/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

this is the worst thread/community on /ic/ I think

first on a basic profile view, i think i need to work on proportions and practice this more but what think?

>>3859212
no not really a lot of good progress gets made in anime study threads. i have seen a few pro mangaka level art come out of these threads

>>3859212
Better than the self loathing threads imo

>>3859212
Its not bad compared to others, but it could be better.

>>3859129
Is it only studies here? Is it bad etiquette to post practice from imagination? Do I take those over to /alt/draw/beg/ instead?

Maybe not entirely manga but I tried to get closer to the style than my usual practice. I really like the ink style with crisp lines and "sharp" features - Death Note comes to mind. Though I know I havent really achieved that here - thick heavy lines are so satisfying.

>>3859244
some stuff I like

>>3859245

>>3859221
Doesn't look very anime-y at all. The chin and jaw are too large, for starters. Try to examine profile views more carefully

>>3859204
Is there an entire artbook of sun&moon designs?

>>3859212
Yeah, it's kinda a depressing place to witness.

>>3859222
Lol, mention one. And no purin doesn't count, she's already good before this threads even exists.

>>3859240
I wanna know too

>>3859240
You can post both in alt and asg

>>3859466
Expect more bullying in alt though

>>3859470
none of those characters resemble eachother

>>3859474
crab logic is astounding.

>>3859474
literally the same design in a different style

>>3859470
This is a nice exercise

>>3859450
This: https://e-hentai.org/g/1043880/547ec3798c/
and the Mega links here: http://chopoloco.tumblr.com/post/153800089981/edit-reblogi-was-an-idiot-and-forgot-the-part-2

Don't know if there is more.

>>3859221
Draw 500 more and fill them out and at that point you could consider asking for critique..

>>3859470
What was the process you followed to morph the character like that?

>>3859506
It should be a repost, a Korean on Twitter draws those. Can't remember his handle

>>3858922
I didn't render anything and those are flats (done with wet brush), but okay. what part of that looks rendered to you? you can say my drawing sucks and that's valid, but don't pull shit out of your ass.

>>3859508
666Pigeon / angry82pigeon

>>3859221
Loomis will help you get down the basics, then apply that to a style you like. Right now the entire jaw and ear is off so I'm assuming there's not much construction going on.

Head practice from imagination. Already posted something on alt yesterday, so i guess this fits here.
I'm unironically happy with "my" style (it's generic, but it already feels natural to draw it).
Does these look appealing at all?
Pls no bully

>>3859598
I'd personally lower the eyes a bit. The puffy cheeks kinda indicates that she's pretty young, and that's conflicting with how high the eyes are placed imo.

>>3859598
Cheeks look like they're swelling. You should think of forms and placement on the 3D forms.

>>3859721
forgot to attach pic

>>3859204
>>3859489
Also, were there books for Ruby and Sapphire? OG or remake?

I was going to work myself up to an illustration by doing a bunch of throwaway sketches, but I ended up getting too precious with this one and spent some time cleaning it up

>>3859664
You might be right, i'll try messing with the features placement.

>>3859723
I do think of form and the cheeks are actually this way for the purpose of appeal. But i agree, i over did it with that one.

>>3859834
https://e-hentai.org/g/994770/f32de62aec/ is all I know of.

c:

>>3859861
cute

I just got clip paint studio, what're some optimal settings for this thing? Or is it entirely preference, it's a little overwhelming.

>>3859548
Does Loomis really work for anime?

>>3860133
this is total nonsense - the last place Loomis would work is for an anime studio, he wasn't even alive when anime was invented

>>3860133
Yes. This was already discussed in ther previous thread

>>3859975
I think your ears a little bit too short in terms of height even for anime standards. Disregard if that's intentional stylization

Your lines are very soft and pleasing

>>3860117
Thanks! feelsgoodman

>>3860133
There's a transition from Loomis to anime in terms of proportions. Being able to construct form properly on paper is the takeaway from Loomis, regardless on your thoughts about his style. You take this core skill and tailor it to suit the style you're going for (this is when you diverge from Loomis)

I'm currently diving into Japanese resources to find the fabled nippon secrets, but even there I encounter our lord Loomis. They're called fundamentals for a reason, after all

>>3860181
whoops, forgot image

>>3860181
I'm >>3859975 I'll try messing with that too. The other anon talked about my eye placement.
Gonna hit these 2 points when i get home.

>>3860133
A fellow anon did this in the previous thread.

>>3860213
>>3860181
thanks!

I'm going to continue to draw cute boys and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>3860359
Don't stop. Use construction tho, you will learn more.

>>3860359
now try without ref bucko

>>3860359
I support you!

Anybody else going back and forth with realism and anime style? I swear, I've been in a constant battle for like a solid year.
One week I'm thinking more realistic-ish style is my jam, but then one morning comes and I feel like anime is THE jam. And then vice versa.

I guess its nice to be more versatile, but I dunno, feels like I'm slowing down.

>>3860373
It's good to study both realism and stylized faces so you can further expand your visual library. Yoshinari and other pros are well versed in this.
Nice style btw! Got a blog?

>>3859528
then don't use the wet brush. you tried doing some saturation sss either with a multiply layer or color picking for the skin along the core shadow. your shapes suck and have no design. it's just blobs that look like you're too afraid to make a decision about. no expression or gesture in the hair.

>>3860061
Oh god thank you. This will help develop an actual routine. Can't live life without a plan. How long do you think one should be spending on each level? How do I tell when I'm ready to move on to the next?

>>3860501
lmao you got trolled hard by that pic since you think it has anything valueable on it and you still don't know what to do

>>3860506
Look, I just don't know how to organize my studies. I've been passively drawing my whole life, but I really want to crack down and actually get a routine. what the fuck do I do?

>>3859664
>>3860181
Hey anons, >>3859598 here.
I gave it a try and now i prefer 1 and 3 much more. Thanks.
What do you think?

>>3860599
Eyebrow placement and size is fucked up, i know. Forgot to mention that earlier.

>>3860599
My favourite is definitely 3, that one feels very solid.
Do you take inspiration from Tim Lochner? Your linework reminds me of him.

I was about to join but nah

>>3860599

>>3860181 here
I prefer the adjustments over the original, too. Pic related has some of my more specific thoughts, but at your level I think you already know. It's just basic artbook shit. Since I made the original comment about the ear size, I'll probably say that this is the largest you should probably go... Some shoujo styles go even larger, but it doesn't look like that's what you're going for.

Do you have blog? I wanna look at more of your stuff and pretend you're my rival

>>3860625
80iq here, I forget pic related every single time...

The red in this anime's mouth is incredibly beautiful, thank you for the visual reference.

It's not much, but please accept this orange.

>>3860618
Another thing to add, the chin could be a bit more refined. Perfectly-pointed sharp chins don't really go well with most modern anime style. Just be more careful with the apex of the curve of the jaw, then soften the chin a bit and you'll be good to go.
I also did some subtle shifts with the cheek, but that's a bit of a personal taste I guess.

>>3859129
Cute but she's ugly in the full pic

>>3860633
QT!

>>3860755
I think she looks even cuter now; thanks for sharing the full pic

>>3860755
oh god lol

>>3860373
very cute!

>>3860755
I thought the face was the full pic...

>>3860755
she's uh, very well endowed

>>3860838
that's blade and soul for you; everyone's characters are either extra thicc or lolicon

>>3860755
Tunnel visioning is a hell of a drug

>>3860755
Why does she look so fucking terrifying?

>>3860369
>entire thread of using refs to draw animu
k, crab
>>3860367
I do use construction, it may suck but I do use it. just a matter of needing more practice
I am going to continue drawing cute boys until I can draw really good cute boys
>>3860402
I wasn't even attempting to do cell shading, and your criticism was "why isn't it cell shaded". pyw

>>3860887
>>entire thread of using refs to draw animu
>k, crab
What the other anon mean to say is to apply what you learned from doing these studies and draw something from imagination

>>3860890
not posting that here, and no he did not mean that

>>3860887

>>3860887

>>3860755
The blue chipmunk is cute.

>>3860943
you consistently skew the proportions wider than your reference & change the angle of the head. measure more carefully if you're studying to learn from the reference. if you're just copying for fun then go nuts & good luck

>>3861084
>you consistently skew the proportions wider than your reference & change the angle of the head.
valid. thank you.

>>3861086
fwiw I think the changes you make actually make the image more appealing than the reference.

>>3861097

>>3861097
when /ic/ talks about crabs, it's typically in reference to insulting comments. but comments like these are truly the deadliest of all

>>3860618
>>3860625
>>3860626
>>3860633
Really damn useful insights on eye shapes/placement. Jaw and chin too. Already gained a couple iq digits from that.
I know Tim Loechner but my biggest reference is @BloopArchives older stuff, it's awesome. I also discovered @poppuqn and @gimpring a couple days ago and that motivated me to sketch considering line economy.
I've started posting recently and my old stuff is meh, but sure we can be rivals. I'm posting on @LPipocin.
>>3860627
Cute. You're welcome.
>>3860755
She's hot af, fuck you anon.
>>3860887
I thought you were just copying the lines. You're doing great then.

>>3861097
In what way? I have a tendency to make things softer and rounder imo.

haha lol pruned yo discord lurker asses defeat me in a pokemon battle y'all I use water-type pokemon because my name is aqua that's so original yo

But seriously, join the discord if you'd like, we usually give constructive criticism all the time >.>

>>3861671
post screenshot

>>3861674
Of the pruning??

>>3861676
of the faggotry going on in the discord

>>3861679
Oh we touch dicks all the time bro, it's like super straight if it's a bro doing it.

If you mean criticism the users usually will find stuff in you art you wouldn't notice was wrong and will usually understand you'll not become the next kim jung gi overnight.

>>3859221
I use a method for profile drawing where i use an egg shape for the skull and divide it into four parts.

It makes it a little easier for me. But the big problem for the animu style for me is drawing bigger features, like eyes, noses, hair, etc. It's very difficult.

>>3861691

>literally trannies discord
yikes

I been trying to understand the torso and hips. lt feels close but not quite there yet. Critique please

>>3861875
This too

>>3860755
Gross. Reminds me of momokun

>>3860373
blog?

>>3861875
The ass needs more love and understanding.
Studying the oblique and ass will help you to undestand how the legs are attached
Same with the arms, try to study the dorsi muscle

>>3862102
Really ? The drawing is amazing in my opinion. The colours, attention to detail, and lighting is all so beautiful. The body is a bit exaggerated but it’s something I can look past

>>3862102
stop growing so attached to parasocial interactions then, anon

>>3862310
Not him but you are falling for the same trap that all normies get fooled into. If you look behind all the gimmicks and the cosmetic environment it's a polished turd no different than pic related behind pounds of plastic and make up.

If you look at the figure objectively you'd realize how utterly fucked her legs are to start.

>>3862345
just because the legs are fucked up doesn't make the art automatically shit

>>3862348
Yes, it does since you are now aware how bad the anatomy is and it would be the first thing you will keep noticing everytime you go back to it and the more trained your eye is the more it will reveal to you how shit it truly is.

>>3862352
a lot of art must be shit for you if every mistake ruins it. jesus dude, I understand looking objectively but just because you can see mistakes doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.

>>3862352
redline pls

>>3862355
You must be new here.

>>3862113
Thanks for breaking it down for me.

>>3862345
But isn’t the style consistent if everything is exaggerated, including the body ? I never notice people criticising style when it comes to the eyes being large, or the nose being too thin, but as soon as it comes to bodily anatomy everyone’s expecting the work to be realism. Don’t you think it would look weird if she had a strongly stylised anime face but completely realistic body ?

>>3862345
Sure, anon. That korean artist clearly NEVER studied anatomy, right? There's no possible way he drew that leg that way on purpose, right? What a fucking /beg/, you are obviously a superior artist for knowing how to draw a realistic leg! Please drop some knowledge for us, we are hungry for it.

>>3860755
It's like a modern blockbuster. It only makes sense if look at a fraction of it.

>>3860755
It was cropped for a reason.

>>3862477
>>3862450
>muh style!
Okay I'll play the devil's advocate. Say it was done intentionally due to a cartoonish style to exaggerate form, so why is the entire illustration screaming realism when it comes to rendering, color, light, ambiance, and even atmospheric perspective? If you are trying to imply that this is a mash up between some love child between an anime character and a realistic person you're getting really desperate to find excuses here.

I'm not saying that successfully exaggerating proportions and forms can't be done but what I am saying is the fact that who ever did this piece failed to draw on the fundamental level this is not a matter of style; lack of fundamentals is not indicative of a style done on purpose it is just plain bad anatomy.

>>3862593
You know what they say, post your work.

>>3862593
Why does the style of a titty monster need to match the style of the background?

>>3862594
>>>/b/795717367

>>3862605
>he's still browsing this cesspool
based

>>3862593
>what is ilya kuvshinov
Also, pyw

i keep munting up the eyes and I don't know what to do about it. was more a color thing, i've been referencing an artist that goes by the handle foo midori and i really like how she uses color so i've been trying to incorporate that into my work

>>3862693
it's a mess

>>3862799
Oh fuck, yeah, I didn't notice exactly how skewwed it was. Thanks.

>>3860182
Which artbook is this?

>>3862975
(Hard Deluxe) Draw with Digital Tools! 「Facial Expression」

表情の描き方

OP's megalink should have it

>>3862799
isnt asymmetry a good thing in this case?

>>3862605
>/b/
>2019

>>3862113
I've been trying to replicate this all day to no good results. Can someone get regual anime art and highlight the anatomy like this please.

I can't understand the japanese books and nornal anatomy books are too different.

>>3863418
Give us an example and we'll try to dissect it

Why is my pen so fucking shaky, even a mouse comes out straighter.

Why don't the ASG threads at least include a basic "how to render smooth like anime artists" tutorial? I see so many newbies trying to force their way through studies of clean jap anime art by coloring with just a hard round brush. Like literally trying to blend perfect gradients.

And noone ever tells them "Nobody does it this way", are you guys trying to get people to waste their time?

>>3863435

>>3863435
>>3863442

>>3863442
>>3863443
Last one

>>3861875
>>3863418
>>3863110
I'm using it right now, and it's pretty helpful and it seems to use the least amount of stylization(if any at all) in any book I've read so far.

>>3863440
There's a thread on how to render in anime style right now >>3856602

>>3863448

ISIS?

>>3862593
>>3862345
It's because Japanese (and in extension Korean, I guess) women's legs look like that! Granted, not all, but many. Yes, there's a bit of exaggeration in the >>3860755
picture, for the legs in particular it's making the ankles thinner and feet smaller, shins a bit longer and straighter, but the overall impression of the body of a plump Asian lady is spot on! I guarantee, because I've been living for years in Japan and I've noticed how they represent the ladies that are around, as well as seen this particular body type.

>>3863568

LoL I live in Japan too and you can quit your Asia fetish. People don't look this this.

>>3863568
We don't look like this and you probably haven't lived that long in Japan

>>3863582
>"we"
Whatever you say, tranny

>>3863640
sure filthy american, sure

>>3863647
Whatever you say, unpassable trap

stop fighting and post some relevant content you fucking /beg/s

>>3863667
just draw some lunes and draw the rest of the fucking body

>>3863671
You'd get the picture if you actually studied your anatomy construction

huh the discord is full of fags circlejerking each other. No real crits happening whatsoever

>>3863685
crits do happen, but many people in there are too begs that there is very little you can do to help them on the art they post because there is too much wrong in it. You don't even know where to start, and if we were to touch their work, their work will be altered too much it won't even look anything like they posted anymore. Honestly more 90% must be pushed into atleast picking up an anatomy book.

Another thing is lack of challenge. Other discords have weekly challenges where people who hate reading books are atleast motivated to put more effort because they're competing in weekly themed challenges, but there's nothing like that in the /beg/ anime discord.

They pruned the discord, but that's about it.

>>3863568
>My dad works for Nintendo!

>>3863672
Do anime characters even follow real construction? It seems too stylized for real anatomy to matter.

>>3863807
I wish this was a bannable sentence.

>>3863807
your /beg/ is showing

>>3863814
>>3863826
Sorry i'm a self taught retard, but It was a legit question.

>>3863667
The first two look like doll parts compared to pic above. Why studdy real anatomy when anime anatomy looks completely different? Again, I'm a retard but it's a legit question.

>>3863841
You need to look up what construction actually means. Pic related is construction. You can also construct figures with varying degrees of anatomical complexity, from a stick figure to realism.

>>3863418
i don't know if this will help you

>>3863995
so should it look like this?

>>3859205
Sauce?

>>3864333
second verse same as the first. Critique please.

>>3863841
My bad anon, I thought you were trolling.

Look, you need to understand real anatomy to understand WHY the body is being drawn like that, anime or not.
Plus, why the hell would you spend countless of hours learning somebody's wrong interpretation of anatomy? How could you spot correct-and-stylised anatomy in comparison to incredibly-wrong-and-awful-style anatomy?

You asking the question you did in >>3863807 makes me believe that you wouldn't know how to spot the difference. This gets easier to spot with time and knowledge (read: learning real anatomy).

Style comes AFTER learning basics, not before. If you do style first, you'll always be polishing a turd on paper. Don't be a fool, dear anon. Take the time and effort to do the right thing. Your future self will thank you.

>>3864623
Yeah, I don't know much about actual real anatomy. I've only been self teaching myself with pintrest and unreadable how to books since January. So a lot of things basic terms i don't understand. I just figured the best way to learn would be from copying japanese work until I understood.

I have been looking through >>3863450 this book atm. Usually these types of books are very word heavy and turn me off, but this one seems just right.

I guess I could try going to art school(I literally don't having anything else going for me right now.) I'm just worried it would teach me how to draw more western when, or I'll be turned away for my intrest in drawing anime.

I'm just trying my best to make something people can appreciate, and not feel like a failure. :\

>>3864663

Anon first of all you dont need to go to art school for anatomy. Nowadays you dont need it (sometimes it makes you even worse).

Just look for books by Richer, Bammes, Goldfinger, Bridgman, Peck, Simblet and other anatomy books on the artbook thread. There can't be a better time to learn now aince before you need to learn german/french just to get the meat of their lessons.

If you dont want to lose your love of anime, learn both fundamentals and anime at the same time. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I would recommend drawing a loomis ("realistic") head, a anime head, then make a fusion on a head in between so you can borrow stuff from both and see what works for you.

>>3864663
You dont need to go to an art school

>>3864612
the only good one is the jalter one and that was referenced isn't, what im trying to say is that you suck

Lads whet do I do if I don't actually want to draw anything?

>>3864979
well if you don't want to the only other way is if you need to

>>3864979
kys(streak)

>>3860755
You guys have shit taste. I think the full picture looks even better.

>>3864612
Your not bad anon, I think some real studies of human anatomy would help you go very far. You have a clean basic grasp of the human form, but the need to study every muscle in the body to truly see improvements. Good luck!!

>>3864979
You fucking buckle down and just draw whats in front of you or do a study. "Not wanting to draw." is sadly a big part of NGMI. Drawing and the world of art takes discipline, and if you can't just sit down and draw then your going to have a difficult time actually perusing a career in art. You should never have the mentality of "I don't actually want to draw anything."
JUST DRAW NIGGA

What are some talented artists that do live drawing on youtube?

>>3865213
Yoshikadu Hamada, of Tsukumogami fame, does live streams on youtube and archives them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWBRwamiois

Pixiv also has livestreams of japanese artists on its platform if you look up "Pixiv live".

>>3864924
At least you're honest

>>3865095
>>3864722

I'll be hitting the books, I'll be back in a weak to show my improvements. Thanks

>>3860359
>cute boys
based

fuck, spent hours trying to reproduce the God Eater shading style.

>>3865648
yikes

is porn allowed?

>>3865648
Why do you niggers overcomplicate things

>draw lots of random anime girls in my school notebook
>have to hand it in
>can't bring myself to erase them all
>get the notebook back
>teacher (female) writes comments next to the drawings like "cute" or "Is this supposed to be me?"

>>3865820
pics or didn't happen

>>3865820
pyw

>>3865822
>>3865824
i never claimed to be good but here.
it doesn't look like my teacher at all so idk why she wrote that

>>3865826
shit but cute

>>3865827
>describe your art in 3 words

>>3865826
desu this is exactly how a student - teacher sexual relationship starts. Is she a MILF?

>>3865831
She's the age of a MILF but she has a very small frame. I literally never interact with her besides asking a question like once a week

>>3865835
posts pics of her now while im still hard

>>3865826
>>3865835
Now this is the good stuff.

>>3865835

>>3865826
See me after class.

>>3865836
sorry im not gonna doxx my teacher
>>3865849
o-ok

I need to learn alot, but whats my ugliest feature?

>>3865830
seems about right lol

>>3865890
jesus christ

>>3865899
I take it as "needs improvement"

>>3865890
This is about 2 montha ago
I never really colored a whole lot, so now im starting to practice.

>>3865905
Epic reddit May may! :^)

>>3865826
Next time, draw this character with her tits out and turn that it. NO BALLS!

>>3865890
>>3865902
>>3865900
just needs more fundies in general
watch out about the features being misaligned or too distant on the face
for example her eyes are too far apart, her left ear is inexplicably higher than the other, and her chin is too far left
i'd say look into construction, having a base for the head and a middle line for the face will help a lot in keeping the features on the proper distance and positioning

>>3866209
Yeah, i need learn a skull anatomy

Did a study of Ken Kitano, but this just looks more like his tard cousin, Ben Retardo :/

what the fuck is wrong with me

>>3866455
source on the tutorial on the right?

>>3866492
see >>3860182
I'm trying to make sense of it but I really don't understand how the nose, mouth and chin are placed.

>>3866455
Your proportions and perspective ain't so good, to put it mildly. Remember that the circle has a side plane (Loomis meme etc) which degree changes as the head rotates.

>>3866539
Same concept, demonstrated better.

How do I even get those smooth thin lines without a stabilizer?

>>3866558
study calligraphy techniques

>>3866558
I would personally practice traditionally using a fountain or brush pen. The stabilizer, contrary to what many believe, is really only a crutch if you fail to understand the underlying motivation for its existence. Stabilizers in CSP and Sai attempt to mimic the flowy feeling of brush pens by adding a slight delay to the lifting of the tip. They also average out your movements so the shakiness of your hand because less relevant to the cleanliness of the line placed. It also allows you to more accurately predict the movement of your stroke, since you can't really get a good and accurate representation of your brush tip digitally. In traditional brush pen work, the shakiness isn't much of an issue since you have an exact 1:1 placement of where you put your brush tip on paper to where ink is placed, allowing you to be much more accurate. However, if you attempt to, say, flick the pen at the end of a stroke, you'll see a similar effect seen with a stabilizer: the tip lifts from the page until it's eventually straight again, with the stroke tapering as the tip straightens and lifts from the page.

Doing this will give you not only a newfound appreciation for why the stabilizer is useful, but also give you methods of performing the same effects and techniques without using them.

What should I do to get better at using only line to represent something?

Pic sort of related. It's from a video about CSP, but I like how the artist is able to use so many different kinds of line to break up the head visually.

I never know when to use lost and found lines, or repeating "fuzzy" lines, or using the right thickness of lines. The picture might be a poor example, and I can make a better example when I get home from work, but hopefully someone might understand what I'm asking?

i studied a bunch of heads, focusing on some common angles. only the three bald guys and top-right were from imagination.

>>3866455
i like that you're experimenting with how far down to pull the chin from the sphere. i think you should draw a straight-on view to decide at exactly which height you want the chin to be (in proportion to the sphere). from that decision, you can pull it down further when drawing a view from above (looking down), and not pull as far when drawing a view from below (looking up), using the straight-on view as law

>>3866595
Blog?

>>3866599
fuck i've really been meaning to get one started so i can try to get some commissions, but instead i've been putting it all off in favor of grinding and now i don't know how to stop

>>3866595
How were you able to achieve such light, smooth and subtle tones on the hair of the girl to the right of the bald guy turn, and the girl's hair in the bottom right? Did you smudge?

>>3866595
What kind of paper is that? Why is it all wobbly?

>>3866610
If my guess is right, that's newsprint and it fucks up like that if you erase too enthusiastically

>>3866607
i never smudge, but it does some slight blending when i brush my hand across the page to get rid of eraser poop. this newsprint is really good about not smudging

i just slowly build value by hatching really lightly

>>3866610
it's the cheapest and largest newsprint i could find. i just use pink erasers, #2 hb wood pencils, and all the cheapest shit, otherwise it feels like i'm wasting money on practice. i can't really say why it's all wobbly other than simply blaming it for being thin cheap shit, but i don't suppose my erasing helps either

>>3866614
>I just slowly build value by hatching really lightly

Can you take a picture of just the head to the right of the bald heads? It's difficult to see your technique because of the poor resolution on your photo and I want to attempt it.

>>3866614
What size is it? 18" by 24"?

>>3866618
here you go, anon. i hope it helps... it's pretty haphazard and it looks like dog crap when blown up but i guess that's why everyone reduces the resolution at the end

>>3866620
yes, that's right

>>3866630
Ah. Thank you. It's not quite what I expected, but appreciated nonetheless. It's definitely solid work. It initially almost had this copic like quality to it. It was as if you had your hatchmarks, but you also had a consistent, opaque layer of light grey beneath it. At any rate, thanks again.

>>3866630
Would you say drawing large translates into drawing small or is it a separate skill set?

>>3866630
Tbh anon I have a feeling you're going to go on to do some good stuff.

>>3866657
yes, i think if you can draw large, you can draw small, but it doesn't work the other way around. it's only recently that i've been drawing smaller because i'm trying to get a bigger volume of work done
as an example, i really phoned it in on the farther eye on >>3866630
if I were drawing large, i would really have to think about exactly how that eye would look instead of just putting in what it would look like generally. i suppose it's like resolution: you can always downscale, but you can't always upscale

>>3866659
thanks, that really means a lot.... i hope you're right and i'll keep working on it

>>3859207
I love this style so much.

>>3865890
I tried to put your fundies back into place Anon it is messy but I hope this shows stuff. In my opinion the two most glaring problems are

1) Paying attention to anatomy

2) Maintaining a coherent the light direction which obviously comes from the right. The shadows should be aligned towards it

Not sure if I should ask in here or in another thread since it's not necessary focused on anime, but can I get a crash course or some tips on coloring shiny clothes, like latex?

>>3866593
work with a brush/brush pen/dip pen. get some pen and ink books like guptill or pen and ink techniques. look at shit like aubrey beardsley and charles dana gibson.

>>3866539
>Your proportions and perspective ain't so good, to put it mildly.
I agree, how do I fix it?
>Remember that the circle has a side plane (Loomis meme etc) which degree changes as the head rotates.
I don't get this part. Can you explain?

>>3866595
You're right but I don't know how far down it should be
I'm too stupid for this shit

>>3866759
look up chrome tutorials and it's practically the same shit except wrapped around something organic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el2GMgMtBrQ

>>3866761
Hope this explains it a bit better.

>decide to take a break from drawing for a week
>my cute girl faces get worse
maybe i shouldn't take breaks

>>3867061
It's pretty cute still, imo, can you post your previous stuff?.

>>3866595
how long have you been drawing for to get to this point

>>3867061
derp

>>3866757

I figured greyscaling would help, i need to practice that and my anatomy.
Thank you

Tonight's sketch

>>3866630
pretty

>>3867315
qt

Decided to make the change from base realism to anime. What do?

>>3867339
draw anime

>>3867208
almost 18 months since i got serious and started focusing on improvement

>>3867061
it is not bad at all Anon a solid base, just need a bit more adjustments.

>>3867531
looks western but a good attempt

>sit down to draw
>can't draw the far eye in a 3/4 head post
Every time.

>>3867315
noiiice

>>3866229
pretty good

>>3867479
Still need to get serious myself and cut back on my laziness. Can't help but be nervous over possible lack of improvement making any attempts pointless.

>>3867878
Post a 3/4 head.

>>3866455
I tried to redline, I hope it's ok with you. I'm no expert with this so feel free to point out if something looks off

>>3866630
I really love this esp her nose and lips

>I really love this esp her nose and lips
thanks, i was actually thinking that maybe i might have indicated it too much for an anime style, but it's good to know there's some appeal regardless

>>3868029
i like these a lot, particularly the fanged qt 2nd from the bottom
i'm still having a lot of trouble getting used to a digital tablet. anon, are you using a screenless tablet? your lines are really nice, it's almost got that g-pen quality to it. what are you thoughts about getting used to a tablet?

>>3863481
I made that thread. LMAO

>>3868103
don't think there's a set way to stylize the nose and mouth so that it's anime. There's a huge range between guys like Junji Ito, Ryoichi Ikegami and Gosho Aoyama.

Also post new stuff

>>3867916
Hey thanks

>>3868029
Anon thank you so much for this, it looks a lot better
Okay, let me ask you this, how exactly do you section the loomis ball? I don't get how you picked these lines, pic related the ones I blue-lined. It's not the top of the cut out part, it's just kinda lower? Why there instead of the middle of the ball?

I feel too stupid to learn art sometimes, like I know eyes should be one eye apart but why the fuck do I forget that when I draw anime? I can't even draw shit with literally anime loomis beside me. Why can't I learn something so fucking simple as some proportions and feature shape AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

>>3868029
>>3868258
Oh and I forgot but give me your blog if you have one because this looks good

>>3868258
don't rush things
it's not an easy thing to learn.

This Thai not only learned to draw anime, he learned Japanese as well.

>>3868353

>>3868353
>8 years
You know good for him but I feel that is an enormous amount of time, it makes me anxious how long art takes to be learned
Also what manga is that I want to see how good this guy got

>>3868353
That is some serious dedication right there! Like FUCK!

>>3868374
Don't know, he has a patreon that he probably releases his stuff to.
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1241231

>>3868353
>currently doing this
but i don't necessarily want to be a mangaka

>>3868407
I do

>>3868353
How did he do it?

>>3868353
>written in japanese
>still reads left-to-right
what the fuck?

>>3868427
it reads right to left.

>>3868433
No, look at the bottom right panel. It reads left-to-right.

>>3868456
on the bottom right panel, he says 戻って来たんだい?どうやって and she starts to explain 親父それは簡単だよ

you don't even have to look at the bottom right panel, just look at the top. do you really think she says

>を手に入れた!!この「電光波動】よって、私は
instead of
>よって、私はこの「電光波動」を手にいれた!!

i'm genuinely curious how you came to the conclusion that it reads left to right

>mfw trying to learn to draw with cleaner lines when I'm used to drawing with thick texture brushes
Shit feels so awkward. Spent most of my 2 years using fairly large chalk brush like I did here >>3860373 , but I always felt like I was missing clarity in my sketches. It works much better for realism I guess.

>>3868456
i'm looking at it and i honestly don't know what the fuck is happening in the bottom right panel... so i don't understand what you're getting at

but just look at what she says at the top.

does
>を手に入れた!!この「電光波動」よって、私は
make more sense to you than
>よって、私はこの「電光波動」を手に入れた!!

reading it the first way is just nonsensical.

plus, even without any knowledge of japanese, you should notice that all the sentence ending punctuation is at the bottom left of the speech bubbles so i'm curious as to why you insist that it reads left to right

>>3868353
If he's showing off how much his art developed, then it's not that great. In more than 10 fucking years, you should develop a lot more than just "now it doesn't look flat and I can shade things".
Learning Japanese is impressive tho.

>>3868499
pyw

>>3868495
No, you misunderstand me. The text in the bubbles is read right-to-left, but the entire page is formated so that you read the bubbles going from left to right, which is why it makes no sense.

>>3868499
I'm just happy for the guy but you went your way to crab out in this thread

>>3868509
i see, that makes sense now... now i see why you bring up the bottom right panel because it makes sense when you read it left to right.

yeah this layout is really fucked up if that's the case

>>3868499
Every time like clock work.

>>3868499
>you should develop a lot more than just "now it doesn't look flat and I can shade things"
Like what? draw backgrounds? Add so many details like Miura? Turn to realistic anime style? It's a comic, you use an artstyle that matches with the mood of the story. If his story is one of those silly comedy fantasy manga, his artwork is just right for it.

>>3868491
How did you draw the eyelashes then? Single brush stroke?

>>3868491
Please gib blog anon.

>>3868491
Do you do commissions? How much for a sketch or lineart?

>>3868452
Realistic as fuck though, in context

What does "crab" mean?

>>3868680
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

>>3868684
Shit, that's fucked up. It all makes sense, now, though.

>>3864339
https://twitter.com/t_paradise_lost/status/980295113044672514
The character is Sandalphon from GBF

>>3868353
soul vs soulless

>>3868885
>Good, skilled artwork
>soulless
>Shit and messy artwork
>soul
You baitfagging faggots are among the retards of the biggest caliber I've ever seen on the face of this planet earth.

>>3868923
Stop taking the bait retard

>>3868885
Not really, but there's some merit to the older artwork. It looks more like something I would expect from a comedy manga, with its more simplistic and clean artwork.
Although I have no idea if that's supposed to be comedy or not.

practicing mango

>>3859129
what are some cute outfits for lolis?
i usually draw manly characters & idk what the fuck i'm doing

>>3869136
Google Lolita Dresses, they’re fun to draw

>>3869136
Do you guys ever leave your room? Whenever you're outside, observe people's different styles. When you watch TV, take a look at their clothes. When you're at the mall, notice which clothes are trendy. Studying stylish clothes is just as important when you're trying to git gud at drawing. No matter how good your work is or how you've thought out the composition, it's gonna suck hard if you don't have even the littlest bit of fashion sense.

>>3869136
forever 21

>>3869160
ew

>>3869151
Time to go outside and stare at some highschool girls

>>3869136
May the force be with you

>>3869288
me eating the banana

>>3869540
c-can you eat my banana?

>>3869553
AAAAAAAAAAAA

I want to try working on my lines by tracing some anime keyframes daily in addition to other stuff I'm doing. Would that be helpful, or a waste of time?

>>3867315
Very nice linework/quality!

I know its turd polishing because of the face being slightly wrong/unfinished but how did I do on the hair?

>>3869702
Waste of time. Draw freehand normally, then overlay your reference over your finished study to check the differences and mistakes you've made.
You'll learn so much more this way.

I'd personally do my checks by using this layer structure:
-[Study folder]
--Study drawing layer
--Opaque white bg layer
-[Reference layer folder]

After you set it up, you quickly flash your Study folder on/off (Of course, you'd do this after you've finished your study). This is by far the most accurate method to do checks that I know of.

>>3870304
congrats! You've reached the roastie basic bitch of anime shading. It's ok, but that's about it. For your next level up, please take into consideration that blondes don't really have their hair all yellow. It depends on the blonde color, but some turn to light brown the closer they get to the root or shadows. Then some parts also get saturated in some areas. The same with brown haired people. Their hair aren't just a uniform color of brown all over unlike what anime usually does to save time and cost.


I suggest you observe hair online and in real life.

Christ, I hate drawing purposefully on digital and I hate anime heads. They're unbelievably hard to get a grasp of. These are obviously a ""joke"" but it's clear I couldn't do one if I tried. I've been focusing too much on my fundies that I never made time to practice. All I want to do is be able to draw both ugly and appealing shit on purpose.

I've seen anime head guides and tutorials but they don't really explain a lot of what I see in anime or other people's interpretations of anime.

Really having trouble with the head, size of the head, placement of the facial features relative to the head, eyes, especially the ears and ear placement. Even though I understand where ears go, anime ears really throw me off. I guess it's a matter of practice. Anime heads are way bigger than they seem and it's so damn confusing sometimes. Especially when I can't find where the hair ends and the head begins.

Help a brother out.

>>3870692
well first of all, are those "obviously" a "joke" or did you actually try? if you didn't try, then actually try and post your real honest to goodness attempt. otherwise we can't help you.

post your ref too so we know what your goal is. your "joke" looks like elmer fudd but we have no idea what you're striving to use a base

>>3870708
I have a process where I try at something and when I realize I can't I usually exaggerate my errors in a ridiculous. For the top one I tried at the head shape and gave up at the ear and just added the rest. For the second one it's just me completely fucking around with the ridiculousness of a side-view anime head. The picture I posted isn't for critique or reference. It's just there to be there.

Aside from the joking I actually try a lot on paper and continually fail.
I was mostly looking for tips or decently explained tutorials on how stylization of anime heads or eyes typically work. Only reason I didn't post anything serious was because they're genuinely too bad of attempts to even post or critique.

Though if you want to know what I'm striving for, I've been studying the Panty and Stocking artbook. Really love the style and wish there was more to reference from.

>>3870724
it doesn't matter if there's not more to reference from if you can't even make use of what there is. learning to reproduce it is one of the best ways to dissect it. this is why you do a study from a reference up until the point where you can't see what looks wrong anymore.

if it constantly looks fucked up to you, then analyze what you fucked up, and then fix it. if you can't see what is fucked up (because your eye hasn't learned to distinguish shapes accurately enough yet to copy), then you post your attempt and the ref and we'll tell you what's fucked up.

you'll get the best tips when you are clear about what you're going for, and honest with your attempt.

if you want a quick tip, then it looks to me like you need to learn how to reproduce a drawing by measuring relative proportions with your eye.

>>3870731
I do make use of what I'm referencing and I've learned a lot through that. The point is that there are things I want to see the style in particular tackle so I can have a better understanding and solidify the connections.
Sort of like an anime head from a side profile. You wouldn't come up with it yourself, but it works and it simplifies it in a way that matches with everything else, also helping you understand the form in it's entirety.
But I guess that's part of being an artist and why you need to know how to view objects in 3D space(Which is something I don't have a problem with). Learning to improvise and come up with your own thing is part of the process. It's just nice to be able to understand how another artist might tackle it so that I can take that and put my own spin on it.

>then you post your attempt and the ref and we'll tell you what's fucked up.
The one I posted is entirely from imagination so I wasn't trying to copy anything in particular. Just what I've accumulated from my studies of the book.
>if it constantly looks fucked up to you, then analyze what you fucked up, and then fix it.
Yeah I do this, but I guess it's a matter of mileage and practice at this point.
>if you want a quick tip, then it looks to me like you need to learn how to reproduce a drawing by measuring relative proportions with your eye.
You're actually completely right, even after not seeing how terrible I am at copying. I realized this when gesture drawing. It's one of those skills that I've been trying to learn recently, although, admittedly, I've been slacking off because it's such a beast for me to tackle.

I know practice makes perfect but still I get uneasy. It's really annoying how irrational my mind gets even if I understand this.

>>3870731
>you'll get the best tips when you are clear about what you're going for, and honest with your attempt.
Also, this is a really big obstacle for me. I think it's an ego thing. I can't handle being terrible so I convince myself that I'm doing it in purpose. It definitely is a bad habit but I don't usually let that stop me. I make sure I'm very honest with approaches that I know won't reach the public. It's still something I need to work on because in some way, even if it's once every 30 practices, it can add up and ultimately affect the progress I make.
If I change this about myself I could change my mindset in the long run.

>>3870743
And so that it isn't mixed up, this isn't from imagination, I was referencing a folder of stylized anime as practice.

>>3870743
your heads suffer from microcephaly. The thing with anime is that you should know what your goal is and what style you prefer. It gets easier if you have an idol artist because you can just examine their shit. And since there are hundreds of animu artists drawing their own ideas of STYLIZED anatomy, if you don't have a goal, you're just going to get lost on what the fuck you're doing. For example, there are artists who delve closer to human anatomy. Their heads are on point with skull anatomy save for a few features they chose to alter because it appeals more to them to do them in that way. On the other hand, there are also artists whose heads go full forehead or eggnog. You gotta make it easier for you.

>>3870754
Good point. That makes too much sense. So pick a goal and focus on that, and then I can expand that once I have a solid foundation.

Always wondered what was wrong with them, but now that you say it I can see it clearly. I'll brush up on my proportions and come back at a later date. Thanks.

Checking bump limit

>>3871234
>Almost there

Stay on target!

>>3870690
why are you so salty

>>3871288
If I were truly salty I wouldnt give you a tip. Are you new here? Were you used to carebear tumblr? Perhaps you would like to go back to ledit?

>>3871595
I'm not even the guy you were giving advice to, chill out man

>>3871677
perhaps you should leave and never go back

>>3871595
waaaahhh, someone called me out for being an obnoxious cunt, stupid redditors!!!!