/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

rip eu

>>3866895
God needs to reset the planet.

>>3866901
And this time...do NOT make Adam and Eve. Just spawn 300 people and let it go from there.

Fuck fan "artists"

>>3866895
https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1110519627854082051

>>3866905
As much as we don't like fanart, it sets a precedent that is very dangerous to the freedom of expression by further censoring your creativity if it is deemed too similar to a copyrighted material. How would the EU distinguish moeblobs that practically look the same if one of them is copyrighted?

>>3866906
Copyright ironically enough stifles freedom of expression.

>>3866910
Overtly strict and overly enforced copyright is, as is this Article 13, the EU are going all in for the thought police approach. Micromanage everything to the point everything becomes a bureaucratic grid lock of what is and isn't acceptable.

>>3866895
Still has to go through Council vote. Screech at your representatives you lowlife NEETs.

>>3866900
>he thinks non-EU's won't be affected
Sorry bro.

Fanartists on suicide watch

>>3866905
>>3866909
My art is 100% original content and I'm worried. There's already talk that websites might simply ban Europe from access so they don't have to pay the fines / install the software. Imagine not being able to access platforms like Twitch or DA, if your exposure is already low, without these platforms you're pretty much fucked.

>>3866921
Maybe companies will stop serving the EU, instead of applying a filter on their whole site.

>>3866925
>Ban Europe
UUNNFFFF YES. People will maybe finally begin to protest about something that actually matters.

>>3866934
Hahaha aaah. No, no they won't. Europeans are useless.

>>3866925
>>3866927
>ban Europe
That's ridiculous. That's like a quarter of the planet.

>>3866944
Imagine being a moderately sized platform (not Google, not Facebook), say DeviantArt. The threaten you with fines if people upload fanart on your site. You have to make huge expenses to buy rights to shit and overhaul your site to install copyright robots, also expand your customer support because there are going to be tons of false positive... or you can simply ban Europe. I'd just ban Europe.

>>3866924
why would furry porn get banned by A13

>>3866956
pokemon

>>3866934
>UUNNFFFF YES
>Hahaha aaah
What the fuck?

>>3866906
How out of touch are these old fucks running the EU when even fucking Youtube warns against Article 13, it's like they don't even use the internet.

>>3866895
Oh shit, it actually got passed?

Thank fuck I moved to Japan. Fuck the EU. Looks like I left just in time too.

>>3867004
Apparently some Swedish people pushed the wrong button when voting. LEL
https://boingboing.net/2019/03/26/jfc-fml-jfc.html

>>3867008
How you holding up in Japan weeb friend?

Shit like this has happened a million times by now. There is a huge uproar on social media, copyright censorship etc then everyone forgets about it and nothing actually happens.
What's different this time?

>>3867012
It’s pretty damn comfy. Food is amazing, and tons of qts wanna hang out.

I get a small place all to myself too, so I can spend all my free time drawing, and it’s cheap enough to let me put away about $1000 from my paycheck each month into savings.

Country’s really pretty too, and super convenient.

I really like it here.

>>3866956
God invented animals.

>>3867017
This time, tge screeching didn’t stop shit from getting passed. It actually went through, and people are boned.

>>3867022
and what will happen now?

>>3867018
I wish you well senpai, I'll think about you in the attempt to live vicariously through your success.

>>3867018
What are you doing there, work, studying? Are you handsome ayran gaijin or something?

>>3867025
Everyone is fucked, especially in the EU. It’s likely EU countries will just straight up get banned from large social media platforms like YT, Twitter, etc...

>>3867017
It actually passed this time.

>>3867029
Cheers anon.

>>3867032
Working towards getting a manga published actually, so I can live off my own creative work.
>Are you handsome ayran gaijin or something?
Actually yes. I’ve always been fairly attractive, cept Europe has lots of very attractive people, both male and female, and I’ve always been more introverted, so I never really stood out. Here I get a lot of positive attention though, so that’s been really good for my confidence.

>>3866895
Nice, less competition for the future.

>>3867034
Knowing my luck, some random drawing of mine will get retweeted by Miyazaki himself and I'll go viral 30 seconds before Europe gets nuked from the internet.

>>3867040
Nice one mate, where you living in japan?

>>3867050
Kawagoe, it’s like an hour from Tokyo by rail.

>>3866895
>"Oh no, artists will be forced to get creative and actually create something original instead of lazyly drawing porn of (insert current trend animugrill here) en masse
Whoa, it's like, you have to put in effort now.
>Are we witnessing the deaths of fandoms and the birth of OC fags?
No. We will just witness slower social media growth for artists since normies will not bother with "non-fanart."
>What would this mean for the trendhoppers such as the bowsette fags who create fanart made copyrighted content in Europe? Is the gravy train over?
People will find a way to go around this.
You can still sell privately but, ya can't wave your porn of X anime around to get followers.
So, trendhoppers who shit out fanart will die off.
Personally, i do not mind the complete ban of copyrighted content since i don't post my work on any social media and i like drawing my own stuff.

Also, copyright law is more complex than:
>You can't post this stuff because it belongs to someone
>ON THE INTERNET
Or well, if Article 13 was made like this, you will see the EU disbanded or killed off by the end of the year.

>>3867018
You had to learn Japanese though?

>>3867078
I’m not fluent in it by any means, but I do know some of it. Learning Japanese is practically a requirement though since most people here speak a lick of English. On the plus side, it means that Pixiv becomes a lot more useful since you start being able to understand what’s being posted, also, easy access to 5ch too.

>>3867017
>then everyone forgets
Youtubers are reminded about this every day by corporations stealing their money without any chance to appeal.
Also
>that time when western estrogentendo division nuked a bunch of fan artists on tumblr

>>3866903
*spawns 300 jews*

>>3867018
qts as in OL?

>>3867113
*oy vey noises*

>>3867086
How many years did it take you to get to a usable level of japanese? Did you get any formal education on it? I've been eyeing out /djt/ for a bit now and I'm very much so interested.

>>3866956
digimon, disney, sonic etc

>>3867183
About a year, no formal education, just did what /djt/ said.

Also, by useable, it’s like, “enough to get by” you can read signs, and pick up words here and there, and say enough to communicate like a caveman so people know what you want. Some basic phrases and whatnot. Benefit being though, that once you’re here, it’s pretty easy to find Japanese girls who wanna learn English that will happily teach you Japanese in the process and correct all your mistakes.

>>3866895
We all gonna make it.
Sites will want huge amount of stuff

>>3867090
>that time when western estrogentendo division nuked a bunch of fan artists on tumblr
BASED nintendo crushing the cockroaches of the art world

I mean its gonna cause issues as people false flag and lose shit till it gets put back, but in general fanart and shit will fall under parody use, as long as you aren't trying to profit off someone elses shit directly, theoretically should be fine, practicality its just a waste of time and money and is circumvented in seconds

>>3867018
Are you the esports manga guy?

>>3867542
this.
though fuck those people that sell merchandise with fanart on it, create your own fucking characters to sell

Does this mean that popular artists who make their money for food and rent through Patreon will get fucked unless their products are all original? sounds rough.

>>3867556
Yes.

>>3866895
Don´t you worry, Europeans. South America will fill the gap.

>>3867075
Regardless of how you feel about fan artists, this is a bad move and you know it. This could lead to a lot worse.

>>3867564
Dude fanart is the only way to sell. When I was way shittier at drawing I made fanart of things I wasn't interested in for the sake of getting views, the fanart was terrible and insincere and I got hundreds of notes when I used to get none at all. I could open up commissions. I quit doing fanart since then and now only I draw original content, I'm 10x better at drawing and my ideas are heartfelt, like I put all of my passion into it, and when I post drawings that take me days of hard work I get 3 likes tops. Imagine this situation, and you feel pressured to, y'know, eat.
It's absolutely shit that you have to trend hop like mad, sell fanart, and pander to people in general, but that's just how it is. Nobody cares about your original content, at this point not even porn is a guarantee if it's not fanart, and the chances that you somehow get popular with your comic are one in a million and often completely independent from the quality of your work.

>>3867814
This. Sometimes you need to pander in order to make a living. That's how it is. You're gmi.

>>3867018
Sounds fucking comfy desu. I would move to Japan if their language wasn't so retarded.

>>3867920
>You're gmi.
No I'm NGMI because I felt horrible doing it and I quit immediately.

So what's /ic/'s deal with fanart? Do you guys just dislike it when people reel in normalfag patreon bucks from it or do you hate all of it on principle regardless of if profit is made?

>>3867997
Would you argue that artists, aka creative people, should create new things? I mean the whole point of making art is using your imagination and shit. Instead it turns out that you have to draw the new pokemon getting dicked within 24 hours of the game's release. That's objectively shitty, and if you ever tried pandering for cash you'd know that it feels extremely dirty (unless you have the dignity of a camwhore).

I think instead of the rest of the Internet adapting to accommodate insane europoor legislation, we should instead just block europoors out and tell them to make their own locked-down Internet, like North Korea

>>3867786
>this is a bad move and you know it.
If i had my own domain and wanted to lower the risk of getting sanctioned due to my users uploading content they shouldn't then, of course this is a bad move.
Most people don't even think about why every major social media was shilling the whole Anti-article 13 propaganda.
It's because it will heavily slow down their activities since even the world's whole population couldn't create as much original content in one month as all the stuff that gets uploaded on youtube in a day.
>This could lead to a lot worse.
If any state/government would want to ban any type of expression, they'd do it.
Who's gonna stop them?
People who are forced to work 24/7 and can't even bother to catch up to current events? Which make 70% of most civilized countries tot population.
The 10% who consist of minors, unemployed youth and social rejects, who get willfully ignored because they are valued as less than nothing?
Or the 20% retarted faggots who can't think outside their allowed intellectual capacity?

People ain't gonna do shit except adapt and exploit any given sets of rules.
This is going to be the same. And when laws don't work, they get changed.
This whole hysteria around this subject is just another business trick to get people to side with the big names so they can keep making money off whatever greyzone actiivity they are living on.
If the big corps didn't feel threathened by this laws, you would have seen them trying to initiate active cooperation with the EU instead of
>We're the good guys
>They're the bad guys

>>3866895
The corporations won.

>>3868074
/pol/ and white people btfo
jews are the masterrace

>>3868069
>If any state/government would want to ban any type of expression, they'd do it. Who's gonna stop them?
By chipping away at it, bit by bit, to lessen the red flags.

>>3866895
It's difficult to care about this sort of thing because there has been a lot of similar hysteria before and it is difficult to imagine how they will ever implement this without everyone simply circumventing it like always

Wait & see. I'm both worried & excited about this change.
My only question now is : is it retroactive? Will my galleries risk getting cut in half?

>>3868306
Not the point, Anon.
If a country wants to go to war, it doesn't matter what the people want.
Soldier must follow orders or they will be accused of treason.
And the average Joe might voice his concern but, what will he do? Nothing.
Because the average citizen can't be actively bothered to follow and enforce greater justice.
You only have a right to live because you either pay taxes, consume products that enrich others thus they pay more taxes or you are just a gear in the big capitalism machine.
Nobody has freedom, everyone is just allowed to be by the higher ups. And how they allow you things, they can prohibit things.
But, hey, just gotta work 50 years to be allowed to retire and live on foodscraps for the next 10 years until i die of natural causes.

>>3868457
Everyone has a breaking point, otherwise the French Revolution wouldn't have happened, the Russian revolution wouldn't have happened, etc etc.

>>3868578
Yeah, good point but did those people have entertainment on demand, the internet and porn?
You're better off solving cold fusion than starting a revolution.

>>3866944
The IT, copyright, risks of being fined and copyright costs would skyrocket. It's much easier and better to ban.

This is just a part of the ISPs and content powerhoues' multi-stage plan to filter out content, assign to a hierarchy, and both control and fine what you get to see.

It began with net neutrality - different internet packages, and individual images and copyrighted concepts come next. Soon you won't even be able to mention these things without bowing to corporate masters.

Just wait. Darkness is coming.

>>3868636
I obviously hope not but the internet is kinda too good to be true. And history has consistently proven we can't have nice things
It's seriously unbelievable that Article 13 actually did pass

>>3868636
This can't be possible. The internet is way too important. It's more important than anything else that came out so far combined. People fucking live on the internet, businesses exist solely thanks to the internet. This shit will not be finalized, right?

>>3867040
how do you support yourself in the meantime? Are rents really that reasonable there?

>>3866895
>Are we witnessing the deaths of fandoms and the birth of OC fags?

I remember up through the mid, even late 2000s it was common for people to become popular off of original art. So its not like this is unthinkable, it used to be the case for lots of people and it could happen again.

>>3867294
You're probably just tall and handsome Anon.

>>3868018
>People can't draw porn becaise they aren't giving their money and attention to me
People defending article 13 in a nutshell.

>>3866895
It's impossible to manually check every piece of art that it's uploaded to a website to see if it is fanart or not.It's also impossible to use an automatized process since a robot woudln't be able to tell if someone drew a copyrighted character or not because the multitude of art styles that exist.
Therefor websites might just straight up ban EU from uploading content, youtube pretty much said that they might since they don't want to face repercussions.

>>3868813
I am not defending Article 13 because Europe would simply get banned from platforms and I don't want that. Actual artists are fucked either way.

>>3866934
We did in Germany there were almost 200k on the streets and it kinda helped turning some votes but the rest of the EU didnt do shit

Thank you music industry for this you fucking jews

>>3866895
It's a directive, by the way. Not all countries are going to follow these rules.
As an euro I'm still very confused about what the fuck is going to happen.

>>3868604
We truly live in Huxley's Brave New World. This is absolutely terrifyi--hey is that a new video by my favourite funnyman? Man I gotta watch that and then spend hours posting on taiwanese finger painting forums, maybe read some doujin later and eat some pie

>>3868813
Whose fault is it that we got Article 13 in the first place?
>be faggot
>draw porn of protected IP bcuz muh fanart
>ask money for it
>post it everywhere bcuz muh publicity
>hurr durr how else am i gon maek it?
>start making money off a product that isn't even yours
>don't pay royalties to the original holders
>tarnish that IPs image by pornifying a child's cartoon
>be overall a total degenerate
>muh frridum of exprushon
>some govt decides to crack down on such abuse by giving people more power over their creations
>hurr durr u just jelly if u r 4 moar rigulashions
You will never be able to undestand how good it feels when the trashman finally starts doing his job.

>>3869367
>tarnish that IPs image by pornifying a child's cartoon
You likely wont even run into that unless you're a degenerate yourself.

>>3866895
>Europoor artists will be forced to create OG content
Good, I can see this being a big push towards something good. Creativity thrives in oppression.

>>3867294
God fucking damn it I'm going to learn japanese too

>>3869367
royalties shouldnt be a think in the first place, or copyrights for that matter

they are the leftover of an era where every joe could copy a new invention, so copy rights were made to protect inventors which would had not bother putting in the effort to come up with an invention in the first place, whats the point if its going to get stoled anyway?

but now copy rights became a tool of protecting monopolies, not new inventors. If you have a bright new idea you will need to sell that idea to a big company anyway to put into practice, because creating something nowadays its impossible without a few factories behind you

in the creative field its even worst. nobody carries about your OC or how good it is if you dont do anything with it. They care about the entertainment you can offer thru that OC. They care about the story, the gameplay, the visuals. The characters are only tools to deliver and enhance that. And if somebody uses your OC for something, usually they do it to deliver their own form of entertainment, which might not even be in the same field of the original format.

You dont tarnish a product by making your own version of it, you tarnish a product by sabotaging the original product before it reaches its clients.

>>3869403
>royalties shouldnt be a think in the first place, or copyrights for that matter
What the fuck am I reading

>>3869382
>a big push towards something good
yeah sonic tier OCs

>>3869368
>You won't run into porn if you're not looking for it
>>3869403
>fuck copyright because then i have to put in effort to create something and cannot simply make money by stealing someone elses work
Yeah, fuck people and their right to Intellectual Property when I can just take whatever they create, add one thing to it and be able to slap my name on it and make money with that, amirite?
Copyright is a thing because people got fucked over by faggots who think making money off someone elses work/research/ideas and then suing them for having had that idea is a normal thing to do.

>>3866895
>draw fanart of a character in my style
>change the color of their hair and clothes
>tag it as #inspiredby(insertfandom/character)
>"subscribe to my patreon for the "enhanced" version"
ez money

>>3869534
name 1 person who got fucked over because someone else drew porn fan art of their character
Like oh no poor marvel didn't get a slice of the 50 bucks i made from drawing gay porn of Thanos or some shit, get real faggot

>>3869547
>hurr durr im a faggot
Just because you don't give a shit about the consequences of your actions, doesn't mean what you did hurt no one.
Maybe what you alone did, made no difference but, since the world is full of faggots like you, you need to get real and think about how this specific action might play out on a much larger scale.
If one guy was chopping a tree, the forest will still stand.
If thousands of people were chopping up trees, the forest would be no more.
Your solopsism isn't an argument.
Also, you need to pay your royalties since you made money off copyrighted material that isn't yours and have no legal connection with whatsoever.
But most big companies don't go after individuals because it isn't worth the time and money.
That's why we're getting Article 13.

I'm always real but you're just willingly delusional to not shatter what microscopic ego you might posses.

But, hey, as your next argument i might suggest how not paying taxes is alright and selling illegal drugs doesn't hurt anybody.
I got answers ready.

>>3869569
>you need to get real and think about how this specific action might play out on a much larger scale.
enlighten me
also did you just imply that selling fanart is similar to selling drugs? delusional

>>3869573
>two digits iq: the post
If you can't elaborate and coherently respond to what other people say, you shouldn't seek out social interactions.
Holy shit.

>>3869582
lmao sure keep dodging my questions

>>3869584
>hurr durr mum get the camera
Am i talking to a child or what?
Would explain your lack of any intelligence beyond metaphorical grunts and noises and your tastes in degeneracy.

>>3869588
>can't give me 1 single example of what i asked
>compares people that draw fanart and destroy a character to the people that chop down trees and destroy nature
>resorts to insults
no, i'm talking to a teenager who thinks he's smart because he's using big words

>>3866895
NordVPN is about to get a whole lot richer.

>>3869593
>hurr durr if u don gib ME this specific thing i asked then u don hav arguments
>stop dogding MY questions
>stop insulting ME
Go back to plebbit where everyone has the collective intellectual capability of a rocking chair and agrees with your faggotry because muh interweb points
I made an effort and you apparently can't even bother to think beyond your programming.
So, gtfo my alaskan goat milking image sharing forum, fag

>>3869599
>he keeps proving my point
lmao top shitposting

>>3869599
you know you are the one who belongs on reddit right? no amount of greentexting or "4chan words" will hide that

>>3869599
stop, your argumetns are dumb and you're really looking like a teenager.

test

>>3867034
A man can dream

>>3869367
>being this much of a bootlicker

>>3869598
VPNs might become forbidden too depending on how the different countries laws adopts these rules.

>>3866934
>People will maybe finally begin to protest about something that actually matters
>fan art and furry smut
yeah, who cares about the safety and lives of them and their family

You people can't make a buck from art that doesn't requiere degenerate shit.
I hope you can stll get a refund off of that 32 inch Cintiq that pros only deserve.

>>3869601
>>3869676
>>3869686
>samefagging this hard

>>3867018

Learning Japanese now and might make moves towards moving there if they ever legalize weed (at least in a medical capacity)

>>3869601
>>3869676
>>3869686
anon you should post just once

>>3871358
>>3871307
samefagging

>>3869367
It's obvious that the lewds have a higher demand, children are forced to watch that shit anyway

>>3872594
It's gonna be so good once porn gets a full on ban.

>>3869367
>why is the western comics and animation scene so shit in comparison to the Japanese one

>>3867032
>>3867040
>>3868678

he's obviously some fat weeb neet fuck who's living at this parents house in some backwater european country, watching other gaijins on yt all day and doodling his westerner comic, aka wants to become ilya. You people literally believe any faggot on the internet, especially 4chan, especially le artsy /ic.

>>3866944
Like Facebook, YouTube, dA, 4Chan or any other site will be hurting? They're some of the stupidest and worst people online. I for one wouldn't miss them.

>>3867009
And the EU isn't even going to rectify this mistake.

I wish nuking Brussels was legal.

>>3867075
It's not just copyright that's the problem, they easily could just extend it to doing basically ANYTHING on the internet.

>>3872757
>It's not just copyright that's the problem, they easily could just extend it to doing basically ANYTHING on the internet.
Out of 10 Yurobeans, only 1.2 give a shit.
They could ban breathing and only some people would get angry.
Also, openly criticizing the EU or pointing out their mistakes can get you arrested.
The EU is the NPC hive.
Seriously, somebody just needs to nuke this shithole out of existence.
It's the only logical solution.

>>3872781
>Seriously, somebody just needs to nuke this shithole out of existence.
That's what I said. If it were legal, I'm sure someone would.

>Also, openly criticizing the EU or pointing out their mistakes can get you arrested.
joke's on them, I don't live in Europe. Unless they can magically teleport to my house, I'm safe.

>>3872705
Lol, ok. That’s me.

>>3872953
>>3872705

That’s me in Tokyo yesterday.

And:
chagoxchago.artstation.com

That’s my work.

And while I do give Ilya props for making a name for himself, I honestly don’t really compare myself to him. We have different goals.

>>3868678
Rents fairly cheap. I live bout an hour from Tokyo by train, in a smaller satelite city. I pay about 50000¥ a month, which is like 400€.

As for work, I do the ESL thing for a healthy paycheck and work visa,

>>3868636
This seems like fantasy until you realize a few months ago a higher-up in a major ISP literally leaked their documents and plan to do exactly this.

Don't have kids, /ic/ because if you do they'll be fucked in so many ways

>>3872973
>>3872953
btfo

>>3872973
ooh I remember your work! Good stuff.

Kek

>>3872705
You right now:
https://youtu.be/5Ba9_jaN7EA

>>3869569
>you made money off copyrighted material that isn't yours and have no legal connection with whatsoever
Fundamentally, there's nothing wrong with this.

>>3869547
Tbh they are probably more worried about how mainstream the theory of how ant man will defeat thanos has become.

>>3873295
>Fundamentally, there's nothing wrong with this.
Except when it's done wrong.

What if i took any of your works, changed one simple thing, slapped my name on it and made lots of money with it?
Do you still have any right to the earnings of what is still your work?
I guess, no. You can't sue me, you can't claim what is rightfully yours and you can't even protect your Intellectual property.

This is pretty much how every mainstream/porn artists do nowadays.
Not wanting the law to protect you because >muh government booygeman
is just stupid.

>>3873497
>This is pretty much how every mainstream/porn artists do nowadays.
except that it's not, you just hate what's popular and spout nonsense that you probably heard from other people on /ic/
The only time that i saw this happen was with that one guy from marvel that traced real life references but he did it because of the amount of workload that he had

>>3873503
>u jus jelus
>ye but dat guy
Whoa, hey, great arguments, Anon. You sure showed me.

>>3873512
If you have such a great argument then how about you back your claim with some examples?
Surely you can since apparently every mainstream/porn artist does it, right?

>>3873521
You must be blind and willfully ignorant if you can't see the obvious or you just feel attacked because you're a degenerate yourself.
But, hey, i'm just some jellyfish that hates pop-culture, because what's popular is totally not bound to be a cancer.
You want to prove me wrong, c'mon, where are your examples?

>>3873532
Wow, you're a retard.

>>3873535
Not an argument, faggot.