/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Everything is free in this day and age, because Piratechads exist.

Therefore I have the excuse of being overwhelmed with ressources and not knowing where to start

>>3905373
>not knowing where to start
start with your heart

>>3905373
no no no there is a book for that.
Really helped me get my shit together.

>>3905371
Yes i have an excuse, they're literally useless shit.

>>3905378
Is this really helpful?

>>3905371
yeah I looked at it

>>3905383
you sound like an expert on being a useless shit I'll give you that much

>>3905412
yes. a few years back i quit my job out of frustration. i felt stupid but at the same time i hated that job and i had saved up a lot of money by living with my parents and i felt like i had every opportunity in the world, but that was paralyzing.

>should i get another job like that one? >should i go back to my previous career?
>should i go back to school?
>should i go teach english abroad?
and the more i researched the more confused i got.

i dont even really remember the thesis of the book but it did put things into perspective for me. its kind of like the marie kondo book which tells you your house is a fucking mess because you keep a lot of garbage so you should throw away a ton of shit. it helped me eliminate a lot of things that seemed like options, until i only had very few left. and then i didnt feel bad about not pursuing some more ambitious ones or some more idealistic ones or even some more safe/boring ones. definitely was a good read, why dont you just pirate it? or even better i think the guy has a video version on youtube.

Or even better than that, why are we acting like you have infinite options? I posted a link to the pdf of a specific loomis book right there. i didnt tell you to go read some art books lol. wtf?

>>3905383
Instead of just complaining, can you provide an alternative method or better resource? If you can’t, I’m inclined to believe that its your unwillingness to learn that’s the problem, not Loomis - but you’re free to prove me wrong and share what you’ve learned from!

I’ve found his structure really helpful, personally, but it’s okay if it’s not for everyone.

>>3905433
my house isn't a mess because i hoard shit, my house is a mess because i use the floor as a trash can

>>3905433
>i dont even really remember the thesis of the book but it did put things into perspective for me.
I haven't read the book but I am familiar with the theory. Here's my take for anyone who doesn't want to read the book. The paradox of choice is the phenomenon where one becomes paralyzed by choice as the the matrix of meaningful choices increases and the points of comparison grow exponentially. Any choice leads to doubt because the array of other possibilities is massive. It's why most people selling shit offer the illusion of choice that breaks down into worthless shit that makes the other stuff look good, what you're going to buy, and expensive shit you don't need that makes what you're going to buy look like a good deal.

The counter to this is eliminating choices and maximizing cognitive biases. Take constructive anatomy books. Instead of flitting between them endlessly, you reduce your choices. Say you have every anatomy book to choose from. Not in English, remove it. Doesn't cover use of value, remove it. Have to buy it, decide if buyfagging increases your investment in it (studies say yes with caveats). Don't like the art, into the trash it goes. Now you're down to Loomis, Bridgman and Vilppu. Time to up the cognitive biases, you've already decided long before this anyway. Fancy yourself a Renaissance painter and want to supplement with an anatomy reference? Vilppu, feel those forms. Want to be part of the same lineage as Frazetta and interpret drunken scribbles and chiseled planes? Bridgman. Sucks a lot of cocks and like manly women, Loomis will have you doing the classic illustrative style of Leyendecker in no time.

It's all about creating as few choices as possible using the most arbitrary metrics you can conjure and reinforcing them with the fact that you already unconsciously made the decision hours ago based on banal bullshit. Most options aren't options and should be treated as such.

>>3905772
Once it's free though I don't think it's a choice anyone even has to make. Because that's not a decision where to put your money the way it is to choose a major and choose a school. That's money you could have spent elsewhere so you have to make a good decision. If I fucking hand you the link to a pdf of an art book to you for free and there it is in the first comment on the thread, it's not costing you anything. While you're waiting for some other book to come in the mail, go through this one. Beginners sometimes act like studying the wrong type of art will hurt them. You should study as many artists and methods as you can. Why would you copy your style from one source?no one artist or book can explain everything to you. But Loomis and proko and others like that are amazingly good resources to get started. It's exactly like women who say they don't go to the gym because they don't want to get too big. They don't know shit about the gym. No one gets big by accident. Most people can't even do it trying their hardest. It's an excuse.

Loomis wasn't a mangaka so that's why noone here wants to read his books.

>>3905790
We've moved on to it being a matter of time and attention. Everything is free and available, the problem is infinite choice being paralyzing and how to combat it. Having a single link doesn't make the options disappear. Being free also decouples it from sunk cost biases, not that I advocate buyfagging.

>>3905497
Not him but I prefer Vilppu and Hampton.

>>3905813
But it's right here. You don't have to contemplate anything. Just do it. If you don't like it look for something else tomorrow. Get overwhelmed after you've already exhausted what's already right in front of your face. But to be like... Hmm should I or shouldn't I even bother trying is retarded.

>>3905842
Then you already have a preference so this doesn't apply to you. This is for people who are lost and swamped with options.

>>3905433
Yeah that kinda fucked me up. That was super helpful might actually read that book too.