/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3887906

>>3888203
Do not post in the nazi threads!

>>3888153
All that skull talk last thread makes me want to tackle anatomy. What's the best/ideal way of learning?

>>3888209
this
i'm rich and want to buy the fattest picture book in existence
what's that book?

>>3888246
Anatomy for the artist by jeno barcsay. Not the best but it's full of nice pictures and does list all the muscles. It's like 6 bucks used on amazon. Really though, you need a couple references. Some kind of clear atlas that shows muscles and bones and a guide for artists like Bridgman that breaks it down into forms actually used in art. Each on its own is nearly useless.

>>3888153
Yo, still making those weird bottles.

>>3888259
He's a bottle now.

>>3888259
ur past /beg/

>>3888269
Thanks but I don't see the draw thread anywhere,,,

What is the easiest, cleanest way to get past the stage where your art is humiliatingly bad?

Do these folds look good? I was lookin at my own leather jacket while doing it but I'm not convinced.

>>3888503
Check Proko videos + outright copy people from Quickpose.com. At the very least you'll learn the correct outline of the human body and sections instead of drawing weird midgets.

>>3888503
Draw from life.
Only basing the answer on the criteria found in the question.

>>3888529
Is that Wesker?

>>3888538
Finally someone got it, yeah he's supposed to be Wesker

>>3888529
Folds are ok, but anatomy is a little off.
His left arm seems broken and legs are too long compared to the torso, probably is just the belt placed too high

>>3888529
Isn't Wesker a but beefier than that, even without the coat?

>>3888603
It seems he is, yep >>3888593 I think I'll just do it again, it'll be good practice.
Today I also tried to copy real hair from someone sitting in front of me, and ended up adding a body to it. I'll refine both of these later, drawing horror seems like fun.

>>3888529
Nice folds there, I made a quick tutorial for you to explain how it works in case you haven't seen one yet if yes then sorry. Personally I find folds to be a massive hassle to draw.

>>3888624
Saving that, really helpful image anon

>>3888273
Do we still have the Drawthread ?

>>3888529
>>3888534
>Only basing the answer on the criteria found in the question
Yeah I guess I walked into that. I'm depressed and autistic, hate both, and I keep seeing that when I draw faces. Is there a way to get good at faces quick, or just make sure they don't end up looking like hatchetfish?

>>3888694
>Go to Quickposes and do face sketches
>study facial expressions, how the different parts of the face move and change their shape on different emotions.

I'm analyzing my mistakes. I'm cognizant of what strategies give me better results and what don't. I'm able to reproduce examples from better artists at a mechanical level that lets me absorb the information. I am able to draw straight lines that are parallel or perpendicular, and I'm able to divide these lines in half. My circles and ellipses aren't a complete mess. I draw more and more each day. I am improving! Thank you /ic/!

>>3888735
Godspeed Anon!

>>3888809
Observational practice I assume? Not bad.

>>3888253
Barcsay is pretty good but this is better. https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Guide-Anatomy-Artists-Illustrators/dp/1782213589

>>3888823
I try to sketch at least something everyday and I'm on the road this week for work so I just drew the phone on the hotel room. I don't really have an objective. What is the biggest problem with this sketch? and I'll focus on that in my next one.

Does anyone know why my lines are like this when i draw in Sai withouth a stabilizer?
This doesn't happen in photoshop

>>3888846
That looks cool but a tad expensive but cool. I'm currently going through Morpho and can use that for now to get used to how the anatomy is shaped and use this book to finesse what i learned. Thanks!

>>3888850
It's a good habit;something I need to do myself. I'm still hella beg, but it looks rather flat, thats all.

>>3888874
OK I'll work on that

How do i draw like this

What's a bargue plate?

>>3888924
Charles Chester Barge later known as Bargue was a young man with a gift for art in all its forms. He died young in 1848 at age 24 but left behind a remarkably expansive body of work. He is most known for his pottery and molds which are copied by art students around the world who wish to study the human figure.

>>3888874
There's pdfs on that book as well, you can check the pictures and copy them with pencil, thats the most important

the internet is so damn distracting

>Don't feel like drawing because I suck at drawing
>Can't get better at drawing unless I make shitty drawings

I'm trying to start painting, and I have a fairly small apartment and I'm hesitant to make a mess. Any advice on what to get/avoid/whatever so I can actually start painting but not have my precious shithole box filled with canvas' covered in bad paintings and the walls and furniture covered with splatters?

I just drew Karl IV
Rate and thoughts?

>>3888680
Where is it >:(

>>3888209
you might want to draw the head decently enough to tackle anatomy

>>3888153
Shit the Russian drawing course want me to buy a huge ass easel and canvas for the planes of the heads project
too bad I stuck with A4 for now

>>3889008
You know what kind of helped me with this? When I started I just drew on the back of any waste piece of paper. I just used a shitty pencil and drew whatever I wanted because if it sucked it wasn't a waste of paper, It was going to be thrown out anyways. Pretty soon my family started saving paper for me so i could draw on the backs first and then recycle them afterwards. Eventually i started getting to the point where i actually started liking some of my drawings and started keeping them..drawing on a tablet on my computer also helped me for similar reasons.

>>3889125
I can draw Loomis heads fine. Gonna use that for general proportions before tackling variations using models.

Where should I start if I can't even write within the lines?

>>3889148
How can you get better without deliberate practice?

Thoughts? Something feels off about my drawing but I can't tell what.
Also reference image in the bottom right.

>>3889198
Please look closely at the pants and arms

>pants
more bloated in reference

>arms
the arms on the reference have these spikey things

>hands
no idea how you fucked this up, human hands are pretty fucking hard, but these should be simple

so see the hand where he's holding the bomb, it looks flat, it doesn't look 3D it doesn't look like those fingers actually have volume to them. Also notice how he is missing a finger there.

>snout
snout is a lot shorter on the reference

>highlights
these are not visible on the reference anywhere at all, could be a stylistic choice.

>>3889128
you should get A3 or bigger. can say a lot about ruskies but they know their drawing stuff

>>3889206
>>3889198
did a redline as well

>>3889215
wow, thanks!

>>3889223
np man, just keep going with your drawing, also take a look at my critcism in text.

been trying to work on doing more interesting poses from imagination and wanted a bit of feedback on this. any additional tips on proportion/anatomy would also be appreciated

i'm so tired of gesture drawing
i've done like 20 minutes total over the past 2 weeks
it's a terrible amount of work

>>3889001
Yes, anon, you're supposed to unplug it

>>3889239
what the fuck am i watching
maybe try to finish it, for now it's absolutely garbage senpai

>>3889239

Can't help you. You're already better then I am.

>>3889137
This looks awesome. How can I get to yer level

>>3889271
>>3889239
yea that was pretty dumb of me to post that with pretty much every layer visible
This should be better

>>3889283

will plagiarize.

>>3889283
all kind of yikes, just use a ref

>>3889283
the face obviously need rework
her right feet is quite awkward in that position
her right leg feels disconnect from her pelvis

>>3889295
*left leg

how do you determine the direction of the C shapes that block out thighs, stomachs, ribs, etc.?
^ or v along the thigh

drawing is cancer, how anyone has fun doing this is beyond me.

Thoughts on armor design? I'm trying to do organic shapes in my sci-fi designs.

>>3889346
lame and shit go look mgs artbooks

>>3889346
Here you go anon, I'm a beg too so I don't feel valid giving critique. But I think learning all the parts of knight armor should give you a base for sci-fi https://improveyourdrawings.com/2018/08/how-to-draw-a-knight-step-by-step-tutorial/

>>3888153
Is it OK to practice body and organic shapes with boxes like pic related? I'm fucking struggling with gesture lines and perspective.

What do you Anons think of my drawing?
My drawing style is highly inspired by Sui Ishida

>>3889383
Not beg

Jesus christ, why can't I learn gesture correctly, I just want to get out of beg and draw cute waifus. I'm such an autistic fuck.

>>3889416
well post them
also how much time did you spend on them and how many gesture did you learn every day

How am I doing?

>>3889426

>>3889416
>>3889416
Jeez man, I get that feeling too. You really need to learn when to step away, take breaks, and change your approach. I too sometimes feel like Im just bashing my head in wall like an obsessive fuck, but I find the better I manage it, the better use I make of my time. also, don't study the same thing too much at once. I find doing different types of study each day helps me digest the previous days study much better.

>>3889427
did you use any ref on this?

>>3889442
I did but I don't have it on me

>>3887215 this is the thumbnail.. Huh I didn't follow it that well.

Any help with this? People say it looks like an effeminate man but she's supposed to be a girl. Besides that, I know I want to have the face and extended hand as the focal points but I'm clueless in the rest of the body, it feels stiff.
Head and forwshortened arm is what I want but the rest of the body is just kinda there.

I promise this can be a pretty painting

>>3888872
My reference

>>3888153
my mandragoras

>>3889337
Then stop drawing, you're clearly not willing to put in the work to get better.You've just been badly copying drawings ftom other artist hoping to get better. And you refuse to listen when other anons point you in a direction like working on your line confidence or learning basic construction because you have such an inflated ego and call everyone a crab just because they're a little mean to you. You will never get better than this and you should quit.

I am having difficulty selecting colors and then making tones and tints for them based on different light sources. I'm not sure how well my forms are represented, I know that some of the shadows and highlights are in the wrong place, so something like a redline could be useful. I initially had no linework but it looked embarassingly choppy. Just any process related comments or resources or exercise suggestions so I can get to a level where I can finish the render without linework would be super helpful.

>>3889346
I think the most significant part of an armor design is the silhouette, yours is a bit plain, which is fine if you are going for realism but not that interesting.

>>3889477
Why would you choose a photo that has motion blur as a reference?

i don't even remember saving this but thanks?

>>3889481
Hi Acrimona Anon how are you doing?

>>3889486
Do some grayscale thumbnails to figure out your value arrangement. I know you want the dragon transparent, but treat it as solid for now. It's getting lost atm.

>>3889426
P. Decent if you've got no ref. Nose is out of whack, but the rest is getting there.

>>3889378
waste of time. Practice drawing boxes/rectangle boxes from all angles. I'm talking hundreds until you can "hold" them in your head visually and drawing them just feels like tracing.

Idk where /draw/ or /trad/ are, so postin here. I'm basically a beginner when it comes to oil anyway.

>>3889346
Good design, sleek and sharp bur needs more joints. The most fundamental challenge when creating armor is between offering protection but without restricting mobility. As you know a real life turtle's armor offers a ton of protection but sacrifices a lot of mobility for example.

For a human to wear plates of armor it must have joins or else the human will not be able to move at all. This however makes the joints exposed and the obvious weak spots on the armor. Creating protection for the joints but also leaving them loose fitting for maximum mobility is the core of any believable/practical armor design, unless you are going maximum super high tech/magic where the armor is practically a fully flexible second skin or a completely mechanical and independent robotic exterior.

Keep this in mind when designing armor, if you study real life armor as >>3889352 suggested be on the looking for how these armor try to keep joints protected while still enabling mobility.

I tried to alter the armor a bit giving it more joints, especially at the belly/gut and pelvis area where you need more loose fitting plates to enable movement or else the poor guy won't be able to pick up his sword from the ground should he drop it. Also made the shoulders a bit looser fitting and added knee guards.

Hope this helped.

Any advice or critique? The face looks somewhat different

>>3888529
work on your gesture, the pose is extremely stiff

>>3889416
your face looks more like a sticker than how a skull actually functions (no brow bones or cheekbones, eye is just a line on the side of the head) try feeling your own skull or looking into a mirror.
I also think your drawing could benefit from exaggerating your form a bit and making sure you have a clearer silhouette.

>>3889575
stop what you're doing and draw from life before whats left of your brain rots away

>>3889575
The head positioning looks off in a way. Also the angle of the hip is different from the anime reference. Your eyes aren't looking inwards like the original as well, and because of this it gives your drawing a 100 yard stare feeling instead of a feeling like the drawing is looking at something in particular.
Your drawing of the mouth looks nothing like the original. While yours seems more like a line going from the center of the drawing to one side, the other feels a bit more symmetrical despite having a stylized gap in between where the lips are. Even the way the scar under the eye is positioned is different. The original image's scar is pulling down, almost towards the chin. Yours it is simply going down from the eye.
Remember that anime is merely real life simplified and stylized, and to do a better job at drawing your waifu you have to learn from real life. I reccomend purchasing a smaller pen or drawing larger as well.
Im not a pro so it might not be very good, but I tried to show some comparisons and what is off in this redline.

>>3889575
looks good anon. Captures essence of reference and looks good standalone.
If you want me to play spot the difference the head/chin angle and butt box? are slightly off I guess. Left eye; missing arm tattoos.
I don't think it matters though. Understanding how it's constructed is more important in my opinion than making your goal to create 1:1 replicas.

>>3889538
o hey im good. Ive been BTFO'd recently and basically I just have to grind poses from real life if i wanna git gud at drawing cartoons. Also Ive been working on the script for my new comic. Sorry for the late reply, i was asleep

This is another one. Girl drawing.
Personally I really have a lack of talent on drawing female. Espeacially body. Im getting better and better I guess. Im practicing daily.

>>3889485
I get called a nigger and a retard for simply posting. Also everybody who insults me can't draw.

This is my simple drawing of Girl.
I reaply have a lack of talent drawing female. No problem on male. Im getting progressively better and better but it's not the goal...

>>3889575
The arm is little more far away from each other than the original. And I agree to >>3889670

>>3889694
You've earned that reputation by your constant sperging out and not listening to any advice.
>everybody who insults me can't draw
delusional

>>3889694
>Also everybody who insults me can't draw.
i guess he was right about your ego

>>3889694
>get called a nigger and a retard for simply posting.
Welcome to 4chan.

How do i get better at creating detail from imagination?

>>3889670
>>3889672
>>3889697
Thanks, I really appreciate the feedbacks. The redline was useful to understand the difference in the face, I will try to keep those points in mind.

>>3889498
>>3889498
Because muh qt 3.14 insta thot Korean waifu.

>>3889704
Draw from life+ ref more to build a visual vocabulary.

This was a quick 50 minute sketch and painting. Didn’t really know if I needed to push anymore detail. Thoughts?

>>3889789

Did this last night. The perspective is definitely off, but the composition seems alright to me. Any critique would be great!

>>3889692
Sounds alright, do not beat yourself up about it tough.

Question, do you plan to have ecchi/lewd stuff in your comics? As I can see you are drawing both Acri and especially Mandragora on that pic to be be easily lewdable.

Here are some sketches for alternate Mandragora costumes instead of being nude, Also I an idea to use the thingy top of the head of your characters by changing it to convey emotions.

>>3889789
not /beg/

>>3889798
>>3889789
Yes /beg/, not being a cunt, but you know, you're OK here for a little bit at least

First shots at drawong anatomy ala the skull. Im on my way.

Thoughts on this app? Recommend anything similar / better?

https://www.amazon.com/Muscular-System-3D-Atlas-Anatomy/dp/B015KWFUDO

>>3889826
are you looking for a 3d model type of thing of just anatomy ?
if later check out "atlas of human anatomy for the artist"

>>3889837
Already downloaded all of /ic/'s books, so I got anatomy for the artist. I want a 3d model of muscles still tho, for rotating muscles in weird ways and comparing my drawings with the model.

>>3889378
Check out Loomis and Robertson books if you want perspective for human figures. The most critical thing is probably diagonals in those rectangles cause they would actually allow you to find the middle line.

>>3889795
Oh my comics are supposed to be SFW. I do want to explore morbid or adult themes in my comic to contrast with the cute, but never lewd. I actually have a hard time drawing lewd things, because really it kinda makes me feel like a slut or something. I just like drawing cute things so I guess those can be easily lewdable.
Also cute drawings! I one day thought of doing mandragora variations but I never did them. Also, you've noticed right? You've mentioned before about taking silhouettes into consideration. All three of those designs have very similar head shapes. And eye shapes too.

Also here's a logo I made for a fictional band in the Acrimona comic. Pretty important to the story. I dont think I've shown it before.

>>3888259
>>3888260
Post somewhere else. You're scaring the begs

>>3889346
>>3889545
Sketched out a new version. How is it now?

Any recommended books for after fun with a pencil?

>>3889954
figure drawing for artists making every mark count

>>3889956
Thanks. will start on that today.

I tried to do a monster from imagination but i fucked up his claws, also wasn't sure exactly how to light him, but yeah.

>>3889912
Gonna read robertson one. Is there a exercise to to daily non-stop? draw a box is okay but I think it kinda of lacks depth sometimes

>>3889698
Not delusional since 1. all good artists don't post on /beg... 2. The better the artist the less they give a shit about some newbies.

>>3890081
That's just your conjecture, you don't know who's behind the posts every time. Delusional. You make guesses to fit your preconceptions.
Even in the cases where you are correct, 90% of /beg/ is better than your week 1 tier scribbles anyway, you would do good to learn from them.

>>3890090
lmfao whatever helps you sleep at night. PYW if you're so good

>>3890090
Oh and these scribbles take me 20 minutes max, and I do them on 1 layer lmfao.

>>3889516
I wanna do this so hard but cant shake the fear that its a waste of time or not optimal.

Haven't drawn this kind of stuff in a while

>>3889816
yikes

>>3890150
I have the same problems with small hands, not only in my small manlet body it torments in my drawings as well, luckly the second one can be avoided

should I just go straight into figure drawing if im just starting out or is there some ideal order I should be learning things in?

I don't fucking know what I'm doing

>>3890175
nice OK hand sign there

I get very few to no crits in other threads and I'm a beginner at design, so I'm back /beg/.

>>3890175
Based war veteran boomer

>>3890227
it would help you greatly if you could go to FZD. your design process is similar.

So left was my first attempt at today at drawing something but I quickly gave up because I could already tell I wasn't going to be able to construct it. The right was something I quickly scribbled together in a quarter of the time just sort of 'feeling' my way through it. Why was that more enjoyable? Why didn't I get the same feeling of doom and gloom?

>>3889695
I thought it was a Bishounin at first so it looks like you're getting good at drawing girls!

>>3889951
Not him but it looks good. I'm impressed at how will you were able to replicate this guy at a different angle. Good job. Jealous.

>>3889481
Cute

animu doodles

>>3889792
Bumpin this, please help me

>>3890150
kek

>>3889672
>looks good anon. Captures essence of reference and looks good standalone.

Why the fuck you lying to him faggot. Its obvious that he don't know shit about human figure and perspective. You must be even worse so keep your opinions for yourself and learn to draw.

>>3890263
Forget to attach image, ever, single, time.

>>3890175
I like it. The perspective on that smaller tank looks kinda weird to me for some reason.

Can I use a ruler to do Ernest drawing perspective problems? or the use of a rule is it not recommended?

im at the plant construction part of drawabox. does it atleast look ok?

Was bored so I cleaned the shit sketch from yesterday.

>>3889486
>>3889541
I don't understand how I'm supposed to capture the full value range of the figure with a grayscale thumbnail. I did a quick run-through with grayscale before painting and it didn't really help

>>3890321
This looks nice anon. Mind if I ask after the brush you used?

>>3890321
That looks nic-OH GODS CLEAN UP YOUR LINES

>take long break from drawing
>decide to start again
>plug in tablet
>open krita
>stare at screen for 5 minutes
>close krita
>unplug tablet

fucking....fuck.

drew a classy girl. at least it doesn't look absolutely horrible

>>3890329
Basic Sai brush.

This shit just jumped like 10 difficulty levels

>>3890377
When I got to that page it reminded me of "draw the rest of the fucking owl"

>>3890377

Took a break from proper drawing for a while to do Drawbox and have gotten to the 250box challenge. Decided now would be a good time to do some drawing for myself while I grind away at the boxes.

These took a few hours to do and most of that was trying to work things out. I know the running one still has a lot of issues. Point is I did these in a couple of hours compared to the 8 or so hours it took me to do the first iteration before I started drawabox. So I'm pretty happy with that. These are just rough sketches. Linework should look much neater.

>>3890390
>drawing boxes
how will that help you draw anime girls?

Tried a pose

Took a break from proper drawing for a while to do Drawbox and have gotten to the 250box challenge. Decided now would be a good time to do some drawing for myself while I grind away at the boxes.

These took a few hours to do and most of that was trying to work things out. I know the running one still has a lot of issues. Point is I did these in a couple of hours compared to the 8 or so hours it took me to do the first iteration before I started drawabox. So I'm pretty happy with that. These are just rough sketches. Linework should look much neater.

>>3890377
I wouldn't say so, anon..

The first row uses his standard Loomis head. The second one blocks out the hair, and the third one is just hatching. Fourth one just goes over everything with a pen.

>>3890405
I think it's just the very nature of drawing women. As loomis says, everything must be perfect. It simply points out pre-existing flaws in a more obvious way

I get super lost in when there are so many value shifts close to one another any tips

>>3890356
not absolutely horrible but still bad lol work on proportions and anatomy. also i would work with traditional for a little (at least that helped me improve, gives you a little more control if youre inexperienced)

>>3890437
Just mess A BIT with the brightness/contrast of your original image so the value shifts more pronounced for you.

no real anatomy present or anything i've been practicing as of late, but im trying to be more consistent with my lines compared to what i usually do

The quality that I want my art to be is ahead of what my current skill level is capable of. I notice that something looks off, try to fix it to no avail - and end up throwing the drawing away.

When/how can I say "Fuck it" and move on with my drawing, instead of working on a stupid eye-placement and whatnot for days on end?

Colored my mandragoras, added 2 new poses, and a little illustration of size

Any way to improve it?

>>3890452
Looks stylish

Redline please.

Redline please

this book im reading about painting landscapes challenged me to paint a sky a day in different directions/time of day and i accepted. problem is i suck at plein air. would it be cheating to take a pic and study from that?

Do I add fingers during gesture practice sessions or just later? I usually do the hand base and that's it.

not a fan of art school

>>3890377
Aye I'm new to digital art. Is there any brush in Photoshop similar to like the blue sketches?

>>3889416
> I'm such an autistic fuck.

Nah you r just very bad at drawing. 4h or 10 minutes dose not matter cuz its all shit.
Grab some books and start your studies.

>>3889798
>not /beg/

One day im gonna lose my mind here

Can I improve by copying my favorite artists? Don't worry they're not anime artists, for the most part... Yusuke Murata is too fucking good.

Anyway, gesture drawing is a fucking drag, and since I draw for fun and want to get better solely to have more fun drawing, that's really not what I want for my learning experience.

>>3890570
yes sinix get good by this way

why doesn't this look quite right???

>>3890570
Also I should add that: I'm probably slightly below this level >>3889951 when it comes to posing without ref. Anatomy is ok and I'm currently working on it because it's actually fun to practice drawing muscles. And shading is nothing special, I have a notion of when things cast shadows and which direction they go, but I don't usually draw things with dramatic lighting so I can't have a good idea. And I got here only by drawing random shit and copying, I've only taken interest in studying a year ago.

I'd post a drawing but my phone camera is shit, might scan some to post here later this week.

>>3890571
He's pretty good. Does he have a video showing progress or talking about the process? Or did he just say that that's how he got good?

>>3890583
see his sketchbook tour he talks about in the video and in the comments too

>>3890583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEgCsWyOyCo
he talks about here too

not finished but im already ready 2 die

>>3890581
the values arent exactly replicated, theyre a bit muddled, and you symbol drew the eyes

>>3890597
Be sure that you do finish it; to a degree you are capable of.

Once you are finished, you should be proud that you tried and finished what you set out to do. Sure, right now you dont have the experience to make something you might like, but In order to keep going you need to be proud of your attempts.

Keep doing studies and also gesture studies. When I was first starting out, studying gesture helped me understand where lines should be placed. It also helped train my muscles so that I could accurately place lines when drawing. It would also help to draw constructions first, like box mannequin, before you draw definite lines.

>>3890604
yea im going to look that up next... i've been looking at proko vids and it all kind of just escapes me. i can't just look at a person and see where their ribcage would be like he can. i hope it comes in practice but for now i'm like ????

>>3890227
discount james gurney :^)

I just really hate how I draw and I haven't really been motivated. I don't know what I need to do or what will help me.

I posted an art progression thing and I got MULTIPLE responses like, "this is the perfect example of why just draw doesn't work", but I haven't been just drawing, between the pictures I've read a ton of books and drawn alongside them and now I'm just worried I haven't learned anything over the past 140 days of drawing.

Do I have a right to be worried?

Is Sketchbook Pro decent?

>>3890627
For starters your mistake might be going for hyper-stylized drawings when you aren't that good yet. You should worry a bit, but I don't think it's that hard to get you into the right mindset. The books you've read aren't wasted time, knowledge is knowledge, but you're going the wrong way about applying it maybe.

Look, I googled "character sketches" and "anatomy sketches" and found MANY good drawings.
Compare it. It's THAT easy. Now you get a critical mind's eye. What is different in these sketches.. from your drawings? What's different indeed. Since you went for a heavily cartoon style on the right ones, there's not much to compare.

But if I remember correctly you tried to do a more realistic drawing on the left one *besides the face), though it seems you didn't correct the anatomy of that girl.
You shouldn't try a pose that hard at first and if you do, use a reference. I found plenty by searching for "girl squatting butt" buy maybe you know a better term. Anyway...

The sketches' arms have many more sections than yours. That's simple enough to see. There's a big cylinder for the upper arm, then a cylinder for the elbow, another one for the forearm.... And a tube! You for example stopped at the forearm and directly drew a hand on it, but the sketches have a tube connecting the forearm to the hand. Now that you know it, for example, you shouldn't forget it. Then there's some other characters showing their backs at the very bottom, pay attention to the sections and remember to separate your torsos in 3 sections (upper, middle, lower).

I dunno. If you have this much trouble after a year, I'd recommend copying a bit of good anatomy drawings and real people pictures from Quickposes or google, ideally naked or with very fitting clothes. It seems you don't exactly know HOW should real people look, so be my guest and copy some.

Just wondering, do you have any tips for having less flat expressions

>>3889416
Left looks better. Right requires zero skill in comparison

>>3889575
Learn perspective and foreshortening

>>3889977
Don't use outlines for light study

im getting kinda close to finishing this. tfw it took 8 hours to do this. im not terribly satisfied with how the face turned out but i suck at drawing faces from imagination anyways. any glaring issues? are the highlights handled properly? yes i know the hand on the couch sucks right now

>>3890646
Does this look expressive enough to you? I accomplished it by detailing the eyes and lips a bit. Besides doing the eyes and brows, there's a line between them symbolizing the eye socket, and there's also the markings that form between the brows, AND the markings that form under the eyes. Here I drew those lines under her eyes to depict a negative emotion, but a smile for example pushes the corners of the eyes and mouth a bit.
And as I said, it adds some element of 3D to draw the mouth with lips. Some people just draw the mouth as 1 simple line, but it's quite easy to add another line for the lower lip.

This is all assumming you find it expressive but I can't help much more than that.

>>3890674
is she cowgirl giving a double handy?

>>3890660
Do you have a another device you can look at your image on? This is so fucking dark, like the monitor you're using surely must have something wrong with it.

>>3890646
Form.
https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1102855345775337472

>>3890680
i painted it in procreate on an ipad pro but it uploads darker than it looks in the .psd file. it looks way darker on my android too

>>3890680
also is your brightness turned down? i just turned mine from 0% to 100% and it shows a much greater value range despite being really dark. oh well ill try playing with adjustments and see if i can get it brighter while staying true to my colors and repost

>>3890676
She's dancing you psycho

this the best i could get playing with the adjustments

>>3890627
>I just really hate how I draw
And how's that?
> I haven't really been motivated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grit_(personality_trait)
>I've read a ton of books and drawn alongside them
Did you understand what you read? Did you apply what you were taught? Were the books actually what you needed, or did you just read them because you were told to do so?
> I'm just worried I haven't learned anything over the past 140 days of drawing.
How much did you actually draw?

>Do I have a right to be worried?
Not unless you gave it your all.

>>3890688
some advice.
when painting black skin or any skintone, think about the tonal qualities of the skin : it always comes in different color variations. for this type of dark skin (very dark) they would range from purplish to reddish. how skin comes off will also depend on the light source. always look up references for skintone! get a lot of pictures of that skintone and paint from them before trying to paint skintone from imagination.
i don't really understand your light source here. there is direct lighting but the way you set it up is very dim. normally in scenes with such direct lighting the lighted areas would be very bright and there will be a lot of contrast with the shadows. even on black skin the highlights will be very bright, almost white! in your picture the colors are dim and muddy. i recommend that if you do anatomy studies you just keep it to values - color will distract you from the form and you won't get it right (the form nor the color). as for your color studies they shouldn't be form-focused/anatomy-focused : prefer speedpainting for color studies, focus on the color and not the form. i really recommend color and light by james gurney (perfectly and simply explains color).

>>3890705
>>3890688
here's an image with a color setup similar to yours (direct, cold-ish light from the side, with contrast, on very dark skin). notice how the light interacts with the skin and the volumes so that the person doesn't look like a piece of chocolate.

>>3890705
>>3890707
wow thanks. so i guess i could either a. soften the shadows to make the light source less stronger to justify my weak highlights. or b. add a layer and try to figure the high vale/high contrast cool lighting?

>>3890377

>>3890715
"Come on Crab! Draw your last pathetic waifu!"

>>3890729
"My sketchbook contains no pathetic waifus Loomiz!"

how strong are your mental images?
do you see your finished piece before you touch the canvas or do you think through each line as you go?
I feel like a third-eyelet because I can't keep even a box as a stable image in my head.

>>3890751
>how strong are your mental images?
They talk to me

I drew this entirely on photoshop, I'm quite happy with how it turned out. Today I wasn't feeling like grabbing a pen and paper and I always do shitpost comics on Paint so I kinda have the hang of drawing on a touchpad.

I'll make it into a great painting... maybe in a few hours or maybe in a few days.

>>3890688
Looks cool.

Any critiques bros?

>>3890215
>>3890230
>>3890304
Thanks

Whats the correct gesture approach to drawing gesture for the ARMS? It might sound silly but I always find that my arms looks stiff and sometimes broken because of the gesture.
Where does the cillinder gets bigger and then slims down? those kinds of things.

Please destroy my bad attempt at drawing a girl in boxing gear

And if you can give suggestions how to make it less shit, that would be fine too I guess

>>3891033
I hate to be one of those annoying loomis people but, yeah read loomis. That or keys to drawing.

gotta do my 30x44in charcoal drawing today....

>>3890788
how do I draw cars?

>>3891058

I have been suggested that book in the past and to be honest following what it says is incredibly boring, it was so boring it made me quit the first time

I don't want to learn by drawing hundred of circle and stickman's, that picture I made was the result of watching someone making a body tutorial on YouTube and trying to replicate it, and that was actually enjoyable because it resulted in something crappy but satisfying, here's another attempt I did at the tutorial in question

so please anything but loomis

>>3891074
Steve Huston figure course or maybe book but it lack the demo of the course

How do I get good at shape design with Photoshop? Am I doomed to use layers and the eraser to sculpt every stroke into something better? Brushes feel so clumsy without shape control on.

>>3891033
>>3891074
>>3891104

>>3891033
Bro just start to learn anatomy basics okay?

>>3891121
Lasso tool.

>>3891074
There's no hope for you if you can't find the value in Loomis texts.

>>3891126

Like I said I tried to follow this tutorial about bodies whose suggestion go like

1.draw a T
2.the higher part of the face is the -, the chin goes in the |
3. The rest of the head is a circle
4. You draw the neck
5. The upper torso is 1 head big
6. The lower torso is 1 head big
7. The legs are as big as the rest of the body
8. the upper arm is just a bit below the upper torso
9. The lower arm is somewhere around the hips

This was the result >>3891074

>>3891076
>too dumb to figure out something simple as Loomis
>suggest Huston
He'll won't even get to the practical part in Huston's book.

>>3890715
i know I've seen a version like this but with omae wa shinderu can someone post it please

>>3891159
Pathetic.

>>3891074
>too proud to practice fundamentals or start at zero
>draws like shit
YOU'LL NEVER NEVER MAKE IT
YOU'LL NEVER NEVER MAKE IT
YOU'LL NEVER NEVER MAKE IT

YOU'LL STOP DRAWING IN A FEW MONTHS AND WON'T PICK IT UP EVER AGAIN YOU LAZY PATHETIC CLOWN
NGMI NGMI

>>3891159
>Like I said I tried to follow this tutorial about bodies
Don't >:[

>>3891164

>>3891174
thanks

>>3891074

>>3891155
>>3891168
>>3891171
>>3891182

I'd rather fuck off than bother drawing a bunch of circles than turn into bald ugly caricatures which supposedly will magically improve my perspective and sense of proportion

Sorry to have wasted you whippersnappers time

>>3891074
yikes

>>3891200
so skip that section

>>3891033
at least try a couple weeks before talking shit about loomis. I wonder how much time did you spend following the loomis' book before quitting, start by zero and stop being a proud piece of shit

>>3891206

I didn't follow the book at all, and it's not a matter of being proud at all, I simply don't understand what the book would teach me other than to draw like someone who make ads for cigarettes with native Indian in them

How does this lead to drawing the cool stuff like an animal,a tank or a scenery?

Can I honestly believe no other book ever exist or is better than this?

>>3891227
>How does this lead to drawing the cool stuff like an animal,a tank or a scenery?
>Can I honestly believe no other book ever exist or is better than this?
Please, do continue with your naive step by step "anime body" tutorials.

>>3891227
you might need to follow another fundie book/course
before go straight to figure drawing

Is drawing from an online 3D model like drawing from life?

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/suculenta-24960c6871184ebba60b1f0b44c351ca

>>3891074
Try it like this Anon, just take it simple. You can get a pretty decent figure by just dividing lines in half.

First select the full length of the body from the top of the head to the bottom of the feet, then at half you get the bottom of the pelvis. Then dividing those in half you can find the rough place of the knees and the the bottom of the rib-cage. Same goes for the arms but the hands make the arm longer.the hand generally reach around the pelvis or lower.

Same for the face. Just divide the head into half and that halfway line you get the eyes, make the eyes smaller, even anime eyes only appear to be large they are not very large compared to the face, put the eyebrows a bit above them. Then from the eyes measure the half was down towards the chin and you get the bottom of nose. From the bottom of the nose measure down again and halfway you will get the bottom of the lower lip and you can put in the mouth slightly above that.

And remember these are guidelines, bodies are slightly different from person to person but these rough guidelines are very easy to follow and are quite common.

finally went back to Keys to Drawing after 2 weeks of fucking around, gonna finish it
moving onto Draw A Box afterwards so I can learn construction since my intent is to draw from imagination anyway

this is Project 4 -A, mapping out drawings into light and shadow
I think my proportions are getting better, even if there's slight mistakes (like the right shoulder)


>>3891240
any type of reference (photo, 3D image) isn't drawing from life, and in your case you're drawing something that isn't real, so it's even less 'like drawing from life'
that said, a dynamic 3D image is better than an image if your goal is to draw from life, especially if you can play with the lighting yourself

>>3891246
had to do it 3 times, 5 minutes each which translates to 30-60 minutes for me
I like this one the most

>>3891248
this one is a mess, should have used pen on a different photo since the end result is so confused, looks like he's wearing camo

>>3891231

The naive step by step "anime body" tutorial teached me a bit about proportion and in the end I had fun following it and trying out because what I was trying to do was well explained

Loomis throw me this after pages and pages of circles that turn into caricatures

>>3891257
As I said, please do continue. Taking this path will be a good lesson.

Kinda interesting ig.

>>3891241

Thank you

>>3891257
ngmi

>>3891240
drawing from life is better, but sometimes you can't find a demon girl to suck you off

wew 6 dollarydoos for this hardcover

I've just bought CSP for 188 Euro and now the fucking nigger is asking me for serial number
if nobody knows how to het past this, let this be a lesson for everyone who comes after me to never trust the gook nigger

>>3891227
Do continue the books. I just started drawing and on the same book. While I still make shit drawings I can make figures a lot better than what I could before.

>>3891288
Forgot to post my shit

How do I draw rocks?

>>3891296
EASIEST FUCKING THING TO DO

>>3891302
no your mum is. Me and the Iron Sheik are your fathers. Rocks are honestly really hard. If you make them all the same shit looks fake. Make them all different and shit looks distracting.

>>3891302
then explain bucko

Have never drawn anything other then shitty knight/kamen rider headshots in my life becuz im an autistic beg, where the hell do i start learning anatomy?

>>3890883
luffy's expression looks a little demented but it looks pretty cool!

>>3891288

i just learned that there are other books by andrew loomis other than "fun with pencil"

i was suggested to go with "figure draw" so i wil ltry that so i can escape those terrible ugly bald heads

Just learned about creating hard edges by using a soft round and then erasing, I'm having the time of my life but, any ideas to make this interesting?
I got inspired by this >>3889140 picture and that guy uses greens and reds and other colors, but is it at random? Can I do something like that if my background is just a blue sky? I think it'll just look tacky on my drawing. I'm still applying values don't think it's finished

>>3891250
His head isn't even having the same direction.

>>3891420
yeah learn some fucking anatomy

>>3891430
It's an outline for now but it's not that different from the references I have, I need to close the pecs a bit more and separate shoulders from neck but the pose is there.

Yo how to draw clothes

>>3891451
Like giorno's clothes

I tried.

Hello, very new to this, as you can evidently see.
Here are my problems
>I trace over my lines a lot, making them look very "rough"/no clean single line as I've seen in other people's art
>I have no real understanding of what I'm doing, this drawing was an attempt at https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3150202530/cdff5a024baf6aac0fe979c4a0046b11.jpeg
As you can see, I just copied the lines and I even missed the size of them, by a long shot.
>I managed to make a dead stare even more dead, and it doesn't resembles him at all
>I have no concept of perspective and anatomy
>To control my own movements (pivots) is hard, very hard
>When drawing from my own imagination, it tends to be even worse, looks like a proper abomination, i won't lie and I'll add this, I experience problems with creativity at the moment
And that's all that I've noticed so far, or what I can remember from the moment.
Now I wish to become an artist and be remarkable at this, I don't know if I want to go for total realism or animation (which might be more likely) but the basics are the basics and here I am.
So please, what should I know? And if its not to bother but another thing that I could draw to get a broader idea of where to improve/a diagnosis of how bad things are right now

How do I go from this to drawing qt goblin waifus?

Can somebody tell me what i'm doing wrong?

I haven't been motivated to draw in about a week now. I know if I force it I won't produce anything worthwhile. How do I escape this slump?

Here's your reference for today, /beg/.

>>3891509
>that dude with the blank page

I felt that

>>3891510
>blank
Anon...

>>3891488
just do it

>>3891509
Daim.. When i had a classes there were only crack heads whores and old people

>>3891523
you get what you pay for. those guys were prob volunteers (perverts)

>>3891246
Why are you making his waist and shoulders and head wider than the photos in every drawing?

>>3891069
Start with the side view. Learn proportions. How much space goes between the wheels for example, what angle should the windshield go at, how tall should a car be relative to its length.

Once you get that down, you can move on to 3/4 stuff which is a lot more complicated. This picture is an example of my side view. Compare that to my 3/4 and you see how much harder it is.

>>3891524
I didn't pay it was on my university

Blending layers is so much fun, this could work as a cover for something. But the actual skin.. I can't make it look like a solid drawing like Sakimichan does. I'll keep polishing it a few more hours but I think this looks cool, maybe I can put some kind of armor covering him.

>>3891509
heh porn cover looks good but as soon as you start it was mediocre as fuck

>>3891538
yeah thats what i meant. your university were jews

>>3891509
Honestly, I wouldn't be physically able to take this class holy shit, zero focus.

I've been trying to improve my memory, but it didn't go so well.
It doesn't help that I can't even draw well when I can see the reference.

Ahem
Thanks for nothing guys ;)

>>3891509
i get so sad and horny when i see the female form
what do i do bros?

>>3891585
have sex

Thank you guys for the responses to my post here >>3890627 I've been sick the past day and I half so I didn't really get around to responding.
>>3890642
Thank you for this response. I'm going to screencap it and analyze more of it later. I really need to focus on differentiating the sections of the torso into 3 parts, same goes for arms.
>>3890690
I just hate how I draw because I used to draw crappy little cartoon characters when I was in Middle School and I am worried that I have entrenched that habit so heavily that I am just stretching that shitty concept around the drawings that I do now. I understand that "motivation" isn't really something to be concerned about and that just putting in work is enough. My lack of motivation comes more from me being confused and not knowing what to do at this point besides "just draw", because apparently the books I read didn't help, as others can't see that. I believe I understood what I read and what I did read I drew alongside it to try and internalize it. I basically just read them because I was told to do so, unsure if they would actually help me. I draw every single day for at least an hour and have a folder that contains everything I've ever drawn.

Here is some really quick stuff that I am not really proud of. This is a repost since I posted in the wrong thread. This shit is so confusing.

>>3891061
aaaaaaaa

How did I do? I call it quits now. No matter what I do it still looks like a 2D painting instead of a 3D model, but hey that too can be rated.

>>3891509
asians are my weakness

Okay guys. Rip my sketch apart. Help me get better.

How did I do?No matter what I do it still looks like a 2D painting instead of a 3D model, but hey that too can be rated.

>>3891639
you are thinking in symbols

>>3891472
Ok ok, I get it.
Huge fucking boring post and shitty drawing.
Ill post something worthwhile, as much worth something i make can have and try again tomorrow, just want some pointers on what to do.

>>3891639
Your knowledge about facial features and neck anatomy is absent. Puting symbols on loomis head is just not enough to make good looking head/face.
There is too much wrong stuff here so i'm not gonna go in detail cuz its pointless for you.

You should study head planes and forms of nose, mouth and eyes. Use simple forms and recreate them at various angles.
Do it with neck too, and then study anatomy of it. Once it done go and draw some heads from life or photos. My sketch isn't perfect cuz im beginner as well, but you shuld see the differences. Keep in mind that is stylized so its not great example of what i talking about.

>>3891595
get hamptons figure drawing and learn constructing bodies the way he does, the book also has basic anatomy which will help you

>>3891670
Thanks for the effort you put into the reply man.

Studying the planes of the face is something I've been putting off for a few reasons. Finally going to have to bite the bullet I guess.

Are Sycra and Sinix worth a go if I take shown info in better than reading?

>>3891677
Gl anon, also what you can do when studying is to avoid overlapping lines aka chicken scratching.
Try to make longer more dynamic lines, if it does not look good just press ctrl z and repeat until it will look good. You gonna spend more time on your sketches but its gonna be very benefitial cuz you will start to developing muscle memory wich is very important in doing line work.

>>3891685
None of their stuff is created equa ome series are better than others. Sycra's Foundation of Light and Shadow series is definitely worth a watch and a rewatch as well as his theory vids on composition and stuff, he explains the theory pretty simple and easy to understand way. His How to draw anime and people vids are a bit less good IMHO.

>>3891685
I watched them few years ago and i got some useful stuff from their videos.
Remember that they are not magnus opum of drawing, they are just slightly better than jazza. New masters academy or even proko is much more efficient if you want to improve.

>>3891595
Right now, I think you should do more of the stuff you did in the bottom right hand corner with the primary forms. Don't leave your figures with missing limbs.

>>3891639
Challenge: Draw a line from the top of the hair to the bottom of the chin, straight down the middle of the face, following the surface contour of the face.

>>3891642
You are the necromancer lolita Anon right?

I think you are doing alright for your level. The part where it doesn't look 3D is because the hair doesn't have enough shading on it. From the body I can gather that a rimlight is coming from bottom and some less powerful from the front. The hair is a very reflective surface when clean or wet meaning it will have a wide range from dark to bright. On your picture it is way too bright and could use more dark spots but it is hard to tell its shape because of the messy floaty nature it has on your picture.

Another thing that stick out for me is the white eyes it is important to note that the eyes are never fully pure white in real life, they can change from yellowish to red from person to person and how their health is. They white parts of the eye can also be darker while in shadow. Using this idea you can put the eyes closer to űthe rest of the face and you can even put white hightlight spots on it (yes just like in anime) to give them that glassy feel.

Unless you were going for a "Glowing eyes" effect. If yo uwere then you can achieve that by adding on some light airbrushy fog around them and make them pop out by making them pure white/bright colored.

I provided examples what do you think?

>>3891711
Yes! You figured out who I was even though I didn't draw on traditional this time around. I was going for those glowy red eyes you did, you really are capable of fixing everything... Too bright and little contrast on the hair, got it.
Thanks for this anon, I deleted my post because I wasn't feeling like my idea came to life but you finished it.

And here I was removing the armor instead of pushing through.

NEW THREAD APPEARS!

>>3891720

I hope >>3888503 is okay with using his image.

>>3891722
It's cool brah every picture can teach us something new, glad I helped.

Here is another example that might be helpful (not my pic)

>>3891734
forgot pic

>>3891526
I don't know, not sure how to fix it
I'm finding the midpoint both horizontally and vertically but still can't seem to figure it out, it just always happens
any idea why?

>>3891751
What do you mean, how to fix it? I just told you it's too wide. Draw it narrower. Do you honestly look at those two pictures side by side and not see that glaring difference in proportion? I'm not asking you to be mean, I'm asking you to see if the problem is with your perception of the reference or with your application to the paper. If it's digital yea you can easily edit that to mitigate it but on paper, if you want to make a good drawing by hair, you have to pick up an eraser or a new piece of paper and do it again paying more attention not to repeat that mistake.

I was coping things in a tick and dragon ball book

>>3892194
hey fuck you man, you make it sound as if it's a piece of piss when it isn't, you often don't spot a mistake until you compare it to the original
when I flick through both pictures and overlap it's not even that bad, it's just difficult to get an exact replica of the subject

I'll definitely 'draw it narrower' next time though, fantastic advice for when I draw any more 'its'

>>3892201
you're ngmi with that attitude. youre over protective of a not that good sketch and you cant handle criticism.

>>3892300
constructive criticism is fine, telling me 'it's too wide' doesn't help me at all, especially when I've already acknowledged that

>>3890788
update: i fixed it up in the digital render. i think im dependent on the computer now... i suck without it.

>>3892610
could you draw a jet plane? I like your stuff and I'm learning from it.

What fundamentals should I learn in order?