrated in the can-production process. And that's all just for the aluminum can. Sure, a lot machinery does most of the hard work. But someone has to clean those things. Someone has to make sure their parts are in working order. Not everyone is ready to do what they want to actually do; likewise, not everyone wants to be doing the same things in their meantimes, hence why there's a job market and not some sort of premeditated selection process like in Anthem.

>an artist ... -term
You don't know shit about shit if you think anyone takes themselves seriously takes their life that gingerly.

>Being ... regardless of skill ... extremely autistic...
Yeah, that's you. You, the average 4chan shitposter. No skill, extremely autistic, dedicated to the craft of shitposting.

>Artists can't and shouldn't live mundane lives
Artists are people, not some hybridization of our species. Many have, can, and will continue to lead unremarkable lives. Yourself included.

>even if they need $300/mo low income housing and going to the food bank
>I think true artists consider that a worthwhile sacrifice
Really? Because I think a bunch of meth addicts, niggers, spics, thieves, career mothers, surprise parents who couldn't keep the condom on, and other assorted lazy human trash that couldn't break the triple digits in IQ also consider this a worthwhile sacrifice - a worthwhile sacrifice of every man and woman that do work for a living, including your "true artists" who still have to pay taxes to pay for your collectively worthless, unproductive existence.

I'd let you starve before a cent of my tax money went to your NEET lifestyle.

But I digress: you're either underage or baiting because it's apparent you know nothing about how life works. You probably just watched some social construct video and got yourself worked up because they occasionally used some buzzwords that you understood. There's a difference between having a job and doing a job. Anyone can be a lazy piece of shit, most people are, but other people are successful regardless of what they do because they put in the same effort year-round. They build their energy level up to function at a higher level than, say, you.

>>3935122
Everyone in his country has to go into the military. If he didn't go to art school, he wouldn't have gone to college at all, because all he wanted to do was draw. That's why his parents were okay with it. Not exactly the pinnacle of a well rounded person that can live like normies. "Can technically do it" doesnt equal that you really should.

I am a freelance artist who averages like 700 USD per month and split the bills with my s/o.
yeah I need foodstamps and have medicaid

i don't feel so much like I woudl kill myself with a regular job, but I would feel like
>When is my life going to begin?
Because when I wasn't freelancing I just felt like I was waiting to become an artist.
I think for some people their paths just go a certain way, and if you're on the wrong path because you're afraid of the financial dip you're going to subconciously know you're doing the wrong thing for yourself

>>3935242
Keep it up anon, you have a good solid foundation, and in a few years your audience will have expanded and you'll have another few hundred a month. You're doing the right thing for yourself. Just make sure to practice outside of commissions so you don't stagnate.

OP is obviously shitposting, but wow, you can really see the bitter people that wish they were fulltime ITT.

>isn't the mark of a true artist the fact that they're practically incapable of doing anything but art
No.
>KJG would have been an abysmal failure at a "normal job"
What do you know about that?
>Normie jobs are designed to leech all of the creativity and individuality out of their workers
No, they're not.
>an artist would sooner kill themselves than work retail long-term
Is mommy trying to force you to move out and get a retail job?

Look up on wiki all of the famous artists. Da vinci, van gogh, monet... Not all of them were artists their entire lives, but there is a clear overall pattern. Almost all of them dedicated a large part of their life exclusively to art. You can work temporarily at a dead end job until your situation improves, but if you want true skill in your art, you will eventually have to go full time. There just isn't enough time in the day for you to significantly improve by drawing after work, unless you have an autistic hyperfocus, which most people do not. Thats just the sad reality.

>>3934864
I think that true artists can end up with those type of jobs, but it kills them inside if it doesn't kill them literally. I know some artists like that and you can just see it isnt what they are meant to do. They are not literally incapable, but in spirit they are simply different from others. Your viewpoint is a bit black and white, but there's a truth to it. If at all possible, artists really should dedicate their lifetime

(Im not an artist, i just lurk)

>>3935021
Yes. Autists are already severely underemployed, but if they can get a job in their special interest (and it seems like art is yours), their chances significantly improve.

>>3934864

>>3935234
>No skill, extremely autistic, dedicated to the craft of shitposting.
Amen brother

>>3934932
Half of it, in my case. I won't live to 60 assuming I don't kill myself first. I'm giving it all.

>>3935626
Wow I do NOT like this graphic.

>>3934864
>that they're practically incapable of doing anything but art
>KJG would have been an abysmal failure at a "normal job".
>>3935267
>but it kills them inside if it doesn't kill them literally
Artist is just a made up role like anything else. No one is born to be an artist. People are capable of just about anything with the proper discipline and mind. Some are fortunate to find a niche that they stick to and become masters at. Whatever that is, nowhere is it written that this is what they were meant to do.
Maybe KJG would be just as happy if he never drew and grew up living an entirely different life with completely different set of skills. The only people that suffer over this are those who have invested in the belief that being an artist is their particular life purpose, despite it not being the reality. So they disappoint themselves when their idealism doesn't match the truth. Perhaps you can be an artist full time and do this type of work but how do you know you wouldn't be able to live as something else and do just as well? People will believe just about anything to justify their lifestyle and keep their head in the sand.

>>3935626
Hah, that's really not so much when you look at it. I find myself thinking how fast weeks go by these days.
>>3935852
I don't like it either but it's the truth.

>>3936158
Creativity itself is actually a rare trait that most people do not have. Someone may not be born an artist, but they are born creative, and there are life paths that work well for creatives and paths that don't.

>>3936378
You'd be surprised by how much the environment one's raised in contributes to cognitive abilities. Things like intelligence and creativity probably have a genetic factor, but it's skewed a fair bit towards nurture.

>>3936378
>>3936473
I still agree with your general point tho. Ppl should gauge their strengths and act accordingly.

>>3934864
I would rather vanish into the void than sacrifice my time to """"work""" and be """productive"""".
If you get a look at the bigger picture, you'll see that a "job" is just a scam to get you to propagate this enslavement system on behalf of the "people" who own all the money with the promise that "you're going to become as rich as them if you work 24/7".
Also, you have no options; either "work" or die as "we" demonize your kind.
>b-b-but muh econimi
>muh jubs that nobody would do
It's all a scam.
If people want to eat from trees and make cave paintings all day, why shouldn't they be allowed to but have to struggle in this artificially created faggotry to live out their humanity?
It feels all so pointless.

>>3936819
How are you going to get your graphite, charcoal, colored pencils then? Who's going to make your paints? How much time are you willing to spend making your own paper and canvases?

You stupid nigger. You take everything for granted, think nothing of the wondrous day and age you live in, and have the audacity to think you're entitled to a comfortable life of having other people provide everything you would actually need to do what it is you want to do, all free of charge, even when you obviously suck cock at it and don't care at all about making art because you sit around on your fat ass shitposting "woe is me" to a bunch of people who do not give a flying fuck about you.

You literal retard. Just kill yourself already. You're never going to make it.

>>3936822
>hurr
>muh pencils
>muh graphite
>muh charcoal
>b-b-but muh consumerism
>STOP WANTING TO BE HUMAN REEEE
>durr
Wow, it's not like all the things you need to live and do stuff come from the earth and trees etc.
You are proof the end can't come soon enough.
gtfo my planet, lizard

>>3936826
That's right you greasy, fat, smelly, unwashed cockhead. Respond to me as quickly as possible. Keep lurking, you filthy cunt-drip. Keep waiting for my reply. Ignore your art. Don't bother taking what time you could be taking now to work on anything. You have no talent, no skill, you're a worthless hack, your life is shit because you yourself are shit.

You'll never get laid because no girl would ever be into a pitiful faggot like you. Likewise, no man would ever pound your ass raw, homo, fag rapist, or whatever else, because you're not even desirable enough to want to make into a bitch.

Be a wage slave and die alone, nigger.

>>3936835
>Imagine being this much of an assblasted normiefaggot
Did i corrupt your programming sequence by inputting a wrongthink, NPC-kun?

>>3936840
I have you by the balls. I'm right under your blotchy acne-infested skin. I am the pressure beneath your zit. Come on, pizzaman. Pop me.

>>3935626
This makes me feel incredibly young at 29. 15 wasn't even that long ago.

>>3936842
Are you alright, h0oman?
Your algorithm makes no sense. Do you need to see an IT-expert?

>>3936846
Literal meme nigger. No wonder you have no artistic talent. All your RAM was used on shitty pictures and greentexts. Of course you have a bunch of girl reaction images. Saving pictures of something you'll never be nor be with.

>>3936846
>>3936842
you two should fuck

>>3936849
I fuck all the time. It's this meme-machine faggot-loving niggerman who needs to get fucked.

>>3936848
Who hurt you? Do you need someone to talk to?

>>3936851
I meant you guys should fuck each other. There's tension here.

>>3936852
More girls.
>Who hurt you?
Nice projection, faggot. Don't worry, I hear you can get those acne scars to disappear with a bit of lemon juice mixed in with some bleach.

>Do you need someone to talk to?
Nah, I have your mom on speed dial. And your dad. Faggot.

much big think going on in this thread.
surely, loomis is the solution.
best of luck.

>>3936855
You get a A for effort but an F for creativity.
But, if you want to vent to subdue your insecurity complex, i might suggest professional help.

>>3936859
>saved rotoscoped weeb meme
dude ayy lmao memes are cool xD

You have no room to talk about creativity or effort. You have neither.

You want to see creativity, effort, and a lack of insecurity in action? You can have the last (You), anon. Been nice playing with you, son, but dad's got work to do. Remember: your memes are as realized as your dreams. oof

Peace out, niggerboy.

>>3936861
>All this back and forth was to reassure himself that he isn't doing the wrong thing by being used as a wageslave to enrich his masters
We have witnessed peak NPCness. That there would be such a time humans could actively interact with lifeless being; Truly, what a wonderful time we live in.

I don't even get the point of this thread, let alone why it generated such a heated debate. The only thing that defines you as an artist is the art that you produce, no more and no less. Stop coming up with these ridiculous ideas and principles or at least stop trying to impose them on everyone else.

>>3936866
Dude, you are as much of a faggot as he is. And judging by the overall content of your posts, probably lower iq than the average 4chan user.

Leave /ic/. >>>/b/ is more your speed.

>>3936822
not that anon but people are clearly not referring to useful artisan work when they mean work. Sitting in an office making shitty advertisements for a shit company that makes nothing useful to the world is not a job, it's a waste of time. Standing in front of a register asking people if they want large fries is not a job. There's no dignity in it.

i want to live in a cave and hunt for prey and use the preys blood to draw cute catgirls on the wall and rip their raw flesh and get sick and die

>>3934864
artists can be pretty diverse people
gi i think is kind of a normal guy, he was in the army and all that like most south koreans (or all of them? i forgot if it was a requirement) and he seems kind of well-adjusted, but of course i'm sure he wants to do art most of all.
there's shit that i think i can handle, career-wise, but obviously i want to pursue art full time, and retail is just about the worst torture i can imagine.
artists can work normal jobs, basically. but some can't.
i'd trade high income for a low income life drawing whatever i want, 9 times out of 10

>>3934864
ones that don't use patreon to draw soulless fapbait

>>3936859
is it bad that I think that animation is really cute
I hate moeblob