/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3921586
What about when they ask you a specific question?

>>3921590
I'll reply of course, just wasn't too sure about the more general "thank you" comments

>>3921586
My priority is the pen and vain attempt to turn into Tkmiz. Not being a social butterfly.

>>3921586
I don't know why but a lot of comments are really fucking incoherent, especially on instagram.

>>3921586
10k followers so far.
I mostly reply to art-related stuff. I make a point of never talking about my life or politics in particular. I try to appear friendly but to keep a bit of distance.

Put a like to nice compliments, reply if anyone asks questions.
If anyone sends you a DM with compliments thank them, if they ask to talk/become friends tell them kindly that you don't have the time to.
If you receive a random insult on your art don't reply, ESPECIALLY if it's someone with "MAP" on their profile (twitter is filled with these pedos istigating artists to respond so they can spam/dogpile you)
Try not to reply with images that aren't art, people want to browse your gallery and memes are annoying
Don't engage in politics/culture war/whatever the shit. Only untalented checkmarks do that

>>3921638
>MAP
What's up with that?

>>3921586
I always reply or say "thanks" when people say something to me, unless it's redundant to answer so I just put a like on it. I know that saying "thanks" every time sounds artificial but I mean it, I hate communicating with "likes".

>>3921638
>If you receive a random insult on your art don't reply, ESPECIALLY if it's someone with "MAP" on their profile (twitter is filled with these pedos istigating artists to respond so they can spam/dogpile you)
I don't get this, how do they dogpile on you and why?

>>3921638
>If anyone sends you a DM with compliments thank them, if they ask to talk/become friends tell them kindly that you don't have the time to.
What do you guys do when people ask for "art trades" or free drawings in general? I had some people, hopefully kids, start really difficult conversations with me where they started showing me bizarre stuff for some reason and I legitimately had no idea how to answer without offending them

>>3921586
If its a popular post i cant say thanks to everyone because im scared of annoying my follower with their timeline full of me saying thanks to randoms. ill drop a few thanks to other artists that comment and leave it at that. and obviously if someone asks a legit question. i always worry about accidentally coming across as a dick

>>3921638
>Only untalented checkmarks do that
based

>>3921651
it means Minor Attracted Person, a 'nice' way for pedophiles to call themselves
>>3921675
>I don't get this, how do they dogpile on you and why?
The way it works is:
One of them insults you for no reason. When you respond, an organized group of them comes to defend their fellow pedo. You get spammed every day, for hours and hours, and the only way to get rid of them is to say "I don't have anything against MAPs". They think having a popular artist normalize them will help them out. It's insane, I know. Thank the tumblr disaster for having twitter filled with these fuckers now.
>>3921675
>What do you guys do when people ask for "art trades" or free drawings in general? I had some people, hopefully kids, start really difficult conversations with me where they started showing me bizarre stuff for some reason and I legitimately had no idea how to answer without offending them
I tend to tell them the truth aka "I have no time to do free art". That's the nicest way to deal with it. If they insist just mute them, the mute tool is wonderful

>>3921934
>You get spammed every day, for hours and hours, and the only way to get rid of them is to say "I don't have anything against MAPs"
kek what the fuck

on instagram/facebook/youtube, what do you do with reactions/messages to your stories? On insta they appear as message requests, do you hit allow and say thanks? I hate the typical chit chat that starts after that point though.
Are stories even that useful for growing your social media anyway?

>>3921586
Like replies
Reply to any that ask a question or have a lot of effort put in

There's no secret formula to it you autists, just do what you want.

>>3921934
>You get spammed every day, for hours and hours, and the only way to get rid of them is to say "I don't have anything against MAPs"

>>3921586
Reply if you want to. Don't if you don't.

People that reply get more comments, but don't feel like you HAVE to.

>>3921934
I never really cared about blocklists because It usually just seemed like a way to surround yourself with an echochamebr. But there really needs to be some kind of blacklist for MAP accounts. Not even people who justfl fapped to lolicon/shotacon art was ever this bad.

>Thank the tumblr disaster for having twitter filled with these fuckers now.

I think none of us ever realized how much of a containment zone Tumblr ever was.

>>3921586
Did anyone else have the problem of following too many people when they started their account (I use my account for mainly fanart)? There's a few people I followed because I thought they would follow me back but they never did. I could just unfollow them but it would be awkward because they on occasion still RT/like my art sometimes.

Sometimes I feel like I want to completely delete my account and start fresh in a new fandom. Or even better don't create a new account and just focus on improving in my art. Then when the newest trendy anime starts I would be at a decent skill level to start actually gaining followers. I feel "stuck" right now in regards to my account growth.

>>3922624
Just soft block them so the other guy doesn't follow you either

>>3921586
a good way to interact on twitter is to leave a nice comment when you genuinely like a piece of art

>>3921586
>that one guy who replies to every post of mine and waiting for me to react

>>3922624
>There's a few people I followed because I thought they would follow me back but they never did
Why the fuck would you do that?

What's with you guys and being such push overs all the time to random people on Twitter and crap? I understand avoiding conflict by not letting your views slip and such, but if someone online actually actively seeks conflict against you, you should tell them to fuck off and block them. If they seriously summon their personal army on you, that's just free publicity anyway, even if it's bad. It might even work in your benefit even more because people that antagonize those types will view you as an ally, and you can build up a like-minded fanbase
>>3921601
I've noticed this too. Do normal people just go totally braindead when they send a message on their phone or something?

I fucking hate social media. Is there another way?

How the hell do you guys get 10k followers in less than 10 years. I get like one follower a week and I post art every other day.
Is it just porn / fanart?

>>3925107
Maybe you suck? Quality > quantity

>>3925107
post blog

>>3925120
>>3925110
I don't wanna post blog. I swear I don't suck according to /ic/.

>>3925107
1 follower every 8 months master race reporting in

>>3925151
I'm not convinced. You thinking you don't suck gives me more reason to think you suck.

>>3925050
Another way to what?

>>3925151
maybe you lack appeal? describe your art then.

>>3925107
I do fan art and I got my fair share of followers so I'd like to share some of my opinion on followers when doing fan art.

Generally it's a good idea to share your work to where people in the fandom hang out so they could notice your work instead of having it getting buried by tons of other post on social media. Once you get a number of followers who share your work often the snowball will starts to roll itself. Reddit works absolutely great for me and I'm grateful for that, although certain subs are less lenient towards self-advertising so watch out for that.

Also one thing I've noticed is that not all fandoms are created equal, fandom that are filled with good art will generally pay less attention to newer work in general. Look at One Punch Man for example, people in that fandom are more excited towards Murata's own art and memes/jokes so they don't nearly have the same amount of passion for other artist's work.

I don't have much experience with original art (i.e work that doesn't belong to any existing IP) but I've heard that sharing your work to the right circle works wonder. Say you like to draw cactus for example, you will need to find yourself a cacti-lover community and share your work there.

The takeaway from this is that you should actively share your work with the right community and link it to your social media, instead of posting on social media only and hope for the best.

I have around 325k followers and I only respond to specific questions, very thought-out responses, or to the first few comments on a post. But even then, not always. It gets very, very draining.

>>3925206
>>3925221
I put some thought into it and I just can't compete with the stuff that gets posted on Instagram. It's pretty much like ArtStation with top tier professionals making professionally shot and edited video timelapses of photorealistic artwork. How the fuck do these people produce portfolio tier pieces every other day? You go in the discover section and every single thing is a portfolio piece. I can make a thing on this level maybe every few months.
If you exclude the fanart and occasional sjw thing the quality bar is set so high.
Fuck, I don't want 300k followers but even literally whos have insane art.

>>3925249
I don't do fanart

Don't go full deviantart artist by constant replying. This is especially common with low-trash tier artists who reply to every single comment.

>>3925641
>thanks for the visiting my page!

>>3925645
>t-thanks for the Llama!

>>3925308
>325k followers
what the fuck ? top artists have 30k followers, the most I've seen is 100k
is this the power of furporn or what

>>3925657
>>3925308
if true this person has more followers than sakimichan
bullshit

>>3921934
This just sounds to me like a tactic to coerce people to make a false confession. As in those accounts don't need to be actual pedophiles, but might as well just be a mob trying to get whoever they dislike to say ''I am for pedophiles'' so they can switch to their moral outcry accounts later to destroy the person. Like gathering ammo.

A group of cultists surrounds you and tortures you until you agree to join them, and then they reveal they were part of the inquisition and burn you at the stake for heresy. A favorite tactic of communists, incidentally

>>3925655
what the fuck was even the point of llamas? never understood that shit

>>3925655
They're still doing that shit?

>>3925820
Deviantart's version of epeen points plus 'lol llamas are random xd xd'

>>3925633
>I don't do fanart
that's your problem.Grind out fanart to get followers and when you start gaining followers begin posting your original works.

How often should i be posting on social media?

Just started Twitter. Posted one pic. There is one like and it is from bot. In the insta when I posted first pic I had lots of likes and followers immediately. Why doesn’t it work similar in Twitter?

>>3925947
Insta has a better algorithm for sharing your stuff to random people, especially if you use hashtags.

>>3925947
I have the same issue.
Less than 20 followers on twitter, 50+ on IG.
However, I assume a lot of my follows are just bots.
Twitter also just feels more meme-y than IG. Unless there's drama for you to make reaction pic comments too (see the projared crap), it's not going to get a lot of attention.
Or being a prominent figure in the art community.

>>3925947
people dont look at tags

>>3925107
>I get like one follower a week and I post art every other day.
>Is it just porn / fanart?
I do both and still get the same 3+ amount of fans. Most people that already had thousands already got a fanbase 5-10 years ago or so.

>>3925982
Tags are useful because when some fag types "Detective Pikachu" in the search bar your Pikachu art might show up even if it has 0 likes/retweet. That's what they're here for. Tag your work properly anon.

>>3926251
Not him, so tagging your work based on the subject matter, will be seen more than a post with more or less likes/retweets? Does likes really make it easier to see a post, or is it only retweets if not by tagging?
t.brainlet

>>3926264
>>3926251
Twitter's algorithm randomly selects posts to put in "top tweets" when you make a search so you might not show up even if you're not banned or filtered, while a porn drawing from 2015 with 0 likes is the first result. I don't think people actually bother clicking on "latest"
Twitter is a completely shit platform to rely on for popularity IMO

>>3925970
Instagram is a lot more competitive in terms of quality. The level of art is like artstation and the top pros are always the first suggestions so it's really hard to stand out with Twitter memes. Twitter is a lot lower quality and centered on trends and chitchat so it's much more important to be a sjw or talk about the latest current thing than posting good art because Twitter feeds are mostly text anyway. Also the compression is really shit, I can't believe how mangled my Instagram pics came out on Twitter.
I think Twitter sucks if you're not posting porn or you're not a person who compensates for shit art with virtue signaling, Instagram is way better if you want to actually post art but it's so damn competitive.

Instagram and Twitter are both so goddamn shitty but are the only places people use anymore if you want to upload art. Being a new artist absolutely fucking sucks right now

>>3921638
>Try not to reply with images that aren't art, people want to browse your gallery and memes are annoying
this what pisses me off about art-accounts
>see a good artist being reblogged
>oh cool art-lets see what else did he draw!
>his account is a meme and reblog videos shitfest
every fucking time

>>3925641
>Don't go full deviantart artist by constant replying. This is especially common with low-trash tier artists who reply to every single comment.
wrong
you are trash tier artist.
People usually love badass professionals even more when they genunine and responsive
i have no friends IRL and i have 24k on twitter and i love to talk to people and they notice that and i get even more fanbase growth

>>3926302
>You are the trash tier artist
>Claims that badass professionals are responsive on the platform
You have not been on Deviantart long enough, or even use the site at all.

>>3926302
By "full DeviantArt" he probably means shit like "@anon thanks for the like!" which was really a low key way of advertising yourself on other people's pages

>>3926576
>>3926356
that's a made up thing
Twitter don't have a "Wall" where people can post thanks and hello
its impossible to go to someone's profile and say thanks for like or something.
all interraction happens only inside your drawing post and when 1 day passed nobody will ever visit that drawing comment section.

typical 4chin autismo complaining

>>3926586
>Goes on about Twitter mechanics
>believes that pro artists on Deviantart that rarely or never respond as "that's a made up thing"
Quite an irony you go on about Twitter.

I never reply to bland "looks good!" comments. I sometimes reply to critique, and maybe sometimes when the comment was funny. Regardless, it's best to keep engagement low on social media because that shit is just plain poison.

>>3921592
Just wait a while for all the asskissing commenta to pile up and do an "edit: thanks everybody for your support and kind words!" on the OP.

>>3926281
Whenever I end up on artist twitter every other account is filled w saturated anthro avis, fan art and constant drama. Where are the people that just post and experiment?

>>3925107
I'm about a month deep and up to 100

>>3927527
I used to ask little things like "I love the effect on [thing]! Did you do this by using [technique]?" nothing compromising like implying tracing or photobashing or whatever, just dumb shit like if you used a layer with a certain blending mode or whatever. Not even once I got a reply to this kind of insight question so I stopped. Now I just use likes

>>3925662
>>3925657
you guys, there are tons of artists on instagram with 350k+ followers

>>3929637
They're all top tier professionals, I doubt any of those lurks this board

>>3929638
I wouldn't be too quick to jump to that! A lot of them are big nerds, and sometimes not even that good, just well branded.

>>3929644
and/or started out here

>>3921934
>You get spammed every day, for hours and hours, and the only way to get rid of them is to say "I don't have anything against MAP
Did this happened to a famous artist?

As far as Twitter goes, you should disable DMs as soon as possible and never look back. It's the absolute fucking worst when furry schizos think you're their best friend now because you drew something they liked.

>>3931093
This is very useful to me thank you
Para social relationships scare me

>>3931093
>when furry schizos think you're their best friend now because you drew something they liked.
>>3931531
>Para social relationships scare me

Could be worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ykla-6GVU
This happens more often than people think.

>>3931538
Forgot to add this
Comic Artist Ethan Van Sciver had a stalker who tried to become friends with his wife and kept sending him shit to sign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLh2hUVmT_Y

>>3931545
>>3931538
Man those video titles are clickbait as fuck.

>>3931545
>>3931538
you will never have a stalker if you have no followers

>>3925151
That fact your scared to post your blog probably means your not as good as you think.

>>3933548
I simply don't want the attention and posting art here to make a point is pointless. I've done it and every time people just told me to draw fanart.

>>3933550
>"posting art here to make a point is pointless"
No its not you dweeb, your asking for help on gaining a following online. If we can see what level your art is at we can help determine what you need to grow. Yes you'll probably get a few d/ic/ks saying your art is bad, that always happens. However if your looking for really criticism for growth, posting your work is the best way to go about it.
I'm not trying to be an asshole. I'm trying to help you mate.

>>3924583
notice him sempai

>>3925050
Neocities

>>3931093
Tumblr really started going downhill when they implemented a messenger system that you can't turn off, allowing any rando communicate with you directly.

>>3921638
this

>>3933562
I know what you mean but I always get the same answers.

question: I do not spend too much time on social media and I just post my art then forget about it, but sometimes I waste a bit of time on my feed and interact with people, or post something humorous unrelated to art. These posts don't clog my feed or anything, but I periodically prune everything that isn't my art or people directly @ing me in a conversation, so you only get my art and the conversations I have with people who comment on my art when you scroll down.
Is this pruning habit bad or annoying? I don't think anybody looks at your old feed a week later or cares about the meme you posted. When I see an artist I like I just want to see his art so it makes sense to me to remove all unnecessary posts when they're past their relevance.
I really hate social media

>>3933883
I dont think its bad to prune not art images from your media but deleting your text replies might put people off or make it look like you're shy or ashamed. It's just kinda awkward. Deleting images from media that aren't art is a blessing though, I've seen so many artists destroy their media section and it's so hard to find their art. Dont delete your text replies though or you might struggle to keep a following.

>>3924583
>that guy that is a follower of one of your friends and whenever your friend comments on your post he does it too like a mindless follower dog

>>3925107
first year on twitter I made 100 followers, second I made like 900, third year im almost hitting 15K, you sometimes get a boom when other people start discovering your shit and retweet em.

>>3931093
>>3931093
"wanna rp?"

>>3936524
sorry for asking but do you draw porn/fanart

>>3936656
yeah, to both

>>3936702
is there one person on this entire board who managed to get any followers without porn?

>>3921607
How do you start off your account to gain initial following, apart from "draw good lel"? Hashtag spamming and hoping fanarts on big franchises? Ass licking big artists? I'm so fucking lost with all this social media business I don't even know where to start.

>>3938129
It’s just like being popular in high school. You were popular, right anon?

>>3938138
Please don't fucking do this to me

>>3938138
>>3938151
It actually feels like the opppsite. It seems like all the "losers" who weren't popular in high school finally got their chance to shine due to social media. Forget high school, now you can have hundreds of thousands of people who can love and adore you. But if you was absolutely in the bottom of the social ladder, as in not even friends with the "losers", you can get lost navigating social media.

>>3938208
>It seems like all the "losers" who weren't popular in high school finally got their chance to shine due to social media.
lol no, the "losers" and "nerds" you see on social media are all rich people with a geeky persona.

>>3936737
temeh

>>3938498
it doesn't even come up in google search