/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Please tear this generic weeb anatomy aprat

as posted on prev beg:

Started drawing again last week, mostly some draw a box stuff and started with loomis today. Any critique would be appreciated .

https://createlet.com/best-drawing-books/

Asking not so much if the books listed arte good, but if the order of reading and learning is actually legit.

I've been focusing on improving my observation skills and I think this has to be a milestone for me. Any improvements I could do later on are appreciated

>>3908456
Those bugs and toaster are great, however, I think you should work on shading a bit, especially the mashroom could be smoother. Maybe you should try buying softer pencil...

>>3908464
Keep in mind your line quality. This drawing would look 2x better if the lines were not as wobbly and broken.

>>3908493
I've been noticing that my linework is thicker and more rough. Any tips on getting better linework and better quality with lines. I would draw in lines but would often restate it or erase it.

Shit sucks

>>3908444
Catgirls rot your brain

Lmao that was my pic, I'm flattered.

Dicking around with oil paint today. Trying to get small shit is a pain in the ass.

>>3908539
It's accrurate to the avrage /ic/ user anon, did you ever do crabchan with it?

>>3908486

Thanks for the feedback, I agree that I need to work on my shading but I'm moving away from pencils to a 0.5 liner to really bring out all my mistakes.

Accidentally drew mao, oops!

>>3908551
What's the point of guide lines when you don't follow them.

>>3908555
I did initially but altered the shape of the skull to make it look more humanoid and less ball like.

THE SAME FUCKING WINDOW...
FAILURE
now now, I cant draw, I want to but I cant draw and Ive been stuck trying to make lines from the shoulder, I dont draw for fun because I have no idea what to do, never done anything, so I cant draw, I cant use my shoulder and I'm a failure.
Fuck this fucking window

>>3908575

>>3908589
There is no technical skill, hell, my real name might aswel be zero, that's all there is. I don't have any idea of what to draw, and it will look like shit. Wish I could nuke myself, with a fucking real nuke.

>>3908591
In that case, try this diagram instead.

>>3908592
FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR MOTHER

>>3908593
stop being a little bitch

>>3908595
>little bitch
so what? it's fate that gave me no talent, im stuck on shitty lines and I just cant draw. aLl of you human bastards aRe a piece of shit, so much better than me huh? WELL FUCK YOU

>>3908593
You know it's bad, you know why it's bad, and you know you'll do better in the future. Your only real issue is an attitude that failure's unacceptable, when it's actually a stepping stone. I think it would legitimately aid your progress to chill out and take it less seriously.

>>3908598
most people here have just learned to embrace the suck
lower your fucking expectations and learn to enjoy the process or give up

Reminder to filter tripfags

>>3908598
There's not a human being on this planet that had honestly good work at first. Talent is a lie, and you'd do well to realize that unless you have a legitimate handicap, you decide your skill with the effort you put in. Expecting that you'll just suddenly have "talent" take over, or that anyone does is toxic and frankly insulting to the people who worked hard for that "talent". Isn't there a rant thread you can post in?

>>3908607
These are cool but if you're going to make the scribblies then you should use a lighter color pen like light blue or light green so your overlay of color can better define the form you made. But it's just an opinion.

Before you send ne to the anime thread, I had no other idea what to draw
It looks like shit and Iwas mixing all my pivots. FAILURE

>>3908601
I have no expectations and no hope too
>>3908600
Failure is a constant and eternal.
>>3908605
Lies, the gap can never be closed, humanity is bullshit.

>>3908607
Similar to what >>3908611 said, but rather than a lighter color, I'd look for a really fine pen. Try to define shading through the scribbles. The tail also jumped out as not fitting in.

>>3908612
You will not advance with your attitude. You are sabotaging yourself. When's the last time you did something just to unwind?
Consider taking a walk.

>>3908613
>>3908611
???? pink pen ??

>>3908609
Good bird. Post ref?

Halfway through the robertson book rn.
Is there a medium between drawing a grid, plotting points, etc. and "feeling the forms"?

It seems like my drawings are going well, but IDK if it's practical to to like 10 ortho views draw a grid, and plot points everytime I want to make a doodle.
I just don't feel like I really am getting 'feel' for perspective, like rn I could probably do a really accurate drawing of a plane given the blueprints, but be fucked if I had to do a sketch of one while sitting at the airport for a bit.

>>3908621
Unwinding won't get me somewhere. I must become good, but the odds are small, I can't even lesrn to use my shoulderI must eat you all.

>>3908631
If you're this pissed over this failure, then then what are the odds of you not burning out and quitting during the next 100? You need to stop thinking of them as failures and instead as steps being taken. Individually not impressive, but they'll take you most places eventually.

>>3908631
If lines are the one thing that (in your mind) is holding you back do what I do. I have problems with doing propper round circles, so I fill out a page with whatever exercise or study I do but before I move on to my next page I fill out every empty space with circles or in your case lines. Makes it feel less tedious and you can progress with your drawings while also working on your biggest flaws.
Lighten up skipper

>>3908635
Point taken.
Ty.
>>3908637
Lines are one of many things, I'm not deluded, I have no idea what the fuck am I doing, I'm a proper shitter, i say it like it is. I've done the exercises, lines and more lines, I don't think I'm doing it correctly.

>>3908624
Ugh, no. Good work with it though.
I was the guy who said a finer lune, and I think that pink eyekiller shows why.

>>3908598
AwesomeGuy42? You go to /ic/?

how am I doing? been studing loomis for like a month now

>>3908673
He needs a BBC

>>3908673
NO needs more circles for the head

>>3908675
british broadcasting corporation?

>>3908682
Of course! What else would I be talking about?

>>3908596
that skull is wonky, check the symmetry and add more to the back of the skull.also the area between teeth and nose is too small. and the cheekbones are not correct.

you dont need such strong outline on nose, makes it look flat. upper lip should be in shade. the eyebrows come forward a bit from the skull, check that area with a real skull and shade accordingly. eyes look really big. ear is alright but keep refining it. the neck doesnt look correct, too short.

I've been playing around with my set of 100 Ohuhu markers I got last Thursday. Just finished drawing this, took about 30 minutes. Any tips on how to make my drawings more dynamic? Other tips would be good too but right now I'm mostly interested in how to properly capture movement

Alright so I'm starting on learning observational drawing ala the sticky but I gotta ask; How exactly do you improve on it? How do you set concrete goals in this fundamental skill and how long do I practice till I can move on to the next skill?

>>3908692
Try sketching out a slight exaggeration of the pose. Bring the highest knee a little higher, drop the lower one a tiny bit to contrast more, and have his arms angled slightly further back.

>>3908702
You don't stop practicing drawing from observation until the last drawing you ever do is done. Its not something you're done with and move on. Even if you're drawing from imagination you still will probably need to use references which again is based on your ability to draw from observation.

You improve on it just by doing it repetitively over and over and trying to recall what you've learned through drawing from memory. With practice your eye will get better at judging the angles of lines, shapes, proportions, differences in values and little by little you get better at interpreting them on the paper.

In terms of goals they'll be things like "in order to get better at drawing hands I will draw them from observation and memory every day for 2 weeks", then you move on to another subject when you reach a plateau.

Be aware that it takes a long time and thousands of hours of practice to get good at doing anything, and drawing is no exception.

The moon is all fucked up on this lol

>>3908717
What's the figure?

>>3908717
Damn nigga, I like how detailed the stump on the mushroom is. You should go back amd work on the background.

I tried, just kill me right now

>>3908725
Terrible reference.

>>3908717
I support what >>3908724 has said make the sky darker especially at the top. Keep going Anon!

>>3908722
Little kid spirits I do. I can provide others if ya like.
>>3908724
I probably will ngl, I have to fix the moon tho so I may re-do the whole thing in pen when I go to the craft store monday.
>>3908728
Aye, I might try to add something else on the right side of the group too, looks too empty.

>>3908731
Yes, more pls.

any broken body parts/bones? i'm concerned that the side facing away from the viewer is too stretched because the pelvic tilt might be too extreme

>>3908737
>>3908737
You've stretched the torso out to accommodate for those jugs. Cover them up and look at the length of the torso and waist.

>>3908743
instantly better, thank you

I'm having a hard time trying to make it right. Can someone point me what needs to be fixed to make it more proportional and natural? Thanks

>>3908752
No problem. Her right eye ( our left) looks slightly low and large. If the rest of your steps toward finishing are as good as what you've done so far, I think you're about out of /beg/.

Tried to draw this with a ballpoint pen at the park earlier. Any thoughts /beg/?

>>3908716
Well okay then. Was thinking of going through Keys to Drawing using a ballpoint pen, while also going through a pen and ink book on learning how to use the medium. Perhaps about 10k minutes worth I can jump to construction next on the sticky.

>>3908593
Why are you here then?
If you're trying to learn how to draw, why would you get discouraged when the result didn't come out the way you want?
It just means you have to improve, and you've got a lot to learn.

You're looking at drawing like some huge insurmountable mountain, where all the people who can draw are at the top having a little tea party drawing lewds of their waifus, but it's not.
Start small, make little goals, climb one section at a time. You'll find others climbing the mountain, you might stop for a while with them and have tea with them before moving on (or you might decide to stay). Eventually you reach the summit's tea party waifu circle jerk, only to find the mountain keeps going forever. It'd be up to you to keep climbing.

Make a weekly goal or something. Try drawabox or something similar.
"This week, I'm going to learn as much as I can about lines"
"This week, I'm going to learn as much as I can about squares"
"...circles"
"...boxes"
"...spheres"

Before you know it, you'll be able to draw that window.

>>3908762
I can only imagine you guessed at a lot of the shading here, rather than copying what you saw. Most of what the viewer sees is in a similar amount of shadow, with a few shiny highlights, and only a couple spots of deep shadow.

>>3908752
>>3908759
Actually, I'm second guessing myself with the eye. It may be better to adjust the other one, depending on which way you're wanting it to look. They don't seem to be quite the same size and position based on the implied angle though. Not in any position to redline or anything though. Sorry.

>>3908779
could be that the one on her right is just more open, which i wasnt intending. the one on our right is probably the one i'll fix

Does Vilppu have vids on construction of facial features like eyes and lips?

I drew this at the beginning of April without reference and it's one of the best things I've drawn so far. After looking at it again a few weeks later I'm still proud of it. I suppose that's a sign I've hit a wall. Rip me apart /ic/. Tell me everything that's wrong with this and I will humbly take my beating.

>>3908790
The arm going up is fucking weird

It's incredible how much I suck at drawing from imagination, should I just stick to studies and drawing from reference for now?

>>3908793
Give it another week ogf using refs

>>3908628
Practice freehanding simple things in perspective and using only a floor grid. It gets easier over time.

I'm about to start drawing the face, hair ears and tail, the colours are placeholder, just to help me see what's what.
Sorry for my slow progress, I'm a lazy bastard and I never draw for more than half an hour at a time, and thats while I'm drinking tea and watching videos, so it drags on.

I want to buy my first drawing tablet. Currently I'm looking at Huion Inspiroy Q11K V2 with passive pen and tilt functionality. Did anyone from this board used this particular model or can say sometning about Huions in general? TIA.

Tried to mix some things

>>3908803
I bought a cheap Huion H640p and I love that lil shit. Nothing bad to say about it, so far so good.

>>3908803
Use XP-PEN Huion has a color display issue

>>3908790
A whole bunch of decently made parts stuck together at slightly awkward angles. The neck connecting to the head of the kid on the right is the worst of them, but there's also some slight wierdness with the legs.
I'd reccommend focusing on joints and the angles of connections going forward.
>>3908793
For the most part. Sprinkle the occasional drawing from imagination in, though, to stretch the appropriate metaphorical muscles. Try keeping all of them. Look at your progression when you feel shitty.

>>3908803
My first tablet was a Huion, not a display, and it was a sack of shit.
I'd recommend a Wacom Bamboo Create, they have a lot of room, and a pen that doesnt need batteries. Theyre also cheaper than that Wacom tablet you want.
To be fair, Huion apparently have great display tablets, but get Wacom if you want a pad tablet

>>3908812
I do make a point to save my ugly ass sketches in the hope that someday I will look back at those pieces of shit and chuckle.

>>3908820
I'm pretty bad, but past me? He was a fucking idiot. At least I'm not that loser.

>>3908813
What Huion model did you buy and what was the problem with it? Model I've mentioned has passive pen so it doesn't require charging from what I've read.

>>3908811
I'm interested in screenles tablets, because I'm working on a laptop and use HDMI port for second screen.

>>3908810
Thanks for opinion :)

>>3908464
Draw bigger. It will help you keep the drawing clean. Going by the size of the pencil strokes, you should be drawing twice this size.

It's not bad, it's just small and messy, and it's smallness amplifies the messy.

Get a kneaded eraser, they're great for getting into small areas to lift mess out - or get some of those bog standard pink ones, they're cheap, and cut wedges for erasing in tight areas.

Also, pay more attention to the overall contour (ie. the outside edge). It gets confusing where the figure is, and the holes in the form.

Again, it's not bad, that's just something to pay attention to.

>>3908499
Practice. It's the only way to get confidence and clean lines. That, and start with a harder weight lead, like 4h, to block with, then go over it with the final line with a heavier weight.

>>3908762
Spend more time learning to crosshatch. It's tedious in the beginning, but what you're doing isn't effective.

Learn to measure. You're all over the place with proportions. Spend more time on the shape, the proportions, and the contour, instead of reflections.

Good attempt, but start working on measuring. You know the meme of an artist holding up a thumb, squinting at a model? That's measuring. Use your pen, instead of a finger, and compare measurements to get the overall shape correct.

I can tell from where you put the most effort, you're making a common beginner's mistake, you're focusing on the "cool" parts of the object, drawing what you think they look like, and then trying to connect them together, instead of looking at the overall shape first, and then filling in from there.

Try this: on a new page, draw just the outline of it. No internal lines, no shading, just the contour. It will teach you to see the contour, and how to construct it. Use measuring to work out proportion and placement. It'll be slow at first, but this is how you should start all drawings, considering the overall shape, not a small detail and building out from there.

And try pencil. Ball point is not the best thing in the world to draw with starting out. A couple of standard yellow pencils from school would be much better,, or even some cheap mechanical pencils.

Is there any trick to figure foreshortening? Perspective tends to be very stiff and mechanic while gesture requires the opposite, so I can't figure out a workflow that isn't draw and hope you have enough visual reference in your mind to make it work.

>>3908769
>>3908872
Damn, I really like the medium of pen and ink and wanted to learn it, but I guess its a bad idea right away. Guess I better cancel that ballpoint pen order from JetPens I just made.

That said, I do have alot of pencils laying around so i should use those up (I do quite like the 2mm lead holder). Also wanna do traditional animation in the future so it all works out anyways. I'll do some still life drawings as you described it. Maybe I can use a dark lead mechanical pencil for crosshatching like an ink pen...

First time posting :3

>>3908888
Instead of doing any construction, youre just drawing lines until it makes shapes that vaguely resemble naruto. Study how to draw the structure of the head, and do construction before going on to detail

>>3908876
Stop thinking in terms of "tricks', and think of it in terms of drawing. Foreshortening is an illusion to the eye, you work out how to create it by practicing. It's compression, and angle. Work out the block shape first, to help visualize.

>>3908888
Welcome anon, time for you to start studying head construction.

>>3908885
Ball point is fine, later on - and if you're into pen and ink, get the real stuff. Ball point wasn't invented for art, it was invented for writing, it's impossible to get any expression out of it, like you would a brush or dip pen, or a fountain pen.

For learning, pencil. Erasures help. Ball point commits you too much.

>>3908892
Right not asking for a literal trick, just trying to figure out how to balance Robertson perspective with Vilppu gesture. Like with the "block shape", don't I lose all the gesture this way? Do you mean draw a block then try to fit in the gesture in as if it was a guideline? I guess that'd work.

Can only get myself to draw funny-looking balding old men...
loomis ruined me!

>>3908444
Was anxious to post but I need the constructive criticism. First time really trying to draw and with my new drawing tablet.

>>3908765
I aready know, btw sorry for the autism meltdown, this is no place for it.
I've been practicing drawabox and sadly nothing else the past week, maybe a bit more, nothing.

>>3908792
How so? It looks pretty normal to me.

>>3908904
>Loomis

can't stop doodling at work between calls

>>3908921
>Vilppu ends up having more variation in his head shapes while Loomis sticks to drawing idealized nuclear family faces + the odd weird male

>>3908889
>>3908893
I'm trying to get the hang of construction, seems pretty nice, still can't fix my lack of symmetry tho

>>3908927
Thats not construction, thats drawing lines to make shapes, and it looks shit. You can literally search for "head construction" into google. Learn how to construct a head instead of scribbling lines into shapes, thats how children draw.

>>3908911
I realize now I will get no suggestions or whatnot and will just move on

>>3908929
Damn, that's brutal. But he needs to hear it.

Reminder that it's ok to draw stupid shit to have fun. Drawing is supposed to be fun. Having fun is ok.

>>3908943
I'm having fun so far

>>3908923
not wanting to draw anything but purebread Aryans...

>>3908911
>>3908936
Don't be a baby. Just because nobody replied to your post doesn't mean nobody critiqued it. Read all the criticism on each post. Some art is better than yours, some is worse. Either way, read it all because it's -your- criticism too.
Having said that, I will indulge you. Your art is just another lame and bad picture posted on 4chan. Study the fundamentals and then apply your fanart ideas to them. Take a week to focus on how to construct a head. Use Loomis, Proko, or just draw from references, idgaf just do something. Then recreate it and share the progress. That's when we will want to give you more detailed critique.
Tell us where you want to go, show us that's you're moving there, and we will back you up.
Don't post your fanart and expect applause just because your elementary school chums liked it. We're not gonna wipe your ass for you.

>>3908950
but dude it's his first time trying to draw with his new drawing tablet

>>3908948

>>3908955
Oh well in that case, that changes everything! Someone get this anon a critique! I'm not qualified in this jurisdiction.

Any resources on drawing mechanical things? Like engine blocks, wires, etc. All the resources I can find are for technical drawing, where accuracy is more important than aesthetic appeal

>>3908955
That doesnt change shit, he still cant draw. Using a tablet doesnt excuse not being able to draw anatomy, it could possibly excuse the shit coloring and linework at best

>>3908921
Fuck, did I make a mistake by spending the last month working with only Loomis heads? How do I get aboard the Vilppu train? Do I need to shell out the money for NMA, or are there other resources?

>>3908950
I didn't want support, I wanted assistance. Not sure why I came here for it. Seems to have been a waste of time. I am curious for your work though as you seem to want to help give me tips on improvement.

>>3908959
>>3909002
That doesnt help me figure out how to improve, not surprised coming from you 4Fags, don't even know why I bothered.

>>3908955
Also I appreciate you trying to defend me in a way, but its fine. I've dealt with more than enough people like this and its second nature.

>>3908943
>>3908946
Absolutely this

>>3909005
Fuck off then, coming to /ic/ when you cant handle artwork critique. The obvious criticism is the anatomy is bloody awful. So go and study it, you need to go and learn how to draw construction, the cartoon style doesnt excuse how anatomically incorrect it is. Read the sticky and go to the artbook thread where they have references and books which will show you how to draw construction. Dont expect us to do this all for you, or complain when nobody can even begin where to start giving you advice on the absolute mess that your drawing was.

>>3909016
I'm not going to let some nobody ruin what I enjoy doing but whatever you say. If you think you're a big fucking hotshot then show me your work, prove to me you have any traction here. Otherwise fuck off and die.

do you guys like my comic

>>3909021
>generic reply about how its all shit and here's 100 reasons why

>>3909023
Thanks bro, ill try my best to improve using your criticism

Currently doing a self imposed challenge to draw all first 151 pokemon to motivate myself to draw each day. I'm still fairly new to construction and I think doing pokemon first was a bad idea because as much as I try to get some construction down some of them are really new or exaggerated like this one where instead of a circle it was more of an oval for the head and then measuring things out from there. Digital is new to me and so is rendering.

>>3909019
Dude anyone else's work is gonna be better than yours. Don't try and change the subject of critique or put the spotlight on someone else. And if you can't take advice from people who aren't better than you, then you need to pick a new hobby or grow thicker skin.

>>3909026
I like the texture and the color/shading is similar looking to the originals. You got a blog? I'm a shill for Pokemon and I love the 151 challenge seeing the first one and how different the last one is.

>>3909027
>anyone else's work is gonna be better than yours
Absolutely and utterly disregaurded from here on out. Thanks gn.

Trying to draw hands. How are these?

>>3909004
nah join Huston sailboat head
https://mega.nz/#F!glxFwLaa!cdBL0K-MOuZbtQYoRR4cBQ

>>3909029
Yeah it's just PerfectCircle6 on Twitter. Any criticism/resources for improvement would be welcome either here or there (even if brutal.)

>>3909027
Also wait why would I take advice from people worse than me? And you just said anyone's work is better than mine. Can't say your reply makes any sense in retrospect

>>3908912
It's not gonna happen overnight. You're also not going to just wake up one day and just know how to draw.
It's like growing, you don't know you're getting taller but you are.
Doing drawabox won't make you good at drawing, nothing will do that except practice and getting experience to know what to do in a given situation. That's what it's for, it's giving you the tools to be able to look at something, or imagine something and know where to begin and how to finish. Drawing is like problem solving, and if you know how to approach the problem and how to solve them, you can draw anything.
Keep at it anon. You'll get there. It'll take time, and work, and you might not even realize it when you can draw. It's just important to keep that hunger to keep improving.
Just keep taking steps.

>>3909035
I think it looks nice, the textures great, Pokemon are really difficult to give advice on. If you want me to be specific, the head isnt symmetrical, the left eye is wider than the other and its not positioned correctly, you'll kinda see these little details when you zoom out. Honestly, if youre drawing 151, then I think this is fine, maybe touch up the face here and there and move on to Charmander

>>3909025
stfu niggy ur art is shint

>>3909036
You don't need to be a chef to know if something tastes bad.
You don't need to be a director to know if a movie is shit.
You don't need to be a writer to know when grammar is terrible.
You don't need to be a musician to know something is off beat.
You don't need to be an artist to know something looks like shit.
You don't need to be gay to know you're a faggot.

>>3909050
Well the question still stands, why would I take advice from people who are worse than me? Wouldn't that imply that they have less knowledge than me and maybe don't have good drawing habits yet?
I want advice from godly artists and people who understand what I'm trying to draw and convey, not just normies who assume everything has to be photorealistic.

>>3909027
HAHAHAHAHAHA holy shit I was following that reply chain, I knew this guy was a shitter ngmi

>>3909053
You don't know what everyone knows.
Some people might have better insight to problems you might not have noticed. Just because someone might not have the skill to reproduce your work, doesn't mean they won't have valid criticisms or suggestions. You're just one person with one world view.
Dismissing people because you have some preconceived notion that they're not as "skilled" as you makes you worse as an artist. Especially considering your fundamental lack of skills. Any normie could catch up to you in a week or two. And any normie willing to take criticism and apply it will surpass you the moment they apply it.

Would very much appreciate some feedback on this. It feels off and I don't know why.

>>3909056
Hope you enjoyed the ride

>>3909059

>>3909059
Probably the lack of image.
Too minimalism I think.

>>3909058
Thats... actually really helpful compared to what I expected. I uh, apologize for being a cunt to you.

is my still life ok

? doodle

>>3909053
Don't listen to shitter opinions dude, I've had some crab shitter tell me wild insane bullshit before asking the lines of how I wasn't gonna make it because I disliked anime

>>3909058
You dont need to worry about that anon, because nobody is worse than you, youre that fucking bad.

>>3909063
Gotcha, Might be overstressing, usually when doing studies by the time I get to lines there's at least some depth to things. Might look better once I add values. Thanks.

>>3909073
I'm new to the board, is that really what these people are?
It was enough to make me want to run back into hiding and just keeping my art and the enjoyment associated to myself. I just wanted to have fun with people I don't know.

>>3909076
Anon.
I was cracking a joke at there being no image on that post.

>>3909077
This place is a shithole, a useful one, but a shithole nonetheless, best case scenario is to come here, grab the free books, tutorials, and mega, and go find an artist's discord server, various art subreddits, and twitter and maybe throw your art on here occasionally with the expection that 70% of feedback will be negative while the rest will be shitposts and maybe on occasional piece of decent critique.

>>3909075
I wasn't the anon that was arguing with everyone because he couldn't take some criticism.
Re-read the chain anon.

>>3909082
I didn't think he actually missed that joke, kek

>>3909077
There's all kinds here, just read the sticky and practice. Some will help, some will pretend to help as an excuse to project their own failures and frustrations onto you. Can't let it get to you. The sticky is a good resource, check out that Hampton book he's sick. Don't expect anything and your soul will survive

>>3909082
Well shit.

>>3909077
Grow a pair of balls, you baby. Go and enjoy drawing bad artwork if you dont want to take our advice because "It hurts my feelings!"
Study anatomy, and come back when youre done wiping your estrogen ducts, I've given you advice >>3909016 study anatomy. Nobodies going to be able to fix the mess youve drawn, and youre going to spend hours polishing shit trying to amend it. So start yourself off by learning to actually draw a person before committing to it.

>>3909084
Wow, this reply alone really helped reinvigorate me and my motivation to try. Thanks for letting me know. I hope I see you around then c: I probably won't be back on this board after tonight.

my man really emojiing in the thread

>>3909088
Thank you too, I appreciate the treatment like I'm an actual fallible human.

>>3909090
Even though you've been really harsh, I appreciate your help in the way of ways to improve. Thank you too.

I guess when you think about it, this really was.../ic/ artwork/critique

Practicing things.. never really used bean before but its looking really nifty

>>3909032
Excellent. I feel like the middle top one's a bit off with the 3 fingers looking a little too uniform, but these are solid.

>>3909062
There are many small little problem but the most stand out is the neck head and shoulder area
the neck comes forward and not straight up like that
the head is too small and did not overlap with the neck like it should and that make neck seem long

This is /beg/, not your personal gallery. If you're going to dump a dozen fucking pictures, throw it somewhere else. Then link to it here if you think it's /beg/ and want advice.

>>3909062
bunny ayumi has a nice ass

>>3908911
there are a number of issues, but you can start by paying attention to the form of the head. the placement of the keystone, nose, mouth, and chin indicates the mid-line bisecting the skull, so make sure you use it properly instead of just pasting features on to the face.

people here are harsh and getting too defensive only makes it worse

>>3909124
Thanks for the input. There a theme to the many small problems that I could work on along side the shoulders?

>>3909133
a little yeah

>>3909144
I'm fucking dead from the filename.

>>3909071
I like the form.
Value is all over the place though.

Trace over the linework and try to add some real lighting.

>>3909144
Unfortunately, they may have already pissed off from the banter, but you're extremely helpful, and appreciated even if that particular post never reaches its target.

>>3909146
the breast
her right breast is too big
the breasts line and the shoulders line are not parallel
the legs are not following the ref

Finally sat down and grinded faces until I could come up with something that isnt outright disgusting. I dont *dislike* this, but it also feels off. Any critiques wouod be great

>>3909164
gotcha, thanks for the info.

>>3909171
mouth looks too small

>>3909171
nail the structure of the entire HEAD before going into hatching

>>3909171
Depends. Is the full shape there supposed to be the head shape, or is this more of a "mask"?
Your hatching is arbitrary as hell. Look at the pic's thumbnail there and tell me what the hatching conveys. Unless you were going for "acne-ridden burn victim", then it's wrong. Use the density to define shadows, and the direction to trace out depth; don't just throw them around wherever.

>>3909181
What structure is off? Somebody mentioned the lips, but what else?

Or do you mean that I should've finished up the forehead and hair?

>>3909184
You're absolutely right about my hatching being random, I make that mistake with a lot of my drawings, I get uncomfortable with leaving sharp boundaries between highlights and shadows that I end up going too far. I'll study more plane changes in the face to try to fix that

It's supposed to be a head shape (obviously without the forehead). Did I get any parts of the face/jaw structure wrong?

Is it considered a bad habit to let your drawings 'evolve' as you draw them? Like, if you sketch out a face incorrectly for the angle you were going for, but it still looks fine at the 'mistaken' angle, is that being complacent with your mistakes or simply being creative?

I get that this sounds like a 'no fun allowed' question, but I just want to make sure I'm not developing bad habits that I'll have to unlearn later

>>3909193
If you're drawing for fun it's good. If you're going for accuracy it's bad

>>3909115
Thank you! I was worried I wasnt gonna get critique. I'll try to keep posting and practicing.

>>3909193
Same. I end up changing the angle and pose of a lot of things I draw because I screw up something.

>>3909193
Nothing but happy accidents, anon

>>3909207
Comfy reply, thank you anon

>>3909034
Holy shit, I've been looking for this mega FOREVER and I found it here as a reply to a meme. /ic/ is incredible

First time posting a drawing for critique. I really struggle with symmetry and proportions in my freehand drawings because I tend to be so detail oriented it’s hard for me to see the harmony of the big picture. Flipping the image in a mirror helps a little but not enough. Can someone give me feedback on this?

>>3909219
Pretty good anon, I'm not seeing any major symmetry issues. My biggest gripe is that there isn't much contrast in this drawing. I'd recommend using darker pencils for shadows

>>3909219
>>3909224
adding onto other anon, the lack of shoulders and the neck being covered by hair makes her seem like she's just a floating head and therefore unfinished.

>>3909047
Fucking 4fags. i swear the toxicity on this website is fucking terrible. You guys are so fucking salty ehmigosh. Im gonna go suck of my discord tranny boyfriends ironic 8inch cock because this website is so toxic. fourchan fucking moot Waste of my time. I see you arent going to give me any real criticism. Fcking plebians im going back to tumblr

How can I help the lower half of her look less 2 dimensional?

>>3909235
Shade it like you did with other parts of the picture...?

>>3909235
Stop using the airbrush and start using hard brushes

I don't know why the upload keeps turning it but here's what I got, I'm trying to get the proportions right and all

>>3909103
>>3909104
>>3909105
>>3909106
These are quite hard to crit anon but I think they are pretty cool!
>>3909110
this one I don't like because of the goriness but that is just me

Every day until I like it.
I know the hair's random bullshit, but it was near the end, and I was running short on time. Her left hand... I have no excuse. I should study hands.
I did A LOT of measuring as I was doing it, but it was the sort of measuring where I close one eye and hold my pencil out. Artists do it in movies, so it's not cheating, right?
I feel like I've gotten a lot better over the last couple of months. I still chickenscratch, dammit, and I know I'm lightyears away from being actually good, but I'm extremely happy that I seem well on my way toward my primary goal, and a good distance from my starting point.
>>3909248
Open in paint, save. Solves it.

>>3909251
Ah, fuck. I ruined the ass shape on the left even though I made the guide that clearly shows where it should've been. Ah well.

Sup beg degenerates tell me how I’m doing this is my first digital art piece that is not reliant on hard outlines. I know the mouth is too small but I’ll fix it later. Luv y’all and rip me to shred please! I want to learn!

>>3909258
draw some cubes then comeback

where can i get some better screentones for free? i only have 3 plus the sky one

>>3909258
This is extreme symbol drawing. Were you actually making it while looking at the reference? Did you draw anything preliminary before you started painting? I'd like to help, but honestly, I think you need to learn how to do things like block in an outline or construct a head first. I'd recommend reading the sticky doc in the OP.

>>3909268
Really it’s that shitty I have already done blocks etc and I thought I was getting somewhere.

>>3909268
I did do an outline I’m so sorry I thought it was actually something worth posting here I’ll just start a new piece if this is that shit.

>>3909258
Gonna bang this one out and gonna go to bed, so I can respond to any follow up questions tomorrow

Criticisms:
1: The face looks too skinny or too fat in some areas. Do skull studies. If you ignore everything else I say here, that's fine, but at least do skull studies. It will help immensely in improving your ability to model the face. Remember, humans are tuned to recognize even the slightest discrepancy in how faces look, so the subtlest bumps and curves can make or break a drawing.

2. Eyes are too big. Be careful with the color, you've made the eye much fleshier than it should be.

3. The hair doesn't look 'fluffy', it looks like a piece of nylon placed over the head. No clue how to fix this with digital art though

4. Pay more attention to shadows, you correctly place them in some areas, but in others it seems to be random/ignored.

5. Neck may be too skinny, not completely sure though.

6. Eyelashes are unusually important in making eyes look 'normal', and you've not placed them at all

7. The sclera of an eye (the white part) is almost NEVER pure white. It can have shadows, just like the skin. Add some subtle ones.

8. Your nose-to-lip-to-jaw ratio looks unattractive. Not unrealistic, but simply unattractive. Steve Huston has a fantastic explanation of 'preferable' mistakes when it comes to this ratio. No clue when it in in the video, but, honestly, you should watch the entire thing anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=2T7cDY7YDsg&t=18s

Overall, not bad, but I also feel like you're being much more ambitious than you should be by removing outlines. Go back to 'easier' modes of drawing to perfect the fundamentals for a bit.

>>3909271
Ariagto! I agree I just kinda pushed myself for fun I’m still working on fundamentals. Totally agree with the eye and the shadow I’ll do more skull studies tomorrow thank you a lot.

>>3909269
In case this helps.

>>3909279
Thanks! You’re right I think I’m not too far off I just made some very bad mistakes along the way. Do you think I should try to fix or would it be diminishing returns at my level?

>>3909284
GO DRAW A MILLION FACES AND THEN COME BACK
Learn skulls, learn form, learn lineart, learn facial planes, learn simpler shit if you have to

>>3909284
It could be useful trying to fix it, since it seems you had issues seeing some of the errors before, and addressing them might clarify them a bit to you. After that, I don't think your issue will be resolved by grinding out boxes like the other anon said; I think the issue lies in observation of angles and such. Doing the "upside-down Igor" exercise a few times might prove much more fruitful.

>>3909271
>you should watch the entire thing anyway
>(3 HOURS!)
K. Gonna make some popcorn though.

>>3909287
I agree and yeah I’ll see what I can do I think I just got stuck on this one.

>>3909032
theyre pretty good simply put. just keep practicing!

>>3909068
it looks pretty good, the only things id suggest are that you try constructing the items from simpler shapes first (if you did then ignore this. it just seems like you didnt, you just gotta keep practicing) and also to you a more varied grayscale. as in it looks a little light when there could be darker shades present. do keep practicing fren!

>>3909185
not that anon, but i would think thats what he meant if feels incomplete. try making the entire thing then anding your very nice hatches.

>>3909235
Make obvious plane changes.

Calling this done for now. I might come back to it and work on it some more later though.
Looking at it now I think the skin might be a bit too desaturated, so I'll boost it up later.

>>3909322
Deep in uncanny valley. Plenty that looks nice, but the pose is inhumanly stiff and awkward. Other than that, the eyes and hair look creepy. You should look into learning how to draw hair with more volume.

>>3909326
That's not the uncanny valley you idiot it's just a /beg/ drawing, uncanny valley involves too much realism without soul

>>3909326
Yeah the pose is something that I've kind of quarreled with. I'm probably going to let the arm on the left hang down. I think that and the lack of tone in the skin is hitting that uncanny mark.
As for the hair, it's supposed to be something like a combover, but I couldn't find a proper reference on how to draw it for shit. I've tried asking around on other threads but it's been largely ignored. It's on my to do list when I come back to it.
As for the eyes, I'm not really sure what I can do to fix it. If you have any specific tips (other than just "draw eyes") or anything it would be appreciated.

>>3909235

I agree with what
>>3909240
said

>>3909322
ayy lmao

>>3909322
Are you going for the Thin man from XCOM? Because if yes you are not doing bad.

Lines are hard
Just 10000 more pages like this and maybe I'll be able to draw something that looks less like a sine wave and more like a straight line

>>3909116
>>3909120
not /beg/

>>3909346
More shoulder less hand

>>3909356
All of that was done with the shoulder except the diagional lines

I just started doing gesture drawings and now im lost idk what's next

>>3909363
Post gestures.

>>3908725
NO! You will be cursed to live and endure the suffering! HAHAHAHAHA!

Anyways you do not necessarily have to copy it, you are still a beginner, try to use simple lines to find the body's shape. If it doesn't work try again the point is that you do more to try and find the balance while keeping the basics of the pose in your head. Look a the "contraposto" stance, shoulders and hips going the opposite angle how the head is also tilted. You can describe even the hand behind with curved lines.

Once you have the basic in simple lines you can go and add details.

>>3909356
In order to ascertain what it means, the faces need to be studied in more detail. The refraction of the light within the glasses allocates more of a particular realm and has more with time dilation that compared to the other. As to answer why, the reason remains unknown.

The corner describes another instance in which the shadow of the temple regarding the facial structure eats away at them simply. Therefore, it should be noted that despite all this, the realm of reality and fiction in which they exist cannot simply be explained with simple precautions but must be known.

Behind that, behind your vat of blood, there lies it. The God of it all demands the dragon of the golden crown to eat away at the vat of blood and feces. The God of the machinations dislikes the scripts and upon the screen of death, hates that with the passion of death. The abyss and the void of death clings onto the void of the screen. The abyss and files within the abyss cling to the vat and the refraction of the light continues to press forward onto the screen and mirror of disrepair. In order to properly contain it, the addendum of time must be added onto the dilation of the screen and exit out onto the God of machinations and the fiction must be coincided with them. The screaming and the void.
>Regarding the void

The simple equation is resulting of about a life to another. A mammal in which is equal to that of a fox equals about a human life. So, a cow with a head of a pig can thus equate to about two human lives. Therefore, you can say that the lives in the escape of the exit can see forward through the abyss and into the vat of blood and feces of about two human lives. Therefore, it should be stated that the life of a pig with the body of a cow can be seen with the lens of a pig with the body of a fox. With the abyss, it cannot be understated. Therefore, it should be with Lain instead. Inside the machinations of it, lies the fiction of the refraction of the light.

>>3909370
Thanks anon!

>>3909361
then draw with a pen and paper and post results, stay away from digital until you at least got the fundies down

>>3909407
I'm on holiday so I don't have a pen and paper with me right now. I'll try to draw on paper more often but I have a laptop with a touch screen so it's often more convenient.

>>3909021
it's cute as fuck. I'm as bad at drawing as you buty my stuff never looks cute like that

I've had a drawing tablet for almost 3 months now and I've goten nowhere. I hate everything I maked, so all I've actually saved it a couple of funny looking doodles.

I read about the fundamentals, watch tutorials, practice and practice. And every single time I practice my forehead is wrinkled in frustration and my brain is screaming at me to give up. Everything I make looks like shit. Every tutorial I follow, no matter how basic, has me making absolute trash and having learned nothing that I can actually use because I can't make it with my hand. I know all of the rules and basics but I can't execute them because I have such shitty motor control

faggot blog post over, how can I overcome the shitty feeling of seeing no progress in my study and seeing every line I make as inferior to everyone else's?

>>3909462
I don't know why my grammar was so fucking terrible. I've never written the word "maked" in my life lol

>>3909462
just keep going, 3 months is nothing. i'm 18 months in and i'm still not completely used to mine. it won't ever beat the feel of traditional. i'm a hell of a lot better than when i started though.

>every single time I practice my forehead is wrinkled in frustration and my brain is screaming at me to give up.
you suck and you need practice to improve. your practice is going to look like shit because you suck. if you train yourself to feel shitty every time you practice, then you wont ever put in the practice necessary to not suck. your brain is too overcome with emotion to properly absorb and learn anything from that practice, if you even do it at all. then you'll feel shitty about how little progress you made and it starts all over again.

cut off the source and stop being frustrated. obviously it's easier said than done, but you need to recognize that it's the cause your problems

All this fucking work just so I can augment the masturbation experience

>>3909331
Nice Woomy

>>3909331
cute
>>3909240
honestly not sure why I didn't do that to begin with

no bully

I don't know how to adapt and change my way of thinking when I start drawing because it's very weebshit alike but I can't draw western cartoon either. How do I change my mindset? Is it just unconsciously that I draw more like weebshit than westernshit?

How do I draw for fun when I'm trying to study so I can have fun drawing in the first place.

>>3909331
I tried to replicate what you did and increased the shadow/light contrast as well.
kinda monkey see/monkey do, though

is one of those little pose mannequins a good investment or should I just learn to visualize it looking at 2d reference pics?

>>3909644
Glad I could help Anon

>>3909345
Asian't Smith?

Thoughts

>>3909162
I came back to check for any helpful tips, figured others would keep seeing it until the thread died or was at cap. I just know now to mostly avoid uploading my own work.

>>3909144
I saved the image, I will make remodifications later today. Thank you.

>>3909675
I like posting my work here. It's just about the only place I know I won't get sycophantic praise that might fool me into thinking that I'm good at parts I'm not. Just gotta ignore shitters.

>>3909688
Thats a fair way to look at it, I just like to have fun with art and improve along the way but the crabs are a real bummer.

>>3909672
Seems pretty solid, for what I believe you were going for. Linework's a little rough; I assume you're more practiced outside of digital art? A few places could use some better/more shading, like defining more tufts of hair.
I very much dislike the crown. It's just a shape, and I have a hard time conceiving of how it would possibly look like a crown from other angles.
I assume the pink is the canvas color? If so, practice getting it fully covered.

>>3909271
Hi I just wanted to say I’m starting skull studies already realizing my weakness means a lot man.

>>3909714
Yeah, I dont draw that much digitally. Im drawing with a mouse since I dont have a tablet yet

>>3909629
pls replyu

>>3909745
Work on eyes!

>>3909629
>>3909745
jaw and mouth are too far below the nose
more minor differences from the ref
proportion problem

>>3909745
A few small proportion issues. Mouth's too low, for example. There's really not too much wrong here that you shouldn't be able to tell just by comparing it to the reference, so I doubt anyone will say much you couldn't figure out yourself. Good job.

Got some great help with this last thread and while I think I was able to take some of the advice on there's still a lot I'm unhappy with.

I know that the arms are pretty noodle-ish and I've got no idea what I'm doing with the thighs, crotch or legs. I also think the face is creepy even if the big, almost bulding eyes were intentional.

Speaking of the eyes I know that the left one looks wrong but I'm not sure why. Like it's slanting on a different plane or something.

Rip me apart guys. Tackle my slowpoke brain into submission and cram it full of your wisdom.

>>3909762
I understand you are not drawing a human but some fantasy creature, how "human like" did you intend that face?

>>3909774
^This I’m not really sure how chain mail looks but the torso seems a little off. And yeah the head shape kinda throws off the rest

>>3909762
His arms and torso are too long. The head looks tacked on, pay attention to how it is connected to the neck. I would make the lower eye lids a bit more subtle unless you're going for an unhinged look in which case you got it.

Y’all are right I need work on my head forms. Should I focus entirely on head shape for a couple of days than move on to something else and revisit head shape later or just try to really get it down than move to other features.

>>3909800
Focus on it for a while, but "focus" doesn't mean just grind exclusively. You should always sprinkle some other shit in for variety, lest you go insane.

>>3909800
Compare these heads to reference and see whats wrong before you continue. For one the cranium is larger in the back than youve drawn. At this level you'll benefit more from drawing spheres and cubes though.

>>3909813
How long should I draw forms cube anon

>>3909762
Nigga looks coked out lmao

>>3909817
Until you can do it well lol idk. Practicing simple forms will help in every drawing you do. You dont have to drop the heads entirely but getting cubes, spheres, cylinders, etc. is going to make them a lot easier. Keep practicing heads but next time do a page of spheres, cubes, and cylinders as a warmup.

>>3909829
Thanks your right I think I’ll do every head do 5 forms and yeah I’m just so bad at human construction rn back to the basics. Thank you so much I’ll be back here in a couple of days!

>>3909726
I'd safely classify this as non /beg/ tier stuff if you were using a mouse. I tried doing digital art like that when I was younger and I couldnt imagine making something as neat-ish as that

>>3909762
Here is what I could do. I rearranged the face to be more human looking as I would think she is supposed to be cute. I made the back part of the skull more round I made her body bend forward a bit and tried to rearrange the lower part with some transformation tools to accommodate for the changed posture.

Overall I think you got the individual parts down pretty well anon just need to work more on the overall picture.

Keep working at it you got this!

>>3909845
>I'd safely classify this as non /beg/ tier stuff if you were using a mouse.
I have been drawing since 14 with a mouse (fucking on MSPaint mostly, but still). I can say with no doubt that my mouse drawing skills are just a bit below hand drawing. The only reason I would want a tablet is the neat preassure lines you dont get from mouse

>>3909851
I absolutely adore this guy's work, and I think I remember seeing someone say he uses a mouse.

>>3909857
It is perfectly possible to create stuff like that with a mouse but your wrist will be wrecked. So it is not like it is not possible just not most feasible option.

>>3909857
Yeah he does, because this kind of aesthetics requires lines to have the same width

>>3909864
yes that is the way inking is done via crosshatching. It is a classical and very effective method since the Renaissance.
Pic is hand study by Albrecht Durer

>>3909225
Haha yes this was kind of a doodle that I ended up liking so it is unfinished but maybe I will add an upper body :)
>>3909224
Thanks appreciate the feedback!
>>3909219
Upon looking at this again I’m noticing the right eyebrow is lower tha the left, it’s driving me crazy

>>3909876
>Drawing a Flip off
Lmao, this must be the first imagery of one

>>3909876

>>3909726
Do you go with mouse from the start or make a sketch with pencil before?

>>3909906
From the start. Im used to it

Pic rel is the sketch layer of >>3909672

>>3909910
Nice line work with just a mouse! I would suggest getting a tablet tho because it seems like you would benefit from longer smoother lines which are way easier to pull with a tablet.

>>3908444
Pointers for my "kimonomimi"

>>3909952
start by drawing a kemonomimi instead of a furry ya faggot

>>3909952
That's furry. This is kemonomimi.
Also, whichever you draw, please, for the love of god learn to copy the actual proportions of both people and animals, then mix them and cartoonize as you see fit. Copying from shitty furry artists will just ingrain common mistakes into your brain as being correct.

>>3909952
>Filename
Fuck, I bit the bait.

>lol dude just draw something that is admittedly beyond your skill level by a long shot
>draw something just as difficult next homework lesson too, and THEN I'll teach you how to actually draw boxes

am I being trolled? I'm not learning anything practical from this exercise at all, all it's teaching me is humility

post the pages you've done so far, I feel like lesson 0 is so incremental that anyone should be able to work through it

Can some Anon assist me here?
I'm trying to figure out how human-like spider legs would attach to a single pelvis.
I don't even know if an ass would look the same if that were the case.

>>3909988
so you mean to keep her pelvis and legs human instead of insectoid?

>>3909988
Something like this maybe?

>>3909988

>>3909993
Yes. I got the idea from an Oddworld Scrab, but instead of there being just PELVIS or whatever the Scrab has, I'm trying to make it more human like with an ass and feminine form.

>>3909995
That might work, I was trying to get as close to human as possible to make it creepier.

Making a new thread. Just a minute.

>>3910014
New thread
>>3910014
>>3910014
>>3910014

>>3908691
not worried about the skull that was just a little shit doodle. working on the face.

>>3909774
>>3909782
More or less human but different enough not to be assumed

>>3909850
Thanks for this my man. It's done a good job of highlighting several issues I didn't realise I had. I'll definitely examine this, look at what changed and then apply the edits myself when I understand what you did and why. Good stuff!

>>3909790
Yeah it's definitely a case of building on shaky foundations. I also at several points lost focus of the figure when paying too much attention to individual aspects while neglecting the whole

Is Pinterest really a good site to try and get reference images from? I've been using https://www.artmodeltips.com/poses/ for a while but itd be nice to have more sites for them.

>>3909370
This using Vilppu's gesture techniques?

>>3909653
DesignDoll or Magic Poser are great programs for putting together poses for reference.

>>3909876
this level of cross-hatching just trial and error or is there a method to it beyond "follow the form"?

>>3910456
Face doesn't match the perspective of the head and makes it feel off.

>>3910654
I used a mirror and my own face as a reference so I definitely believe that I was looking at an inconsistent angle. Thanks.