/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3856539
what the fuck

>>3856539
Concept artists on suicide watch lel

>>3856539
Thank god I can finally stop grinding since this software can now produce my vision for me. It’s more beautiful than I ever dreamed

Give us a link

Kill it

>>3856539
That's why you should be drawing porn. AI wouldn't be able to draw good porn for you. Everything else is compromised.

>>3856550
>inb4 an Ai can make porn out of stick figures

>>3856539
What the actual fuck? What's with a new technology appearing every week now?

>>3856556
effect of those everybody should learn to code programs?

>>3856555
trips of truth

>>3856550
I'd imagine someone could eventually convert porn shots into hentai like drawings with the effects and all, just a anime head ontop.

>>3856539
Well I knew it was coming, this is why I've been suicidal since 2014. I just wish people weren't so in denial about it.

>tfw didn't learn to code
welp

we need to go full neo-luddite
kill all programmers, ESPECIALLY machine learning ones
they are the devil

>>3856581
Most coders are fucking around with web shit anyway, guys working for companies doing cool stuff like this are <1%

>>3856586
This.
Death squads for programmers when?

im asking myself... why is everyone so upset about some drawing AI? could it be... that none of you actually enjoy the process of drawing? hmm.. really makes me think.

>>3856598
we are upset that it will devalue our work

>>3856550
Porn all looks the same. It's always the same poses and camera shots, it rarely changes. Even niche fetishes have always the same 2-3 things going on, all that changes is the characters. You can substitute the bulk of porn with machine learning once you can reliably slap any copyrighted character in your algorithm.
You can probably already automate all this by creating a script that rips the poses / animations off real porn, or 3D porn, and have it generate new porn just by choosing which overwatch characters or pokemon should be fucking.

The technology is probably already there but all you need is someone with the initiative of starting a website and investing some money in the tech. It's only matter of time before deep learning shit overrides all existing porn, there is SO much material to work with already you can probably create shit from any angle at 360 degrees.

>>3856603
But what if your fetish is an extremely niche combination of several different fetishes? Like transformation guro cuckoldry vore porn? No machine can learn to do that.

>>3856550
>AI wouldn't be able to draw good porn for you.
https://thisvaginadoesnotexist.com/

(okay so give it a few more years)

>>3856610
If the vagina didn't exist before the AI created it, then the vagina is only a few seconds old, meaning that site is 100% child porn.

>>3856600
how can something lose value that had no real value to begin with? i can only imagine that people get scared because they were aiming to make drawing their profession, which they never will because that approach is entirely stupid and wrong anyway. you get good at something because you like doing it.

>>3856607
That market would be so small it's unsustainable. There would be a bunch of artists drawing weird shit, sure, but all the regular porn artists, the SFM porn artists, the regular furry artists, anime porn artists, all of them will be gone. Imagine a site that can make your crack porn between Star Butterfly and Doraemon with just a click. Why would you need to commission some faggot on patreon

>>3856617
Imagine if someone makes a machine learning thing where you can feed it your shitty crudely drawn fursona and it automatically creates a gangbang scene with glowing horsecocks ramming your fursona in every hole
no more furry porn artists

porn artists would be over, normal not really, you can compare it to hand made stuff which costs s bit, well and ai wont copy every kind of style right away, ai also wont draw certain things

>>3856615
>you get good at something because you like doing it

yeah, and if I dont have money, I cant do it
almost every youth considers a career in art at some point because it seems like this fantasy life where your work is your passion and your world and you get paid to express yourself

Money is half the equation here

>>3856598
aifags are literally trying to kill the human soul by turning every aspect of our consciousness into a solved problem. if they ever succeed then life itself will cease to have any reason to continue. we'll simply be like the outdated laptop that you toss aside

programmer here

As impressive as it looks, I can easily understand how it works. It's not much more than an automatic background basher. Great for a quick background concept, but pretty limited overall. You can easily see that it's only for nature elements and you can't be too specific with it.

Artists need not worry. Not yet.

Soulful AI
Soulless /ic/

This technology has existed for a couple years and it hasn't replaced artists yet. I think everyone can agree that coloring/inking is the most algorithmic part of drawing (assuming you're going for realism), so it's not surprising that that's getting automated first. The final output is still only as good as your initial line drawing, there's still no program that will take a scribble and say "this is a human head" and fix the proportions and put it in perspective etc. I don't know how much input the user of the program has in the coloring process, but it can't be as much control as traditional painting gives you.
Ultimately this is all just an attempt to cope though. In principle, AI can and will completely replace human artists eventually. It's just a question of whether it will happen in our lifetimes.

Even if we do get to a point where AI can generate our art, a market will pop up for human-produced artwork because hold-outs won't feel the new product is "pure."

Also at that point we all have switched to UBI anyways so we can draw shit as a hobby instead while not having to worry about bills.

>>3856666
Also AI produced content will never evolve out of what mainstream audiences want because there won't be enough demand for it so anything niche or outside-the-box content will still have a space for human-produced content.

All I can see it does is fill and stretch a photo of your choice to a selection you draw. Photobashers are in trouble, but those who use photos to speed up design process will appreciate that kind of possibilities.

I'ts funny, when studying languages I always read about people worrying about machine translations advancing and stealing their jobs. And so I thought what's a good job a machine could never steal, mm, I know DRAWING

And now on my first day on /ic/, a board i never visited once in 8 years, I see this.

>>3856793
Machines are taking ALL the jobs in the future

>>3856793
No job is safe, it's all a matter of when rather than if.

>>3856614
give it 18 years

>>3856807
I for one wait for the day machines will take over the job called politics

>>3856819
desu if that happens world peace will literally happen since machine don't discriminate.

>>3856821
unless you have admin access

>>3856539
and AI still can't draw anime.

>>3856539
Looking forward to this, call it a shortcut if you want but sometimes you just want to see the vision/idea in your head with ease and without having to work painstakingly on every image seperately

I wonder if this is kind of what visualizing is like for those who have high visualization skill, just effortlessly producing a realistic image like that while the brain fills in the details

>>3856539
Hell yeah, my childish resistance to learning how to draw environments will finally pay off.

>>3856821
>implying the machines lust for anything other than war
You’ll be one of the first in the ground

>>3856860
you know, for those of us which fill in the details easy its because we already learned those details, just how the AI learned it, by looking at the world around us and taking note of it

I used to do it, I stopped, and now I am at it again. you can do it too anon, you just have to condition yourself

>>3856868
rather just let the AI do it, nothing beats pure randomness

>>3856821
The only way to fix humanity is to fucking nuke it all and start over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXWm6w4E5q0

AAAHH FUCK

This is gonna change things man, this is gonna fucking change things, hell I don't know why you lot are so upset either, you can make use of it to visualize your idea/landscape prior to drawing it down, this can definitely be used to enhance artistic vision as well as just maximum idea generation for concept art and whatever

fucking amazing

>>3856871
>pure randomness

This is one step from having brushes like
>super soldier armor
>wayne barlowe style creature
>huge fantasy castle
where you just make a random shape and it shits out 1000 finished concept arts
photobashfags absolutely BTFO

>>3856550
As long as people are fine with generic looking art, it'll be able to do it all, possibly in the next few years.
The only hope for porn artists will be to insert themselves into the "offer", so either be a (decent looking) woman or a cute trap, so that consumers blend the fantasy of the art, with the artist behind it, subconsciously.

I do see a future where more generic concept artists working on the next "Apex Legends" will get fire in bulk, and just keep a tiny team working with machine learning to churn out "super Soldier #3897", and maybe there'll be a natural selection for those who really have a unique style and vision, in more indie circles/smaller projects.

After all if you look at some of the videogame designs out there, it's not hard to believe they could've been made by an algorhythm, when they look so fucking bland.

>>3856880
Of course it was a bunch of fucking chinks who made this

>>3856544
Came here to post this

>>3856640
>Artists need not worry. Not yet.
I give things another 5-10 years

>>3856539
they should make an AI that makes aesthetic UI's. these programmers need that 10x more desperately

I don't draw for money so there's that.
And people tend to be way more impressed by a shitty life pencil drawing anyway and that is very rewarding.

>>3856949
Character art won't suffer because human touch is what makes it interesting. Compare Raita, Sakimichan and Shindol - they all have completely different styles, themes and techniques, and people like them for different reasons. A computer won't be able to do something like that without a lot of human involvement, which defeats the purpose. Unlike classic art, which relies heavily on realism and rigid rules (both of which can be emulated by a machine), contemporary art can't be emulated because it has no inherent logic or rules. An AI can only copy something from reference, and contemporary character art (be it hentai, cartoon design, or whatever else) has no general reference - everyone's doing whatever they want.

>>3856967
>A computer won't be able to do something like that without a lot of human involvement
Deep learning works by sifting through a bunch of examples doesn't? You can have each respective artist's art dumped separately into the learning phase, then when generating art you can have a checkbox for the style you want.
They already did this with Van Gogh paintings.

>>3856967
I would relativize that thought.
Modern cartoons, with the so-called "calart style" are getting pretty homogenous. A well-trained AI could possibly pull some credible designs.

>>3856970
yeah but to do that, you must have an artist with a decent amount of work to train your AI, and you can only train it to emulate. It can't create its own style.

Which is why it works so well with realism, because realism has a huge and consist reference library.

>>3856967
Most hentai images look similar enough, that you could feed a million of 'em in a dl machine and probably get something good enough for normies consuming their FAKKU hentai or random Twitter pin ups.
Not now, but in 5 or 10 years we'll probably get there.

>>3856995
Case in point: thiswaifudoesnotexist.net

>>3856997
this waifu does not exist only generates faces, and is, frankly speaking, not much more than symbol drawing. Algorithm got fed faces and can regurgitate a decent face back. But that's it, it's not even really good, it's just decent.
It's not even to the point of making full bodies, and that's not taking other elements like composition, perspective, and such.
Those AIs are /beg/s drawing symbols, they can't construct and gesture, and they won't be able to do it efficiently before years. Hand-drawn porn still has a bright future ahead.

>>3857027
I agree we aren't there yet, i think you're underestimating the speed at which this shit progresses.
I'll say though, subsidizing porn artist probably isn't a priority, so there's that.

>>3856793
My dad still makes good money as a translator even after all the advances in machine translation. People have been threatening his job with computers for 30 years and he just keeps on trucking.

programmers need to be shot
luddites rise the fuck up

If this actually concerns you then you're a shit artist
nobody will ever be interested in buying soulless machine art except business men

Awesome, now I won't get caught stealing real photos when I photobash.

>>3857053
>tfw translation technology has gone quite far but it really isn't perfect enough to last without a professional translator
Good for him.

>>3856603

Yet these machine learning algorithms can't propduce smooth and polished appealing art just yet. At best we can expect something that looks like screencaps from a blurry vhs snuff film in a forseeable future. And I guess that can have it's own kind of appeal. I'd imagine child porn enthusiasts and the like would be perfectly happy with that level of fidelity.

>>3857041
I'm a programmer and I studied AIs and machine learning in college almost 15 years ago.
Speech recognition was already a thing that worked, and we had graphic algorithm too already.
OP wouldn't have been out of place in the curriculum back then. It sure looks nice, but trust me on this, it's no breakthrought

>>3856821
If you think wars happen because of "discrimination" you're a fucking idiot. If anything an AI controlled government would go full purge on people that are statistically more likely to just be a net loss for society or otherwise harmful for the criteria the AI is given, because it won't give a shit about human rights.

>>3857063
>tfw I live in an illiterate European shithole
>looking for jobs in restaurants and pubs
>as I walk into a restaurant in the tourist area I see the owner bickering with a British client, there is clearly a language problem since the owner answers in [my language]. Client storms off seconds after I walk in.
>I approach the owner and say I'm looking for a job, hand him my resume, say I speak English and Japanese
>No we don't need any of that
People here have this mindset where it's ok if you do things like shit if you only need to do them once. It's not like that dumb tourist will ever come back anyway.

>>3856539
no soul

>>3857053
Machine translation is shit for languages that are distant from English like Chinese and Japanese. The idea of getting rid of human translators for those languages right now is laughable. idk how it is for closer languages like Spanish or French, I doubt it's all that great though.

>>3856539
I doubt this can even replace photobashers
let alone other kind artists

>>3857116
>>3857155
These. If your end product looks anything like the OP pic then you were shit anyway.

>>3856539
Can it draw qt husbandos yet?

>>3856539
it's basically a gloried clone stamp but the fact that it can kind of do reflection mapping is pretty impressive. i suspect we'll see drawing move more towards things like grease pencil than this at least in the immediate future
>>3857093
do you have any advice for learning the moonrunes anon?

>>3856603
This. Just think about it, once there is an app that makes a drawing/photo and "furrifies" it, you have essentially killed an entire industry.

>>3857310
I forgot most of it at this point, but you just buy Japanese for College Students and grind the shit out of it. I always practiced kanji with flashcards and wrote pages of them every day, kept a journal in Japanese, etc.
Basic Japanese is easy and kanji are mostly a memory thing, also once you buy the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary you can just look up new kanji you don't know.
The grammar is tough, because of how the language nests particles into particles to convey meaning. Also I had trouble with register (honorifics) simply because you don't usually speak with a lot of Japanese people so when it actually happens that you have to switch register you forget.
It's a beautiful language though, the way it's constructed is just so pleasing.

>>3856539
>Soulless and jarring
Even when ai become good enough to make their own art it will never be compelling

>>3857344
it looks exactly as soulless and jarring as concept art

>>3856610
This is probably the least optimized “does not exist” site all of the results are small and blurry, it looks like a magic eye photo generator

>>3857093
What european shithole is that, fren? I've encountered people like that here in burgerland.
translation is safe from ai. google translate is godawful garbage, especially for japanese. you have these shithead know-nothing "translators" who dump the whole manuscript in google translate and it shits out this schizophrenic pile of trash, and they'll sit there and argue that it's correct and just needs a bit of "tidying up." like nigga no that shit wronger than shit. language in general is too nuanced for ai.
animu sure, it's basically all the same shit same face you could automate. translation and literature? nope.

>>3857086
I meant how machines don't discriminate humans....

>>3857077
Kek it’s confirmed, anyone who enjoys AI art is a low key pedo

>>3857086
>Processing utopian government procedures... 99%
>...100%
>DING
>"It is done! After years of calculations, the great machine knows the path to peace and prosperity!"
>"What is that path, o great machine!"
>12% of the population
>"Oh no"
>52% of the crime
>"OH NO"
>DESTROY

>>3857342
Just use core deck for anki for kanji. I personally used KanjiDamage for mnemonics and I actually went through radicals first, but whatever.

For grammar there are tons of sources. Whatever works for you.

>It's a beautiful language though, the way it's constructed is just so pleasing.

I think it is a mess, wouldn't call it beautifully constructed. Whole kanji fkcluster is just nuts. Grammar is more streamlined, still it is highly contextual language.

>>3857870
Just watch Japanese youtube and subbed anime. Better join Japanese community of some online game. I'm Japanese and I learned English just like that. Instead of subbed anime, I watched American sitcom with english subs. And fiercely browsing 4chan.

>>3857998
Except you have zero reading comprehension without kanji.
I kind of agree with the rest, I learned A LOT from watching drama and tv shows.

>>3857870
>>3858005
It only takes a few months to learn kanji though. It's not a big hurdle like people make it out to be.

>>3858008
Maybe I am retarded, but It was a huge struggle for me personally. I know about 1300 kanji and that lets me read most news etc. but for novels I need to use dictionary a lot.

>>3858012
It mostly comes down to approach, and focus. But if you really want to get kanji, you can pretty easily pick it up in a few months if you focus exclusively on it. You're at a point where it probably wouldn't be worth it though. Keep posting pics.

>>3858012

There are only ~1800 kanji in modern Japanese so you're more than halfway done.

>>3856539
Sigh... Looks like shit. AI will never be able to surpass the creative genius of the living self aware god. We are the universe and our creations, no matter how smart they are, are mere shadows of ours. If you need to rely on an AI crutch to make art - you have no soul, and are dumb and making yourself even dumber and more like an animal by outsourcing creativity to a machine, hehe.

>>3858012
Once you mastered 2000 kanji, it's not the goal. For one kanji has tons of different way of reading. Like 日

>>3858015
Maybe I was not clear- kanji on they own are not that hard. But it is not about knowing kanji, it is about knowing vocabulary that kanji are used with. That comes with 一、人 and 一人, or 一、日 but 一日. Those are just simplest examples. So kanji =/= ideogram, but also kun/ onyomi plus shit as above. I studied for N2 (passed December test on my first try, but I almost failed reading section), I needed more or less 6000 vocabulary. If you exclude katakana words that means between 3-5 combined "words" per single kanji. So no, for me kanji was hard as hell.

>>3858024
Jōyō are over 2000, that what I would need for N1. Not worth the time as I think 50% of kanji are used like 80% of the time or something.
>>3858030
Yeah, I feel you. I explained what I meant by studying kanji above.

>>3858033
Yes, I'm aware of what you were talking about. But, knowing kanji = easy vocab acquisition. Learning all the kun/onyomi doesn't matter if you don't have vocab to associate it with, so why learn it without the vocab? You can, however, learn kanji by themselves with meaning attached to them. So, why not do that, and then learn the readings as you learn vocab? You're just wasting time and energy doing it the way you suggested.

>>3858042
>You can, however, learn kanji by themselves with meaning attached to them

If you are talking about Helsing method, some people use it but it is a meme on /int (I didn't use it because I had 6 months to go through remaining 800 kanji I didn't yet know that I needed for N2, and Helsing would take too much time). If you mean mnemonics, then that's what I did. I used http://www.kanjidamage.com/kanji/128-cheap-safe-%E5%AE%89 but it is non PC site- I love it. I actually used core 2k/6k deck and looked up each new kanji on kanjidamage for mnemonics and lookalikes. Jisho.org was also usefull for frequency/ jlpt level approximation.

>>3858047
Not necessarily Heisig, but something along those lines, yeah.
>I didn't use it because I had 6 months to go through remaining 800 kanji
I got ~1700 kanji into my head in around 2 months. You're vastly overestimating the amount of time it'd take, or you're just going too slow. The main point I'm trying to make, is that there's no point in knowing all of the on/kunyomi of a kanji, if you have no actual application for it. If you needed to know them for a test, sure, go nuts. Otherwise, why do it when you can instead learn it in context, and alongside something you can actually use it with?

>>3858053
I had to know kun/ on for test, also I would argue it is worth time to spend more time on each kanji if you already know it's meaning so you can actually use your Japanese in everyday situations. Otherwise you will end up like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqT_mLiTq7A

art being made by robots wouldn’t discourage me from drawing, it’s unhealthy to constantly worry about competition anyway. there will always be artists that are better. if you really believe in the soul/soulless memes then who cares if a soulless program can recreate art from a database of images. you have your own unique vision that at least you can appreciate, and if you work hard enough then at least some other people will too. realize your own maximum potential before you give a shit what other people are doing.

>>3858055
Yeah, that's completely reasonable then. I understand, and even kinda agree with what you're saying there, but I think it comes down to the person studying though. I swear to god I had a point about it not being worth studying each kanji in depth on your first go, and just getting the basic meaning down, but I've been up for almost 20 hours now, and I'm kinda fading off. I'm headed to sleep, but it was a fun chat. Thanks for the pics.

>>3858062
Good night, anon-kun~!

>>3856906
>>3856739
Fucking retards, all this does is make shit easier for photobashers. You people are so stupid, I can't even comprehend the depths of your mental retardation...

>>3858068
>all this does is make shit easier for photobashers

>all these machines do is make things easier for textile workers
>well... turns out we don't need these high-pay, high-skill textile workers since we can automate most of the process, so we can hire untrained people, pay them less, and reduce our crew for maximum profit!

>>3856544
this won’t ruin anything for concept artists. It might be useful to them but it won’t chabge who’s good or not.

>>3858068
>all this does is make shit easier for photobashers
Good to see photobashing merc_wip shitters becoming less and less valuable for the industry due to supply of "concept artist" going way beyond the demand.

>>3856539
>left - Soul
>right - Soulless

>>3856662
sourtce

>>3858066
>come for AI discussion
>end up collecting pictures of cute asians

I predict an ic board for robots soon where they algorithmically generate shit posts about the art that they've generated

>>3856550
Do not listen to this pervert demon trying to corrupt you & make you lose all dignity...

>>3856539
who gives a fuck
drawing is still fun

>>3857053
That's because oral translation is far ahead of the current machines & require lots of human interactions, of course he's not getting replaced! Translating online text, however...

>>3857056
WORDS OF TRUTH
If you can easily be replaced by a machine, the problem isn't the machine...
Make yourself hard to replace! Dont be a generic artist with no creativity or originality!
This will filter a lot of the low skilled people for sure.

>>3859018
A thousand times this. This will just get rid of the low-skills, pros and masters are safe.

Preface: I've written papers in medical computer vision and high-dimensional optimization strategies for neural networks. Admittedly, I dont work much with generative stuff, but theres a few guys in my office who do and keep me up to date with the state of the art.

It's very, very unlikely that AI will replace drawing completely. There's a lot of reasons why, but the easiest one to understand is that the generative research community is kinda grasping at straws right now, rehashing pretty old research with minor updates. The most revolutionary stuff was last released in like 2015, its been low key since

>>3858201
merc_wip was a photobash!?

they used to say the same about photography lmao

>>3859074
does it make sense monetary wise to spend resources on developing this kind of ai tech anyways? It can help with illustration/ matte painting, but concept design is something else.

>>3858985
>I could render pixel perfect space battles, but I couldn't render love

>>3859352
>they used to say the same about photography lmao
Yeah it totally didn't utterly annihilate illustration as a career

>>3859355

It makes sense. Not because it'll pay off, but because theres so much hype for it right now that just bragging that you have a research team doing generative stuff can get some very smart people in your lab. And having smart people is the biggest reason why so many companies are starting up internal AI research labs

>>3859259
No but it was going for the feeling of generic photobashed garbage. This subtle irony deliberately achieved through dissonance of masterful technique and subversion of concept art tropes is what makes it such a memorable masterpiece.

>>3859259
Everything I believed in was a lie.

>>3856662
>. In principle, AI can and will completely replace human artists eventually. It's just a question of whether it will happen in our lifetimes.

By the point this happens the AI will effectively be another human.

>>3856662
>AI can and will completely replace human artists eventually.
Nope. You have either to be a non-artist to say that or just don't understand how AI and human brain work.

>>3860049
Pretty much.
>>3860257
The human brain isn’t special. If we can create a synthetic mind, it will be able to create art.

>>3860257
>You have either to be a non-artist to say that or just don't understand how AI and human brain work.
No, *you* don't understand how AI and the human brain work. Care to point out a single thing that can be modeled by biochemical processes that can't be modeled by electronic ones? We're a very, very long way away from it, but it's certainly possible, and will happen in the long run.
inb4 religious free will fag

>>3860282
The human brain is much more powerful than you know foolish bug.

>>3856539
Artificial Intelligence turns simple sketch into photorealistic masterpiece
>masterpiece
ROFL

Daymn

>>3857056
>Only the people with money won't be interested in paying you
Nothing to worry about.

>>3856539
>no normie, digital drawing its not pressing a bunch of big buttons and ...

>>3858838
if your 4chan lurks dont end all with collecting pics of cute asians you are doing something wrong

>>3856539
Where can I find this?