/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3867223
the internet

>>3867223
Study color schemes of old anime.

Floof is GOOD, redarts!

Well, it's tricky. The art books for old anime series are VERY expensive now. You can try and find scans of them, but I don't know how common they are.

There's a little bit of old-school anime here: http://livlily.blogspot.com/2010/11/model-sheets-production-drawings.html

>>3867244
you're so awesome, thanks!

>>3867244
exhentai actually has a decent amount of settei and artbooks of old 80's/90's anime archived.

>>3867223
Just pause old anime then draw holy fuck

>>3867223
If we go off of ur image.
>Big shine in the eyes, gaze filled with soul instead of relying on digital brushes.
>Large cascades of hair, we want to convey a stream of character.
>Sharp nose, fuck dots and fuck laziness.
>Retarded ass FF clothes, fuck familiar uniforms.
>Tall and slim bodies, no smol uguu teens with child faces allowed.

>>3867223
Your best bet would be downloading the BD editions of stuff like Bubblegum Crisis or Slayers, doing screencaps now and then, and analyzing construction and colors. You can also use texture to achieve that celluloid look.

So what was her problem?

>>3867594
Tenchi wouldn't slip her the D fast enough.

>>3867317
seconding exhentai
they've got a shitload of high-res scans of 80's anime mooks
not enough available as torrents for download but hey, nothing's perfect

>>3867467
also mouth and nose are pretty close together

>>3867317
The only artist any old-school anime fan needs to study: Kenichi goddamn Sonoda.

>>3867939
Based

>>3867244
not quite, you can buy them fro. yahoo auctions using jauce or japamart.

setteis its what you are looking.

>>3867467
Big chin(chad) instead of big forehead (moefag)

>>3867939
>>3868012
And speaking of, here's a mega with all the Kenichi Sonoda books I've saved: https://mega.nz/#F!mhpQFI6B!ezg1QB10Rz_i8h-8VOSk2Q

I hope they help you, OP!

>>3867223
You old animetards don't understand anime at all the new stuff is almost the same if you can't figure out how to adjust the style from a new guide to your desired look you're NGMI

>>3868197
>being a crab
ngmi desu

>>3867317

Is the original illustration in this painted in acrylics, poster color or something?

>>3868196
Thanks anon, definitely gonna save it.

>>3867610
>slip her the D fast enough
When..did he?

>>3868207

They look like animation cels to me, which had a special kind of paint. Gives everything that super-smooth look. Poster color would just look like a gouache painting.

Huh. Doing a little research, I found that James Gurney used animation cel paint to do some of the backgrounds for Fire and Ice. I did not know you could do that...

Anyway here's some more info on that.

http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2017/10/using-cel-vinyl-paint.html

>>3868337
It's implied she wins in Tenchi Universe.

>>3867223
Lurk on /a/ and /e/ and lurk the catalog for 80's-90's anime threads. Basically, save any screencaps of that kind of anime you see. Most of 4chan is great for this.

Been collecting them to study cell shading, since I work with markers.

Don't forget the motorcycles.

>>3868367
>They look like animation cels to me, which had a special kind of paint. Gives everything that super-smooth look. Poster color would just look like a gouache painting.
Poster color, gouache and vinyl cel paint are the same thing. They dry with a matte smooth finish.

>>3867223
not a weeb but 80s anime best anime
I would just study the eyes a lot, I think it's mostly the eye shape and line thickness.

>>3871065

They are not the same thing. They are similar in behavior, but not the same.

Poster color is hard to get and expensive outside Japan, but I think gouache is a decent alternative and the methods to use them are very similar.

Cel-paint is an acrylic paint, and should not be water soluble like gouache or poster paint (although they do make acrylic-gouache now, which is basically acrylic that behaves like gouache).

>>3868196
nice

>>3867223
Are you retarded? There's really nothing to it apart from applying the same construction techniques and copying what you see from the old style anime.

>>3872784
Fuck off.

>>3872791
you mad? you mad? you mad? why you mad? you mad? you mad?
hahaha.

>>3872799
Wow

>>3867223
this guys your best friend. Theres also a thread about photoshop editing somewhere in the archive that'll help you with achieving that weird line and color quality old anime have. You know how there's sort of like a filter going on? some anons figured out how to replicate that.

https://www.instagram.com/megagrozov/

>>3872832
another one
https://visualie.tumblr.com/

>>3872832
>>3875714
on that note, for CSP users, there's this

https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1739382
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1739381

but this is more for noise, for grain you have to download a film gran plate, put in on an upper layer, and use the Overlay blend, also make sure the film grain plate is this level of gray

>>3867223
Literally the How to Draw Manga series. They're entrenched in the late 90s.<div class="like-perk-cnt">&#x1F641;</div>

>>3875794
>the late 90s
>old school
get fudged, fudger

>>3867223
Literally just redraw anime/manga from the 80’s/90’s. If you’re not good enough to get a good idea on how the style works from redrawing art and using references to draw your own stuff in that style then you need to work more on your fundies and shouldn’t be worrying about stylization

Just copy. Do like the japs do.

>>3867223
If you have the anime or manga, then you already have the resources.

>>3875788
Grain won't be enough

>>3876572
Drawing from reference is fine tho, everyone does that everywhere. Tracing is where things get tricky.

>>3876572
What book is this?

>>3876752

>>3876572
>people say that you should never draw with symbols
>Tezuka said that manga is a language of symbols
I'm getting mixed signals here, lads.

>>3876822
That's because we assume you want to learn how to draw normal stuff, not manga.

CSP pro and EX has some nice stuff.

>>3876822
see >>3875949

Symbols are just tools that get misused by beginners because they don't know any better. Learn your fundies and then try to transfer your knowledge about fundies into experimenting with symbols.

>>3867223
>old school anime
>Dirty Pair Flash

fuck you OP

>>3867482
>BD
>Bubblegum Crisis
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>3877421
What?

>>3877422
what the fuck where'd you get that from

>>3877424
It's on Bakabt. There's also an artbook that was published back in 1991.

>>3877427
Nice, thanks anon!

>>3868337
I miss this anime

>>3876822
They're not talking about the same kind of symbol.
>>3877357
People usually call this 'shape design' which is taught in every 101 chardes class in existence.

Honestly, it's sad to see a useful, easy-to-understand and intuitive term gets rundown to the ground by butthurt pedantic autists. It's pretty much impossible to discuss the s-word these days without autists trying to """misunderstand""" its meaning.

>>3877427
>Bakabt
I regret not making an account there, lesson learned to always have a dud account on every slightly useful website and download everything lest they close doors and go invite only.

>>3877505
That's just reality, people will always take teachings and tips literally without understanding the subtleties, because the subtleties get lost when your shorten the lesson into a ''catchphrase'' and do not have a teacher to tell you the rest of the story. And the internet is all about condensed bite-sized information being rehashed, it's like a big game of telephone

>>3876822
That's because manga and anime evolved pretty much on symbol drawing.
Manga and anime aesthetic is the result of a Japanese artists influencing each other without much interference from the west, with the rare exception off course.

>>3878287
that looks sweet papu.

>>3877427
this is your home now >>3864795

>>3877424
>>3877421
If you aren't a raging poorfag, you can buy the BD from animeigo.

>>3879551
upload the book or Bean Bandit revival gets canceled

>>3879564
nah

>>3877505
>>3877519
How about you just spell it out?

>>3879866
‘Symbol drawing’ is a phase in drawing development when a person is drawing inaccurate pictures based on their idea, their symbol, of how an object looks. For example, they know that a chair has four legs, so they draw all four legs of a chair they see regardless of whether any of the legs are actually visible from the angle they’re seeing it. The chair symbol in their mind overrides the chair that’s in front of them. The word ‘symbol’ is being used in a psychological context.

Tezuka used ‘symbol’ in a literary context. Some of those symbols are symbols in the commonly used sense, almost like pictographs - X shapes for angry bulging forehead veins, for example. But others, like girls running to school with toast in their teeth, are more complex. The toast rush tells you that this character is a scatterbrain who’s not that bright, but that she’s got a good heart and is a dear friend. We know this because countless manga used the toast rush as shorthand for this, and it will mean the same thing no matter how simply or realistically (or even in live-action film!) the scene is rendered.

That said, you can symbol draw manga symbols. Japanese kids do it all the time.

>>3868012
Eugh, why do people like this stuff. The style is so purposefully sweet and bubbly it gives me diabetes.

>>3867223
Most of my current work is in that style so Imma help you out with how I got here,
this is especially true if you want 90s anime, if you want 80s or 70s anime than you might have to tweak it.

What you need to do
1)learn the basics. Drawing 3d shapes, realistic drawings or at least sketching, and the general fundamentals
2)Try to draw anime. Go about it one style at a time, the concepts are somewhat similar across the board, so if you sit down with a few then different ones would become easier. I doodles some lucky star opm, stuff like that.
3) make sure you pick up on what makes things fundamentally anime, the 2d shape language, the 3d shape language, the reasoning etc. Figure out the shape language and stylistic choices of the style you like and make sure they make sense and work.
4)work towards realism. most of 90s anime was basically anime fundamentally with more and more realism put into it, it's not always but it's sometimes useful

notes:
>don't be afraid of breaking the rules of anime slightly, sometimes it makes something look even more anime when you use your head, and take away from anime when you try and fource it, for example a lot of western artists that try to do anime try to stick to the rules too much and end up with trash.
>make sure to keep things based on 3d, you aren't drawing symbols, even if the eyes are flat on the skull they will still wrap around the head, and even in some very extreme styles there's still thought on 3d going into the works behind it.
>keep it loose, don't be too tense about it, usually the best way to make anime is be loose
>be mindful of your lines. not everything needs them. sometimes a lip can be half a line and a nose can be a dot, it's not about the lines but what they represent. I think that's everything. enjoy.

>>3879972
Its cute.