/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3884811
lmfao these fucking OP images

>>3884820

>>3884820

>>3884827

I hope this is kosher to ask..

Where do people download PS? Even if it's a hassle to get into that site. I have a history of my computer contracting viruses from trying to download this program to the point I've gotten scared and just started using GIMP, which hasn't been good for me.

>>3884864
If you don't find what you're looking for try https://krita.org/en/

Designing "Dangerous Bottles" any crits before I start the third one ?

>>3884864
just use a piratebay proxy and anything by a vip/trusted is safe (others might be safe too but there is no catch all rule)

Is loomis a meme?

>>3884827
what is that?

>>3884896
>I suck at this thing I don't yet know how to do
>therefor it must be an elaborate joke everyone is in on but me

>>3884902
Zip tied pigs tongue

>>3884903
Dear god, don't tell me I have to put in the work and that there isn't a secret club answer!

>>3884908

>>3884896
The jaws are way too large in some of these mugshots. Just keep grinding Loomis, you'll get there..

>>3884895
I dont think that'd keep me safe from malware packaged with it tho

>>3884912
Is it an issue with the side plane? Cause I still am having troubles placing the side ellipses.

>>3884915
Most popular torrents don't have malware unless they are fake seeded. Either way you can just run a malware scan.

>>3884918
Why would people buy expensive software, crack it, and then distribute it to people who're cheap asses? What is the catch? Are we supposed to believe it just some person with the skills and spare money, that does it out of boredom/generosity?

>>3884896
jesus

>>3884931
Many cracking groups crack software just for the challenge. This is pretty much the foundation of video game piracy groups. Expensive software like photoshop people like to crack basically as a 'fuck you' to adobe and also to help people out. In fact to crack software only to have it not downloaded because people found out you loaded it with malware would be a total waste of time.

>>3884896
I think you should keep it straight, just plain old boring 3/4 view.

Do I really need to learn to draw the figure from life before i learn to draw from imagination?

>>3884941
You're right. I'll try doing some basic ones step by step.

>>3884888
The art is nice but writing in a more scientific manner would fit better with the subject matter

>>3884942
We can't make you.

>>3884942
actually no

>>3884942

>>3884896
I think you should back up a bit and practice more fundamentals, loomis is actually a bit more advanced than most think. Start with keys to drawing, drawing from the right side of the brain (although both have an,issue with pointless word diarrhea) or drawabox which is much more straight forward.

>>3884942
Yes.

Learning construction and perspective is actually easy. After that you spend your whole life memorizing proportions.

>>3884896
Loomis is not a meme, but you sure are, anon.

>>3884961
Well even if it sucks ass I'm glad you got something out of it.

how to draw a road going down hill? i'm trying to draw a road from the top of a hill looking down, with like trees on both sides for a mysterious spooky effect, but i cant seem to make it look the road is going down hill. any advice? thanks

>>3884964
loomis

>>3884964
post werk

>>3884964
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n199

>>3884964
Loomis

>>3884964
trees go lower than the trees previous

>>3884971
i did this in paint, it's all i have available.

>>3884975
thanks, this should help some

>>3884983
thanks, i'm not sure how to do that if i want to keep the road visible though

>>3884811

boys,,,

>>3884959
>Currently symbol drawing to me means drawing what you think you see versus what is actually there.
>Fun with a Pencil expects you to go out the door being able to draw facial features, and generally uses symbol drawing warped onto forms.
>The processes all use new drawings so if one follows it step by step you'll end up with a line that is very different than the ones the artist actually used and expects you to use. It's even worse in Loomis because he erases lines, meaning you can't even start in the middle and match the previous steps to it.
>Figure Drawing for All it's worth also uses symbol drawing
>Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain is mainly for copying rather than freehanding.
>Keys to Drawing is built upon symbol drawing. I don't know how you freehand without symbol drawing (even if you construct it in forms you're still drawing what you think something is constructed like)
Where the hell do I start?

>>3885008
drawing the natural way

>>3884811
got banned from tumblr so im posting my recent work here

>>3885030
powerful and brave

I'm not good at colors so I'm trying to do more colors than black and white linework

this is my first time finishing something without black outlines

>>3885030
cringy attempt at comedy anon, never been done before desu

>>3885016
are any of these a close approximation of what they are talking about when they mean "draw what the gesture is doing?"

>>3885036
thank you

>>3885045
its not a comedy artwork. its beautiful artwork

>>3885040
study anatomy and check out some real paintings and do a copy of them

>>3885051
didnt see that response coming haha!

>>3885008
Avoid tilting your heads. You already have your hands more than full to have to deal with head tilts as well.

>>3885047
Gesture this.

>>3885047
you are thinking too much about how to do it, not about just drawing it, other words draw the gester to get the idea of it.

when drawing these are many way to draw try diffrent way for each image. gester it ,or block it out or just use lines, for cartoons use base geometric shapes, then change them in to organic it shape. sorry my enlisgh is not good

>>3885008
Pardon the shitty ass drawings but can you understand / visualize this?

>>3885008
you need to start with some basic shapes, and lines. the problems is you are trying to use a break down method without use standing why.

the face is a cube, you are trying to make it with the loomis method,but that my not work with you

>>3885071
Not anon, but what are the 4 ellipses intersecting with the line supposed to suggest/explain?

>>3885077

watch this book are not good to learn as read is not good for some people,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbRMCgtcchw

>>3885079
the concept of minor axis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaZmwHU7vZo

>>3885080
>watch this book are not good to learn as read is not good for some people

>>3885068
Is the kind of gesture drawing Kimon's talking about different from the kind of gesture drawing Villpu talks about?

>>3885086
again my english is not good, some people cant learn with books ok

>>3885092
I don't know but this isn't gesture. Why are you starting with a sketch and then drawing lines from it in reverse?
In this image the gesture is very clear

>>3885092
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gesture

Methods and techniques may vary, but gesture is gesture.

>>3885092

>>3885092
Kimon?

>>3885092
you have read too many books and now have confused yourself with too many methods

>>3885071
Did not know guidelines could double as cross-sections, thanks!
>>3885101
Kimon's Natural Way to Draw (pic related).
>>3885098
That's only one piece of gesture; the line of action.
I don't think I'm drawing lines from a sketch, the whole thing is me trying to find the "gesture" (drawing what X is doing versus what it is. That being said the student examples in the book lean a lot toward the latter, just very scribbly.)
I didn't draw over the image since I was gesturing it, which is supposed to exaggerate the pose(?)

>>3885052
Could you explain what I messed up so I can take extra care?

This isn't really critique, just generic advice

>>3884948
Thanks I'll work on it !
If anyone has more crits on >>3884888 I'm taking it.
And still doing this 100 faces challenge.

I'm looking for ideas to make this mage design thingy more interesting. And also crits.

>>3885111
It's kinda vague to explain but yeah, that's the line of action and it's pretty much what you need to find first. You start with that line of action and then build the rest on top. Other limbs have their own gesture. The thing you are doing is ineffective and won't help you find the gesture, or at least not in that way. I am not good at all with gesture but pic related is pretty much what you should do to "find" the gesture.
I recommend reading Drawn To Life: 20 Golden Years of Disney Master Classes by Walt Stanchfield.

>>3885112
that other eye is a lot bigger, mouth is not aligned with nose. eyebrows are at different height, ear doesnt look like ear, fingers look really lazy and wrong, the elbow is not correct and the hand is too short. neck is not correctly placed and looks too big. she has now eyesockets. lips are brown.

i get it you might wanna do that kind of style, but taking care of these elements will improve you.

>>3885135
"no", not "now"

>>3884888
>>3885124
Dude why are you posting in /beg/

>>3884942
Yeah there are lots of subtleties in the live figure that will make or break your anatomy and you can't pick up from books. This >>3884955 is invalid because Proko is a hack who sight-sizes shit and can't really use construction but pretends he's using construction, so when he drew the kangaroo he spread this idea that drawing from life is useless. It's useless if you draw sight-size like a Bargue plate. If you draw from life by using construction you will learn to draw from imagination.

>>3885140
How do you measure (i:e not sight-size) proportions when you're doing poses at different angles?

I've tried making gridlines in Blender and using those as and no attempts have yielded successful, even when doing spheres.

>>3885135
Thank you, I appreciate the more detailed input.

First time I try to do this, kek. It's fun

>>3885150
>How do you measure (i:e not sight-size) proportions when you're doing poses at different angles?
You just memorize the proportions, e.g. you know that the elbows roughly reach the ribcage, the height of a person is 7/8 heads, etc. You can draw an ellipse to guessimate the rotation of an arm, there are a few things you can do but it's mostly visual memory especially with heavy foreshortening where the limbs are hard to measure.

>>3885101
>>3885111
Guess some weirdos call Nicolaides "Kimon" which is his first name.

>>3884918
>>3884918
and most of the time those scans return positive results and all the comments say "oh it's a false positive, don't worry man it's legit".

I just wondered if there's a more clean community or place besides TPB

>>3884960
>>3885140

Alright, I ask because I'm starting the Head chapter in Figure Drawing for Artists and its all about drawing what you see (relying heavily on gesture to determine the structures of the body).

Guessing once I go through that I should read a book more about building the body through construction huh?

I'm pretty new with Adobe Illustrator and I want to try out a simple style at first. But this just doesn't look right to me.

>>3885151
no problem, its really difficult stuff to do it. its a lot easier for others to spot mistakes. i wish you good luck in your path of improvement, in the end it will pay off. i also didnt mention, but i like her pants

>>3885176
I have no idea about Steve Huston's book. I just read Bridgman and Vilppu. You only need a book on figure drawing and an anatomy atlas. One gives you a method to construct the body, the other gives you a framework with all the bones and muscles, so when you look at a live model and she tilts her hip, you know exactly why her butt looks like that and you can help yourself with the anatomy knowledge you have as you use gesture and construction.

>>3885192
I did recently pick up the Morpho anatomy book and its companions about skeleton and simple shapes. I was wondering when I am ready to start learn anatomy or even HOW to start learning it (figured construction would require some time learning perspective which i have barely touched upon yet). I planned on going through the Huston book first then try anatomy or Michael Hampton's book next.

I just want to draw fanart and characters...

>>3885216
It feels like you are wasting way too much time reading instructional material over and over. Just pick up a book you clearly understand and stick with it, put everything else aside. It doesn't make any difference if you learn Bridgman or Loomis or Hampton or what have you, and even if you might pick up a trick or two from another book, it's not worth reading a ton of additional material. Study that one book you understand. The method for construction is more or less the same and concepts like gesture are simple enough. You should learn anatomy right away, along with the construction book. This is not stuff that you read back to back and then you're done, you're supposed to continuously reference this stuff. If you learn the general large groups of bones and muscles (the 3 big muscles of the leg, how the deltoid inserts in the arm, the general shape of the ribcage and hips, etc.) you will already make progress and it's not a lot of stuff to memorize. And you should take it easy, set the atlas next to you, draw a thing, check the muscles, draw it again.

Thoughts?

finished page of boys i posted earlier. thoughts?

i feel like her eyes make her look retarded? just trying to make an expressive face here. ill fix the values/colors later.

can you get good at art without studying books? i have add, but can draw my own stuff for hours, yet i litertally cannot handle studying from a book for like 5 mins

>>3885246
Hmm I THINK I get ya. I've been learning to spot and draw the primary gestures (which are described as the corners where the planes change) and secondary gestures (which are ultimately up to what i want to use but must still follow the topography).

Since i need to spot where the planes change in the face, now would be a good time to study the anatomy of the face and skull?

>>3885321
wtf

Any advice, proportions or shading related would be greatly appreciated

>>3885308
I came across some advice from a youtube video and he said something along the lines of "You will not be able to draw from watching videos or reading books about how to draw, you will learn by actually drawing and practising".
This logic is true and I know that it's true because it's exactly what I was doing, going onto CGpeers downloading a bunch of video courses, wasted my time because what I should of did was practice drawing by actually putting something down on digital paper.

I took some pointers from all the stuff that I have looked at and will wok with that until I am decently happy with what I want to draw because you are not going to build a skill from reading a bunch of books or watching videos.
If you are unsure about something, you can go through some stuff to see what way other people do it and try some things that they say.

TLDR
Draw what you are interested in drawing using bits and pieces from various things that you have looked at to reach your goal.

>>3885140
>why are you posting in /beg/
Because I'm a total begginer at design. The bottles are literally the first things I ever "designed" and, well, I'm just looking for crits on my faces and my lines are still relatively weak.
I'm definitely /beg/ tho, I'm doing fundamentals and painting these days next to everything else and not only my digital painting is very low level, but I can't even draw a cylinder in perspective.

>>3885321
oh man, you are overcomplicating this so much
just learn to draw the blooks in fun with a pencil
I have no idea where you learned this shit but you just have to learn the anatomy of the face and basic perspective

>>3885351
blooks don't help when loomis changes the formula when you aren't looking

>>3885357
The formula is always the same, you make a ball and cross and attach volumes to it. It's extremely simple and that's what you should start with.

>>3884941
So I tried doing some simpler ones, but they still don't feel right so I guess I'll take that other anon's advice and try working on some fundies.

>>3885377
you gotta be kidding me, just draw a fucking ball put 2 axis and thats literally all

>>3885379
pls no bully

>>3885288
draw faces, cute ones.

Does anyone know of any good tutorials for colouring/painting silver objects?

>>3885278
learn to legs and knees also the back or her skull is too large lol and perspective is off

Just got my first graphic tablet (screenless) and I suck at drawing with it. Any advice? I'm thinking of doing draw-a-box and watch the stuff at Ctrl+Paint, does that sound good? Or is there anything else specifically meant to help you transition to digital drawing? How long did it take you to get used to it?

This is the stuff I've done so far.

thoughts?

>>3885377
>>3884896
Stop skipping steps dummy. Draw the whole ellipse every time. You don't get to skip the basic construction when you clearly don't know what the fuck you're doing.

>>3884811
AHH I NEED MORE STUDIES BUT I CANT GO OUTSIDE BUT I NEED TO GO OUTSIDE TO BE ABLE TO STUDY
I HATE LOOKING AT PICTURES ALL THE TIME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Redline please.

i feel like i've stagnated over the last 3 months.. how do you guys find time to draw with school/life?

Please scold me for not doing my grinds

>>3885499
bad anon

Any critique guys ? especially for the shading and value

>>3885278
>>3885494
You can leave beg
>>3885301
youve been drawing the same thing for years, its probably better you drop art

>>3885499
GRIND MORE FAGGOT. What are you DOING. WE HAVE TO MAKE IT

>>3885497

my lineart is atrocious, how do I fix it?

decrease the line weight within the character. it's fighting against the silhouette

>>3885518
if this isnt refered, leave beg.

>>3885527
where else is there to go? and no its not refered

>>3885515
tried to incorporate. the ear's a fucking lost cause and i really need to study

>>3885513
suck my ass shitlord

>>3885531
?

>>3885526
not to sound dumb but in which places exactly?

>>3885534
ill draw the same thing for years if i fucking feel like it

>>3885535
not original anon but there are some places in the figure that basically has the same line weight as lines on the outside of the figure eg, the lines on the shirt and the inner parts of the wing. maybe that helps?

>>3885301
i made some tweaks to this, now is she looking less uncanny?

Lads, do you prefer to push or pull when you make a line?

>>3885030
shave your moustache

Does anyone have a keys to drawing pdf?

check the sticky

>>3884942
You don't have to, but it helps. It's also a lot of fun.

Would you try to draw airplanes, without looking at some photos or actual airplanes at some point?

There is nothing inherently "better" than drawing purely from imagination, there's nothing wrong with reference or live models, it's all working towards developing your skills and work.

It would be great to have a photographic memory of every human figure you've ever seen for a brain reference file, but most people's brains don't work that way.

>>3885551
symbol almond eyes

>>3885288
saved owo

>>3885047
Just when you think you've seen it all here, you see someone use 8-bit animation for gesture drawing.

Why do I come here?

Today everything looked like scribbles, both imagination and real life. I think I'll take a week to rest and play vidya, burning out is not a meme.

>>3885098
That's not the gesture, that's the line of tension and flow.

Gesture is the whole figure, doing something. That's what you're capturing in a drawing.

>>3885499
ara ara~ pitiful anon hasn't done whats best for him... you should be punished, bad doggy~!

>>3885511
90% of it is w h i t e of the paper so therre isnt much to critique m8

>>3885301
Fix the underlying drawing first. You're gesture drawing. You're making cartoon shapes in places where the parts of the face is, not what's actually there.

>>3885308
Of course you can, but it's a LOT easier with a teacher. The only books I was assigned getting an art degree were art history books, and an anatomy book that was only intended for reference.

Books attempt to replace the experience of a teacher walking you through the challenges and issues.

>>3885400
There are TONS of tutorials for rendering metal on DeviantArt.

>>3885419
Trace some of your traditional work or some pictures you like. You will get better at using your tablet. Worked for me. But don't post those on the internet if they are traces of someone else's work.

>>3885511
Finish the shading and establishing the values. This is an unfinished drawing.

1. Draw bigger.
2. You need a lot more work on anatomy. Elbows don't work like that, or shoulders. The feet and hands are...you need a lot of study there.
3. There's no way to tell what the lighting is, because it's different across the body, and unfinished.

It's not a complete waste of time, keep going. Nothing wrong with being a beginner, but you should focus on contour and accurate drawing of the form, before worrying about shading - and shading can be studied at the same time, by practicing with simple shapes like cubes, sphere, and cylinders.

One common mistake that's made here, is focusing only on the full figure. There's nothing wrong with doing just the feet, as the study, or doing a series of hands, to study them. Then put all the pieces together in full body poses.

>>3885499

>>3885556
Pulling, but I practicing pushing too.

>>3885174
cracks by nature are going to return false positives

>>3885494
How do you redline something from adventure time where every character is made of noodles?

>>3885538
stop posting at least. You're ruining the thread by showing others its even possible to lack talent to your extent.

I redlined you literally 1.5 years ago and nothing has changed since then.

>>3885599
>>3885606
Thanks alot guys, I'll keep that in mind.

>>3885633
>You're ruining the thread by showing others its even possible to lack talent to your extent.
yeah well i showed others its possible to ruin your moms pussy with my dick bitch
also
>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

>>3885126
Still looking for crits for my thing. I'm having a hard time making armors and clothes look like they have depth; they always look kinfa flat.

>>3885674
https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/think-with-forms-not-lines-take-your-drawing-to-the-next-level--cms-24486

>>3885622
so this is what making it looks like...

>>3885124
If something about the designs seems off/uncomprehensible please say it. Also, I'm completely new at design so I'm open to any crits. [I'll change the font after drawing 7 more smaller bottles.]

How do i get better at controlling my lines? Do i turn the stabilizer off and power through it? Is it even possible on a small tablet, i can only draw from my wrist and a bit from my elbow on it.

>>3885800
Zoom in - so you have to use the whole tablet to place a stroke.. At least when you want to have a really great line.

>>3885866
What was the goal of this?

>>3885872
It is called "a study" anon, you may have heart of it

>>3885874
You're confusing studying with mindless copying anon.

>>3885882
what is the difference then?

>>3885872
im gay and just want to mindlessly copy pictures of guys I want to suck. Dont mind my fuckups especially in the hip area i dont really need to know anatomy to draw beautiful guys

>>3885872
drawing frens.

>>3885885
What are you studying?
Are you just recreating a piece, or are you trying to improve something?

What's the focus... the pose? The basic anatomy? The muscle? The shading?

It's obvious you didn't have that in mind

>>3885927
>It's obvious you didn't have that in mind
how do you know this? can you read his mind?

Any tutorials/tips on improving handwriting? Both on paper and digital.
Pic unrelated.

>>3885931
well, he fucked up especially the waist area big time.

>>3885931
>how do you know this? can you read his mind?
Lack of mind reading separates beg from non begs.

Thinking of picking up a small drawing tablet so i can trace and learn anatomy and construction (not to use for final drawing since i want to stick to traditional a little longer). Good idea and if so whats a good simple tablet to get for this?

>>3885992
>so i can trace and learn anatomy and construction
You just can't! Do these things traditionally?
Save your money.

>>3886000
So print out pics and use tracing paper then i assume? Sounds more costly in the long run.

>>3885931
it's pretty obvious there's no focus, it looks like he didn't even start with a skeleton or base

I can't read minds, but you can tell when people are focusing on an aspect of a picture

What aspect of the figure is this drawing focused on?

>>3886004
don't trace with traditional, just draw
also
screenless tablet =/= traditional

I been posting some blue sketchs few days ago, im re-learning how to face

>>3886051
learning with what?

>>3886051
Pictures, Loomis again, youtube, etc etc. Some anons said that my foundation was bad, so im back to 0 again

>>3886057
yeah, those look like symbol drawing

>>3886068
Yep, hope getting good

>>3885188
also new to adobe illustrator, can you PLEASE explain to me how you colored those things like that?

>>3885753
These are solid, interesting ideas. I would revise the writing as the other anon said.

>>3885518
how did you get your lineart like that? im new to illustrator and i gotta know

>on week 2 of dynamic sketching 1
>watching Peter show a dissection of a pumpkin
>auto piloting OSRS while watching lecture
>heard a weird sound
>Peter excuses himself
>rewind
>it's his fucking stomach growling
kek

>>3884896
Hey brother you need to relax. Draw with you arm and not your wrist. Don't press so hard and let someone bad drawings flow. Your lines look so tense and forced. You can't get better if you don't have fun.

>Have to draw 100 Blooks until you're allowed to draw real faces
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'M SICK OF THE BLOOKS BUT I KEEP DRAWING THEM

>>3886135
that was pretty funny

>>3884896
dude i think you posted your loomis heads about a week back, and like the main criticism was that the face was too flat
i think there's improvement

>>3886178
that's a really nice ass

How is this? Is it good?
Also should i draw with pencil like this and then use fineliner? Thats what i do with most things i draw but it doesnt look good when i use the eraser so idk what to do...
Also, its supposed to be the joker from the new movie but when i showed it to my friend he told me it doesnt look like him at all, did i fuck up?

>>3886237
Ahh, why did it turn sideways? Sorry

kek all the krabs in this thread

>>3886237
>>3881832

>>3885004
My dream is come

I’m slowly getting better at drawing hands. I did this earlier using my own hand as a reference, most likely I’ll hate the fuck out of it here in a week but for now I’ll let you guys hate it.

>>3885162
Fucking awesome post

>>3884811
Am I gonna make it?

>>3886487
(You)

^
Is this a good method of figuring out how proportions change in 3D?

>>3886533
>>3886535
why are so fucking stupid

>>3885975

I didn't want to show his love handles, so I tried to get rid of the, the result might've been even worse

>>3886013
True, I didn't do any skeleton.

>>3884811
WHY DRAWING CLOTHES WITH GESTURE IS SO FUCKING HARD.

Just fucking end me, my day has been hell trying to do this.

why is gesture so hard
i've spent 5 minutes today and i'm already so irritated

>>3886591
allow yourself to commit mistakes
you're just a beginner

no bully pls tips thank you

>>3886597
low effort

>>3886603
is this a new meme?

Can't buy a sketch book but can access printer paper

So my question is; printer paper or lined paper for pencil sketching

>>3886603
but i tried srsly hard

>>3886585
I'm talking about this, there is the place where ribcage ends, after that it doesnt immediately continue, but there is an area, about the size of a fist, and then it continues, you dont show that area, instead you go straight down

>>3886611
never lined

>>3886615
am probably retarded, but I don't know what you are talking about.

Is there no other way to make static and stiff poses to be dynamic without exaggeration during gesture sessions?

>>3886633
post examples anon

>>3886617
between ribcage and pelvis there is an empty area

>>3886129
Do you mean the gradient on some of the objects or the coloring of complex shapes? There are specific tools for both of these.

>>3886642
what was I suppost to draw? I can't see any wrongdoing.

>>3886642
anon... there are muscles there too you know

>>3886638
any standing, static pose I struggle with the line of action and this feeling forces me to draw contours, at least the shoulder ones.

>>3886650
check the angles, how different they are
>>3886656
yes there are, but its still true and can be shown in your picture as well

redline pls?

>>3886664
Nobody ever stands up truly straight, your pic is a good example of that. Not sure if you noticed but she's imbalanced enough to tell from that pic

>>3886726
My eye is not trained enough for what you said. For me she's just standing still with her foot a little closer to us

>>3885351
Alright anon, gonna concentrate on learning the skull finally and see where that gets me.

>>3886789
Watch the older Vilppu videos if you can find them somewhere, he explains the skull in the best possible way. The drawings in this post are a little weird, I don't know how you're constructing the skulls.

>>3885588
Elaborate please. How's that a symbol?

>>3886715
awww what cute karkat

well done anon <3

what are some easy animals to draw?

I had easier time drawing bugs and insects but these fucking wolves, lions an their fucking furs are really fucking my construction.

Just shorthaired cats and dogs?

>everyone tells me not to measure lines and angles or I wont progress.
>but then when I try to eyeball I end up constantly fucking shit up and only reinforce my shitty sense length and tilt

What the fuck should I do?

How do you get a grain effect using charcoal?

Well i tried but i got the basic construction wrong, also my dark values arent as dark

I feel like the cheekbones are lacking volume. Though I really like the depth on his eye.
>SNAAAKKEE EATTTERRRR

>>3886912
it's mostly the right eye
it kinda looks you gave up there considering the eyepatch is completely off shape and missing second strap

shame since fixing it + wider lips + non-voldemort nostrils and you have really good looking piece that is no easy to make

>>3886881
Rough paper

>>3886873
Learn the bones and muscles of the animals

>>3886927
it's alright it's an exercise, but yeah can't believe i missed the second strap i must be blind, i feel like i made some mistakes because i zoomed in too soon and didn't lay all my block-ins correctly, looking bacj at the sketch the lips are bigger and the nose is going down but i fucked up somewhere along the way

First exercise in keys to drawing, what do you guys think of this book? Is it good to beginners?

>>3886957
anyone who reads it from cover to cover is gmi

>drawing from nude reference
>keep getting an erection
this is so distracting...

>>3886647
which tools are they? (forgive me, im a brainlet)

fuck I still can't draw front view right

>>3887086
Jaw line and ear is kind weird
eyes look weird too
t. beg

>>3885866
Where is his pelvis?

1. Draw the package. It doesn't make you gay.
2. Learn how to draw continuous lines, not short segments.
3. Pay more attention to the contour.
4. Measure. The right thigh is too short.
5. Pay attention to what's actually there - the hand on the left is a decent attempt, the right, not so much.

Overlay this over the photo. You'll see where you didn't capture the form right.

It's a step in the right direction. Work on refining and capturing the form more accurately. Stop shading, or commit to shading for real, you're just distracting from the form, and making good line choices.

Part of learning to draw is learning that you don't have to represent lighting through line - and you can use a refined line with varying weight that's continuous to indicate volume. You're translating reality into line, and it takes practice - which you're doing, and it's just a matter of experimenting to figure out what to indicate, and what not to.

Try it like this (not mine) - try to get the contours. He didn't use line to indicate all of the contours, like on the chest, he focused on getting the form accurate. Things like the abs and chest can be translated to line, but not like you're doing - it takes more finesse and implied line, than what you're doing - and that's just something that comes with experience.

When you get better at that, then move into shading.

>>3886013
>he didn't even start with a skeleton
Drawing a skeleton when you have a literal body to work from is a pointless exercise. Take any figure drawing course, they are NOT drawing the figure starting with a skeleton.

>>3887086
jesus christ, literally loomis

>>3886051
Are you trying to cartoon, or do realistic faces?

>>3886590
Gesture isn't about drawing clothes. What are you trying to accomplish?

>>3886611
Printer, always. Lined paper is not art paper.

>>3887114
Because they understand human form already, this person clearly doesn't

>>3886664
There are no lines of action in a static pose. There's literally no action. Capture the correct position of the hips and shoulders and posture, and if weight is on one foot, indicate that.

This is why we take figure drawing classes.

>>3886874
Don't eyeball, that's not measuring. You're doing the opposite of what people are advising, and you're surprised you're failing? Is this an attitude problem, or do you not understand what measuring is?

>>3887067
You'll get over it, or you won't. Plenty of dudes drop out of figure drawing and sculpture classes because they can't control themselves. I go into "art mode", where it's not sexual, it's a form.

And, it goes both ways, classes when the male model got an erection and had to leave to "cool off" happens. You should have seen the look of fear and horror on some of the dudes in class - funny, every time.

>>3887122
Beginning students in figure drawing classes don't understand the form yet. It just doesn't happen - and more importantly, doesn't need to happen.

I've been trying to complete more drawings recently. I am not sure if you guys can help me with this, but is there any advice you can give me from this drawing?

>>3887127
You start with gesture drawing, which is a base(skeleton), and you understand proportion before you can get good

>>3887131
Gesture is NOT the skeleton. Stop neckbearding. You're wrong.

What do you do when the shit-idiot Imgur community downvotes all your work even though it's good?

>>3887147
>imgur community

WIP.

>don't have any previous art studies
>planning on painting most of them-when I learn how to-
>advice me what I could improve, I know of my light strokes I'm genuinely sorry if you can't see shit

>>3886754
Go to YouTube and look up chiropractor videos. The cracking and popping isn't important but the first bit where the chiro stands up the person and breaks down everything wrong with their body. It will help open your eyes to the various ways the body contorts itself unconsciously, and this should help your understanding of posing

>>3887158

>>3887158

>>3885874
And what did you learn from it?

>>3887157

And may God help anyone who dared to touch his queen.
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Haven't had time to draw it but I think this is a pretty thumbnail. Also my real life drawings suck big time but I might not be focusing.

I'm really trying to get out from beg, but I think my place is still here because my gesture is complete utter crap. Rate pls.

>>3887232
Doesn't look like a /beg/ drawing desu

t. /beg/ artist

>>3884896
Despite how shitty they look, you're able to utilize Loomis technique to draw more fundamentally correct heads than before. It worked.
>draw more
>study head anatomy
>observer and copy references
What you're missing is mileage and experience. You're still lacking in basic drawing control with how rough your lines look. You lack spatial awareness in drawing still. You are also still symbol drawing, so your basic copying skills are lacking. Just draw more. Copy your favorite artists too. It might boost your confidence to copy an already finished drawing instead of drawing without a ref.

>>3885040
is that a pinky or a thumb? come on, anon.

>>3887232
>>3887234
It IS one but doesn't LOOK like one. You friend have maxed your stylization/appeal points. It's certainly something to be proud of. Now, without the magnificent rendering the drawing would fall a few places and you could more easily notice the flat anatomy.

But I wonder if better anatomy is even crucial for this drawing.

>>3887239
It's not my drawing, but what do you think is wrong with it, can you point out the flaws or do a redline, that way me and the artist can learn from it.

How exactly do you get a good looking noodle arm?

>>3885301
Why do you never take people's advice? What's the point of critique if you never apply it? Still the same basic issues as your past paintings that could've been corrected by now if you listened.

>>3885497
>i feel like i've stagnated over the last 3 months
>how do you guys find time to draw with school/life?
Why are you asking this question? Is drawing not part of your life? If it's not, then you have your answer.

>>3887241
Seconded, I admit, I'm posting this art hoping someone can redline or point how I can improve it. Just like >>3887239 said, most of my stuff is heavily stylized to compensate for my lack of experience at gesture and basic anatomy.
Still, I'm glad that someone said the style is ok.

>>3885866
>line dependency
No sense of form yet so your figure feels hollow of structure. Learn about form and value and how to apply it to a figure for the next step. Learn construction too. Both will improve your lines.

>>3887261
Oh, yeah I see you made the left wrist on the picture a bit too thick, but I think it would be dA commisionable, how long did this artwork take you to make?

Those dA don't seem to care about a lot of nitty gritty, if your art is more than decent looking it should certainly be commissionable.

Do you know if there are any (anime)drawthreads alive right now, I think they all died while I was sleeping.

>>3887241
Im a beg so take the redline with a grain of salt, but the abs aren't supposed to be that perfectly aligned together and flat, they kinda look like markings on her.
Also if she's tilted to a side, I think they should be standing out like this. And the torso shouldn't be that boxy and straight in general, not just for that pose - look at the left side too I changed it into forms kinda connecting with each other to separate the upper, middle and lower torso. The ribcage makes the upper torso stand out more, then there's the middle (2nd and 3rd packs) and coming out of the 3rd set of abs start coming the hiplines making kinda matching the ribcage protrusion, kinda it varies I think.

But in general the shapes of the torso should stand out more. Of course the right hand had a wrist too thick, the ark gets skinnier as you get closer to the hand, kinda, look pics of real arms. And as a pet peeve of mine, the neck being a straight line doesn't convince me, it should be a little less stiff like a curve or a parallel line.

>>3887286
You replied to the wrong guy, I'm not the artist, well, I kinda asked a redline anyway.

Do you think his art would sell on dA though?

>>3887291
AH yes, I forgot to say since I thought it was obvious. That would definitely sell on dA, he can open up an account at that level and start trying to get customers. Someone has to want their OC drawn like that, or just buy whatever he puts out there.

>>3887294
>Someone has to want their OC drawn like that, or just buy whatever he puts out there.
How can you already put up the art and still sell it?
What are they paying for in that case?

>>3887294
How much do you think he can charge?
80USD?

t. >>3887326

>>3887286
Made a quick fix based on what you said, far from perfect, but I can definitely see how it improved, thanks. I'll finish it properly tomorrow. I think it's decent enough to print and pin as a poster in my room, I guess.
I don't think I'm ready for commissions in any way, but thanks.

>>3887326
>>3887333
I don't know about charging, but I was referring to people asking for more drawings about a certain character though I've only seen it few times.

>>3887326
>>3887333
I don't know about charging, but I was referring to people asking for more drawings about a certain character though I've only seen it few times.
>>3887361
Very quick and nice fix, well done

>>3887376
> I've only seen it few times.
What do you mean you've only seen it a few times? Commissions for money?

>>3887380
No, comissions of already existing characters. For example someone might want you to redraw that Oni in a different setting but I might be wrong. Just know that it's good but never stop practicing and coming to these threads to know more about basic drawing.

>>3887384
Commissions of already existing characters, does that really not happen that often?
I'm studying anime art solely for commissions. it would be kind of a bummer if I have to use my newly honed skills for drawing these garbage OCs.

> For example someone might want you to redraw that Oni in a different setting but I might be wrong.
> Oni
What's an Oni?

mmmmm......... imma work on my loomis heads

>>3887396
It's the typical japanese ogre/demon, usually wielding a huge spiked club. I'm still crap of drawing, so currently I'm trying to improve by drawing her in different poses and improving her design.

>>3887407
What does that have to do with selling shit on dA?

>>3887124
No anon, you misunderstood my post. People tell me to not measure, so I eyeball.

>>3887412
I think there should be a balance between balancing and eyeballing

how is this black girl looking so far. i think maybe i should lighten her up a tad and change the lighting so its coming from the front?

>>3887265
Something like this?

>>3887439
>>3885678

>>3887417
Black skin tones are not based in desaturated brown, they are based in deep reds.

>>3887417
She looks like a victim of spontaneous human combustion.

>>3887442
Paiting like that takes like 3x times than current.

How bout this shadowing?

>>3887470
LMAO

>>3887113
Shit, I hadn't seen this post untill now. Thanks for the tips.

>>3887444
shit im sort of in the middle for the darker tones but adding the light values is really tricky without going destaturated
>>3887444
okay ill lighten her so she doesnt look like literal charcoal
>>3887477
you can keep the trip on to make fun of me i know its you nosebro

>>3887492
I am not that other guy or laughing at you, I am laughing at what he said.
Sorry you didn't like it but I can't control the way that you feel about things and even if I could control it-it's not my responsibility.

>>3887518
okay sorry for being a fag

>>3887088
>>3887115

oh damn, I thought I was starting to get it

>>3886552
if it is a good way of figuring it out, this would probably help the guy who did the animation for that gif with not having his teeth slide to the left when the head is turning to face the camera (camera pov)
it's not the lips, you can see the teeth gradually sliding toward the left on that first bit of animation.

>>3887605
along with several other things

>>3886789
here is mine, rather unfinished and not that good, but there is a difference, you should measure more careful and study the shapes more. look the eyesockets for example, are they really that round and smooth?

Did the first one about a month ago, come back trying to be more observant. Will probably do another one in the future.

Requesting redline or any other useful criticism.
I don't see any flaws in this piece right now, so if somebody can point them out that would be extremely useful.

>>3887653
ear and jaw are better in the middle one.

>>3887659
I think I need to define the underside. Square it out a bit.

>>3887439
>>3887476
what is your goal when you are working on these? if it is only to produce what you see on the image plane, go refine your accuracy with bargue plates, however if you are aiming to develop a deeper understanding beyond the image and into volumes you should go grind perspective and subject. the link the other anon provided does indeed go over some underlying ideas (although there are better resources) required for construction, and you may still apply them using lines.

Why do people always recommend photoshop?
I mean realistically speaking, wouldn't you just need a few things outside of canvas settings, custom brushes and color: layers, rulers/shape tools and masking?

I don't really get it since one of the apps I tried infinite painter gave me all that and masking but I've only ever drawn in pencil on paper so I Don't get what's so bad about that

Even Clip Studio seems to just over complicate things instead of "just fucking learn to draw what you want". But I'm literally only practicing with pencil and paper for like a week so I might be missing something

>>3887652
Thats pretty good. I was more overwhelmed by how to learn the skull or anatomy in general but i figured a way to learn i think. Will do some on sketchbooks and post to see what to do next. Thanks!

>>3887116
I was triying to do something like Terry Moore / Instagram Girls style

This is a finished drawing

>>3887652
I kinda lost interest but that was fun thanks.

>>3887837
blog?

nre thread >>3887906

>>3887725
Adobe software is the easiest software in existence to pirate. Literally download off their website and then crack.

>>3885162
Well, technically you can measure it all, just read Robertson, but it is a pain in the ass to do it each time.

>>3887847
No, you? know any good ones?

>>3887837
what a piece

>>3887840
i feel honored <3

>>3887665
What if someone wanted to do both?

>>3887232
Like the other anons have said, you've got a nice style going here. You seem pretty dedicated in your rendering which is no longer /beg/. But other things do stick out like anatomy for one. If you tighten on these things, it will take your work to the next level.

It seems like you're not keen on articulating the muscles very much. For example the arms are very straight and flat, there's no sense of the flowing musculature that's there that people will recognize immediately. So those arms look very beginner as a result and bring the overall level down. The waist and abdominal area is the same. It could be a style choice which is respectable but again just by being aware of those muscles and showing them in how you curve your lines can elevate the drawing some more.

>>3887439
Yeah mannequization is one step. What's really missing is a sense of 3d perspective and form. So take your study there next

>>3887665
The goal is to resemble what's in the picture, so yeah, I'll work on bargue plates (I had no idea of what it was, had to google it, kek)

NEW thread up!

>>3888153

>>3887120
not what some say, don't gesture concept applies to clothes? the flow and types of lines can make a better dress to look less stiff

The faces I draw look depressed and autistic, which is really getting to me because I'm both. Any quick way to power through that?

>>3888289
>Prior to the twentieth century, persons suffering from mental illness were thought to be "alienated," not only from the rest of society but from their own true natures. Those experts who studied mental pathologies were therefore known as alienists.

Fuck the faces dude. No one said you have to draw faces right now.

Just started, havin fun.

>>3885008
long lines stop scratching or thick lines and long erases