/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

i think that's the best i can do with my current ability, could have probably redraw face so it doesn't look so misformed, but that would take too much effort that could be spent on next drawing
>>3875565
>>3875599
thanks for crits guys!
>>3875972
i really didn't want to go hard on lights and darks since environment is foggy and light is dispersed, was it wrong on my part?

>>3876301
The face doesn't look misformed in my opinion.
However, the environment seems is not so clear to me, a steam engine room in a pirate ship is my best guess.
You kind of fail a bit on the metallic look of the background.


The hand near the vagina still looks a bit wacky, but the flaws in the pirate girl have mainly be resolved.

t. red text poster from yesterday.

>>3876301
i'll help you out later a little

>>3876305
floating things around her are cannons she summons
foggy environment is storm from her ultimate move
i went lazy and drew from memory instead of relying on reference, that's why things don't match

I feel lost trying to draw people for the first time
Everything I draw is some new version of misshapen.
Should I be using references?

>>3876246
5 Minutes each, where are my biggest problems? what do i need to refine first? thanks!

>>3876308
Damn it, i wanted to help him out.

>>3876332
YES ANON

>>3876335
by all means go ahead, im not a god

>>3876337
you help him first, ill help you second!

is corel painter worth the time invested to learn how to use. does it even matter? i'm looking for software that will give me the tools to create painted backgrounds with a traditional feel. brush textures etc.

>>3876341
i'm a gentleman, you first

>>3876333
you should try making a proper drawing, exercises are nice, but like in every studying process they are useless if you don't take practical exams once in a while
that said, these look okay for 5 minutes, some proportions are bit off, but probably nothing you wouldn't notice if you spent more time measuring

r8 my dragon

>>3876352
Draw the rest of it so I can jack off

>>3875370
>>3875334
Didn't get to reply in the last thread so posting here :)
Thank you so much anons! these are some of the best critiques I've ever gotten, so thank you for the help!

>>3876301
https://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cqfnbkZnai

>>3876351
i see, but... what do I grind if not exercises? I like grinding them, but I'm not sure how to take them into "reality", just grind that too?

>>3876403
half-assed

>>3876409
it comes with the video, thats the important part. anyone can do a shitty redline.

>>3876410

>>3874912
>>3874906

I finally could piece together in my head how you construct it, and i'd like to let you know how much your help was a part of the revelation.

/ic/ in general has given me more help and knowledge than I'd hope to find elsewhere (outside of expensive art academies), thank you so much!

Is it ok to study loomis while using a mannikin o made myself?, I'm using boxes and cylinders.

>>3876246
Trying to draw for my first time, just want comments on this art piece that I'm doing for a free. It's meant to be some sort of chibi style just any feedback is welcomed. Thanks :D

>>3876428
It’s slanted

>>3876414
very dumb of you. ive done this quite a few times already. Its just a video.

>>3876403
based nosebro

>>3876403
I'm not that guy, but nice vid. I definitely learned a few things.

>>3876403
that was embarrassing and motivating
gotta keep grinding my fundies i guess

>>3876403
>that undo abuse
kek

>>3875544
Angry man.

>>3876441
Angry bald man.

>>3876403
Holy shit, i'm not the guy but i learned so much from this, you are a great teacher for /beg/ anon.

>>3876437
There's no shame in mistakes, as long as you can fix them. Just continue practicing figure drawing using basic shapes (that is, if you practiced those basic shapes enough). That'll help you notice any errors right away.

help i think i fucked the light up, messy hair, my line are shit.

>>3876377
No legs, not fond of the changed eyes, missing paws.

>>3876403
>line design
>line language
What do these things mean?

>>3876246
>my shitty construction in the OP
funny enough the poses that i constructed afterwards from imagination came out much better, maybe it was hamptons cylinders that fucked me up or maybe using a thin brush

>>3876460
im schizo and i hear the lines speak to me.

>>3876478
I wish the lines spoke to me too, maybe they wouldn't be so lopsided if I heard all of their complaints.

>>3876460
Round friendly, sharp cool.

>>3876403
do you have archive of your recordings somewhere?

Fingers are impossible, I give up

Hey guys, could I get an opinion on this?

>>3876246
Any chair recommendations?
My old one recently broke and I'm looking to get a comfortable replacement

>>3876491
with the pose and weight distribution he'd fall on his butt

>>3876487
I dont know how to find em in the system. But if you like the content i recommend the one from the sideview thread as they are probably the best when it comes to assessing common mistakes.

https://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cFjXV7qQc6

https://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cFjFi5qbhk

>>/ic/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=screencast

>>3876489
I tried

>>3876491
pay attention the curves of the from anon your are making things look flat and 2 dimensional. y to use curves instead of straight lines when describing the body's shape

I feel like I‘m regressing again.

>>3876540
Reference used. Fire away.

>>3876540
>>3876543
Ok, just noticed how badly I captured the tilt of the spine myself after looking at these next to each other. Shiz.

>>3876540
>>3876543

How do I fix this poor mf? My main problem is the repetitive feathers which often start getting askew and I don't know how to finish them, and generally the elements you can't draw too obviously, like the torso which is supposed to blend in with the wings.

My perspective is shit as is my lighting. Drawing cars is not like drawing other things. Humans are organic. They're so much more forgiving if they aren't perfectly symmetrical or proportional. Cars have to be perfect otherwise you draw like a 3rd grader. I've been at this for longer than I'm proud to admit. And I'm talking about drawing from imagination not from references.

>>3876489
>>3876527
is this from jojo

>>3876570
Nah, Ai Monogatari

>>3876540
I like the construction, it's a good attempt. The legs are too small, and the angle of the hand holding the fan is off.

>>3876543

>>3876489
LOL I drew exactly the same shit a few months ago.

>>3876489
>>3876584
It's kinda interesting to see the difference. I guess this is how different styles develop.

Do you guys just draw things you want? I've been drawing for about 1 month now and all I've done are 60 pages of exercises.

I don't really mind, the exercises are fun, but I'm just wondering is this common or just me.

>>3876584
Holy shit, that's an absolutely massive coincidence. The same exact picture from an obscure OVA, what are the odds.

>>3876596
come back when you had drawn nothing but exercises for over a year

>>3876596
Draw other stuff. Do a few pages of exercises daily, and then just doodle away, whatever you want. You need to use the experience in actual drawing.

Reference used:
https://gungale-online.net/assets/images/character/img_body_pitohui_pc.png

A mirror for the pose

I don't have my studied my fundies yet, but here we go.

Pitohui from GGO aiming an AK-47 at the viewer. Criticism welcome, note that it is only just a sketch for the pose.

>>3876625
I think I made the ankles on Pito's right leg too thick.
Left upper leg has a flaw too.
Arm holding the trigger looks a bit off, can anyone tell me what's wrong with that arm?

t. PitoPoster.

>>3876625
>I don't have my studied my fundies yet
>posts a turd

how about you post a finished piece instead of this garbage, that shit is beyond bad

>>3876441
>>3876443
I remember a few weeks ago saying you should try to use more line variety, because everything still looks like it's made out of wax/butter/mud

>>3876641
Well, tell me what's wrong with it please, I'm asking for constructive criticism not "it's bad lololol"

>>3876648
He already told you to study the fundamentals. There is no criticism to give if you cannot draw.

>>3876625
well for starters you forgot to make width measurements
she is really thin, but her shoulders are still ~1.5 times wider than head and hips are 2 times wider than head

>>3876421
Noice, anon, post some studies you did

>>3876648
You drew a stick figure without any construction whatsoever. There's nothing to critique. Go read Loomis first.

>>3876625
>Face to body width is more whack than Pokemon's.
>Thin arms.
>Arms wouldn't reach the pockets.
>Gun not facing us.

>>3876658
Well, she is standing sideways, aiming a firearm, this isn't a neutral front view of the character.
Did I fuck up expressing the pose?

My calcs:
shoulder compared to head is: 132/110=1.2
hips compared to head is: 150/110=1.363

Did I measure it wrong? I used the left side (character front view) for my width measurements in this post.

>>3876246
i drew this with a reference using loomis' ball and plane construction

reference:
https://media.gq.com/photos/56a7e673edbf81cd2d06c983/16:9/w_1280%2Cc_limit/how-i-got-that-body-johnny-rotten-02.jpg

im absolutely sure i fucked up the ear and the mouth

>>3876667
>thin arms
Please look at the reference, she has thin arms by design.

>gun not facing us
wdym? Do you think it's aimed too much to the ground?

>>3876674
>Please look at the reference, she has thin arms by design.
NOT THIS FUCKING THIN

>>3876674
>being this retarded
>inb4 i was pretending

>>3876674
Thin arms is a gut feeling.
Also that bottom circle looks like it's aimed at someone's naval.

>>3876625
This is it. /beg/'s true potential has been realized. Go home lads, we made it.

>>3876679
see picture

>>3876682
Thanks, I think I need to make the vanishing line within the circle of the barrel to make it exactly firing at the viewer.

Don't you think she needs a little more underbutt though (left side of the drawing near the #3 line)?

>>3876691
>see picture
Please tell me this is a ruse.

>>3876695
Send help, I'm fucking dying here.

>>3876691
Ass size is a choice. The outfit says yes but searching her up says not really.

>>3876533
Biggest mistake is the "shin bending" on the most left character, everything else is very minor in my opinion.

>>3876540
read bert dodson's book from the book thread's beginner essentials
desu just read all of them

just starting out with this art thing
how do you use a drawing book? Just read it and do exercises as they come along? Do you linger on an exercise for a while or just move on as you finish them?
I'm starting with Bert Dodson Keys to Drawing btw.

used ref for general posture - what cardinal sin did I commit?

>>3876735
I've been going through Keys myself over the last month or two, yes you should be reading it and doing the exercises one by one
bare in mind that the author wants you to be drawing from life, not pictures (go to page 214 and he talks about it more), but the short of it is that pictures are already composed and already 2D so it takes a lot of the thinking out, and cameras are inherently worse than cameras for natural observation (1 camera vs 2 'cameras', eyeballs)

if you find yourself struggling a lot on a particular exercise and want to try it again, definitely do so, you can only gain from it
I gave up around page 100, the book would be extremely useful if you were in an art school full of students, but if you're a NEET like me with nobody to use as a reference and never leave the house you'll find it difficult, as the book expects you to draw from life all the time which can be frustrating

>>3876743
>and cameras are inherently worse than cameras

I meant eyes of course, also you might find it useful to do the upside down Igor Stravinsky exercise, it was really helpful for me
use the entire page and take an hour, just draw exactly what you see

>>3876741
how do you niggers fuck up this bad even when using a ref
look at the fucking lower legs leght
that fucking knee lmao
>natty shoulders
broken clavicle or really bad trap
wrong pelvis angle
and there's more but im not bothering

tldr;loomis

trying to draw daily in the sketchbook

>>3876759
was he having tiny legs on purpose?

>>3876761
probably bad camera angle, the body is almost equal in the length of the legs + torso :P

>>3876755
having a bad day anon?

>>3876763

>>3876754
Already gave igor a shot a while ago
I'm gonna go through the book but if there's anything i need to put any effort into obtaining i'll just use an image off google or skip it. When I finish this I'm gonna do a little victory lap and re-do all the exercises before saying goodby to ol' dodboy and hello to loomis.
I'm trying to get over a gaming addiction as meme-ey as that sounds and all the time i would have spent on vidya everyday is gonna go straight to this drawing shit.
I barely have a social life and can't manage to create one so i'm just gonna be doing this stuff like 5 hours a day when i'm not at my shitty job or sleeping. Maybe in a year or two i'll have someting in my life I can have some modicum of pride in lol.

>>3876755
I can see what you mean, calf is way too thin, and the knee is a mess on the front leg, and looks stupid. I can't see a problem with the length, referring to the ref though.

Never heard of "natty shoulders", but I assume you mean too manly, or simply largew, in which case you're definitely right. Are their placement in relation to eachother the cause of this "broken clavicle" look? Maybe lowering her right shoulder would fix this issue?

Also, the pelvis does seem to point in the opposite direction, although I'm unsure which lines make it look as if it is twisting opposite?

>>3876489

>>3876821

>>3876821
>>3876824
What book is this??

Is it okay to learn drawing using a (screenless) graphic tablet right from the start? I don't like wasting so much paper for my shitty drawings, having no place to keep them and going through the scanning process to save them on my computer. I wanted to eventually learn digital drawing/painting anyway, but thought it made more sense to learn the traditional way first.

>>3876598
lol no it isnt. you found it on google images.

After going through the first chapters of Figure Drawing by Steve Huston, i decided to dabble into Michael Hamptons book and try to do some landmarks and a simple skeleton (according to the book).

This is honestly only my second try but as of now I'm not sure if this method is for me or maybe I'm missing something? His pages on drawing simple skeleton limbs feels a bit obtuse to me and not sure if I'm using his methods right.

>>3876673
your reference is not very good. check your angles, i tried to demonstrate some of them for you so you can compare. also your ear anatomy is not very good, i will send another picture soon

>>3876841
thanks i really appreciate it

>>3876829
"The Complete Guide to Anatomy for Artists & Illustrators" by Gottfried Bammes. They use it a lot in russian academy

>>3876741
arms are too muscled

notice the right tit on the picture, you messed.
up the armpit.

Right shin/knee is wrong.

Right forearm on the picture is turned more counterclockwise.

I would take >>3876755 's criticism with a big grain of salt, he's way too harsh.

Main focus should be shin/knee area.

>>3876835
Found what on google images? I just watched the OVA last weekend.

>>3876851
Thank you for the honest and helpful feedback - I tried taking both the previous and yours upon myself:

>>3876246
any resource on pencil rendering technique?

>>3876884
hold it sideways
t. loomis

>>3876333
They're fine as 5 minute sketches. If you're in a class, your question is one that you should be asking your teacher.
If not, I would say start focusing more on finding the contours, and incorporating them. Look for the S curves, and draw more long, confident lines, instead of broken lines. Learn to make the lines flow throughout the drawing.
Also, it's time to move up from block shapes, start refining the shapes of the hands, feet, and face.

5 minute sketches are really just finding the form, and gesture, so there's not much point in focusing too hard on them - put more effort and focus into more refined work, with more time, starting from a gestural piece like this that you feel you did well. Work bigger, move to the next couple levels of refinement and detail.
Also, pay more attention to center of mass, and grounding the figure. That's a challenging thing starting out, but it can help you balance the drawing, when they're not floating in space. A simple shadow defining the ground plane is all you need, at the minimum.
You're not doing anything wrong, that's glaring.

>>3876343
Painter has a steep learning curve, and wonky interface, but it's fine as a painting app. With the right amount of practice with the tools, you can get pretty close to traditional.

>>3876880
I spotted a few differences.

>>3876404
Stop thinking of it as a grind, this isn't an MMO.

You're experimenting and practicing. If you grind exercises, all you accomplish is getting good at grinding that exercise. Art is about improving, progressing, learning, gaining confidence and skill. If you feel you're solid in the work you're doing, go up a notch or too, into more refined work. The challenge of the new will teach you more than sheer repetition.

No art class I ever took, or heard of, had students "grind" anything. That mentality is from here, where some anons have invented a bizarre version of art education in their own minds.
Other have corrupted the idea of what happens in art education into the "just draw" meme, which has some merit to it, but it should be "Just draw, with focus and guidance, and goals."

>>3876759
Oh ! This is really impressive, I love the design

>>3876548
But you have learned enough to see one of the problems. Congrats, you learned something. Keep doing that, and you'll get somewhere.
This is how you learn to draw - part of it is learning to see where you're making mistakes. That's what role a teacher takes in a studio course, it's not to hold the pencil for you, or walk you through every step, it's to help you see where you messed up.
You're learning where to pay close attention, where mistakes happen. This is valuable.

>>3876563
Feathers are challenging to even skilled artists.

Everything has a structure. Feathers form on birds in very specific ways, that are related to their function. Feathers have different shapes, depending on their function - a wing feather will be completely different than a body feather.

Get some reference, and look at the real shape of feathers (they're not chisel shaped like you have), how they lay on top of each other, what direction they face, how they change shape along the wing. Translate that into contours in your drawing.
I've researched wings and feathers for professional commissions, so I'm familiar with this - it's a pain, but once you figure out what's really going on, you can produce more solid drawings. Break it down, look at the wings in sections.

>>3876843
its not the best so i will find some anatomy photo for you. but try draw with form in mind, to make it appear more three dimensional, you can shade lightly, it really helps to understand it better.

>>3876648
There isn't enough there to make any kind of serious critique that would have any meaning. You said yourself you don't have a grasp of fundamentals, so put some time into some, and we'll take a look.

>>3876880
You're doing well. There's room for improvement, but as a snapshot in the process, you're headed in the right direction. You're still drawing what you think is there, especially on the face, but in this case, you drew something that's pleasing to the eye, and looks to be a developing style, so it's not worth harping on. Mostly, I would say focus on measuring more. You're in the ballpark, take it a couple steps further.

>>3876843
http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/07/draw-ears/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqgw_iMWwlw

i don't know what the consensus about him on ic is but his stuff might be helpful to you

>>3876934
Thank you, I can definitely see what you're saying. The pinkies aren't very visible, although I added them intentionally. I polished some of the details you've highlighted, what do you think?

>>3876973
I get that - this is my first croquis-ish (does it have to be irl quick sketches, to be croquis?) sketch, and I'm aware of the "drawing what I think is there", as opposed to what is actually there. I'm afraid of getting too dependent on helping guidelines and such - do you have any great advice for measuring without getting dependent on "extra stuff"?

I need cc and dc too

>>3877028
flip page and leave beg

>>3876246

Working on noses.

These are from imagination. I left the construction lines in on the top one to show how I'm going about building them.

Do they look like the same nose? Is this symbol drawing? Anything I should be doing but am not?

>>3877004
Other than the right hand on the image has a bump in the palm where the hand begins, just remove that and you're done I think.

How the fuck do I draw big lips?
I swear to god, I'm slowly improving my faces and shit, but as soon as I get to the lips and the mouth is open or at a side view I just fucking can't do it.

>>3876975
Thanks for the pointer
>>3876961
I tried again with the advice in mind. I think its an improvement, but I feel the face still looks flat in comparison to the photo.

I didn't really put any effort into the hair, but that kind of stems from the fact that I'm not sure how to draw hair.

>>3877159
Actually, I'm fucking retarded. Taking a couple of seconds to write the post made me realize that I approached it wrong, thanks guys.

oh my god it would have been perfect if i had noticed the eye and fixed it. oh well

I can't mannequin her torso worth shit. What's wrong with me?

>>3877368
heres the ref

>>3876957
Thanks, I'll take it into consideration

How should I go further with this?
I feel like I'm doing so thing wrong

>>3877394
wrong image

Does this look right to you guys? I have doubts about that upper anatomy but if it doesn't throw you off, it's fine enough

Does this look right to you guys? I have doubts about that upper anatomy but if it doesn't throw you off, it's fine enough.
It's on paint because it started as a joke request for an /a/ thread but then I tried to get her body right, can't draw it wrong on purpose.

>>3877180
ear is a lot better now. the hair is tricky since there is smoke as well and his hair is not very conventional anyway but you might apply this http://gurneyjourney.blogspot.com/2008/04/hair-ribbon-secret.html there somewhat.

on the face its also difficult to see the form because of the lighting, it is very flat in the photo. try to see the different planes on the head. they are symmetrical so both sides from the middle line will have them, mind the perspective when you are trying to find them. you need to know some anatomy of the skull to do it well. i suggest you draw the human skull a few times from different views and try to look for pictures where the lighting has contrast. clear shadows and clear light.

>>3877395
chin area feels flat. you can trace the form with your pencil to make it appear 3d at first. I also feel that you should move your chin to the right a little, there is not enough room for the mouth and the jawbone is too narrow. also the bridge of the nose and the angle of the ear should be in the same angle. ear is now not as straight vertically as the nose is. I also feel that the eyes are too big or that the eyelids dont have enough space before touching the brow. the hole in the nose is too big, we cannot see it so much and not on that angle, make it smaller and different shape, its too wide. mouth you also need to move to the right since the jaw should also move. the upper lip is in the shadow so keep that in mind, now it looks flat. analyse the structure of the lips, do some practise drawings to understand it first. when you move the jaw, also move the chin.

>>3877444
>>3877395
i mean move both jaw and chin to the right. i meant to say jaw in the first sentences

>>3876443
>>3876647
You're right, I'll do the 5 next one using a more pressure driven brush. Thanks !

are line correction tools crutches?
my lines are kinda shaky and jagged but i think i'll handicap myself in the future if i use line correction.

>>3877563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhF4fBetN4Y

Do you guys have any tips on painting latex clothing?

>>3877596
look up references, latex is very reflective so treat its surface a bit like metal/glass.

>>3877599
That's the bit I'm having trouble with. The placement of reflection is throwing me off alot.

>>3877619
Look for edges and close surface contact.

>>3877619
treat it like a mirror, the reflection reflect the objects/place it is surrounded by and the highlights come from the light directions.

Show us an example if you can please!

How do I know where to put the red lines to show a cube and not a rectangle? Because If I want depict a perfect circle in perspective as well it should fit inside a cube and not a rectangle right? Every video I watched seems to eyeball it.

>>3877645
45 degree line in 1pp and supporting vanishing points in 2pp

Just open any book on perspective

Or you can draw a sphere and encase it in a box.Since a sphere is uniform in its dimensions, so will be the box.

Measuring methods work in controlled environments and aren't suited for figure drawing, for example.

>>3877649
The books i read don't tell how to place it to make a square with equal sides.

>>3877649
What 45 degree line? What supporting points?

>>3877652
It's the same as making a grid, you just add the height.

>>3877636
Wish I could now but I'm being a massive faggot phoneposting at work, may post it later.

>>3877645
http://www.architecturerevived.com/how-to-draw-a-perfect-cube-in-perspective/

complete and utter newbeginner here. where do I start? I know how to draw spheres and cubes, and I also get the basic gist of shading. I want to start drawing humanoids because this is where I suck.

Is "Drawing on the Right side of the Brain" still a great book to read for new artists?

Is there some other, better book I should read?

>>3877668
Vilppu's Drawing Manual (you can find it on torrents)

Watch it, take notes, try to copy what he's doing. Forget about it for a few months while studying something else like Perspective, Shading, 3D Form, whatever. Consider buying a subscription to New Masters Academy while you're at it. Then return to the Drawing Manual once again (and maybe other Vilppu's courses too).

Repeat until total absorption.

What is important to realize here is that the more you know about everything, the better you get at understanding what you're told. The process of learning is recursive in that way. You have to occasionally return to previously consumed content and filter it through the accumulated knowledge.

Good luck and be patient. This will take years.

>>3877676
Read Keys to Drawing instead. But be aware that it only teaches you the basics of the sighting, and not much else. Read it, maybe follow some of its instructions, and move on onto studying Perspective, 3d form, and how to work from the general to the specific.

yall got any good cloth tutorials? I want to get better at drawing and designing clothes for my characters. I pretty much just make everyone wear a poncho cause i'm lazy

>tfw you started drawing a character but then you realized that her fucking costume is impossible for a /beg/ to draw and you screwed it all up
Fuck it, I give up.

>>3877684
Check out the NMA videos from Vilppu on drawing drapery.

>>3877688
> opportunity to try to learn
> gives up

>>3877711
I need to learn more basic shit before I tackle complicated shit.

>>3877683
Is there a book I should read after that when I'm interested in more drawing from imagination and unrealistic objects?

>>3877712
Drapery and mapping where those patterns go on the altered 3D form of your character can be a really good way to help with fundamentals like overlapping volumes and fitting everything on curved forms in perspective. Don’t jump ship on a drawing in the face of challenge.

If it looks like shit, you tried, and probably learned something. If you didn’t, take a look at the final product and compare to reference and think about what went wrong, and don’t make the same mistake twice.

You don’t need to just study the basics, you can draw other things as well. And btw, drapery and 3D forms are basic.

Jump ship if you want to, but you won’t learn anything if every time there’s a challenge you say ‘I’m a beginner better stop’ and crawl into your hidey hole. You’ll just be drawing meh-ish anime forever.

>>3877726
There's not much else to do tho. I almost finished the linework, and it's too early for me to do the coloring because I have no idea how light and shadows work. And I don't really have any refs either since I drew that from imagination.
I think I should be doing art studies instead. At least there I would have a good way to check my mistakes instead of trying to imagine how it's supposed to look like.

Is google maps a good way to build a visual library for perspective?

>>3877720
>>3877681

>>3877720
dynamic sketching video series

>>3876839
Some more recent ones.

Studied stylized emotions by copying Bacius' manga.

>>3877756

>>3877764
And what did you learn?

>>3877764
If it's not traced, then you're not /beg/.

Hurr
Sorry about the size, I couldn't get it any smaller on this phone.
Anyways, is drawing on the right side of the brain really the best place to start?
It's asking me to do a self portrait almost immediately and that seems pretty steep for a first step

>>3877774
Just tried to enlarge my visual library by memorizing them. Most of the time I draw emotionless cute animu girl so I don't have much experience when it comes to exaggerated expressions

>>3877776
Not traced, but I thought 1:1 copying study belongs to beg thread?

>>3877795
I liked Keys to drawing or Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner better as a first book

>>3877796
/beg/ is for beginners, those who are learning the basics. If you can draw decently, then you really shouldn't post your works unless you want to look arrogant. I can see that at your level, you'd be better off critiquing people here rather than asking for critique.

>>3877796
>Just tried to enlarge my visual library by memorizing them
Symbol drawing. Gotcha.

>>3877798
Alright I'll check those out.
Thanks

>>3877808
Not sure if you are a troll or an idiot, but it's not symbol drawing.

>>3877833
You're internalizing the drawing, so you can reproduce it again later. Symbol drawing.

>>3877842
i remember when i couldn't do direct copies. i would just shit talk others who were doing them. then i when i got to the level where i can eyeball proportions no problem i realized how much i could learn from doing direct copies. you'll get there one day anon. it'll be faster if you weren't rejecting it and coping with bitterness, though. it'll help with your constructions and imaginative drawing

>>3877842
T. ngmi

>>3877847
>it'll help with your constructions and imaginative drawing
Do show.

>>3877842
I copied David's statue too, is it also symbol drawing kek? I cannot understand the logic of people like you.

>>3877860
Were you internalizing the photo for later reproduction?

>>3876540
Back again. Posting more trash I drew without reference this time.

>>3876927
Thank you so much anon! Such a good criticism! You're very kind, I'll make sure to implement what you said. Also no, I'm self studying, so no teacher.

does anyone have any good tutorial videos on Clip Studio?

>>3877868
I think you're doing good at trying to construct things. Conceptually you're on the right track of that makes sense. I like that you're adding perspective by overlapping things. That being said that kicking leg is at a really weird angle. It's turned way too far inward, it feels awkward. Also i would put a little more time into gesture. Your construction make it feel solid but it also feels hella stiff. Keep it up man.

I MADE IT
I MADE IT GUYS
SUCK MY DICK I MADE IT

>>3877688
>90% is just thigh bodysuit

just kys,also the face looks ugly as sin and her tits are non existent and the bodysiit already is offon the knee

lmao

How do I paint?

>>3877868
Looks awkward.

>>3877906
With a brush and paint on a canvas.

>>3877906
You put some color spots and strokes on the canvas and keep putting color on the canvas until a picture appears.

so... whats wrong with it?

>>3877921
jesus unless your ref had a hand with large fingers shoulder missing the eyes really close together and one of them bigger than the other, nothing it's beautiful gmi

>>3877909
>>3877912
Let me rephrase: how do I make this less shit? (not finished)
All I know how to do is stick colours down which are darker than other colours and blend them together when I want a soft gradient. Digitally I just use photoshop with one default brush and smudge it to blend. I have no idea what I'm doing.

Having trouble drawing a profile shot for keys. Any general tips?

>>3877434
Thanks for all the feedback and pointers for further study, I'll make sure to look into those things

>>3877902
But I've been drawing for two weeks, have mercy!

>>3877937
>two weeks
>surprised his drawing is DAtier shit

go on polish that turd

>>3877930
Why wouldd you draw an ugly woman?
are you retarded and gay?

>>3877946
But I'm not surprised, that's pretty much what I expect.

>>3877947
>are you retarded
Yes
>and gay
No

>>3877931
>a profile shot for keys
Clarify.

>>3877961
im doing keys and it's making me draw a profile shot

>>3877931
>>3877966
Post your attempt at drawing a profile shot?

>>3877930
Bro chill a bit. The firdt thing I notice is that your your value range is very small. This could be the because of the white background you choose. The background has a powerful influence on how you view the picture. Using a pure white background can be very distorting to the eyes so I suggest you try to use a grey or a muted colored background when you start or paint the base background color first before you start to color.

Then a good idea (if you haven't done so yet) is to make a color palette for the pieces of the image like the skin/hair etc. separately before you start mixing them together. That helps you to not get lost while trying to find the right colors and color values. Using palettes is not mandatory but they are helpful while learning or working.

I made this quick and simple little palette for you just quickly try and experiment with it. I added some darker values to the nose lips and eyes to show how different it is.

I know there is this dreadful feeling that when we have a nice bright shiny surface suddenly adding a dark spot to it feels like we are just ruining it. Do not let this feeling stop you it is okay it is natural and happens to everyone just relax in the knowledge that this is digital and you can go back at any time.

I hope this helped, if you got more questions just come back.

>>3877756
that leg is damn thin

>>3877510
ok I forgot but I promise I'll be careful next time.

>>3877921
that nearly straight line from the neck to the above of the ear is not pleasing at all. also learn how to do fingers, the have planes

>>3877966
Use reference.

>>3877970
>>3877989
well i am using reference... and it came out pretty terrible. This is about around my 3rd attempt at just trying to get an outline for a profile shot. This is the most recent one, took about 20 minutes until I noticed how off it looked and how much the main facial features jutted out too much. I know that I should keep on trying until I get a satisfactory outline through observation but is there any general rule of thumb I can follow to help me get started?

>>3877921
Parts fo the face are off, eyes too close to each other and too big, the right side of the face is too pushed in the skull is not visible at the right.

My advice to you anon is that you plan your portraits a bit more carefully. Better planning will save so much trouble later. It is not easy to plan and hit the things it taeks several revisions and even that is not a guarantee to get a good outcome. But it will help you in the long run learning to plan better and then carrying out those plans without messing up will be a great practice for you in the long run.

>>3878002
sorry

>>3877688
But anon you already did the costume

I read "Perspective made Easy" and I get the general idea of it now.
But how do figures work with background perspective? I'm having trouble with the figure mostly because its HL is all over the place (due to limbs in different angles etc.) The background perspective has a consistent HL and VPs.

Are there any resources that cover figure drawing with perspective? Please tasukete kuda-sai

>>3878004
choose a better ref, that one has flat lighting. this one is much better >>3877989

>>3878031
Thanks I will give it another shot with this image. By the way, where do I find good reference for portrait drawing?

>>3878002
Look for general lines. Like you can make a line from the top of the front of the hat all the way down to the chin, and the half way point between those two looks roughly to be where the eyebrows are, and the half way point between the eyebrow line and the chin seem to be the nose, and the half way point from the nose to the chin is the mouth.
And look for shapes. You can roughly fit in the head plus hat into a rectangle if you look past the hat flaps and the nose.

>>3878028
anon... there is only 1 horizon and the figure follows it as well, no matter how it's tilted.

>>3877978
Thank you based anon
What software/ brushes are you using? Also any tips on lighting? This is only part of a larger image. Was going to play around with neon. Do something sort of blade runnery.

>>3878039
you can check deviantart, search for "chiaroscuro portrait" or something perhaps, or just google the ancient sculptures. or just "portrait reference".

>>3878041
Thank you this is great! This definitely helps me envision the shapes a lot better

>>3878048
Thanks again I'll try that

>>3878028
Loomis covers some figure perspective in his books.
Applying linear perspective to the figure like you're doing here is not worth the trouble.

Don't know what this anon is waffling about >>3878045

cat

>>3878068
cute

>>3878068
Low effort.

>>3878067
But that anon is right... There is only one horizon and everything that's in perspective conforms to it.

>>3878078
Draw me a box in perspective and next to that box draw me another box, which is balancing on one of it's 8 corners while conforming with the horizon of the first box.

>>3878078
Bruh
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/rotatedboxes

>>3878087
Yeah shit can have different vanishing points but they are always on the horizon line. I've never drawn a cube on it's corner so i'll see what that's about but if im going of my current knowledge its edge lines should still meet at the horizon line like all objects do.
>>3878093
I don't see how this doesn't prove my point.

>>3878093
rekt

>>3878098
>but they are always on the horizon line
What the fuck does this even mean.

>>3878101
What are you misinterpreting? How can 'vanishing point is always on the horizon' be in anyway confusing. You having vanishing points, the point at which the object would "disapear" and those points can only reside on the horizon, or your eye level.
>>3878100
Do you guys just not fucking know what a horizon is?

plx some good advices about constructing figures ps no bully thank you

>>3877004
I don't think how you measure is as important as just doing it. Whatever works best for you is the right answer. The good thing about working digitally is a lot of the drawing aps have measuring tools built in, especially in Photoshop.

So I've gone and tried to draw a single wing. Before I shade it, how do you like it? What should I change/study more?

>>3876563
>>3876957

trying to get better but I dont know if I am

pic related is an elf sketch im working on

>>3878110
You're saying that if for example a rectangular box were sticking out of the ground plane at some odd angle, instead of standing flat on the ground plane, it's vanishing points would still fall onto the horizon of the ground plane in which the box is stuck in at an odd angle?

>>3878098
>>3878110
The space is 3 dimensional so vanishing points can occur on any point of a horizon sphere. Sphere not a line. Red is far and blue is near.

>>3877596
There's an artist, Serge Birault, who did some tutorials for textures like that, over on CGSociety and in 2DArtist (out of business, but you can find all the back issues in the usual places). He goes by "PapaNinja" over on CGsociety. This is from one of his tutorials, it's probably pretty close to what you want.

>>3878047
I use CLIP Studio, but the concept I am telling you applies to any software and even traditional media.

My brush is a simple Square brush that is aligned towards the line direction with some pen pressure sensitivity settings, almost highest anti aliasing.

>Also any tips on lighting? This is only part of a larger image. Was going to play around with neon.
If you want Neon and wish to portray light then the best thing I would suggest is to start with the black/dark background (as the movie poster also had black base).

Painting a neon light means you need to have one a good control over how the value and color changes as on goes from light to dark. I admit I haven't painted neon but here is the idea. The light is diffused around the neon tubes as it reflects in the surface/air around it so it become a dark and de saturated color. While inside is a whit light that is colored by the color of the neon tube so at first it it whiter but as you go a bit darker it picks up color and thr color gets stronger until like halfway and then it started to loose its color again. You can also try to shift the color towards orange/yellow a bit as you approach the white and purple as you approach the dark.

Here is how I would imagine building up a neon thing I am sure there are better ways than this but it will give you an idea how it is put together.

>>3878114
i'll give you a good advice on point of balance, yours will fall to the left. the neck and angle should line in contrapposto like that, when the weight is on one foot

what is wrong with me

>>3878143
While i don't know what you mean with the red and blue bit, i agree that you can have changing vertical vanishing points. But you can also see that the other sides of those boxes converge on the horizon. If a box in 3d space no matter its orientation were to move away from you towards the horizon, in the end it'll always vanish at the horizon because as things get farther away they appear to meet at your eye level.

>>3878182
>Water is wet.
T.hanks.

>>3878180
you are looking but not seeing. you should measure more carefully and check the angles and construct the body, i see you are trying, but you just need to be more precise

update. added some colors

>>3878213
the anatomy needs a lot of work. i suggest you do some studies on different pespectives of the nose and how to construct an eye

>>3878067
Oh boy, what a mess this turned into. >>3878045 here, the original point was that we can't have multiple horizon lines. Vp's can definitely appear elsewhere in 3d space (construct any tilted box and try it), but we can't start putting up multiple horizons on multiple levels like the original poster tried to do. Otherwise, we can't locate the viewer in relation to the environment.

>>3878180
Nothing, you're a beginner. You didn't do too bad. Focus less on construction, once you get the basic form established, and look at the masses and planes.

There are some beautiful S curves in that piece, the artist who made it has a great eye. Try to look for them, look for the gesture they were going for, the sinuous curves from the angle of the hips and shoulders. (Remember, an S curve can be backwards)

I'll give you one, for free: start at the lower left, and look at the implied S curve that flows from the hip, across the torso to the bottom of the rib cage, and then flows back left up through the arm. It's echoed in the contour on the back, on the right of the rib cage. That's the gesture.
Now look at your drawing, and figure out how to put that flow, that S curve, into the drawing, using the planes and shapes of the body. Focus less on photographic accuracy, and feel the form.
Loomis/construction for the block shapes.
Then build the flow on top of that.

Make sense? Don't worry, keep at it, it will.

Try it again. Look at the contours. Measure. Look. Find the form, the tension, the flow. It'll take you a while to learn how to do it, but that's what it's all about.

>>3876844
is there a pdf of it somewhere?

>>3878259
don't know, i bought mine. the english translation is just a few years old, so more likely is that you will find it in german if it is on pdf

>>3878259
>>3878267
Die Gestalt des Menschen in german

>>3878272
Thanks. I found the pdf in like thirty seconds with the german name.

any book recommendations to study muscles?

>>3878286
no problem. i plan on copying all the diagrams there, should be really effective

>>3878068
Youre so afraid. You hide hands, the second eye, mouth, everything. Shame be to ye.

>>3878222
so would that mean the >>3878028 's horizon line is the BG's (the orange line on the right)?
and will the figure's boxes follow that horizon line?

asking for help/clarification.
Also thanks for the tutorial recommendations and such.

>>3878295
Yes, the "background's horizon" tells us where the viewer is, based on that location all the other elements are built around the viewer. For figures, it's not generally worth it to construct a "correct" box for each limb (I've tried). You're better off using very simple, flat boxes to construct the largest elements and let your intuition do the rest.

how do i get better at looking for reference

>>3878295
>>3878307
To clarify, this is what happened to me long ago when I tried using a bunch of "exact methods" for figuring out a tilted figure's perspective. Obviously I failed with many other basic things here but the point stands. If you try to be exact, it's way too much effort for something that you could do a good enough job at with a few simple guidelines and intuition.

>>3878307
>>3878336
okay, I think I get it now; thank you very much anon!

>>3878309
elaborate. what references do you currently have and why dont you like about them

>>3878358
i currently use websites linked in the stick and such, but what i have the most problem with is poses, when i go to draw a human doing something, i usually have the action of what theyre doing in my head, but sometimes fail to translate it to a drawing, so i would attempt to find the specific pose i want

but thats where i run into a problem, sometimes my searches are futile because i do not know how to word what im looking for, and sometimes sifting through a bunch of poses on websites get tiring

Did these bad boys in two days, will finish the girl tomorrow but, do you have any tips on hair simplification? I already changed the brush without pressure I used for a brush that changes size with pressure to have more line variation/control line weight, but I'm still at loss drawing hair looking less like wax.

>>3878293
i need to do studies on all of those yeah,,,

hands and eyes are my biggest weak points by far. does anyone have any good rescources aside from pracicing fundamentals?

>>3878365
http://www.posemaniacs.com/
https://www.deviantart.com/mjranum-stock
try these out

for deviantart you need an account i think

>>3878367
not really having shadows and highlights hurts. i mean you cant really simplify it any more than you have now, using one color only. do one for me where you use shadow, light and middle tone <3 see if it helps

Wacom Intuos CTL4100 or Huion INSPIROY H640P for a /beg/?

Do I need an art glove for the Wacom? Do both of these use pen nibs? Would I be missing something going for the Huion? (I've heard Wacom drivers are shit)

Where do I post this if this isn't the right place? Otherwise I appreciate your input.

I know this is really vague, but what should I do or work on if I don't know what to do or work on?

>>3878401
Maybe do the shadows. How is your setup? It doesn't look very comfortable from here.

>>3878375
thanks anon, ill have a look see next time i get stumped

>>3878408
I didn't really mean specifically with that drawing. Also my setup is just fine. I usually draw digitally, but I felt like using a pencil.

>>3878416
oh sorry. as long as it works for you then. Sorry i can't help more

Pls no flamerino

>>3878448
disgusting roid body on bottom left. deltoids overbloated cause the upperarm to look tiny.

>>3878450
None of pic related roids.

Thanks for all the great feedback on my last sketch - have at me.

>>3878401
>I know this is really vague, but what should I do or work on if I don't know what to do or work on?

what do you wanna do? what interests you?

>>3878510
toes could use some work, they look so short. it also feels like your upper body is a little too short. the neck is also different in the ref. and it looks like the part of the leg below the knee is a little short.

>>3878510
Maybe start doing more shading? Looks like you're more then good enough with just drawing the contours.

>>3878448
Getting rid of that scratchy lines should be one of your priorities.

>>3878510
You made it
stop improving you made it

>>3878527
thank you for taking the time to critique my lines! I gave the feet some more length, and the toes and knee some work, while extending the lower legs, and moving the knees a bit into the quads.

The upper body definitely benefited from a little uplifting, and I tried to make the neck a bit more leaning into the head from the trap, and give it some length - I hope this is what you were talking about, I'm not entirely sure if it works?

>>3878555
I'll try giving it a go if you think so - would you suggest starting out with grayscale to get a proper feel for values, or go for colors immediately?

>>3878562
Assuming this is honest, I'd like to thank you. That is a very nice compliment!

>>3877688
????? but you drew the costume???

>>3878573
she's cute. where'd you get the ref?

i've been reading through Dynamic Wrinkles by Hogarth, is this book good if i just started drawing clothes?

>>3878510
are your trying to draw midgets on purpose

>>3878573
Id definitely start with gray scale.

>>3878592
She is. Reference thread from a week or two ago, I think it's stolen off NMA tho.

>>3878621
Am I drawing specifically midget-y, or does the ref look like a midget?

can someone help me with left girl right hand. Please don't mind about the chiken scratching.

>>3876333
>that hanging penis though
Childish reaction of mine but I had a good laughed

>>3877121
>no insulting comments
>no constructive criticism
>no comments at all

Does this mean they don't look bad? Am I on the right track?

>>3878643
left girl hand depends on left girl elbow my friend
currently there's a table beneath her hand

>>3876246
Ref

>>3878760

>>3878451
youre a massive retard if you think you can say someone DOESNT roid. That's nearly impossible to asses. But that deltoid ratio is a near guarantee that bottom left is a roiding faggot.

>>3878523
I really don't know anymore. But maybe you're right. I should try to draw another finished piece and see where I messed up and then fix that.

>>3877764
Bacius? This is KanColle right, is it doujin?

>>3877688
What character is this?
I want to give this a try.

>>3878830
Scathach from the Fate series.

>>3877370
think It figured it out.

>>3877868
What mannequin are you using?

Just started rough sketching this out,
maybe thought I would ask for some critique or general advice (other than "don't draw anime..."
before putting more time in the final product.

>>3878895
Also the ball (the robot she's sitting on)
isn't supposed to be to scale.
I was actually gonna shrink it all done in the end after working out the lines.

>>3878858
thanks

>>3878587
Not really. I screwed up the lines in a lot of places, made the armor pieces look flat and couldn't add any folds, so it doesn't look right at all. That's not a costume, that's just shit. Besides, the pose is dopey and the face is too long. The perspective is also kinda weird, and I'm not sure the anatomy is correct. I need to redraw the whole thing from scratch.

>>3878895
>>3878806
>>3878643

be mindful of composition as well of perspective. where the horizon line is, etc

>>3878925
>>3878869
when in doubt take it out of perspective, aka a flat side view

>>3878895
good shit anon! Here is how I would add to it. I think the torso is too big compared to the hips and below, I am not sure you wanted to create perspective with it or not if yes then I am not feeling it. I shrunk the torso and upper body a bit.

The gun between the legs feels flat I get that the thighs are thick and meats and can grab it between them but I am not seeing the deformation of the flesh or anything that indicates it. I pulled them apart a bit and shifted the position the closer leg a bit.

The rest are just minor changes, I pulled the shoulder down as she is reaching down to hold the barrel, I had a feeling that the air is moving towards the rights so I shifted some hair and clothing around to make the sleeve baggier and make the bottom of the coat a bit more into perspective.

Hope that helped. Otehrwise it is looking pretty good, hope to see it develop.

>>3878990
YOOO! this was exactly the help I was looking for, thanks man! Definitely gonna take your approach on the mini skirt area,
makes it feel less flat and helps show the flow of motion a lot more!
Yeah after I posted that image I changed her right shoulder to around where you put it. I think I was overcompensating on that with her uniform.

>>3878573
much better now, good work

>>3878925
You should take the satania guy's """""critique""""
with a big pinch of salt, I think he just shits all over every beginner all day, maybe he doesn't even have a drawing tablet himself :^)

Maybe I can give some tips to you in the evening.
I will be busy during the day I think.

>>3878612
you can check out multiple resources, never hurts to learn the different methods how it can be done

>>3877121
>>3878706
nose is a lot more complex. there are lots of planes to take note of. check this image, yours look a bit one dimensional.

>>3878761
you are sumbol drawing. the eye for example is missing the correct form of the eyelids (and missing the upper eyelid entirely!)

Completely failed the girl but tried to be more careful about my lines.

>>3876403
>virginia

>>3879032
Why are you always complaining about your lines, how do you want them to look?

Attach a pic related please.

>>3878990
Hey thanks man, tried putting in some of your suggestions, has so much more motion now thanks!
just gonna mess around with some more sketching on it
then move to the actual line art.

>>3879168
nice drawing anon, be sure to give show us when it's finished.

new thread >>3879391

I haven't smoked in a while but for a time, when I would run out of an idea, I would just get high af and go to town with paper and pencil, then clean it up digitally. For some reason when I'm stoned, my inhibition is gone and I'm not afraid I'll mess up the drawing so I just try stuff and add so many more details than I normally would that seem to come from nowhere. With this one, I ended up making a 3d model out of it that I'm really happy with. Not encouraging you to smoke by the way, I quit but it did put you into the flow state.

>>3880256
3d version

Haven't posted here in awhile. Started working on this yesterday got inspired and put down a sketch trying to practice some anatomy, then i added some values but idk. What should i change ? I think i start to slowly understand values but i rly need to study and work with colors i feel like my colors are always all muddy. Also anatomy is not perfect at all left arm looks fucked i should change it.

>>3877710
VERY good videos, thanks for the recommendation
the parts where the old as shit guy is fiddling around with the young girls legs are hilarious

Will Loomis teach me how to paint landscapes?

>iscribble is dead
Fuck. That was an easy go-to place to draw that got me to actually draw often. Are there any good alternatives?

>>3881043
Not really. He's mostly an anatomy guy.