/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3902815

Now do it without reference

Okay, I'll bite. What's the Russian drawing course? Pint of vodka and a #2 pencil? Fight a bear and draw in the snow?

>>3902937
It's from the new masters Academy. Here's a Mega to the full course, or at least what was uploaded.
https://mega.nz/#F!OBQlVQoC!UrAcgUuh5I9M20T2f65pLw!LNxxAAIA

>>3902941
Oh, I'm only just over half way in the course. I haven't even finished it yet.

Downloaded, lets see if your bullshitting, see you two weeks

>>3902937
Kek

>>3902936
No point in trying to draw something without reference if you can barely draw it WITH reference, idiot.

>>3902960
not even a little bit. I did about 1 lesson every two days.

>>3902937
The instructor of the course, Iliya Mirochnik, studied at the Ilya Repin Institute in Russia and looks like he's presenting a condensed version of everything about drawing he learned there. That's a huge deal because the methods they teach are the closest to the old masters you'll find anywhere and ordinarily you'd have to travel to Russia to learn them, and the artists trained there haven't really made comprehensive videos/books detailing everything they learned.
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>>3902815
>>3902816
Ok so this is where you started, post the progress npw

>>3902999
Thanks, I just started and I'm really liking what I'm seeing so far - with the exception of the needle-measuring method for angles and lengths.

also trips nice

>>3903005
The needle stuff is useful, though I do think he over emphasizes it.

>>3903004
At least make an attempt when you bait people. this is some low tier shit.

>>3903016
Hey, you replied, didn't you? ;)

>>3903018
Only because I really like that picture. I always wanted to use it. "he just threw it right into the water". makes me laugh.

>>3903005
Measuring is a huge part of academic drawing because its all about accuracy. At the Academy they are strictly judged in part with how accurate the drawings are so that's why its so important. Your training your eye to be accurate so the needles are really good to use to double check yourself.

>>3903005
measuring angle is pretty vital for beginner
it will certainly help your eyeballing
>>3902815
> two weeks
you get to portrait in 2 weeks?

>>3903019
Yeah cool pic, anyway gotta go back drawing. thanks for the replies bro

>>3903027
I probably didn't spend enough time on shapes. That was just 1 week. I did about 2-2.5 hours a night. After you finish basic shapes you do a "Planes of the head" exercise, and then you do skulls. I just finished skulls and facial anatomy yesterday, and I made the portrait in 2.5 hours today.

To be clear, I am a bit of a fag. You're supposed to do the neck and shoulder anatomy before the portrait, but I was impatient.

>>3903035
post your plane of the head and skull
also which size you are working on

>>3903041
Planes of the head. I'll get the skull ones up in a couple minutes. The paper I drew it on is huge, but the head itself would fit on 9 by 12 inch paper.

>>3903041

>>3903041
You have to draw twelve skulls in total, six using reference, and six using construction you learn in the anatomy phase. These were both using reference.

My favourite part so far though has been drawing and rendering the deep facial muscles off of a cast of a cadaver. those things are fucking creepy.

>>3903051
here my plane of the head

>>3903732
and the first skull

>>3903732
G A M I N G.

I would probly get some better paper for those longer studies. but I mean whatevs, as long as you're learning.

>>3903745
I still have some to use for these exercise
but I know jerkshit about paper but seem like my paper is indeed low quality
is Strathmore sketching ok?

I'm not spending another dime on your site, Steve Jerome Huston. Take your shill thread off my board and stop reposting some poor kids studies you found on off a subreddit.

>>3903763
I would at least use something in the Strathmore 400 Drawing series. Sketching paper is like one step up from copy paper. The higher quality of paper really does matter partly because of the feel and the permanence of the paper itself - lower quality stuff that's not acid-free/archival will yellow over the years. Also for graphite I would avoid paper that has a surface that's too smooth.

>>3903768
Not steve, and I uploaded the entire course. Just read the thread faggot.
>>3903732
Fuck you for being that much better then me.

>>3902815
Thank you OP! Will check this out.

>>3903840
Watts is better though.

>>3902941
What should I do to download this with no interruptions?

>>3903899
make an account
download their desktop app

>>3903854

>>3903899
You might be able to download it without interruptions but when you start watching it you will get interrupted every sentence. The sssssizeeee of head.....mmmmmmmeeeasure with the needles.

>>3906622
Sssstreetch the paper
>>3903735
newer skull

>>3902981
NGMI

>>3906831
References are everything. If you never learn this then you're the definition of NGMI.

>>3903776
Even the cheap blue pacon sketchbooks are decent. More important than the paper, as long as it's better than newsprint, is the size. Most of these portraits are supposed to be done near life size on something like an 18x24 or larger. 11x16 is more manageable and okay for heads, but you need huge paper for the best results with figures and larger paper makes detail easier without becoming consumed by it.

>>3906947
Very true. There's nothing more frustrating than trying to get small details right like eyes and hands (if you're figure drawing) when your paper isn't big enough.

>>3902815
Keep posting your progress please, I'm curious and thinking about taking the same course but I'm busy enough with Vilppu and Huston.

>>3902941
Been interested in this for a while, thank for sharing!

>>3907056
Working on very large paper also cures trying to pack too much detail in. You start to understand the importance of taking a step back and looking at it from a distance as well as the whole shoulder drawing meme in its natural environment.

>>3903735
I take it you are not drawing from life?

Also for anyone here, I've studied with russian teachers for two years. ask me if you want information. Pic related is made from life plaster cast

>>3908686
Where are you from? What are you doing now?

>>3908686
yes it was from a very blurry photo
but not like I will be doing any much better if the picture was better
>ask me if you want information
how big is that and what kind of material you use

>>3908686
Where were you taught?

What were your materials for that drawing? (Paper size + brand, pencils, etc)

I'm really fascinated with the Russian style. They seem to be on another level.

>>3908688
finland, i have steady income job (even if the pay is not too high mind you) and do art during the evenings. i have bfa and occasionally get commissions

>>3908696
>how big is that and what kind of material you use

50x70 centimeters, its on paper, a bit thicker than your normal stuff(cant remember the brand). first the paper is made wet, then stretch it a little over a wooden drawing board and glue the sides, then when it dries it stays there firm.

I used H2 pencil for the whole thing. the paper is white but the photo is on the warmer side, i think it looks better that way

>>3908699
i have bfa but in the art school i went the teaching was not that good. it was more focused on expression and full of hippies. they didnt do the fundamentals and it was quite frustrating. then i had the opportunity to get receive teaching under the russian teachers. nice people and absolute magicians with pencils.

>>3908686
What is the best learning resource for learning to draw like that aside from the actual course on the Mega?

How is this shit different from Proko ?

>>3908822
far more in depth than proko
a more classic academic approach
more demos
teach shading better
no Proko """"Humor""""
more stuttering

>>3908822
Proko doesnt have a bunch of russians behind his thing shilling his stuff.

>>3908822
Proko's stuff is over-simplified for kids, and he's not the best artist despite training at an atelier for 7 years.

This guy's course is more in depth and he has more credibility than Proko because the academies in Russia are the most intense environments for learning drawing and painting with directly the same methods 19th century Russian masters used.

The Russians are the real deal. The closest thing you can get to getting in a time machine and going back to when the greatest artists walked the earth and having them teach you directly. Their STUDENT WORK regularly looks like masterpieces.

>>3902815
maybe you're just shit lmao

>>3908910
Wish this meme would die, those academies in Russia are not for learning art, they are for scaming rich parents into believing their artsy children are art masters and so they have something to tell, all they actually do is producing artists that can only niche stuff nobody wants anymoe. Russian artists are sub par and have low use in the modern global workforce. Ruble is worth nothing at the moment, half the world should be all over those "magnificant" artists and using them for their projects, but they just dont, despite them being allegedly so good. Why is that? One of the Top earners when it comes to that in Russia is probaly Akabur. That tells it pretty much all.

>>3908910
>Proko's stuff is over-simplified for kids
Proko stuff is based of Vilppu and Hampton mate
you don't know shit
granted he didn't go into detail rendering like Illya course but calling his stuff for kids is just plain bs
I bet you didn't go far in either

>>3908822
It looks like a waste of time indeed. Proko is simplified Watts so go to the source when you can. You'd be better off doing whatever Watts you can get your hands on, Scott Eaton anatomy, Steve Huston's book, grabbing some Asaro head photos, and whatever you can get with Vilppu/Bidgman/Richer/Bammes/Struttura Uomo/Hampton/Barcsay/Simblet. Once you see how people work with demonstration videos you can teach yourself the rest and get feedback. Art is a lot of self study and video courses aren't silver bullets to making you better. You need to put in the work yourself.

>>3908755
if you can afford, go in ateliers to study. other thing i can think of is to make a lot of copies of the works of old masters and also russian artist, there should be a folder of their artwork in the sticky.

>>3908924
That poster isn't wrong, some of the best artists in the world are in Russia, naturally there are mediocre ones who just coast by, like anywhere else.

The good artists mostly sell their work in China, some make quite a bit of money, but they don't believe there's any market for their stuff in the west

http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/ctenglish/se/txt/2010-08/06/content_289182_2.htm

>>3909478
Yeah also there's a great deal of talented people who don't know how to market themselves and don't know English(young) or have more than enough work in Russia and China so they don't bother(established artists). These who use their traditional skills in digital painting/3d sculpting have pretty strong works with good fundamentals as you can see on artstation

>>3908924
>academies in Russia are not for learning art
Stopped reading after this. You're an idiot. That is all.

>3908930
It doesn't matter what Proko bases his videos on, they stop being helpful after you're trying to get out of an intermediate level because only so few of his videos go past basic construction of the figure. I respect him for making easy to understand videos on basic fundamentals for beginners but at a certain point you need more substance if you're serious about art.

>>3908935
You make very good suggestions and I agree that Watts Atelier would be a better option than learning from Proko himself.

But this course isn't a waste of time. There's a clear difference between how the Russians render the figure vs the ateliers in the West and this course shows you the reason and how to incorporate it into your art. Instead of simply copying the figure and its values sight-size method, they use complete knowledge of anatomy to guide how they construct and render the forms of the figure from the inside out.

>>3909560
>Stopped reading after this.
Some people just cant face the truth.

>>3909478
>The good artists mostly sell their work in China
Those are called white monkey jobs for a reason in china and the eastern european ones are even more frowned upon than the rest already is.

>>3909796

You didn't even bother reading what I spoon-fed you, let's try again.

>Yury Kalyuta, a noted artist in St. Petersburg, often exhibits his paintings in China. Some of his best pieces have sold in the range of RMB 200,000 to 300,000

Which is around 40.000 usd, most artists only make a fraction as much of course, but it's not terrible money.

>>3909802
Now show me how many actually make anything real in China beside this exception. You are just shit talking nothing more.
>hurr durr russians are sooooo guuud, totaly selling so much stuff in china, it is not like they want to sell something in the west for much more or something, learning english to earn a lot more is just tooooo unreasonable

Fuck off with your coping, vatnik. It is already enought that idiots like you shill all every other board, at least have some dignity and dont shill your crap on the smaller boards.

Enough debating
Start posting exercise

>>3909809
>judging art solely on how whether or not billionaires want to buy it
just lol.

>>3909863
>saying artists are super good from a certain country and no one knows about it only because they just mostly sell to china since learning english isnt an option despite being able a ton of more money
Why is everything revolving russians always like this?

>>3908924
>rich parents
If anything art education in russia is way more accessible than in the west

>>3910943
and the ones who get accepted in the schools start drawing and studying at like 10 or so, so they have a decade or more experience before even going to the real deal

>>3910943
Yeah. Education in Russia is paid by oildollars.

>>3902941
This is awesome.
Does anyone have the rest of the files? I.e. reference photos?

>>3906631
I somehow feel this skull is worse than the last 2

>>3912463
it's the ayylmao shape
I think it's caused by the light source that is somehow at the crown and face at the same time

Absolute /beg/ here, should I just roll with the mega videos posted here?

>>3912952
yes but you should draw a lot of still life with decent accuracy before jumping into skull
this course require pretty big and high quality paper, and some kind easel so you can draw comfortable enough
I'm thinking about I might skip the stretching paper part though
also require some material later on

>>3902941
lol it's basically the same bullshit copying-class that makes every talentless mofo to believe they can draw

>>3912463
quite a lot of hard edges and not enough highlights, and the shape is weird as someone said. also check the eyesockets, they are similar on both sides, but on the right we can see the middle part on the upper "lid" goes down, and on the right it goes up? one of them is fucked, so correct that

>>3913231
>believing talent is a thing
>thinking you can't get better at drawing by drawing from observation

How dumb do you have to be to think like this

Russians like to over detail because a lot of their art is devoid of any interesting subject matter because they can only paint the following

1. Classical artists can't seem to have any ideas beyond some Cossacks and Russian Nobles standing around some Siberian shithole holding swords and shit or some portrait of some half baked Czar

2. In terms of sci fi, they can't seem to have any ideas beyond some shitty quasi STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl fanart, where it's some guy in a hood and gas mask holding an ak74 standing around some derelict soviet town surrounded by abandoned military vehicles with a drab color pallette

3. In terms of fantasy(this one also applies to Polish artists), they can't seem to have any ideas beyond some wannabe Warhammer Fantasy or Warcraft shit, but with a grayer color palette and somewhat more realistic armor

and don't even get me started on slavaboos trying to be Russian

>>3913231
>bullshit copying-class
I don't get it, you think people can just draw from imagination from the start?

>>3912463
Messed up eye sockets, you have zero eye brows, shape of the skull is messed up.

>>3913231
You're actually retarded.

>>3913231
correct take on it

>>3913231
This

>>3913231
This is honestly right.

>>3913296
>>3913285
>>3913320
I mean, it didnt look like he said to abandon observational drawing or anything, it's just he has a point it's not much different then any other class that teaches you to do that.

Im also not a fan of the measuring thing, i think closely measuring observation stuff reinforces flat copying.

>>3913921
not really he use a lot of construction and not linear block like charles bargue course
and measuring with pencil if perfect for beginner to train their eyeballing skill for proportion later
if you check beg you would see many fail to construct a Loomis head because their measuring is so terrible

>>3913921
Honestly its wrong. Does this drawing by the instructor himself look like a copy to you? All you have to do is watch the free samples on youtube and look at Iliya's own figure drawings to know that he does anything but "flat copying".

He teaches you how to integrate knowledge of anatomy and observational drawing, so you can see beyond the skin to speak. From what I've seen he adds information and detail to emphasize parts of the figure based on that anatomical knowledge to make it look more lifelike and structural, while also modifying the position slightly or leaving out irrelevant details. The essential is emphasized, the inessential is simplified. That's way beyond simply copying what you see.

About measuring, you will realize the importance of it you ever try to draw a realistic portrait. Its a tool to get correct proportions, doesn't mean you are simply copying. For example, if you are doing an impressionistic portrait of someone you still have to have their features in exactly the right place for it to look like them. Its the same with figure drawing.

Does anyone have the reference photos from the course?

>>3913973
Well I do, and also have the 3D model link
https://www46.zippyshare.com/v/BWVi5csg/file.html
but not for the last 3 part because it didn't release back then
check the 3D link for me

>>3913965
You're misunderstanding me, i wasn't critiquing him as an artist or his skillset, nor disagreeing with anything you said.

I was saying, from the point of view of a beginner it isn't anything groundbreaking. Huston, VIlppu, michael hampton and many others are going to teach you the same concepts.

I misstated what i meant by measuring but i didnt mean it in the sense of noting proportions.

>>3908822
>>3908849
>>3908890
>>3908935

I go to a Russian academy, all my professors are former students of Mogilevtsev and I find myself revisiting Proko and Watts online courses very often, because the material is fitting and non contradictory to the Russian method. The upside of Watts/Proko is that they have schemes and simplified anatomy that is easier to learn and better put together from a constructive standpoint. The upside of the Russian method is that I love how we render and paint and learn to discipline ourselves and work hard. You can use both approaches at the same time and I think not learning the Reilly method is a mistake. Use both approaches and don't ever look down on Proko's figure drawing and anatomy lessons, they helped me out a ton, even though I have amazing teachers around me every day.

>>3914045
don't support Proko here mate
ic has a beef for him

>>3914049
>/ic/ is one person

>>3913998
Fair enough, I did misinterpret you.

If you are a /beg/ level then you are just as well off as learning from Vilppu and Huston because they are so good.

However in my opinion if you want to learn from a strictly academic approach, I would argue learning from the Russians is the best way to go. They take the best of both worlds - their equally concerned with constructing and emphasizing the figure's form via anatomy knowledge as it is from accurate observational drawing. The end result is that the drawings seem to have a tangible solidity and structure to them, like a sculpture and yet they still look lifelike, even when they use an impressionistic approach to rendering. As far as I know, no other academic school of thought in the West takes construction and complete knowledge of anatomy as seriously as the Russians.

For this reason I am not really a fan of the Bargue style Sight-Size method which you can see in Juliette Aristides drawings... Which really is much more like copying things just how you see them at a surface level.

This drawing gives you an idea of the amount of constructive drawing they do. Simplifying into basic shapes, visualizing the skeleton underneath, and of course they do a lot of studies of muscles.

>>3914072
Not everyone likes the Russian academic style. Oftentimes it's stiff and simplified in an unappealing way. I don't know the proper name but I prefer the more modern Western/American approaches.

>>3914049
what? that is more just crab clicking than anything else

>>3902941
so this is where our visual communications prof ripped off our prelim period activity, LOL

>>3914088
Got any examples?
>>3914148
that is the hardest oof imaginable. Imagine being a professor and just stealing a course from some random russian from the internet.

>>3914192
>Imagine being a professor and just stealing a course from some random russian from the internet.
I would call that poethic justice.

>>3914045
Proko proved that he's a hack, I just once checked out his stuff and it looked pretty watered down. I dunno about Watts but better stick to Bammes and Vilppu for construction schemes. Copying all Vilppu videos step by step was very beneficial for me when I was starting out, you could do that if you're hungry for knowledge

Niggas, we in Russia (t. ruski) hate this xeroxnigger boomer "observation drawing", because it doesn't teach you to actually draw, like, from imagination. If you want to be xeroxnigger fine, learn this shit, but every snow artnigger worth his salt will tell you to learn from Hampton/Robertson/Vilppu/etc if you don't want to waste your time snorting your own farts and thinking you're big shit if you're managed to copy some old grandpa's face (hi Proko).

>>3914412
>assuming copying images from Hampton/Vilppu is not drawing from observation

I could go on but from this alone its obvious that you're retarded

>>3914473
ngmi

>>3902815
Is this better than Dynamic Sketching and Proko's Figure Drawing Class?

>>3902941
>>3913986
How long should I be spending on each set of classes and assignments?
Is a week per set of classes a good pace overall?

Also good shit anons, thanks for these

>>3912463
What the fuck is that? It doesn't seem to be charcoal, but at the same time it's so dark compared to the graphite I use. Is it just really soft graphite?

>>3914412
Observation drawing teaches you whatever you're trying to learn. It's a good idea to sanity check your knowledge, and it absolutely teaches you about the subject, which in turn teaches you to visualize better, which in turn leads to better imagination drawings.

I don't get it.

>>3902941

Holy shit this stuff is golden!

>>3902815

What is your opinion on Matt Kohr and Ctrl-Paint anons?

>>3913986
Just found out Zippyshare is blocked in the UK :(
Can you upload somewhere else?

Can anyone put it on CGPeers?

>>3906831
So wrong it hurts buddy.

>>3914945
Ctrl+Paint is good shit. Very easy to understand and internalize. Although as usual, some of their workflows are suspect, so take everything with a grain of salt and try to figure out better solutions.

>>3915011

Thanks mate, I think that too. I bought some of Matt's courses and they're frigging awesome made me improve a lot.

>>3915011
>some of their workflows are suspect
what do you mean?

>>3914879
I don't think each class is suppose to be thesame amount of time
they get tougher when you dig in
this is not like CGMA
>Is a week per set of classes a good pace overall?
the moment you get to anatomy it probably dozens of hours each
I'm at the skull part and he make me draw 3 full render skull which take hours each as first part of homework
watch hours of content and draw along mesmerize dozens of skull bones
and draw construct 6 skull from ref , 2 more full render, and 6 from imagination as the second part of homework
>>3914934
B3 graphite I just press a bit hard maybe the camera make it dark
>>3914951
tough luck anon
my mega is full maybe other anon can help

>>3907103

>>3902941

Based, redpilled and high IQ.

>>3915325
round two: crosshatching edition

>>3914936
>Observation drawing teaches you whatever you're trying to learn.
>which in turn teaches you to visualize better, which in turn leads to better imagination drawings.
not really. observation teaches you to copy or analyze shapes. people who only draw from observation/reference tend to not draw well from imagination. it's the atelier problem. they can sight size and observe but can't construct from imagination.

>>3908924
akabur is russian? I thought he was a middle eastern

>>3915912
>akabur is russian
Yes. And he now lives good oligarch life in Russia or depending who you ask is bitch of russian mafia and all his patreon money is money laundring for mafia.

>>3915928
why the fuck would they care or even know about some nerd that draws cartoon porn, and why would the nerds that do care know anything about russian mafia business.

>>3915831
>observation teaches you to copy or analyze shapes.
You also have to memorize those shapes and patterns for short periods between seeing figure and putting it down on the paper so it is also a memory exercise. So with repetitious drawing of hands from observation for example you are building your visual library of how they look and work. Obviously the best way to reinforce that memory would be try to recreate drawings from memory after you did them from observation.

It should be obvious by now. How well you're able to draw/construct figures from imagination is mostly dependent on how strong your knowledge is of how they actually look. There has to be that memory there to pull from.

>people who only draw from observation/reference tend to not draw well from imagination
You're partly right. Drawing from imagination is also a muscle that has to be worked in order to grow. Practicing it makes you better at recalling what you already know as well as using it to make new compositions. But you are still recalling from the memory you've built up of whatever subject, which could really poor if you didn't take the time to study.

>it's the atelier problem. they can sight size and observe but can't construct from imagination

That depends on the atelier and the person. It would be a piss poor atelier that only taught you sight-size copying for finished work and not how to construct figures and make compositions from imagination. That's why you have to be careful where you learn. Watts Atelier and the Russians take that very seriously. Which is why the Russians are still able to create monumental historical paintings in the style of the old masters, pic related.

Observational drawing is a sort of pre-requisite for good imagination drawing as well as finishing up imagined drawings to a high level (references!),& drawing from imagination is required for creating your own compositions from the ground up. They're equally important so do both as often as possible.

>>3915965
Making porn is illegal in Russia. Besides, the money Akabur makes is very good. So Rusaian bandits (that is, cops. They are not only indistinguishable, some of the former bandits actually became cops) would be interested in getting a slice of his patreon bucks.
Another dude, OldHuntsman (who too is Russian) was almost arrested for his game. He was putting CP and guro in it, so no huge surprise.
t. Tatar

Do you all buy an easel for this course?

What graphite pencils does Iliya use in the course?

>>3916577
he use different thing later but for the most begin part he recommending 3B pencil
>>3916568
You have to draw on pretty big paper
placing it on a flat tablet definitely won't help

>>3916072
Making porn isn't illegal in Russia, some people mention some kind of ruling in google but it isn't enforced or an actual law banning porn at all. They definintly could in theory go after you but they wont unless you're drawing kids.

Drawing underaged people is a totally different thing though, they definitely go after that shit., hence the dude you mentioned.

But those are definitely not watched by regular cops. The idea of some regular Russian cop or even omon fag finding some dudes patreon and trying to extort him is pretty laughable. Like, how's he going to find him? Actual criminals are highly unlikely to bump into some random fags patreon and find a way to get to him.

>>3914383
Watts is pretty good actually, they have a very efficient training regimen when it comes to art. The only problem is its an expensive gig, you need to be taking at least 4 classes to get the most of it other than that you have to have enough money to survive in San Diego for 3 months which is fucking expensive as shit. I would recommend using both NMA/Russia/Reilly as each method will teach you a different principle, whilst eliminating the weaknesses of the other. As for Watts plan ahead if you want to go, and be ready to get humbled the students in that school are absolute fucking beasts when it comes to art.

>>3916590
Here's article 242 of the Russian penal code. It clearly prohibits making or selling porn. And no, "Heзaкoнныe изгoтoвлeниe" does not imply there's a legal way to create porn as opposed to the illegal one. Russian lawyerspeak also has stuff like "illegal organised crime".
http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_10699/ad5d9196ef8584bf342b4c10c1eb39fed4ae8745/

>>3916661
I don't care dude, but I guess it's pretty good way to learn for amerifats

>>3916661
>I would recommend using both NMA/Russia/Reilly as each method will teach you a different principle, whilst eliminating the weaknesses of the other
Based post.

Watts seems really great, I wish I could go there. Do you know if the online classes are worth the money? Obviously it would be best to go in person but it seems like you would have to have a lot of money to afford it.

It doesn't seem like Proko is a good example of Watts - other students have much more impressive work. I think Proko is an example of that even if you go to an atelier, you still have to apply yourself to reach your full potential especially after you leave. Proko's art especially his paintings aren't that great for someone who spent 7 years at one of the best ateliers because he focused on making a business out of YouTube. He's said himself that he wishes he had more time to do his personal work but most of his time is spent running his business.

>>3916590
He is literally started a whole niche section of sex games that simply wasnt there before like this, with a ton of people knowing about it. Of course there will be people here and there knowing about this, some might live close to him and sold the info to some shady persons. Friend in Russia says that money is like blood in the water there at the moment, to many people are living of the bare minimum and below that, if someone got some more and no good contacts or can shield himself off by being in an area for rich people, the shark will just come and try their luck.

while talking about it, does akabur still hang around /aco/ with his trip

>>3916695
In the end its 100% true,I`d stick with NMA DESU you get a lot more out of it then the online school, plus its fraction of the price. The watts drawing course for now has a lot of stuff you can find on any other course and not as much in terms of insight. The best deal is to go to the actual atelier and interact with the students and teachers. NMA gives you a lot more options in terms of anatomy,figure construction, portraiture and some of the more fundamental aspects.

>>3902815
this course is probably is the best anatomy course for lazy neet because unlike other NMA this course give a bunch demo and quite a lot of assignment with clear direction for each part of the body so anatomy just stuck in your goddamn head rather than Rey and Vilppu (who are also good) just give you a schematic

Will this help me draw lolies doing imaginative things?

>>3918447
if you like muscular little girl

>>3918447
Yes. Any this course helps with anatomy, rendering(Usually with pencil), and construction. There are some sections that focus on representing what is in front of you, but much of the course is applicable to drawing from imagination. Don't draw lolies though. It's weird and creepy.

>>3916581
Do you know what brand of graphite he uses?
Also what's a cheap but good graphite pencil to buy for this course?

Does anyone know what brand of graphite Ilya uses?
Also what's a cheap but good graphite pencil to buy for this course?

>>3920347
I don't think the brand of graphite affect much
but maybe paper is more important

>>3916590
> Drawing underaged people is a totally different thing though
He wasn't an artist and used pre-existing images. Your point is still valid.

>>3916590
If you have a lot of money and good lawyer you can make hundreds porn videos because in court you will say that is "just erotic and obviously not porn" and give them proofs from experts. But if you haven't a lot of money (and good lawyer) you may go to the prison because of torrent use when downloading a porn or for sharing your directories with porn videos in the local network. This is how russian law works and I just said you real cases.

>>3915831
There are many methods of measuring besides sight size, and nothing else other than drawing from life will teach you how to draw with proper proportions.

I hope people who attended ateliers and institutes, and have experience with their methods are still here.

What are your thoughts of the Florence style atelier? I'm talking about Florence Academy of Arts (and their other schools like Barcelona, Sweden, Toronto, etc), Angels Academy (the one from César Santos) and the like?

I've seen that Angels makes you a photocopy machine with impecable measuring and color mixing while Florence also forces you to sculpt and learn construction/anatomy

I'd really, really love an answer because I have some savings and want to move away from my third world country and study out there.

>>3920352
On the videos he starts with Blick’s brand

Damn, it’s painful when he gets nervous and starts stammering, brings back old memories :(

>>3925183
I was wondering if its partly because English may not be his first language

>>3914204
>poethic justice

>>3902937
>try to follow /ic/ bullshit
>getting nowhere
>drink a cup it vodka
>pull out my sketch book
>start drawing randomly
>pic related with nothing but a mechanical pencil in 2 hours
Russians had it right all along

>>3902941
Why is the first video missing for the majority of the sections? Does anyone know what they are?

>>3925303
the first video is just a introduction
just a like 30sec of him telling you what he gonna teach

>>3925306
I see, I figured it was something like that. Kinda sad they're not included though, in the same vein I've always liked watching the ones Watts makes.

>>3902941
you got the reference images he talks about on the videos ??

>>3925328
See >>3913986