/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Who cares, the guy can’t even draw

>>3881137
No rules only tools.

>he can trace over a mannequin
Who cares dude lol

>>3881137
>tracing over a puppet
I think it's alright because sometimes you just can't visualize perfectly or you need a specific angle.
There is no child who learned to walk without clutching to something first.

I used to be HUGE on drawing from imagination only and everyone else was doign this BIG sin. Then Some years back I was reading a coffee table book that so happened to be my favorite artist of all time, Alphonse Mucha. After looking through like 40 pages of his work and killing myself how ill NEVER be this good. I eventually got to the very last page that was a photograph of one of his "models" next to a photo of the finished work. I Then realized I was a retarded and I wasted my life being a crab.

>>3881287
Can you show us the said photo?

>>3881137
>muh crutches
Cope.

>>3881287
i thought it was pretty common knowledge (for artists at least) Mucha used photography. so did Rockwell, Frazetta, even Sargent IIRC in some work, ...

>>3881287
Take note, this is what happens when you take advice from /ic/.

>>3881296
also see http://www.muddycolors.com/2019/03/20-artists-from-photo-to-final/

>>3881137
If tracing a mannequin is considered art, that devalues art as a whole, cause now any idiot off the street can have perfect anatomy and perspective in their drawing.
Is it a legit way to do things?
Maybe if you think the ends justify the means, but the process is what gives art the respect it’s garnered throughout history.

>>3881368
Show my a legitimately good piece of art made by a completely untrained artist using the assistance of 3D mannequins.

>but the process is what gives art the respect it’s garnered throughout history.
Art throughout the history extensively uses real-life models and even photographs. Did you think that they were painted from imagination?

You're acting as if a mannequin is a magic spell that can generate good art for you.

>>3881287
thanks for the words of wisdom fellow crab

>>3881347
Well if james gurney used 3d models as reffrence in his dinotopia works then i give up it belongs in the artistic process guess i will learn 3d modeling to help my art.

>>3881368

I think the purpose of art, in general, is to provoke thoughts or emotion in its viewers. Since the story behind how an art piece was created can change how someone perceives it, the story/process has remained relevant to the overall quality of most art throughout history.

But now we have digital art, and there are literally thousands of ways to create something on the computer. Anyone could be using any method to create their art and there'd be no way to tell if they're bullshitting you when they say they didn't trace a mannequin.

At this point, I'd say all the "soul" of digital art comes from it's literal end product, and today the process shouldn't really matter for shit. Just do whatever works for you and ends up making your art look good.

>>3881137
They filter out competition, NGMIS are never going to learn anything because they have a crutch, and they will never be worth shit on crutches alone.

So yeah, so many potential artists less thanks to these easy ways it only inflates the value of the people who can actually draw.

>>3881418
The purpose of art is to create something that didn't exist before. To make something out of nothing.

Which is why I have zero respect for the reference babies

>oh I need a photo of X to draw X
>I couldn't draw that because there wan't a photo of this particular pose from that particular angle on imageshack
>do you have a photo reference for your fantasy dress?
>do you have a photo reference for a space ship?
>you you have a photo reference for a Lovecraftian eldritch horror?

What a bunch of faggots lol.
Can you imagine being dependent on stock images so much so you can't draw that which only exists in your head?

>>3881137
Honestly, as someone who learnt never tracing, I suggest tracing to learn proportions, that makes about 70% of any anime drawing out there (which is of interest to the most) once you get used to keep certain distances between leg and crotch, crotch and neck Im sure you will be able to keep everything right when you lack ref

>>3881426
Post your work.

>>3881382
Even the old masters did it. No rules only tools

God bless digital tool.
I made a good amount money from tracing 3d models in Clip Studio Paint.

There's absolutely nothing wrong in using whatever you need to deliver you experience that you want to deliver.

Is it cool when somebody is great at drawing and painting poses and props from imagination? Yeah, but people who consume are generally not going to care, and for good reason. It's like being pissed off that craftsmen aren't assembling our cars anymore, they're cheating by using robots etc etc

fix'd

There's absolutely nothing wrong in using whatever you need to deliver the experience that you want to deliver.

Is it cool when somebody is great at drawing and painting poses and props from imagination? Yeah, but people who consume are generally not going to care, and for good reason. It's like being pissed off that craftsmen aren't assembling our cars anymore, they're cheating by using robots etc etc

Can one of you negros post a piece you did using a traced 3D model. Every time this topic is brought up NOBODY posts an example they did. I get hit with "but but I don't want people to know because I make money :-0 :("

Please.

>>3881591
They'll never post because they know they're garbage. Anyone who relies on 3D mannequins WITHOUT any actual semblance of artistic training and skills will always fail. Compare VolenCK with Wootha.

3D mannequins can only solve two technical aspects for you. Perspective and lighting, that's it. You can argue it solves anatomy for you, but anatomy rarely even works well in most 3D posing software without manual adjustments, which ironically requires more anatomy knowledge.

Design, composition, color theory, storytelling, creativity, taste, and dozens more - the actual hard stuff - are all left to the hands of the artists. These are the real underpinnings to a truly successful artwork.

And when you completely ignore them, to no one's surprise, you get garbage.

If it works, it works. Those people are actually doing something to further themselves while you sit here whining. Maybe work to be more successful than the people you're wasting time complaining about.

>>3881610

Who are those people? Post examples.

Fuck the people that use blueprints and mechanical tools to make houses. Real men use their barehands.

>>3881611
>>3881347

>>3881611
And before you be a wiseass and post
>yoshikadzu
>some youtube tech demo of a pro using it to show off the features of the programs we're talking about ITT
>some mangaka who already knows how to draw without using crutches

Please don't. I want to see a regular Joe who is mildly successful.

>>3881607
>Compare VolenCK with Wootha.
Which one's supposed to be the good one?

>>3881613
That's a photo, not a 3D model. Fine artists have been using photos since the camera has been invented. Try again please.

>>3881616
Same thing, both are tools artists can use to make there work. There's no difference between the two other than the fact that 3d is easier to customize.

>>3881620

No they are not the same thing.With a 3D model generally people aren't wary of their composition. A 3D doll isn't going to magically poop out a great picture. With finding photos there is a level of knowing what you're going to create because the artist has listed off what to find to put in their work.

Now I ask you, find me someone who uses the 3D dolls or just admit you're shit.

>>3881623
>With a 3D model generally people aren't wary of their composition.
What's your evicence for this?

>>3881633
there isn't

>>3881623
A photo will also not poop out a great picture. People can be just as inept in using both, and both are easy to customize to exactly what you need.

>$5 disposable camera from Walgreens
>couple of fitting hand-me-downs from your local thrift shop.
>$15 or so for pvc pipe to put together a rough object/weapon/etc.
>a friend/yourself to pose in all that garbage.

Boom, you have a photo you can use that fits your exact needs.

>>3881634
Likewise since you can't post someone using 3D models nor will you post your work.

>>3881636

A great picture is a great composition. A photo has it figured out for you. It's up to the artist to add their revision to the photo hence what the link was posting.

You know what at this point I think I'm arguing with porn fags. You losers can't make art even if you tried.

https://dad.gallery/submissions/29191

Here is one guy from this board using 3D models crutch. Take what you feel from this.

>>3881641
You can do the same thing with a 3d model. Now fuck off back to artstation and cry about why you ain't getting any traffic, elitist trash.

>>3881639
Is the burden of evidence not on you to tell people why 3d models can't act as compositional tools?

>>3881641
Do good photos take themselves?

Lmao "crutches". They just help get the job done faster. Unskilled artists can take their time, but for pros time is money.

As a professional stroryboard artist I need to deliver 60-80 drawings a day and I trace 90% of them from stock images. It doesn't make any difference to the client, occasionally they provide me with the stock refs themselves.

>>3881659
>As a professional stroryboard artist

Stopped right there. No work, don't give a shit.

>>3881649
>You can do the same thing with a 3d model.
Alright then. Show me how it's done by posting your God damn work.
>Is the burden of evidence not on you to tell people why 3d models can't act as compositional tools?
True. So why aren't you posting your work then if a photo has the same integrity has a digital doll?
>Do good photos take themselves?
By that logic do 3D dolls pose themselves, choose the perfect lighting, have all the anatomy figured out for you just the same way as a photo?

>>3881663
>I make things harder for myself therefore I'm better than others

Fuck off. Don't get pissy because a tool you refuse to use gets people further than your sorry ass because it's objectively better.

>Post your work
You first, you're the one asserting that 3d models are some abhorrent evil that ruins artists, it's on your to prove your point, I don't have to post shit.

>>3881663
>True. So why aren't you posting your work
What?

>By that logic do 3D dolls
No, why should they need to do that for them to be useful compositional tools?

>>3881687
>I don't have to post shit.

Oh shit. Fuck me then, right?
>>3881688
>No, why should they need to do that for them to be useful compositional tools?
More and more evidence that you draw porn. I think we're done here.

>>3881691
Guess we are you obviously don't have jack shit to prove your point.

>>3881693

You're still not posting work.

>>3881696
Neither are you

>>3881691
Why don't you quietly fuck off instead of throwing out accusations about what I draw? Seems like a thinly veiled attempt to sidetrack the discussion and avoid having to back up your opinions with real arguments.

>>3881698
Here is something I'm working on right now. Now post your work.
>>3881699
Why don't you stay quiet and show some hands with your work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEWDhOXgUbY

>They just help get the job done faster.
A person who cannot just draw a person in a non-crazy pose from a reasonable angle can neither draw objects environments and make a finished picture, because he just cant fucking draw lol.
If you need a poser it means you can't draw for shit anyways, as if a pose could help you if you can't place in in an environment and surround with objects. Drawing people isn't even the hardest part.
And if you could draw you would sketch gestures quicker than it takes to fiddle with a 3d model gizmos and shit.

Besides every single poser available is useless or even harmful. The models they offer are either so stiff and limited you can't make a complex pose anyways, or they are unlimited in motion and give you unrealistic broken bones poses, not to mention all of them completely neglect muscle and skin plasticity
>curl an arm
>bicep doesn't inflate
>raise a shoulder
>tits don't follow the skin
>broad shoulders
>pecs on a model do nothing, they are either just lumps on a male chest or don't exist on female chest
>twist torso
>abdominal muscules are just inactive lumps, no contraction, no definition, no shit
I'm lmaioing my ass off at the people who take that shit seriously.
If you take these lame ass non-functional model a helpful cheat you must have some incredibly low standards.

>>3881710
thread theme music

>>3881707
o o f

>show hands
Fix yours first

>>3881715

>still no work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5A0_jVRNF0

>still no work after 10 minutes
It's safe to safe /ic/ is full of shit and can't defend themselves when someone with actual balls confronts them.

>>3881707
>Here is something I'm working on right now.
I kinds like the face so here's the tip.

Her left hand is fucked but that's a small problem. The big one is her pelvis lacks any definition whatsoever.
I see this shit way too often i'm sick of this mistake every easy way by youtube guide faggot makes and it just drives me into despair, it's everywhere.

The legs don't just grow out of the abdomen, PLEASE do the fucking research on pelvis in hip bones for fucks sake.
And the pelvis is supposed to be connected to the chest with abdominal muscles, which are hands down the hardest part of human body, i would argue harder than hands, feet and the face, but they separate the plebs from the patricians.

Too many people learn mistakes from the low skill artists, that's what yuo get for relying on tutorials and quickies rather than actually going through a book,

>>3881728

Thanks for the tipper but I'd rather you just post your own work before I take you seriously.

>>3881715
he posted his work now post yours

>>3881725
Why would we have to post word when you still haven't proven you can do better w/out those scary 3d programs. You got a traced loli face on top of a dA-tier body that cuts off the hips to hide your lack of anatomy knowledge.

>>3881734
>still no work
>claiming that I trace parts out

Jesus Christ. Here is another. Did I trace here as well?

>>3881732
I'm getting recognized any time I do, so i'll pass.
Think with your own head and decide whom to take seriously yourself like a big boy.

>>3881739

>>3881739
>I'm getting recognized any time I do

Well, at least you can admit that you’re shitty.

>>3881368
> literally knows nothing of art history

>>3881707

>>3881843
blog?

>>3881843
>>3881707

You're both equally as bad. Why not kiss and makeout?

>>3881847
imo the 2nd guy is def better. More confident linework, logical forms, unified gesture, cleaner shapes, streamlined proportions.
t b h at this point I've completely lost track of what you guys are even arguing about anymore and which anon is on which side, so not really sure what any of these means

>>3881859
If I've read it correctly >>3881707 believes that referencing or tracing over 3DCG is bad and accuses the other of drawing porn while >>3881843 says that 3DCG is not functionally different from photography.
What it means is, 'no rules, only tools'.

>>3881859
imo i like the first one

>>3881872

You read wrong. >>3881591 here all I asked was for some examples of you guys using 3D models in your workflow. None of you post your work but praise using 3D in your work.

That's where it all started.

>>3881736
You could of yes

>>3881845
@fuuka2rin

>>3881872
He said I draw porn (love porn though) and need to post work when I asked him to explain exactly why 3D models can't work as compositional tools, can't really speak for the rest of the discussion. I've posted it and I'm still waiting for his answer.

>3DCG is not functionally different from photography.
What it means is, 'no rules, only tools'.
I agree with this. I do think that 3DCG is probably situational (currently easier to use photos for things like non-urban environments or realistic figures with drapery, for example?)

He says in his post above that I praise 3D but that's not necessarily true, I'm just open to it. An artist of our kind should probably aim for good imagination figures anyway. I could definitely consider using 3D dummies in the future if I did serious work with foreshortening and strong lens settings, especially if it were an actual product.

>>3881902
What about this. Did I trace this?

>>3881909
>calls people out as pornfags
>traces lolis

>>3881912
>this seething
nah bro

>>3881909
Also yes you could if traced this as well. I don’t care, I am just saying all this could easily been traced. If I wanted I could go into a program right now and dupe all your poses exactly in mins. I’m not saying you did I’m saying you easily could have.

>>3881923

>I’m not saying you did I’m saying you easily could have.

But I don't. I know box construction.

>>3881925
Yes but who’s to say one dose not do that over the model so they can back peddle later? Is literally and extra min or to. My point is is that we should not worry about it since it basically impossible to prove now a days so way care?

Real talk. Show me a pose and I’ll dupe it or give me a pose In words and I’ll shape it with that.

With the Lightning angles and strength you want to boot.

Is /ic/ actually trying to save face from an Anon who posted their work by accusing them of tracing over a 3d model? Believe it or not some of us actually studied off the 3dpig and invested time and effort into problem solving the style and developing an approach which allows us to draw independently from imagination to create moeshit without the use of crutches like what's on the OP

>>3881931
>Yes but who’s to say one dose not do that over the model so they can back peddle later?

Keep pedaling, retard. It takes less effort for me to draw in boxes than it does to take the time to pose a 3D model. The benefit is that I'm not tied to a program.

You're right, I could. But it's nice to have choices. You don't have a choice.

>>3881935
Why are you so desperate to feel superior?

>>3881939

We're having a discussion. Don't feel that way.

>>3881935
Lol chill man I’m not attacking you. All I’m saying is that you understamate how easy these tools are. It’s faster then you think so when you say you can do it faster or just as easy does not prove to me crap cuz Some noon could draw out poses faster then you ever could with these tools.

Once again I do not care, I like your work.....chill the fuck out

>>3881909
Not sure what this thread is turning into but I like this drawing.

>>3881931
>>3881909
Lets seen then if it’s that easy

>>3881947
>1v1 me drawfag

I guess it's time for a good ol classic gesture battle, yes sir!

>>3881935
The dude you're trying to butt heads w/ doesn't seem to use a program, bro, he's merely saying that others are free to use it and shouldn't feel bad for doing so.

>>3881943

I'm curious...go ahead and post something you did with design doll or DAZ or whatever. I still haven't seen it.

>>3881953
I figured as much. I don't even know who I'm talking to anymore so I'm abandoning this thread.

>>3881947here ya go

>>3881959
And with this I can attack any angle, change the light in any way, and even Play with the perspective (which I had to do here to match anons picture)

You can add people as well, mess with props and boby types to an extent.

To be honest there is a talent in making poses believable and being able to set up Spence and feeling and whatnot cuz most people can’t to that.

>>3881959
You do this in Poser?

>>3881953
And I do use it and yes I am not fighting with anon. I do believe he does his own body work and I like his stuff..

lets make that clear that I am not attacking you guy>>3881935

>>3881963

What program did you use? I'm>>3881909

>>3881909
>>3881959
Jesus he fucking nailed it O_o

>>3881639
Kyle

>>3881977

I'm a fan of Kyle.

Lol I kinda wanna make a new topic where I take pose requests all day today :p people would lose there shit lol

Magic poser is the app guys.

But like I said...takes a eye to knock out nice poses.

>>3881963
Ok I'm sold, software?

>>3881986
Yeah as you said you still have to ha be an imagination for poses.

>>3881909
>>3881959
omg, this is interesting. The 3D model is too accurate. But seems enough for a rough sketch.

>>3881986
Ok, well how about this then since you are bragging so much and offering.

I want an orgy

3 on 3

One girl riding a guy while with two other guys stand over them

One of the girls is only watching

The other girl is on the floor fucking around with the guy getting rode and one of the guys standing and watching

Can you do that?

>>3882020
Feels good to be accurate without using CG dolls.

>>3881615
Proko

>>3882016
Anon said Magic Poser.

>>3882033
Yeah I saw, replied without reading the thread til the end my bad

>>3882030
Well of course it does but if someone can use this effectively then I don’t see the harm.

>>3882020
Lol I didn’t put the shoulder up :( but you get the idea

>>3881935
Which type mannequin is this?

>>3882058
It's no special type, it's the act of stacking boxes, cones, cylinders and spheres together along with some lines to indicate plane changes.

>>3882023
Lol

To the model person. Can you make some ninja girls doing ninja things? I dunna, I just want to see what this thing can do so feel free to embellish.

>>3881137
The thing with tracefags is you're pretty much screwed when it comes to drapery. So unless you know your shit your stuff will come out amateurish still. At that point you might as well just actually learn how to manually draw everything first.

>>3881368
>that devalues art as a whole,
>cause now any idiot off the street
>have perfect anatomy and perspective in their drawing
>>that devalues art as a whole
What the fuck? This is a good thing- and I'm not even fucking with you.

>>3881137
Any links to some of these "crutches"?

I'll honestly try anything as long as it helps me along in digital art.

>>3882567
Read the topic. People have stated it multiple times.

>>3882567
Design Doll.
You'll regret learning the power of the devil.

>>3881426
Nigga post your work.

>>3882585
Post yours faggot.

>>3882627
>>3882585
both of you post your work

>>3881137
If you care so much about it's because you're good enough yet to realize how much of an advantage is knowing anatomy. Let them waste their time tracing. Sometimes it looks like a waste of time, but it's not. Eventually you'll realize that no machine can do it like a human, no matter what.

>>3882561
Enjoy being homeless and starving

>>3881426
>The purpose of art is to create something that didn't exist before
says literally who?
the purpose of art is to create an image, that's all.

>>3882635
Oh relax I already know making money with art's a losing game, that'll only happen to you

>>3882685
>>3882635

stfu both of you and post work

>>3881843
Been meaning to ask, do you still have your pencily brush you used in this miku drawing?

>>3882937
Yeah, I think I used Kyle Ultimate Pencil Hard
from the Kyle brush pack

>>3883013
I thought you're using CSP? IIRC, your filenames usually have that csp naming scheme

>>3883026
>csp naming scheme

No such thing.

>>3883026
The older イラスト ones come from CSP, that Miku was one of the first I did in PS. Gonna try CSP some more these days though

>>3882561
because muh sekrit klub
the same mentality as with cab drivers protesting against the shareride model - a sense of elitism derived from being an overman as opposed to "any idiot off the street"

>>3883035
alright thanks anon, managed to replicate the brush in csp anyways

>>3883077

That's not even comparable. I've refrained from calling you a mean name because it's Sunday.

>>3881707
Better than 90% of ic. Crabs in this thread seething.

>>3881909
clearly not

>>3881909
>>3881935
that's actually pretty nice anon

>>3881137
how did you do that anon?

>>3881171
>No rules only tools.
>>3881516
In Vilppu we trust

>>3882561
Losers can't share tooks and knowledge because then they'd have to compete and by the very nature of their existance, they can't.

>>3884269
Did you have a seizure typing this out?

>>3882627
jesus christ

>>3884711
This is a Christian board. Do not disrespect Jesus.

>>3882579
Not really.
I can't get realistically proportioned figures for shit. It's all tiny anime characters with huge heads.

>>3885425
The biggest problem with this is you can articulate the whole body into impossible movements. The result is a janky noodle. They made a figurine for CSP so you can quickly pose models with your bare hands but I dont know how well that works and its not sold in the west.

>>3881171
>No rules, only fools
Corrected

>>3885863
CSP model has terribly limited radge of motion. Its way too stiff and restricted so it's not helpful for difficult poses either.

https://imgur.com/a/HbiXnCJ

3D can be very useful. It just replaces the practice of drawing perspective, and it has so many advantages over the traditional perspective practice, it's not even funny. That's all there is to it. If you can't produce a good image from a 3D scene, you just can't draw.

>>3885948
^this.

A lot of you guys in this thread forget that 3D is an art medium. It requires you to be More aware of everything in 3D space. You could compare it to drawing in 3D almost. So yes, it’s a good tool but it can’t just be used without effort or knowledge of 3D software, anatomy, composition, morphs, rigging, Etc.

>>3885948

Drawing all those desks in proper perspective with accurate cast shadows would be a nightmare to do by hand.

>>3885948
>Only use 3d for the tables standing in straight rows
>Then draw turned tables correctly
>Barely rely on 3d for the focus character
>Sketch a bunch of other chatacters from a high angle freely

This guy only needed 3d to try out a composition.
Most of the job he did with legit high skill.

As for the straight tables - you can use steaight lines and rulers for perspective ez pz.

>>3885977
>proper perspective with accurate cast shadows would be a nightmare to do by hand.

Thank god straight line tool exists. What would we do without it.
Not just straight line but also snapping rulers and such.

Drawing a row of tables with straight lines and rulers is easy as fuck, probably faster than bothering with the models

But that guy actually turned the tables and broke the symmetry in 2d without relying in the 3d cruch.
He is a legit good siilled artist and not a shitty fake.

>>3885983
So you’re basically telling me 3D can be used as a tool to help them achieve their goal faster?

>>3885863

CSP models are better than Design Doll, you can buff the anatomy as you please, change the perspective in a easy way. But still being a shit, because the focus of the camera can ruin your proportions and the location of the facial features, so you need to have an advanced knowledge to correct that... And what tipe of knowledge you need? Anatomy (kek), so, at this point is really useless use 3d organic models for tracing, unless you use them to place them within a certain environment to fit to the perspective, in this case you can use non refined dolls like Hiroya Oku did for Gantz

>>3886017
...when they're already good enough to understand what it is that they should be doing, not when they're newbies. You're not going to win this argument, 3D as a crutch leads to shit results, no one disputed the idea that good artists benefit from involving 3D in their workflow at all.

>>3886024
What do you consider a crutch?

>>3886029
Something you use to compensate for your own deficiency.

Lets say you never got your fundies but you are trying to compensate with tracing, 3d and photobash.

1 your work is still going to suck because the elements you added yourself (clothing, objects, guns, face) don't fit into perspective of the scene (because you just suck)
2 you are never going to improve your fundamental skills because you are trying to supplement them rather thsn work on them
3 you likely arent going to go from shitty works you spent time on back to zero and start learning from straight lines and boxes and become the ultimate NGMI.

I have been around for years and while i am mediocre myself I observed a bunch or people who desperately clinged to their hope of finding an easy way for years.
>Ree why is my art shit?
>Because you never even started studying
>I was studying for years!
>You were badhing your head on the wall rather than doing any useful excersize, but it's never too late to start
>No fuck you i have my own way

I have seen a bunch of people like this, many draw more and longer than i do but while im mediocre myself i am certain they will never reach even my level.

>>3886043
fucking THIS
Everything, especially the greentext
I can also add my experience as tracing-crutch if you let me anon.

>be me
>2 years ago
>desperate for make cute 2d cute girls in no longer than 2 months
>Friends talk to me about Loomis, and all the shit about perspective
>Wtf? Books? I don't need that, these are only 2d japs cartoons pff (Dunning-Kruger alert!)
>Go to pixiv and fill a folder in my pc of pics/tutorials
>I've found a pirate copy of Clip Studio paint and I started to draw in them
>Oh, jesus It have 3d models
>Tracing Time!
>Drawings looks shitty af
>Redpill Time!
>from december 2017 I learned the basics and a lot of from the masters, Scott Robertson, Vilppu, even Hogarth
>I can draw a complete muscular figure figure from the imagination, so 2d girls are ez cake
>A few days ago tried to use 3d dolls models
>total shit, i never gonna to use it again, I save a lot of time drawing by myself

Don't be a crutch like It was this anon, for the sake of god don't waste time just learn the fucking basics

>>3886023
I wish I could run 3D model programs on my netbook. I really do. I also researched good programs that is used by engineers for buildings. Koreans abuse the shit out of that for their comics. Tailor-made 3D buildings, interior and exterior designs, adjustable perspective (including WARPING and FISH EYE LENS). Good fucking shit.

>>3886066
Good for you anon.
Now imagine somebody who spent 5 years in denial or more desperately seeking the easy way
>I hear Kuvshinov is tracing and doesn't give a fuck
>So fuck fundies I'm gonna trace and cheat like Kuvshinov!

To admit that you completely wasted so much time is too much and too hard for most people, so they chose to stay in denial forever until they eventually give up.

>>3886081
1 blender is gonna run on anything, snd a netbook can handle a few plain boxes.
2 you don't need it, you can use f
All kinds of rulers and curves to draw a fisheye perspective grid

>>3886091
I didnt know blender could run on netbooks. I have to try.
>2
yeah, that's right. But it's still helpful since it shaves off time.

>>3881713
>HURRRRR references bad!!!
Post your work you seething crab.

>>3886103
You too.

>>3886086
Thanks, I'm really grateful to wake up from that shit quickly instead of stuck me years in ignorance. Yes, but the Kalashnikov already shitted on everyone, now he will be dedicating himself to his "anime" thanks to the bucks that tracing leaves him (implying that he will have people who draw for him). Honestly I do not care so much, there are worse artists like Rossdraws, and sooner or later that style will become monotonous and boring. But hey, I find good learning as a sort of spiritual path and not as "I can do this in a good way and you can not"

>>3882630
U too. post your work.

>>3886193
I asked you first. Why are you so afraid? At best you're probably better than you think.

>>3883139
>managed to replicate the brush in csp anyways
Think you could share it then?

>>3886206
You asked before introducing your own you swine.
Go learn some manners and show your work before asking others to show theirs.

What if you're some kind of shit scrub? Am i supposed to show my work to a mere pleb? Post a work that proves you're worthy of attention you peasant.

>>3881909
the foreshortening is shit. extreme foreshortening almost always looks complete wacky. congrats on nothing, and why is her ribcage bending 2 times and going out that much more than her chest. trash.

>>3882023

>>3886344
>Snib

>>3886362
How long did this honestly take you? I'm going to guess at least a good 30 mins.

>>3886563
Under one episode of arrested development

>>3886594
why did you do this

>>3887424
>>3886362
because he's a Based orgy-smith?
fuck outta here with that attitude boi

>>3887426
don't boi me, boy

>>3887437
oi ur pushin it m8

So what happens when you have to draw something that doesn't exist?

>>3881611
Rossdraws

Here’s one of my oc dark elf

>>3881368
you're confusing art with draftsmanship, bucko

>>3887451
you make a model of it first, then you draw it

>>3887475
is that you james gurney?

>>3887475
making a model is just as hard as drawing it and takes way longer

>design a character in a sketch
>do another in t-pose with front, side and 3/4
>set image in blender and use it to copy for the model to later be used in a game
>take 5 minutes to set lighting and post
>bust out a quick piece of promotional art without having to guess at proportions and lighting
Seems helpful as a solo dev

>>3887672
Or you could, you know, just draw.

>>3887677
I mean when I get the character roster done I intend to use the models for the promo materials, pretty much only draw because it's faster to discard designs and start over than it is in 3d. I'm just saying I see where it could be useful to a 1 man army dev where time is already scarce.

>>3887562
Lol so you could of drawn that in under 15 mins? Lol ya ok guy

>>3887424
Cuz I was bored and someone made a request.

>>3887733
look for a guy named anaf on tumblr. He is from this board and can draw robots in tons of angles without software. He has a YouTube with some videos. I am sure after you watch some you'll reconsider being a software baby.

>>3887733
can you create a model of this robot in 15min?

>>3881426
>The purpose of art is to create something that didn't exist before. To make something out of nothing.
What a vague and meaningless statement, if I take a picture or make a 3D model wouldn't I be making "something from nothing" by that logic?
What you actually seem to think art is is a dick measuring contest, where the harder it is what you are making the more valuable it is, despite the end result.

>>3887809
Art is in nature a dick measuring contest. If it wasn't we wouldn't have pen names or signature artwork. The old masters would not burn their works so lowly pedants couldn't replicate. The tower of Babel wouldn't have been built if other cities didn't compete. Etc

>>3887816
What you are describing is competition, every human endeavor has competition, that doesn't make the point of art to be a dick measuring contest.
If your main reason to like art is to be better than other people, then you just don't like art in the first place.

>>3887562

Lineart and cel shaded is one thing, but if your goal is high realism a physical maquette ala Gurney or a 3d model will be incredible useful to create reference for light and materials.

>>3881607
Jesus what a load of shit I just read

>>3887848
Why am I not allowed, according to you, to not have both a dick measuring contest and love art at the same time?

>>3887733
the animators at sunrise probably could

>>3888149
The ones that were here since the 80s maybe, otherwise they're all tracing over 3D models.

>>3881909
Okay, but what's this person's blog?

>>3888206
mah man obari could

>>3881426
There's a difference between copying a photo and using references.

Every famous painter heavily uses/used references. You cant learn without studying and an artist never stops learning. You learn to draw from imagination after you learn how to draw. Its common sense.

The isse comes when prople never learn to draw from imagination and begin publishing traced or heavily referenced art and at that point its barely even art.

>>3881368
"Cause now any idiot off the street can"
Goyi- I mean Anon, I have some news for you.

>>3881137
>free
What's it called? I am a huge shitter and would love this!

>>3889754
DesignDoll. Its not great but it can get the job done

Whole lotta people calling people out but not a whole lot posting anything. Hmmm.

>>3886362
Ok I’m sold

>>3889939
pyw

>>3889969
no you