/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I mean... More people would be inclined to just pledge $1, but the again, if only 10 people pledge you, that's pretty much nothing. I would do $2, $5, $10. If you find that a good amount of people are doing $5, then change it to 5, 10, 15. It really depends on how good your work is though.

>>3861769

>>3861771
>depends on how good your work is though.
*how popular you are

Does patreon allows nipples visible on the header image and avatar?
Im still not sure. Some people got their accounts closed for a while for such stuff

>>3861769
Random Patreon facts I collected to my best explanation:
1. People that have no tier rewards earn $2.40 on average from Patrons, while people with rewards earn around $4.00 on average.
If you use Patreon as a tip jar you're likely to earn less.

2. The average conversion rate in the marketing world is around 2%, meaning that for every 100 followers you should get at least 2 Patrons.
So if you have 10,000 followers you should eventually have 200 Patrons.
(Average Patreon income is $4 per Patreon so you should earn around $800 if you have 10,000 followers and make good content.)
Conversion rate isn't set in stone. You can have 1000 followers and still earn as much as the guy with 50,000 followers.

3. Always have a $50+ tier for the whale, make it something that's easy to fulfill. If you're good then just add a $100+ commission tier and adjust it to your tastes.

This should be enough knowledge for you guys.

>>3861835
Nope

>>3861847
2 patrons for each 100 followers is hella optimistic.Try 2 per 1000

>>3861847
thanks a lot anon!

What about rewards?
Should i stop showing full NSFW after creating patreon?
tiers
1) full size and sketches/process
2) full NSFW + psd/full size + sketches/process
3) everything mentioned + comission

how about this idea?
Also picrelated guy having cheap tiers 1-3-5$ while having good amount of people.

>>3861861
>Should i stop showing full NSFW after creating patreon?
You could give Patrons early access to NSFW content instead of restricting it to Patreon only. You could also include a higher tier($10-$20) that has Patreon-only NSFW content.

>>3861852
>Try 2 per 1000
Are you sure about that? that's like despair in it's most ultimate form

>>3861872
That's what Sam Harris said and he used to be top 5 on patreon until the Sargon thing happened and some creators like him left in support of sargon and/or disagreement with patreon.

I also have like 11K followers on all my sites combined and like 20 something patrons after 4 months

>>3861878
>Sargon thing happened and some creators like him left in support of sargon and/or disagreement with patreon.
lol
thats a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CROWD. different target group

why are you comparing some autistic /pol/ alt righ - group to artists/porn artists and their zoomers that want to see some titties/dicks

>>3861916
>basedgon
>sam harris
>alt-right
You moron.

>>3861921
lmao it changes s o y to based?

>>3861924
onions

>>3861921
>>basedgon
>>sam harris
>>alt-right
>You moron.
who give s FUCK about those?
those are political degenerates.
Who cares that they left Patreon? their target group or them are far from what OP made thread for - nothing to do with artists.

>>3861916
I only mentioned that because Sam Harris left Patreon and wanted to give the reason of hix exit (ofc that has nothing to do with the thread). Before that he was doing very well but he also said that the conversation rate in general was low around 2-5 per 1000 followers

>>3861916
>>3861929
dude, he's talking about patreon numbers. Stop shitting the thread with your retarded tantrum
>who give s FUCK about those?
yeah, exactly. YOU are the one making a fuss about it. Now fuck off back to wherever you came from.

https://www.patreon.com/digibro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnSdto20N7k

>>3861964

>>3861964
Para social relationships is a great asset literally throwing money to make you feel less alone

Digibro understood this and that is why he toned down the anime bs

>>3861960
this.

i make 10$ a month from a couple chill dudes

>>3862012
based chillbro

>>3861967
He is such a nasty fucking person, he makes me gag with every single thing he does. Truly rotten

>>3862923
He has a gf tho

>>3862987
*he has 4950$ every month tho

Fixed

>>3861964
I FUCKING HATE WHEN ZOOMERS SAY "LIKE...YOU KNOW LIKE..."
fucking degenerates

>>3861861
>>3861773
why is porn so fucking easymode, goddamnit

>>3863314
Stay mad poorfag

>>3863317
>t. virtual cock gobbler

>>3863318
Stay mad poorfag.

>>3863522
>gobble gobble gobble

>>3863526
---> >>3863522

>>3863530
>gobble gobble URK!
>OH YEAH IM CUMMIN here's your 20 bucks

>>3863532
>here's your 20 bucks
*5000-100000$
fixed

>>3863607
>*5000-100000$
*one cock gobbling at a time.

>>3863624
>poorfag on suicide watch

Are you two fucking done? Jesus H. Christ.

Reminder to create an account before May to get founder status.

>>3863795
just create an account with an email? or create an account and set up the pledge, rewards, payment and everything?

>>3863829
Patreon is free. It doesn't matter if you make no money. There are no fees. You can change everything including username later on. Just set up a page in a few secondes. I'm not sure whether just signing up is enough.

>>3863853
>>3863829
signing is not enough
you have to "START" a patreon. that means put it out for review so people will review it and allow you to "run" it

im in a process of preparing everything right now. I have certain amount of followers on twitter and instagram and always wanted to create a patreon. I can't allow myself to miss this opportunity.

>>3863795
They'll probably just wait six months or a year and then raise the rates on the grandfathered accounts. They make no promises that the deal is permanent.

>>3861769
can i use patreon instead of paypal as a way for people to pay for commissions? i don't want to deal with paypal invoices and shit and i am gonna make a patreon anyway

>>3864169
I guess you can do a "commission" tier.

>>3864169
Stop being a lazy zoomer.

>>3864347
you have to be really discreet with paypal cause they can ban you if they catch wind that youre doing porn, like if one of your customers specifies something they shouldn't, the paypal people might lock your account and prevent access to your funds

>>3864169
yes. patreon allows porn and fights paypal chargebacks for you, just remember to set your patreon so it charges immediately(requires phone number i think). fuck paypal.

>>3864470
thank you. i'll do >>3864252 in that case

What types of tiers do you have anons?

What is your first tier? "1$"?

>>3863736
>>3863522
>>3863317
>>3863530
incel cope.

>>3861960
>apples and oranges both grow on trees

>>3864598
i have been thinking a lot about this.
$1 means nothing especially considering patreon takes a chunk of that.
probably the lowest i'd consider is $3 for access to all artwork, from there you can do what you want i think. with every tier there needs to be some additional incentive like, for example, voting power on what you'll draw next or something like that. this is something i am having trouble with myself.

Question, do you get any kind of notification when someone makes a one-time donation? Any way to tell who exactly is the donator?

>>3864709
Im thinking the same.
im just afraid that i will scare away not very pay-able people if there wont be a 1% tier.
i looked at some example and it seems that most of sucessful people use 1% just for "WELL AT LEST ITS BETTER THAN NOTHING" - tier.
1$ wont offern anything at all. just Thank you. but if people dont have 5$ then they can just pay 1$ and be with it... i gueess...
need more research

I have a question: Is it better to wait to make a patreon when you have actual followers and fans, so you get a good "track record"
from your initial start date, or is gatekeeping your own progress by waiting discouraged and the general advice is to "just make on".

>>3866827
I just made one yesterday. Nothing on it, not promoting it, just wanted to make a founding creator one.

>>3863795
>>3863829
>>3863853
>>3863882
>you have to "START" a patreon. that means put it out for review
I'll pass. With my current follower count I would be too ashamed to start one.

>>3867545
I was of the same opinion, but i may start one now anyway, just to get "grandfathered" in.
I can always grow the fanbase afterwards.

Unless there's evidence that opening a Patreon before you have enough followers, actively hinders your growth.

>>3867948
>Unless there's evidence that opening a Patreon before you have enough followers, actively hinders your growth.
There's a bandwagon effect once you're making more than beer money. Don't know if it applies to patreon specifically but in theory, it's putting somw 5s and 10s in the donation jar to get people to throw in more money.

>>3867961
Do you think it outweights the loss of going from 5% to 8% cut? Genuine question.

>>3867969
Depends entirely on what you have to offer and what your tiers are. This one is from a comic that launched a couple weeks ago by an obscure and relatively new artist who previously did niche fetish shit. He has early access drawings and 1500 followers on twitter.

I'd go in early either way.

>>3867983
Link.

I'm also thinking about launching a smut patreon, mostly because i'd like to maintain 100% freedom when it comes to my passion projects (SFW stuff), and titties seem easier to monetize in the way.

>>3868032
Fuck I didn't want to do this.
https://www.patreon.com/Beez_Tiger

Just be mindful his following was based on lovely rokujuyon ripoffs because he does cub and I'd pay out if he did trad work and would send me some but he doesn't and I understand. https://inkbunny.net/foxxx321

Does anyone seems to get a new patron shortly after losing one?

btw I'm a bit tired of dine and dash. Would charging up front harm my perception and/or odds towards my current/potential patrons?

>>3868869
>Would charging up front harm my perception and/or odds towards my current/potential patrons?
Some people are always gonna bitch about anything, but to me, that's the fair way to do it.
Pledging, grabbing everything and unpledging without spending a dollar is just too easy to do.

>>3868376
You sick bastards. I hope someone reports him to Patreon.

>>3869515
>It's a known fact that many professional artists draw porn to pay the bills
>You don't know how many of them draw porn under a pseudonym
>You don't know the real economics of this
>There are porn artists whose main thing is porn
>You don't know what they actually draw for private clients
>You don't know how much commissioned art isn't shared online and kept private
>There are artists who put these illegal fetishes at the forefront
>You don't know what else they draw
>You don't know how deep this goes

>>3869536
>You don't know what they actually draw for private clients
true, i draw loli rape porn for a few sick fucks and charge them 3 times the price that i do for my normal shit

>>3869574
JFC it's real.

>>3869574
Show your artstyle mate

im not finished writing/designing the ABOUT page yet and im very curious - how much time it will take to make my Patreon fully accepterd after i will press the Submit for Review button?
dont want to be too late before new rules...

>>3861769
I was thinking about starting up a patreon and using it as my "main hub".
I would only do sfw, charge once a month and upload whatever but mostly original content for a (maybe) future project or do a comic, blog etc. depending on people's feedback.
I don't have any social media and i really don't know if it might be even worth starting this because my art is not great and i have the charisma of a rock.
And besides my drawings, i wouldn't know what to do and my fear is also that trying to interact with followers might eat up all of my time.
Any advice?

>>3872704
JUST START ANYWAYS
DID YOU SEE WHAT I WROTE?

IF YOU WONT MAKE IT TILL MAY YOU WILL HAVE TO (((PAY MONEY))) TO BUY A SPECIAL PATREON TIER
and if you will make it now you wont

EVERYBODY SHOULD MAKE A PATREON RIGHT NOW BEFORE THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT FOR FREE

>>3872714
>just do it because
I wanted advice that might clear up my fears and maybe misconceptions.
Your post doesn't help.

>>3872722
1) IF YOU MAKE IT NOW YOU WILL DO IT FOR FREE AND BUILD A FANBASE LATER ON ON YOUR FREE PATREON

2) IF YOU WILL NOT MAKE IT NOW - YOU WILL SUCK DICK EVEN IF IN THE FUTURE YOU WILL HAVE SUPPORTERS/FANBASE BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE (((BUY))) A PRO-TIER PATREON ACCOUNT TO RUN IT IN FULL POWER

>>3863853
>>3863882
>>3872714
>>3872724
So you're saying that I can start and launch a patreon even if I have no followers in any social media?

>>3863795
do i have to "launch" to? I already sent mine out for review. I really don't because I'm nowhere near good enough to let people know i have one.

>>3872893
Yup.
>>3873085
You have to to get full verified as a "creator".
Got the message:
>"Bla blab we guna change things and stuff"
After i launched

>>3873126
Oh ok then, I got the creator account now. So as long as I don't share or make a url, I can have it on standby without actually doing anything to it?

>>3873144
You can do anything, really, You can finish up your page, set tiers, make an url etc.
It doesn't really matter if you're active or not.

how do the staff verify that your patreon is legit? what does that even mean? do they just check for illegal shit or spam accounts?

>>3874075
>are you a "Nazi"?
>no
>verified.

>>3874075
They don't really. As i "submitted my page for review" it instantly went live.
If they even have something, I guess it would be some sort of bot who looks for certain words or word combination.
As for legit; it really doesn't matter. You could make a "fun/test page" and it wouldn't matter to patreon.
Just before the end of 2018 i had page with no activity whatsoever for less than a year.
It would still be there if i had not deleted it.

What's the point in hiding earnings? Whenever I see an artist with that setting enabled I think they're a pussy

what did you guys put in your "about?" i've rewritten mine a few times cause it sounds too corporate, then unprofessional, too begging-sounding, etc
i'm guessing i shouldn't describe my tiers in "about" since you can just move your fucking eyes to the right. should it just be a friendly greeting or something? i assume if someone finds their way to my page then they know what i do already.

I'm new to patreon, but if a tier is sold out, is there a way to get notified when it opens up again? I seem to remember there being a function like that but maybe its been removed.

Here's the most important piece of advice regarding Patreon:

Just fucking do it. And stick with it. Be consistant.

Do this one simple trick and you'll find success on Patreon, even if it takes you years (realistically it will).

Do you gotta do porn to make bank on patreon?

>>3874901
thanks man! im sure i will!
im working on INFO right now and hope to START patreon today!

>>3874598
>what did you guys put in your "about?
I've just made a short description about me but i've left out every personal detail.
>i'm guessing i shouldn't describe my tiers in "about" since you can just move your fucking eyes to the right
Depending on the number of tiers and the complexity of them, you must put an extra list on the about box.
>should it just be a friendly greeting or something?
just be yourself
>>3875061
Yeah. If you're not doing it, you might just give up because you can't even fathom how many people are degenerates who would only spend money on porn.

>>3875061
>Do you gotta do porn to make bank on patreon?
Your alternatives are 1) becoming a YouTube personality which has nothing to do with art, I have no idea how to become a YT personality 2) being a very skilled artist with a solid career (aka making it) and selling tutorials to desperate concept artist wannabes.
There are a few legitimate original things that make a few hundred dollars a month but they're made by already established pros, and it took them years, a titanic amount of work and lots of shilling on social media. Comics are a joke and they're basically a lottery.

The truth is if you want to do anything as a freelancer you have to start out in the industry first. It's a whole lot harder to get your foot in the door as one would think. Social media does nothing, this shit takes a decade or more to accomplish.

>As we do with all new creators, we're reviewing your page to make sure it meets our guidelines. We're working as fast as we can and will send you an email when your page has been approved.
oh i hope i hope

>>3875277
same bro, just submitted mine too after rewriting shit to hell and back.
assuming you get approved do you have a gimmick? i'm going to do a number of polls per month for what i should draw next, and eventually increase that number if i get a certain amount per month.
what's your lowest tier? mine's $5 to see everything i have there, and early access to high-res watermark-less drawings

>>3875325
I GOT IT ACCEPTED
now life will be much easier. im glad i started patreon before that changes in their tiers-politics or whatever.
>>3875325
>what's your lowest tier? mine's $5 to see everything i have there, and early access to high-res watermark-less drawings
mine is 1$
but really everything starts with 5$.

Here is a trick. You can pay 1$ but it literally gives you just nothing except early acess to main drawings i post everywhere.
All cool stuff starts from 5$.
So if a guy dont want to pay me 5 but dont mind giving me a simple 1 dollar tip it will be helpful too - better than nothing.


I have 3 tiers. 1-5-10.
10 is a main tier that has all NSFW shit unlocked and acess to polls. (however im thinking of moving polls to 5)

>>3875363
yeah i just noticed i was accepted as well, 3 minutes after i sent it out. thought it would take longer.
>I have 3 tiers. 1-5-10.
thing is they take a relatively huge chunk of it, i think a couple percent and then an additional ~30 cents? so it works out to be around 60 cents. i think it's better not to even bother with a $1 tier; if you moved that early access into the $5 tier you can bet that you'd get a few more $5 patrons than you would've, which may or may not earn you more but i personally am shooting for the stars. there's a lot more potential there if you forego the 'tip jar' tier
>10 is a main tier that has all NSFW shit unlocked
i don't really do the same thing over again to make a sfw/nsfw version of, i'd rather spend that time putting out more drawings, even if it's relatively little effort for probably higher earnings.

Anons i have a POLL VOTING question.

some people have low tiers Polls available while higher tear have "2x VOTING"...
what 2x means?

>>3875375
>i'd rather spend that time
turning sfw pin up into nsfw takes like couple of minutes. And it adds weight to your tiers.
Nude version of pin up is the most popular way to do things

Should i Charge Patrons up front?
I see that you can not "disable" this option once you click on it....

>>3875405
I do. It stops art theft for the most part since people don't want to spend money on someone they're trying to steal from unless they have some personal vendetta against you. And if people decide that they just wanted the art and leave in one day, you still get that money from them.

But you should REALLY put a warning on your front page saying that you charge up front so people don't join at the end of the month only to also get charged the next day.

>>3875411
thank you!

Many other artists put up their psd files and full resolution images for certain tiers, do they upload it on external sites or do they use patreon directly?
Also, what are good rewards you cannot go wrong with?

>>3875883
Max upload to Patreon per post I believe is 300MB. I personally dont upload PSDs, but I do upload high res stuff and use Patreon for that. Plus people could distribute the link if they wanted to steal from me using an external site.

>>3875889
>Max upload to Patreon per post I believe is 300MB
200mb. But is there also an upload limit on the attachments? I thought i would use that for both highres/original size pics and the other stuff

Has anyone tried Japanese crowdfunding platforms like Pixiv Fanbox or Fantia?
The language barrier is intimidating, but I feel my content fits their audience.

>>3875905

I'm 90% positive those require you to have a Japanese bank account, and those are difficult to acquire if you cannot be at the bank in person.

>>3862923
What did he do?

>>3876030
Caused gossip between you and another homo on /ic/

What is the point of offering discounts on commissions, as a patreon tier? It seems like a "pay, to pay less".
It's either pointless for the consumer (if the discount isn't enough) or a net negative for the artist (if the discount is too much).
Is it just to inflate the Patrons count?

>>3876363
Regular clients usually get a discount anyway, same with long-standing clients getting grandfathered into old prices. A ton of artists already do this privately. Sometimes t's more like a fastpass where you pay a little more to move to the front of the line. Comm slots and wait times can get ridiculous, one of my friends has a 3 month backlog at any given time and will quietly bump longtime commissioners at lower prices because they aren't needlessly picky and pay up front. More work in done less time is always good.

It's also a way to adjust your quarterly tax filing. Patreon is a different kind of income and is reported differently. Not sure on the specifics but people paying you more there as opposed to through commissions could lower your tax rate or at least allow you to better budget and calculate expenses.

>>3875897
Do you mean like quantity of attachments? I've uploaded around 20 high resolution pics as attachment before if that's what you mean. My patrons were actually kind of upset with me so I upload WinRar archives now if it's lots of things.

>>3876469
Good info, thanks, Anon.
btw what's your page? If you don't mind.

>>3876483
Not at all. Porn warning though.
https://www.patreon.com/MarmaladeMum

>>3876726
Personally, i'm not very intrigued because of NSFW
BUT
Objectively and from a business viewpoint, this is well thought out and quite a good recipe for success.
Your average pledge is about 7$ which would mean most of your patreons get the 10$ pledge.
Your advantages are that your name and how you present yourself heavily implies you're a woman and you do NSFW fetish art, which attracts quite a lot of "beta-bux".
But i don't think one would get a fraction of your success if they were to do only SFW.

Still; this was very insightful. Thanks, Anon.

>>3876778
Thanks. Glad I could provide some insight.

>>3876726
interesting that $10 is (realistically) the highest amount one of your followers can pledge. when i planned my page i had $5 as a minimum, and went up to 25.
i'm not sure what would net me more money in the end. granted, i do furshit, and as far as i know those guys are loaded. it's also more niche than normal nsfw, so that might justify a higher price (though i'm not at your skill level nor am i popular at all). also i have more gimmicks/rewards so that's gonna be a factor.
i just don't have enough data to figure out the best way to go.

>>3876778
>$1,412 per month
>ehhh im not impressed blah blah blah you doing nsfw blah blah blah

>>3876726
I see you have 1$ tear while in this thread few people said that its not worth it.
What is your experience with 1 dollar tier? do you have subscribers with just 1 tier that use only that?

>>3877513
Different anon, it gets people who wouldn't otherwise donate. Some of the articles say that those pateronfags are spread thin over a lot of subscriptions but there are a decent number of them. It also makes the next tier up look more worth it when you have an option with no real perks.

>>3877524
Thanks! i thought the same.
i personally would be scared to subscribe to patreon that starts with 5$

>>3877491
go be a faggot somewhere else, retard

>>3877567
>go be a faggot somewhere else, retard
Your pain makes me smile, poorfag.

What are some good rewards if you don't want to post full res PSD's?

>>3877625
Exclusive stuff like:
HI-RES flat images.
Timelapse videos.
Sketches you usually don't post online, etc.

>>3877491
>$1,412 per month
That's really not that much imo.
Unless you live in a poor country.

>>3877703
Well I'm in Canada, so that money converts quite well. Ended up at just over 2k. Not to mention since I have Pay up front enabled and people do one off payments a lot, I had an extra $500 USD to deposit.

Remember guys! Use Pay Up Front!

>>3877703
>That's really not that much imo
you wont earn even a half of that with your shit art
stop being a pretentious dick

>>3877539
I've noticed smaller artists have larger donations for the number of patrons. Even if they have a cheap option, people give more. 1 dollar is basically "I gave" tier for larger artists and projects.

>>3877733
I don't have pay upfront cause I run a points system tied to my rewards and it would ruin my calculations.
Also I think pay upfront has it's downsides as well. I'm happy without it I guess.
>>3877758
I make more than that on Patreon. But that wasn't my point. I was talking in general about how much people earn from any kind of job.

how long did it take you guys to start earning some decent money? i'm essentially just starting to post my stuff online and i have around 100 followers spread across two sites, not sure how to get more. how the hell do you get more popular besides posting every day and commenting on other, more popular people's art so people click on your page?

>>3877703
As a living wage maybe not, but in the realm of Patreon artist, that's a very good one.
Most i see that are of decent quality, range from 150 to 450$ per month, with a bunch of outliers like BBCchan, inCase, etc doing much more.

>>3877771
>I think pay upfront has it's downsides as well.
Such as?

>>3877859
there is no downside. only thing that could possibly count is that a new patron might pledge right at the end of the month, then get charged almost immediately on the 1st of the following month. of course you can solve this by just putting a warning in your 'about'

>>3877856
It's supplemental income anyway. Look at their comm prices on top of that.

>>3877866
I just let them know in the thank you message that I will reimburse their first payment. This is if they pledge in the last week. Some are kind enough to Not mind the double charge

What the fuck are those jealous incels talking about?
1400 is pretty damn good if you live by drawing whatever you want and paying rent.

What do you want? Cool cars? Expensive prostitutes and crack?
Get off my /ic/ dumb normies.
PS:
but of course you just fucking jealous poorfag. Noone will see 1400$ on patreon and say "GEE...THAT'S NOT REALLY THAT MUCH XD"

>>3878115
Let's talk taxes.

>Self employment tax, 15%
>income tax
>no meaningful expense deductions
You're looking at like 11k a year net. Not bad but you make more working part time at Walmart. It supplements commissions.

>>3878135
>Self employment tax, 15%
Ah i get it lol.
Im from Germany and there is no such thing.
I guess for an amerifat being raped by goverment its not that much,
I however living drawing random pictures buying videogames and toys and not caring about anything.
>>3878135
>Walmart
never been in Walmart. but i heard its being overrun by fat people that walk around with shit-pants in USA

>>3878152
The 15% is social security/Medicaid, which is equivalent to your, what is it, 60% tax wedge? You can't leech when you're self employed here unless you don't make any money.

Walmart pays an average of 12 bucks an hour. Better than the minimum but still shitty. Sharts in the Mart are part of the entertainment alongside buying your socks, groceries and guns.

>>3878163
>self employed
im unemployed. Nobody asks me questions.
>>3878163
>Walmart pays an average of 12 bucks an hour.
good for you amerifat, but i'd rather be drawing because drawing is the only thing that matters for me
plus if it will pay my rent and some of my desires.

You have to be a complete faggot to hate having 1400$ per moth while being a freelance artist

>>3878170
I still got payments on the trailer and muh truck. 1400 is my entertainment budget for the month.

>>3878175
sure thing timmy

>>3878152
Spoken like somebody that never had a job.
>>3878170
>im unemployed
You don't say. ROFL

>>3878661
never go full retard

>>3878686
Random internet meme comebacks won't make you look less irrelevant, crab.
You are the epitome of /ic/. You speak of stuff you have no idea about. No experience whatsoever, but you act like you know everything.
/ic/ in the flesh.

Walking human garbage.

>>3876726
Why is porn so fucking easymode

>>3879115
I am guessing you make bank with it, right?
ROFL

>>3879115
Everyone here says porn art is easy mode, but their figure drawing is always a couple levels above the concept or illustration guys

>>3879111
>that butthurt over the fact that im earing with porn more than him
Yikes!

>>3879115
Stay mad poorfag

>>3879121
>their figure drawing is always a couple levels above the concept or illustration guys
people who say that usually both shit at drawing and poor. So they mad because they will never reach any of those 3 aspects (quality, attention/fanbase and money).

>>3879197
>>3879194
You're a hooker and your drawings are shit.

>>3879190
Not really. I mean, if you were making bank with your art, you'd have to pay taxes. And you say you aren't even self employed.
You either do minimal wage or less, or you are talking out of your ass.

Btw, this is my patreon
https://www.patreon.com/BBCchan

I pay taxes for what I do.
How about now you show me your art. Maybe I'll actually be salty that you are better than me at the whole porn art thing. Let's see.

Just made a test page for the hell of it and I went straight to the approved launch page. I either didn't trigger a review or triggered the "instant access" somehow. I literally put the bare minimum and still got in.

>>3879197
that guy literally has no pelvis

>>3879121
>porn artists make bank because they have skills

>>3879242
Exactly. Just look up jay naylor for example.

>>3879223
Anyone cat get approved. It's not like it's an exclusive club.

>>3879220
>>3879210
Dude that's a loot of unhappy poorfag level of butthurt.
Im a porn artist that loves to draw lewd stuff and get couple of thousands of dollars per month.
You are some unhappy bitter poor faggot that whines in vietnamiese hot wheels collecting baord.

What a loser

>>3879257
Dude, I'm not the one writing stuff like
>>3878152
>>3878170
And I also love how your tone suddenly switched from
>that butthurt over the fact that im earing with porn more than him
to
>m a porn artist that loves to draw lewd stuff and get couple of thousands of dollars per month

Stop acting like human garbage and people won't call you human garbage.

Still not confident enough to post your work, but confident enough to talk like an asshole?

>>3879257
Haha whatever floats your boat, but don't delude yourself that you make money because of quality. Bet your work is not even a tenth as skilled as the shitty bara porn you posted.

>>3879197
>>3879257
>>3879220
soulless meaningless degeneracy corrupting the world
>i get sheckles tho
This shit all needs to burn, gook

Soooo I made a Patreon as suggested here.
Can I make ANOTHER Patreon page for another project?
If I "launch" after review (I got approved instantly) what is going to happen? Do I get my pathetic Patreon page straight up on the frontpage where everyone can shame me?

>>3879257
Your art is neat, just ignore them. Everything is so nicely shaded and well done . Do you have an art account where I can follow you on? Jeese so good.

Both an illustrationist and porn artist can be equally as good. This whole argument is pointless, a waste of time.

>>3879261
>>3879261
>Stop acting like human garbage
>>3879267
>This shit all needs to burn, gook
kek
bitter poor /pol/fag.
What a sad sad person.

>>3879322
>Calling you out on your asshole behavior makes me an asshole.
Okay.
>>3879306
This is not their art.
They are posting random stuff from different artists.
As I said, they are full of bullshit. Probably an /ic/ NGMI that is pretending to be a porn artist.

>>3879322
Do you realize it's a bunch of different anons shitting on you because you are an obnoxious faggot with a horrible personality and shit taste?

>>3879322
>>3879257
where the fuck are their pelvis's? do these retards not know basic anatomy?

>>3879362
And? doesnt make them less of a pleb

It's a fucking bad joke that demented shit like this is allowed on Patreon but have a blonde chick in a wheat field with any type of black sun type symbolism etc gets kicked

>>3879458
>Sexuality it demented
>Antisemitism is okay
kys retard

>>3879480
>censorship is good when its what i dont like
no u

>>3879458
>It's a fucking bad joke that demented shit like this is allowed on Patreon
The only joke here is the thing that came out of your mother's ass at the day you was born.

Fucking poorfag.

>>3879458
Just replace the black sun with a black cock and you can put the wheat maiden back on your Patreon.

>>3879518
By how much you insist on calling people poorfag I suspect you make 200 fucking dollars being a little the little whore you are.
>inb4 cropped shot of a patreon page where anon makes 50000 a month
yeah sure

>>3879530
Shut up poorfag.

>>3879296
Aight I went through with the launch and everything, and the pages are more or less functional. What happens to the page if I don't link it anywhere? Is it effectively hidden from sight? I feel like it's super premature to show my Patreon to people and I opened just for the change in pricing.

>>3879520
This...

>>3879458
lol faget

>>3879573
Should be good

>>3879516
Then both should be allowed. Why the fuck do you compare it to porn if you are so openminded?

>>3879296
this is something I kinda want to know too,
can you have two separate accounts connected to the same paypal?

>>3879734
>both should be allowed
Now you're getting it!

>>3869536
my main gallery updates like 2-6 times a year
my private clients come to me even when my stuff is closed, the people who know what I draw tend to refer to my gallery as an iceberg, lots of it is hidden. you'd be surprised by how much money you can make if you're willing to draw characters from other artists without their consent doing things they would not consent

>>3875061
You can be a webcomic artist
Are you funny?

>>3861769
Just came here to say:

IF YOU'RE ON PATREON AND YOU DON'T AT LEAST SHARE PICS OF YOUR WORK IN SOME FORM, YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD.

I must have spent thousands of dollar on patreon helping artists I like, but when I come in a patreon and EVERYTHING is blocked until you sign in, you can bet I'll just close the tab and never look back.

At least share your WIPs or something for people who aren't yet signed to your patreon, don't be a retard.

>>3879941
Don't you already follow those artists you support?

I paywall all my stuff because I update daily and dedicate a lot of time to create value for the people that support me. I put SM links in the intro in the odd case that someone who isn't familiar with my work finds my patreon and wants see my publicly available stuff

Besides that patreon staff tells you that nsfw content should not be publicly visible in the platform not even in the banner

>>3879752
Answer my question, dumbass. How is porn more demented than antisemitsm?

>>3879754
>you'd be surprised by how much money you can make if you're willing to draw characters from other artists without their consent doing things they would not consent

>>3879754
what kind of characters do you draw, fursonas?

>>3879758
Just discovered that Dan Martin of Deathbulge makes 250$ a month

>>3879458
KYS you repulsive scum

>>3861769
>decide to create a Patreon page
>don't know what to put in ABOUT

>>3880128
And that's why dumb people are NGMI.

>>3880017
this

>>3861773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

>>3879941
im planning posting a picture with dick/balls blurred and saying "you can see the rest on patreon!" or something like that

>>3880463
This is the same as paywalling stuff.

>>3880482
So?

>>3880482
>This is the same as paywalling stuff.
not at all, if you not a total autismo

>>3880501
Patreon isn't a porn paysite. If you use it that way, you won't get the support you would get without paywalling your stuff.

>>3880507
Stop defending bad business decisions, dumbass.

>>3861769

If you don't want to paywall stuff but still want to give your patreons some added value, could releasing your finished work on Patreon exclusively first be a good idea? I'm thinking maybe a week before you upload it on other platforms.

>>3880517
>Stop defending bad business decisions, dumbass.
Buttblusted /pol/ poorfag you are way too easy target to spot.

>>3880537
Oh, it's you again. The idiot that makes no sense and keeps spouting "poorfag" at everyone.
Are you on the spectrum? You must be on the spectrum, right?

>>3880539
Stay mad poorfag.

>>3880539
Says you, the guy who thinks that by making an incentive for people to pledge is a bad business decision. The only people who are missing out on the work a person makes are the ones who don't want to support.

>>3880571
Patreon is a platform where fans can support creators they like. It's not a platform for selling art.
If you paywall your stuff, you will lose a lot of support, because you'll be labeled as greedy.

Just as this anon said
>>3879941

People that want your stuff and don't care about supporting you in the first place, will find other ways of getting it for free.
There's no point in paywalling on Patreon. Instead use your art for promotion.
Don't be dumb and greedy.

>>3874522
>telling strangers your income
>what could go wrong?

>>3880670
Yeah, what could go wrong? I don’t know. Neither did the other guy. It’d be nice if someone explained why they chose not to disclose that, even though so many other Patreon users do with no apparent consequences.

>>3874522
People are more eager to support you if they see you have not reached your milestone yet...i think

>>3880664
I think you are being a bit naive or oversimplifying this

I'm not saying that group of people doesn't exist but that is just a group there are others who want to support you against an incentive or just want to acquire something you offer (hence why charging up front is unfortunately necessary)

For instance I have noticed that I get more patrons when I put up an illustration that has a nude version or I announce a new kind of reward

>>3874901
I have made a Patreon already because of the May thing, but I'm going to start it when a follower tells me "you should start a Patreon".
I imagine it's like in Monkey Island when the pirates tell you "You are good enough to fight the Sword Master".

>>3880664
Is there any data regarding this, or it's just gonna be a tales from the ass kind of argument (from both sides)?

Anyway it seems to me like there's 3 kind of public you encounter:
1. People who'd support you no matter what.
2. People who'll be pushed to support you if pressed (by a paywall for instance).
3. People who wouldn't support you no matter what (either they don't care or on principle).

1st group you shouldn't worry too much about, because you'll give them everything you do regardless of the paywall, 3rd group is pointless in trying to chase, so it's the second group that makes a difference here, and why i think the paywall works (on principle at least).
Of course you just gotta have enough work out there to make you still visible to the people who never heard of you, but that's why you have SFW variants available for everyone and maybe the occasional free NSFW pic as well.

As for the people that claim to be so offended by the mere thought of a paywall, that they refuse to pay, i'm just gonna go ahead and fit these people in the third group, just a delusional (or disingenuous) sub group of it.
They were never gonna pay anyway, and they just need an excuse to feel good about it.

>>3880904
Not that anon but is there any difference in charging upfront?
When I made my pages I just selected it. I don't think anyone cares if I take the 2$ now or later unless they want to cancel the pledge.

>>3880664
>If you paywall your stuff, you will lose a lot of support
Spoke like a true retard that dont even have patreon.

WHY people replaying to this buttblasted faggot even. holy shit

>>3880930
I'm not that guy, I can only speak about my experience.

Sometimes I like to reach out and find new artists, I go their patreon pages and if I find the background interesting, I'll scroll the page down, if I can't find anything there, you just lost a chance to impress me and make me want to pledge.

Like for example see how sakimichan does it, she has WIPs and even posts her full artwork, she always did that. Her only stuff hidden behind a paywall is her porn.

I mean IDK, maybe other people get curious when it's all hidden and search for it on other sites, I just don't give a shit and search for other artists.

>>3881004
I think it's legit to showcase at least done of your work. It's really off putting to see a page full of locked posts and sometimes not a single image in the about. But I'm taking about SFW pages, I have no idea about porn.

>>3880919
It just seems like a good practice, as long as you make people aware of it in the main page.
Pretend pledging, grabbing everything, and then unpledging, was way too common anyway.

>>3881004
I think most would go for SFW open to everyone, and NSFW variants (+ some extra work i guess) for Patrons only.
This way you have stuff to show everyone, but also value to offer your patrons.
I just don't believe in the idea of offering everything for free, and using Patreon as a tip jar, because people will not fucking pay ( i know i probably wouldn't).
It may be sad, but it's just how the brain works, i think, pay what you want is a good recipe to get fucked (unless you're incredibly popular, but not everybody is Radiohead).

>>3880904
>Is there any data regarding this

Patreon itself recommends that you paywall SOMETHING. People are more likely to buy into higher reward tiers if you offer them something Johnny Poorfag can’t just grab off your Twitter.

>>3880770
I think it's better to use gumroad for selling your art.

>>3880904
I'm just giving an opinion of course.
>>3880930
I have a patreon and it's doing really good.

>>3879941
>>3881014
All my work is public in my galleries, I just post the high resolution to patrons only but I don't bother with the normal posts on patreon because it's all available on my social media.
Would this apply or do you mean artists who paywall everything completely?

>>3881044
Sure, I agree with you, don't show everything, but at least show something.

It's also why shops have glass windows, you can look at shit and receive your impressions without even commiting yourself to entering the shop and talking to someone. But after something catches your eyes, you're committed and now you want to look at even more shit.

>>3881755
Once in a while, post the art to the public just to have something that isn't hidden. Like every 2 weeks or so, at least someone who isn't subscribed will have something to look at.

Or at the very least put links to your galleries very visible in the front page.

>>3873126
not the same guy but i am good for "creator" ?

>>3880041
I posted this in a similar thread but it's always someone's first time hearing about it, observations about successful (ish?) webcomics with examples
>>/ic/thread/S3823318#p3831620
The 'Merryweatherey' post mentioned above. Brace in case of jealousy, though, he's successful but he didn't get that way by the sweat of his brow
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/106130094/#106151492

I do a webcomic. I have about 80 patrons, but a high volume of them are $5+ and I think I can get more $1 pledges if I make that better.

Whats some stuff I can offer at the $1 tier?

>>3882737
Well what are you offering for the $5 tier?

>>3882648
Isn't looking at these extreme cases, like opening a Youtube channel, because PewDiePie makes millions every month? Statistically, you're not gonna get there, especially not with a webcomic.
Welcome to try though, also welcome to play the lottery, some people win.
I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, mind you, just to keep the expectations in check, and always look at the big picture.

Can we talk about "artists"/people who abuse Patreon and how to shut them down?
There's one "artist" that puts in their tiers that they wont draw "certain things" but still draws them off patreon, some being mlp, underage, etc. however they took that down when they got exposed and then put it back up when people forgot soon after.

>>3882757
Put their name here anon, I won't tell.

>>3882777
Lonbluewolf. Furry shit.

They used to post on /co/ and /trash/ but ran off when they started acting because they couldn't hand the consequences of their shitty behaviors, one reason is that they can't take criticism at all, for example their perspective and anatomy is REALLY BAD, they keep running from several sites burning bridges trying to pocket money along the way.

why do several artists have this shit behavior?

>>3882811
I dunno, but most importantly, why do you give a shit?

>>3882757
>Can we talk about "artists"/people who abuse Patreon and how to shut them down?
fuck off faggot

What you guys think about leaving the rewards as is? My Patreon is basically a premium version of my SM. I don’t have terms I just post everyday and don’t erase my past rewards. Some day I might only post a 10 usd reward, another day a 5 usd one, etc..

>>3875363
I would do $5 as the nsfw tier and $10 as the "choose what I draw" tier
Make fans easier if your good stuff is cheaper and people who end up becoming your fans will end up wanting to interact with you in some way aka polls, commisions, etc

>>3882737
>Whats some stuff I can offer at the $1 tier?
I have no idea but they get to see your sketches I imagine? Maybe a Discord server.
I have no followers and no experience with Patreon but I made a 2$ tier with sketches and a Discord.

>>3882648
I think it's just a big fucking lottery, like >>3882753 said. And it's not even a lottery that pays that much.
You can be a legit professional tier artist, you might get hired once for a thing that flops and never get hired again. Or you might get hired once in a blue moon to work on a project that might fold. If you are a comics artist you're dependent on publishing shit, house styles, you need contacts, gigs are few and far between, if you want to become popular on your own you have to pander hard and even then it's not really that sure that you'll get popular. Ideas alone don't work for shit unless someone somehow puts your work in the spotlight and you go viral. Skills don't really get you anywhere, if you look at the quality of the work that is popular it's mostly mediocre, people don't care. They care more about volume, but now the standards have risen a whole lot so you can't make a comic in MSPaint that updates 4 times a day and get popular. So it's all just fucking random. It's luck.
In the end, there's only ONE surefire way of making consistent money: porn. Porn is the only thing people will always want, will always pay for, will never get tired of, and it's 100% guaranteed to make someone horny regardless of style or content.

>>3882757
>There's one "artist" that puts in their tiers that they wont draw "certain things" but still draws them off patreon
that looks like most of the porn artists here

>>3883721
Yeah, i'm a wanna-be comic artist that *had to* fall back on porn to even have a shot at getting paid.
I'm certainly not above mediocrity, but even if i got better, i don't think i'd have many chances.
It's depressing at times, but there's not much i can do about it.

If i ever get a good porn patreon going, maybe i'll be able to carve some free time to draw my own SFW comics, and just publish them, whether people care or not.

>>3883744
I draw porn too but I can only draw my fetish for myself, I can't possibly take commissions from people and just draw what they want. I didn't learn art for this shit.

>>3883703
>"choose what I draw
i never understood such tiers.
I wont include this because its basically allows them to sort of do 10$ comissions of a full color/finished drawing?
what if i DONT want to draw what they want?

people can get upset if they suggest "Hey can you draw Misako from my favrit animu?? xdD XD" and if i say no - i dont they will get disappointed

>>3883747
>I didn't learn art for this shit.
Me neither, but i'm in a tight spot atm and can't really afford to turn down shit.

>>3883786
If it's a 10$ tier, it has to be a poll, so you're still deciding on some level.
Unless you have literally 3 patrons at that tier.

I only sub to patreons that give tutorials.

Aside from Sakimichan and WLOP, are there other good patreons for art tutorials?

>>3882757
>someone makes money and I don't
>how do we shut them down?
The crab mentality in this post

>>3884045
How many tutorial could you possibly need, tho?

What are the best products to entice people? Either to support you on patreon or buy them off your store?

Things like CGI sets, original files and HQ images are a given.

>>3886249
Smut variants seem to be the go-to.
>But i don't want to do porn.
Then pray to whichever God you see fit.

>>3883786
>>3883802

Yeah, it's not a tier for PERSONAL requests, but for voting access.

>>3884057
>this guy makes money with criminal behavior
>MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
the Mafia mentality in this post

>>3886339
Yeah like I said those are kind of a given, but what about more tangible rewards? Do people like prints? Discounts? I've even thought about making mousepads but that's more for a store than Patreon.

>>3886396
Fucking lol, breaking Patreon’s TOS is not a crime

>>3886396
kid, stop hurting yourself

>>3886396
>they wont draw "certain things" but still draws them off patreon
>criminal behavior
save some time and just kill yourself

Is drawing NSFW the only way when you're just an average artist? I noticed there are a lot who have maybe average/below-average skills but still get a lot of patrons due to drawing NSFW exclusively.

>>3887643
The *only* way? No. The most likely to do decent numbers? Yes.

>>3887643
>Is drawing NSFW the only way when you're just an average artist? I noticed there are a lot who have maybe average/below-average skills but still get a lot of patrons due to drawing NSFW exclusively.
all famous patreon-rich NSFW artists have shit ton of knowlege and worked in industry before going full NSFW
i personally worked in gamedev few years before became gay porn artist.
Gay porn is
- fun
- arousing
- i love masculinity and these days when its "toxic" being gay is the only way to embrace it
- it pays my bills
- i use skills i learned in videogame industry actively and it boosted me over average NSFW beginners

>>3888225
Based. I Am very impressed how many bucks leaves gay porn and even more when is anatomically accurate

>>3888225
Thanks. You're a very skilled artist though! I'm referring to creators who have average skills, like those who can only do cel-shading with shitty anatomy (as an example), but still get patrons because (badly-drawn) titties. I guess what I'm trying to say is if someone is just an average artist, they won't get patrons if they only do SFW art because... it's just average and not amazing. Most would pledge to really skilled SFW artists because maybe they want to see tutorials or the process on how that amazing artwork was created. You can't really create "patron-only tutorials" if your art is only average, and I can't think of any reason why anybody would pledge to an average, SFW artist aside from already being popular before having a Patreon. Am I making sense?

Basically, from what I've seen:
- SFW artist: you must have amazing skills for people to pledge to you, or maybe have a webcomic series that people want to have early-access to
- NSFW artist: even if you have mediocre skills people would still pledge to you because they want to see tittays

Of course having amazing skills and popularity would get you more pledges for both. Maybe I'm just saying the barrier to entry is lower if you want to become an NSFW artist.

>>3888380
>You're a very skilled artist though!
i h-hope you dont assume that the pic i posted is mine..right?
why people expect anons post their real art

>Opened up a page just to get ahead of the tier system
>First Patron within an hour.

They even sent me a nice message, feels good. Thanks >>3863795

>>3887643
You have to be God tier to make money with sfw, or be popular for reasons that have nothing to do with art

Has anyone ever tried to get popular with nsfw and then slowly transition to sfw?

>>3889537
from what I read they lost all their public and had to start over

>jut do porn man it's easy mode
>you can work on your real stuff while you do the porn
>decide to start porn patreon
YAY $60 first month, then $95 on the second, then $140 on the third, then $162 on the fourth, yeah shit kinda stalled
>meanwhile become too attached to the spare change I earn from it
>keeping this humble little shit going eats most of my spare time and there's no time left for my own stuff
shouldn't have fallen for the porn meme

>>3889911
>YAY $60 first month
That's more than I earned in 7 years doing SFW. Look at it this way.

>>3889953
We'll that was acshully a year and a couple months of audience building before starting the patreon, but before I was making maybe one update every three months now I have to make several monthly thingies if I want to keep growing

>>3889911
Wow your growth and amount is almost exactly as mine, I don't know how porn-ish your stuff is but I do pin ups just like 50% of the time. My growth has also stalled this month but my current patrons are very happy with my delivery frequency and quality

Keep at it, try to maintain your current support. We gonna make it some day

How many finished illustrations per month is the bare minimum? I've read somewhere that you should post something at least twice a week, I'm slow as fuck and would only manage sketches/b&w simple stuff at this pace.

>>3890171
Seconding this
i need to know exact optimal number so i wont fuck up...

>>3889911
>162 on the 4th
How many followers do you have?

>>3890294
36 patrons and about 5500 followers on pixiv so like 6.5 patrons per thousand followers, and that's with the porn boost

>>3890566
Try doing something new. I always get a boost in Patrons when I try something different. An image set with many alts, an animation, a comic, etc.

>20k followers
>about to start a patreon
>get banned

>>3890801
banned for what?

>>3890801
Why?

>>3891411
>>3891384
they didn't say but probably this

>>3891573
did you actually named it rice loli and posted it on a normie site? Because if you did your dumbass deserves to get v&

>>3890801
Didn't you get a warning? Have you tried to contact them?

>>3891576
I won't argue that it was smart, but I haven't really had much issues until now

>>3891586
no warning, sent an appeal but waiting to hear back

>>3891573
This isn't a new thing, a lot of twitter artists that draw lolis are getting banned recently. You knew this was coming. Pretty sure there will be no appeal. Good luck, piiru.

>>3891658
Just use pixiv and baraag for Loli you dummy

>>3891573
Wait is this you?
www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=2564922
I thought you were japanese you fraud

>>3891658
>>3891573
Kek

From /ssdtg/ with love

Pederasts deserve to get puppeteer jutsud into slaughtering their families

Does anyone have experience with Ko-fi as alternative to patreon? I see it used by some artists on twitter recently and I'm wondering if it is a viable alternative for those who want more of a tip jar and less committment to rewards and shit like that. But I can't find a single artist on there who makes anywhere close to what the upper echelon of patreon artists earn so I'm wondering if it's even worth it at all.

>>3891748
By the way, how the fuck is it that a site like twitch has had an in-built donations button since forever, yet no social media site even considers doing the same? Just think about how easy it would be to monetize your art if say instagram had a direct way for people to donate money that wouldn't require any third party involvement whatsoever. Or hell, even Deviantart or Artstation, why don't they have that? That option would single-handedly ressurect their dying sites and make them competitive again against social media.

>>3891755
if you post anything to Instagram or Facebook zuckerberg automatically owns it thanks to the TOS nobody reads when they sign up for those sites. why would he share the profit with you?

>>3891774
the 14 year old TOS understander has logged on...

>>3890801
ahh, my worst nightmare.

>>3890801
>>3891810
Just don't draw stuff that is illegal. How hard can it fucking be?

>>3891858
i only say its my worst nightmare cause imagine working so hard to build a following and then you get banned for porn like what tumblr did

>>3891865
And I'm saying you shouldn't draw illegal stuff on top of already drawing porn. You only increase your chances of getting banned.
If you don't draw pedo shit, then good for you.

>>3888225
I don't think people realize how many top earners in the porn community are industry professionals or academically trained. Even mid tier earners compensate for mediocre art with relevant professional skills. I feel like the only reason I have an audience at all is my educational background and the amount of research I do.

>>3891882
These are only speculations on your part.

>>3891886
I'll withdraw the industry claim but many have been through a design/illustration program and it shows in the style and workflow. Not that being an industry washout doing porn makes you special. I'm still firm on the fact that relevant professional skills such as marketing, psychology, business acumen, or strong writing skills are better indicators for success than pure artistic skill.

>>3891895
>I'm still firm on the fact that relevant professional skills such as marketing, psychology, business acumen, or strong writing skills are better indicators for success than pure artistic skill.
Oh, I agree on that. I just don't agree that an academic education or art related job has anything to do with how good you are at marketing yourself. Imo it's too easy to boil everything down just to that.

At the end of the day it all depends on how smart a person is.

>>3891858
interesting how a pornfag with 20k followers still needs to draw illegal shit
I'm starting to believe that there's money only in the really awful shit and the paying clients are fewer than one would expect

>>3888225
your porn is shit, faggot

>>3892081
I think the right environment and background helps. You learn a lot in a short amount of time just to stay afloat. The least amount of skill you gain from education or work experience is orders of magnitude more than the average fuckwit with a tumblr has. I'm appalled at how amateur most artists are outside of their art.

The related skills we're talking about are far more useful though. It's a shame threads about it don't get any traction on here.

>>3891858
As someone who doesn't draw lolis at all but recently got warnings about a character I drew just because it looks more anime-ish than my usual ones...this shit is getting worrisome

sjw-agenda pushing is a real thing and is going to screw us even more

>>3892099
This marketing thing is even more abstract than learning to draw. Everyone says it's important but nobody ever gives any tangible advice besides basic professionalism (deadlines, etc) and it all boils down to pandering as much as possible with fanart and opportunistic shenanigans.
What if I just don't want to do this? All I am left with is "networking" which is what exactly? Bantering with other artists like I'm pretending to be their friend? They'll just treat you like a fan, and a fan is not really a creator unless they're a already a creator with enough leverage.

Meanwhile I see famous artists just retweet angry posts about Trump, their food, rants of all sorts, opinions about some stupid movie that came out and other stuff that I might easily find on my Facebook timeline, all things that have nothing to do with their art and I perceive as actually rather unprofessional. Sometimes it's even hard to find a drawing, you have to scroll through so much garbage and noise to get to a drawing and it's usually a sketch.
So I assume they interact with fans just casually like that, but they do all the work in the background? What does this work consist of? How do I go about self-publishing?
Porn or not, as someone with no followers at all I just have no idea where to start besides posting drawings that are well polished and well presented.
I get zero exposure not even because of my art, but because of the social media algorithms that simply hide my art from search results. My art just doesn't show up, it's impossible for me to make an audience just by posting my best art, and I don't believe this is a realistic way of getting a public. There HAS to be a way that doesn't suck but I don't know how.
So what the hell do I do, besides getting better at drawing I have no idea and given how my new art is almost as unpopular as my old art this is starting to make no sense. Even if I get really, really good I could have 1000 followers tops. That's nothing.

>>3892122
Oh and in many cases I see popular artists that are everything but professional. Everyone says consistency, regular updates, all this stuff. Yet most popular webcomics update like ass, they miss deadlines all the time, many of them started as side projects the artists made in their spare time. Even a few popular artists I've talked to told me they had no idea their project would pick up. I really don't understand, what does an industry professional develop that I am not even thinking about?

>>3892131
It might be that you're focusing on the outliers. The most popular stuff is going to popular mostly out of circumstance, timing, and luck. It may also be that those projects only started updating like ass after they got popular.

If you're trying to be an extremely popular artist, then maybe advice like "just get lucky lmao" would be correct, but if you want to be a middle-of-the-line artist that makes enough to support themselves but not enough to really make it big, then consistency, etc is good advice.

>>3892089
wrong. most patrons only support one or two creators, and for a lot of them its their first time using the website. at first, they might know what Patreon is or have heard of it, but that doesn't mean they're actively supporting anyone. if they decide to support you then that just means they like your content. niche audiences are just more likely to support a creator they're interested in.

>>3892509
>then consistency, etc is good advice.
consistency when you have no followers is worthless

>>3892820
everything related to art is worthless when you have no follower

bump

>>3894935
Yeah still wondering if you can have two different accounts with the same billing information?

>>3894937
>if you can have two different accounts with the same billing information?
Why you dont write a message directly to Patreon help?

>>3895084
Yeah probably gonna have to if thread is still alive I'll report back

>>3895146
please write here-yeah.
Im OP and im just at the start of patreon.
Im pretty sure i will keep this thread till the bump limit lol

>>3890801
>>3891573
>draws a lot of loli porn
>posts it on Twitter
No wonder you got banned, also you'll never get your account back