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does anybody here have any resources/insight or information on progressing beyond the mannequin stage of drawing? This is really fucking hard even when you have studied anatomy. I've read "the marvel way" as well as the books recommended in the sticky but found no advice on how to actually do this. It's sort of a "draw the fucking owl" type situation.

Ive been researching John Buscema and Frank Cho and Jim lee, people who can just sketch and draw figures without reference. But they mostly just showcase their talents and literally never explain how they do this.

>> No.3870460

>>3870457
trace a fuck ton and then you will be able to put the information from your head (if its there in the first place) easier on paper

>> No.3870463

>>3870460
is this legit? Is all I need to do is trace over people?
Because i'll try it if you're serious. Nothing is off limits to me right now i am at a fucking wall.

>> No.3870466

>>3870463
trace over works of your favorite artists, if they are only sketches its ever better. there exist whole artbooks of various artists and settei stuff too (which is a good ref for memory drawing too)

>> No.3870467

>>3870463
Try this: pick a couple of characters and draw them in an environment interacting with each other somehow. Figure out their basic poses, then go find reference from photos and other pieces of art to help you draw the characters. Now do this many many times, different characters in different environments until you need to look up very little reference.

>> No.3870468

>>3870466
but finalize sketches, not the messy ones, thats just the artists experimenting so I dont see what you gain from that

but feel free to try it, maybe it will teach you to have looser more free lines

>> No.3870477

Similar question to op, how the fuck do I draw two characters interacting without it looking weird? The mannequin phase always ends up looking like a convoluted blob of shit.

>> No.3870480

>>3870477
Ngl I've found porn to be really helpful with getting better at character interactions, especially when trying to put focus on both character instead of just drawing a disembodied dick going up a pussy. For me its useful to be really loose and gestural in the sketch phase, and think more about how the shapes and gestures of the characters interact with each other before going into construction.

>> No.3870489

>>3870480
Thanks anon, I'll have to try that out sometime.

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>>3870477
I'm struggling with that too. Other than what anon above said, from what I've gathered it has to do with having a good sense of space.
When you start drawing the mannequin you don't focus on the perspective. You build up the mannequin and that starts to define your perspective. If you are not cognizant of the way perspective comes into being once you do this, you won't be able to believably add other things in the scene. After you draw the first character you are shackled to a perspective.
So either start out by planning your perspective, or figure it out after you draw the first character and then use that to draw everything else.
Doing studies like this might help.

>> No.3870551

>>3870531
can you get this anywhere without paying?? cgpeers only has up to the end of 2 point

>> No.3870559

>>3870457
wow, morons really love handholding and spoonfeeding to the top.

>> No.3870593

>>3870457
Name of that book anon?

>> No.3870608

>>3870559
Pyw you lowlife

>> No.3870717

>>3870551
Just get the trial.

>> No.3870736

You use 3D to aid you.

>> No.3870760

>>3870457
ron lemen

>> No.3870955

>>3870531
>>3870551

Where is this from?

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3871005

>>3870463
>>3870457
Tracing advice is crabbing, they're trying to waste your time.
If you do this kind of mannequin in pic related you simply build the muscles on top of the bones. I start with the deltoids going between biceps and triceps, for the legs I draw the rectus femoris and the vastus lateralis then I attach the adductor in the inner thigh.
Get an anatomy atlas, I recommend the apps made by https://www.catfishanimationstudio.com/

>> No.3871044

>>3871005
Since i started used this Loomis shit i Been drawing a lot better. Listen to this anon

>> No.3871071

>>3870955

Eric Olsen's (Olson?) perspective course. I think. I stopped at a certain point because those videos, at the time, weren't yet released.

>> No.3871074

>>3870457
What does "progressing beyond" mean? Does it mean drawing convicing figures from imagination? Does it mean drawing photorealistic skin? Be specific.

>> No.3871078

>>3870463
That guy is trolling you. Tracing does very little, you need to be drawing from imagination.

>> No.3871080

>>3871005
This !!my figures improved so much since i started using the mannequins

>> No.3871102

Name of the book please

>> No.3871166

>>3870593
Jintai Kaibo Manabu Character Dessin Egaki

>> No.3871175

>>3871005
Tracing is valid for illustration. When wise people mean trace they don't literally mean trace the outline but superimpose a base and use your knowledge of the figure to construct on top. For things like comics though using tracing for everything will slow you down, especially when you just should be drafting first.

The pro uses "crab advice" while the novice thinks it's pure to never rely on technology advancements in expressing oneself.

>> No.3871204

>>3871175
Tracing is valid if you're on a deadline and you're speeding up your process. It's not a learning tool.

>> No.3871236

>>3871204

Now you're just coming up with some restrictive rule someone said online and you're now just parroting it. Do what you want.