/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Thoughts?

>>3853741
post the ref, no way he got such huge ass unless is a shot from behind

what drawing exercising should i do to improve on my line art and textures?

>>3853743

>>3853756
well is still a sketch so there's no much to say , i hope you keep in mid the his body proportions in that angle, isn't his right horn almost pointing upwards and the small pike to 7 o'clock

>>3853741
>>3853756
Overlap your image with your lines. You'll find out all the flaws. Like the neck not being as steep as the image, not the body not being as long as it is in the image. Remember, you need to draw what you see, not what you think you see.

>think of storylines for a comic for warhammer and outline the pages
>too lazy to put in the effort to learn how to draw
>tfw 27

>>3853777
thanks for letting me know anon

>>3853773

Is there some sort of benefit if it’s 1:1

>gesture drawing: draw gestures under a time pressure
>some philosophy: you can't rush art
So how can I explain this? Like, If I draw gestures quick under 4 minutes, I still have time for refinement and making the clear line?

How do I make sure I'm learning the "right way" aka being able to visualize 3d form and not leaning on any crutches? what are the right paths to learning versatility and maximum fundies? how do I separate what is useful to learn from what is not?

>>3853800
To add to this, and I don't mean to fetishize being able to draw completely from imagination, but how do I learn how to analyze and learn from reference but avoid being unable to draw without it?

>>3853793
these are exercises
they aren't art
quick gesture help you fail faster and draw more figs per days greatly improve proportions and hand-eye

So I'm like two hours into this zebra on my sixth day of learning to draw and I'm not really sure if I'm practicing right.
The first thing the sticky recommends that you do is learn to copy, so I was trying to approximate the proportions of the zebra in my head, mark them onto the page, and basically play connect-the-dots. (I eventually got kinda lazy and started eyeballing the stripes.) I'm not even trying to construct it or anything.
So, is this even worthwhile practice or should I jump directly to loomis and drawabox, or something else? Is it even worth finishing the zebra?

>>3853820
>he fell for the read sticky

>>3853820
I think it would help you a lot more to copy horses instead of needlessly complicated zebra patterns, unless you're using the stripes as a way to make sure your lines are in the right spots
at this point construction and seeing the 3d forms in what you're drawing is your main concern

>>3853825
The main reason for a zebra was because I joined /las/ and dad.gallery had a "draw your animal" challenge and I got a zebra, though I managed to screw up and fail to actually enter it anyway.
You do think I should just focus on construction rather than trying to copy, though? Supposedly I'm trying to learn to see things objectively or whatever, but I feel more like I'm just mindlessly copying. Loomis and drawabox feel a lot more productive to me.

>>3853823
Yep. If you want to save me from falling for the Loomis meme too, now's your chance, because that looks like the next thing I'll be doing.

>>3853777
i'm kinda in the same boat, i have scripts for comics but a can't draw for shit

>>3853817
So buddy, what's the gains once I get to draw a lot of figures?

give thought

>>3853859
neon colors are big no no
>>3853751
I believe if you were to try out ink, which would limit your tones to only black and white, and then try to do textured surfaces with that would be pretty good, the limitation would teach you a lot.

>>3853861
>neon colors are a big no no

whys that? I thought it contrasted well with the depressive look.

>>3853864
it just looks bad and even worse in an amateurish drawing.

>draw from photo
>it looks kinda OK
>draw the same pose while using 8-head proportions from loomis
>it looks like shit with ridiculously long legs
I don't know what went wrong.

>>3853868
8 heads is kind of a stretch.
mind to post ref?

>>3853780
What is the reason you are you copying it?

>>3853866
why even call it amateurish without detailing whats wrong? Do you just want to insult someone instead of helping them improve?

>>3853883
this is the beginner threat, of course thigns are going to be amateurish.

>>3853885
One is before one is after, is there any improvement or difference at all, I went through an online course(that I got for free) before attempting second time, this time with knowledge of negative space, just looking at abstract shapes, some perspective and light.

>>3853886
ah ok

>>3853838
You'll feel more comfortable drawing in time, for now do the loomis thing but don't get stuck on it. It's not a bible, it's not the best, it's just beginner friendly. Learn what you can from it then hop to perspective and anatomy if you want to draw anime harlots.

>>3853888
Still check your angles, especially around the handle of the cup.
Break it down into three/four straight lines which have roughly the right angles then smooth it out.

Also shading glass/ceramics is super hard; maybe find a plastic mug?

>>3853871
Sure, here you go Anon.

>>3853894
Alright, thanks!

>>3853771

>>3853905
damn

>>3853868
>>3853899
she should be 7 heads tall.

>>3853868
>>3853910
The problem isn't how many heads tall she actually is. The problem is that in your 8 head rendition, you were the one who drew her with ridiculously long legs. The crotch is at the 4 head mark for 8 head figures, but you decided to put it at like 3.5 heads down, throwing off the relative proportions completely.

>>3853916
Yeah, I see what you're talking about. Thanks for pointing it out!

>>3853805

Learn construction vs just being a human copy machine. That's why people are always recommending Loomis and others to learn from. If you learn construction of the form, when you draw from life you be understanding how all the different parts of the body relate to each other and interact in space instead of just copying what is in front of you exactly.

Gestures are hard! Am I on the right track for gesture drawing? Feedback is much appreciated!

>>3853936
Gestures are not supposed to be done through construction

They must be quick and avoid stiffness as much as possible

>>3853938
So gestures are more on practice and quick references?

Comments and critique very much appreciated

>>3853991
>>3848147

>>3853820
>drawabox
Do the original instead, the Dynamic Sketching program from Peter Han.

Just started. Drew my hand. Only had dull pencil. Oddly don't have a sharpener.

>>3854075
You can use a knife.

>>3853936
What gesture.

>>3854086
Any of them really. I still have this unanswered though >>3853941

>>3854078
I am waiting on a sharpener presently.

>>3854090
What do you think gesture is?

>>3854090

Gestures are more to capture the flow/motion and general measurements of the figure. They can be used just for practice, but more importantly so you can get something down quickly on the paper that is accurate and natural, and that you can build upon to get a good finished drawing. Exactly how much info you include varies by the artist, but it’s fairly common to have a bit of simple torso structure, then quick, simple lines to capture the gesture of the limbs.

>>3854098
How does gesture differ from quick sketch?

>>3854096
At first, I thought it was poses or some stuff like that
>>3854098
Thanks a lot! I got another question. If gestures are to get a quick gist of a figure, what about construction drawing?

>>3853751
Draw bigger, your lines are too big to capture that kind of texture. Transition from rough blocking, to capturing and adding emphasis to the important contours, and vary your line weight more, especially on the textures. Go from largest shapes to smallest.

You have the basic shape, now refine it, and pay attention to the contours that indicate the shapes.

>>3853938
This.

Look for the S curves, contour, and movement. Make the figure flow. It's not about accuracy, it's about capturing the pose.

>>3853941
Gesture is capturing the pose and movement of the body through space. It's a exercise to learn to see the body, how it moves, and how the figure balances - looking for the center of mass, how to ground the figure with the feet, then flowing through the center of mass. It's about capturing the impression of the pose.

You do this in the beginning, and add to it as you master it, until you're doing finished work that starts with the gesture, and is refined from there.

>>3854102

I'm not sure exactly what you want to know, but usually it goes gesture: get a quick feeling for the motion and measurements -> then construction: build upon the gesture using different forms.

>>3854098
>>3854106
>>3854110
>>3854111
pyw

>>3854115
>sugar is sweet
>yeah, right. show me your cooking

big yikes

Well I've been practising drawing and shit for about 10 months now. Kind of finding my style, so hey! Have a sketchpage of sorts.

>>3854121
Aaaand I just realised the image is sideways. For some reason.
FML.

Aaah, y'know what, have some digital art along with it, might as well post something 'decent'.

>>3854121
>Kind of finding my style

>>3854125
top kek

>>3854125
That got a pretty good chuckle out of me, gotta admit!
And eh, I'm not trying to be all 'ohh it's just my style get over it', but... eh, I dunno, actually figuring out how I like to draw is pretty important, don't you agree?

Was it a mistake to use charcoal in conjunction with normal pencils? Should I have just used a darker pencil for the darker parts?

>>3854132
I think it looks pretty decent anon.
The irises are vastly different sizes btw.

>>3854129
it's important to figure out how you like to draw, but only after you figure out how to draw

>>3854138
Very solid advice! It's certainly something I'm striving for, so for now I've mostly just been trying to figure out how to improve on digital art, figure drawing, backgrounds...

>Vilppu:I'm not copying the pose i'm feeling it
so do I need to know anatomy to gesture draw like him?

>>3854106
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind
>>3854110
So it's capturing poses in motion, I see
>>3854111
Got it, thanks man!

>>3854153
You either learn how to copy from reference very well (which is bad and leads you nowhere), or you use it your reference as,well, reference. You need to learn anatomy in order to draw your subject with depth and realism

>>3854153
You need to know form.

Not a beginner, but I realized this neat little trick which I wanted to share.

If you want to give a beginner an appreciation for how linear perspective models real life, tell them to look at a bug screen mounted on a window. It acts like a perspective grid. Any which way you look at it, the horizontal lines of the bug screen will match the horizon line and the edges of buildings.

Time to watch some Moderndayjames I guess...

>>3853823
>>3853838
Wait, are you not supposed to use the sticky? I just downloaded one of the loomis books because I didn't feel like buying them.

Not my work but why does this look off to me?

>>3854331
Shit perspective.

What should I do differently?

>>3854191
Actually pretty neat

Can anyone suggest a good art history documentary? I'm in a mood to watch something like that.

>>3854370
Make your shadows darker. The lightest shadow should be darker than the darkest light.

>>3854370
Paint from reference. Your blending it ugly. Learn perspective.

>>3853875
How utterly oblivious to art do you have to be to ask something like this?

>>3854401
I know the blending is bad but how do I fix it?

>>3854272
free form painting

>>3853739
What sketchbooks are the best for a logo designer?

>>3854451
is that a rectal prolapse

>>3854455
Autodesk sketchbook.

>>3854410
>Doesn't answer the question
I wanted to know why you'd be ok with copying something inaccurately, doesn't make any sense. It's not even a different perspective, just shit observation, an incomplete rendering and wireframe. All you(or the poster, if you're not them) said was "thoughts?". How the fuck is the reader supposed to magically infer what the fuck you're trying to say?

>>3854413
Stop noodling around in it.

hey /beg/ gonna be on the bus for 2 hours what should I draw?

>>3854566
draw me a gf

>>3854569
oh my god I'm still learning fundamentals
It would be blasphemous for me to even attempt to draw something as complex as a human being

>>3854575
I'm not picky.

>>3854577
Ok I will do my best
I hope you like monster girls

>>3854578

>>3853905
You made the face too thin

>>3854642
it literally doesn't even look that different to me. How about you try drawing it?

no but you're right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>3853905
Fucking nice.

>>3854672
I mean at first glance it looks good but still doesn't really match the reference lol.

What are some good art streamers I should watch?

I'm finding printer paper to be kinda small
is a good sketchbook worth the investment?

>>3854683
You're going to get a sketchbook larger than printer paper...?

>>3854686
I mean yeah why not?

>>3854692
For me, the whole point of a sketchbook is that it's small enough to carry around. But hey yeah you do you.

I find printer paper too small as well, so I draw on a pad of A2 newsprint when I'm at home.

Although, I'll say that sketchbooks can be harmful if you're too precious with it.

>>3854683
Yeah. 11x15 or so is about right for most things without being unwieldy.

>>3854699
My friends draw a big ol' dick on the inside of the cover so you don't covet it or try to show off.

>>3854704
I'd show off a big dick. I would draw a micro dick instead. But yeah I get your point, that's a (good?) idea.

>>3854699
Genuinely curious, but harmful how? In that you won't draw on or in anything else?

>>3854711
Yeah, that's it. Harmful is really not the best word to use, sorry. Here's me being too precious with sketchbooks:

>desire to draw
>let's draw in the sketchbook
>scared to add a bad drawing in there
>don't draw as a result

or

>draw anyway, it ends up being pretty shitty
>if i don't rip it out, i have to look at that shitty drawing each time i flip through the book
>self-confidence takes a hit

Granted, not everyone is an emotionally fragile little bitch, but I certainly am and I'm sure there are literally dozens of us out there.

>>3854720
I just rip out the pages that suck :D

>>3854722
Me too, now I just have a bunch of spiral coils with two covers on it.

>>3854727
Epic

>>3854720
You could always have the "wow i've improved since i last sketched this shit, let's keep it going" attitude.

>>3854733
>wow I've improved
;_;

>>3854720
I just get some dollar store ones I don't feel bad about ruining.

>>3854733
Yeah that happens too sometimes. But my attitude is never really consistent. Sometimes I'll feel a drive to improve after seeing how far I've come, and sometimes I'll feel like why even bother if it took so long to make so little progress. Again, it's my problem that I shouldn't blame on the concept of sketchbooks. I just avoid it to sidestep the whole thing altogether.

Whenever I try coloring, I end up getting stuck with a pic that looks kinda like pic related. Values are kinda in place, but I just can't get over it.

Sure, I know some parts aren't even done (like arms) so please ignore that, because even if I do finish those, it kinda ends up stuck like the torso is currently. I have painted the abdomen area like 3 times already, and I always end up stuck the way it looks now, or something similar. I just end up redrawing the same shit.

Anyway what am I missing? What should I practice? Should I just accept that once I hit a plateau when coloring, I call it a day and move on to the next paining?

>>3854757
draw more, you should be drawing

>>3854051
Not that anon but is there anywhere to get the Dynamic Sketching program for free? I can't afford a $600 course right now

>>3854757
Draw more. Try to reference major muscle groups and protruding bones. That way you will get shapes instead of one big mass.

>>3854801
>Try to reference major muscle groups and protruding bones
Thanks, this gives me something to start with. I know I need to practice to get better, it's clear I won't get better by shitposting on an australian cobbler forum

ok so i listened to you guys. quickposes actually feels nice to look at. is it better?

Critique please

>>3854829
40/4

>>3854451
Victorian Fashion looks great but is hell to draw. I'll be more careful about my lines next time, it's really messy because I had issues understanding what was going on. On the male, it went relatively better tho.

>>3854788
it's on cg.

How the fuck do I get used to drawing with a digital pad? Are there any tips or is it just a matter of putting time until it feels natural?
I can't even draw a straight line between 2 points.

I'm using a wacom ctl-470 in krita if it makes a difference.

>>3854907
It’s like using a mouse, you don’t notice once you think about it that way. Use it as your mouse for a week and it’s hard to go back.

>>3854908
>3854908
I have 2 monitors. Will it fuck me up if i map the pad to both monitors, then switch to one?

Made this moeshit auto generated prompt sketch and am working on line art but I don’t know how to color/render it at all
Help

>>3854842
This looks great anon keep at it

>>3854825
Yes looks good but it will never not help to keep grinding more fundies

>>3853936
cute nugget you drew, anon

I demand a redline.

>>3855005
>>>/a/lt

welp

>>3855018
Practice by making a head first so you can better understand where everything is

>>3854720
Happened to me until I bought OTHER books specifically for my garbage, I even used lined notebooks to store my shit and exercises
>>3854735
Hey we did the same thing lmao

I’m trying to stop drawing chibi/amimu faces, does this still look like a weeb drew it?
Also does anyone have good resources for how hair works?

>>3855134
>I’m trying to stop drawing chibi/amimu faces

pic related but at what cost...

>>3854920

I have an old Intuos 3 and I set one of the buttons to change the monitor it will work on, mapping it to both is awful af

>>3855134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHewz3JbKrQ

>>3855144
Feels great. Thank you

>>3855144
Wdym?

>>3854925
I like the style
It would be interesting if you could clean it up and line it properly
but all in all pretty good

I was goin for beep from kenshi
dell me what I fucked up or what i should change??

>>3855150
i mean what i said. i think this is what it would look like if a weeb drew it

Ive read some persons recommend to correct all your drawings when practising but others recommend to not touch the eraser. Which one is it?

>>3854932
Thank you Anon !!

>>3855171
Which one is what?

>>3855166
noice

Otters are cute, but showing their furry texture in pencil is a nightmare.

online buddy told me his sister got a nose job but wouldnt show before or after pics

>>3855166
By “anime” I meant I was using chibi/moeblob as a crutch for not actually improving. Yours obviously has actual effort put into it

>>3855481
Are you making more progress by doing this >>3855134
compared to
>using chibi/moeblob as a crutch for not actually improving

Nice drawing btw, the freckles are a nice touch. Can you post some of your chibi moeblob stuff too? I would love to see some of it.

Gym has routines that you follow everyday and you get results.
Running has it the same.
Writing also and same goes for gaming etc.
What is the /beg/ to /advanced/ routine to do EVERYDAY? How should I construct it?

>20 min gesture
>40 min from life
>daily
?
Is there a guide like this? thanks

>>3855501
>20 minutes light-hearted browsing of /ic/
>6 hours arguing about learning methods
>2 hours in deep thought about whether Loomis is a meme
>2 minutes drawing
>1 hour crying yourself to sleep

daily routine

>>3855501
I wish I knew this, too. When I know something WILL work, I'd grind it to no end. But when the methods don't exactly have an explanation, or an explanation that doesn't make complete sense, I start to doubt if it will work. Most of my time goes in thinking how I should be getting good, and changing my methods to what I think makes sense every day. This means I'll be spending my whole day on 2 drawings, mostly confused and shooting in the dark.

Reading Hampton, am I doing this right? AKA I am supposed to experiment and draw what each page is teaching me?

>>3855516
on a scale of 1-10, how much effort did you put into those drawings?

>>3855516
What is going on in there? Can you give the page number?

>>3855518
a 2, I'm just did this because to see if I could do pic related at various angles quickly.
>>3855519
Page 16, what I'm asking is should I draw and practice alongside reading or do I read a bunch then do gesture in a corner, or both.

>>3855526
I'm not sure. What I do though, is read first so I get the reasoning and info, then focus purely on practicing if the author convinced me.

>>3855501
>Writing also
Really? Can I get source on that? I'm interested.

>>3855531
Sounds good, grazie

>>3855501
nobody can answer that, honestly it's quite weird.

even people who are pros and have made it will give you vague advice, that boils down to "just draw".

aguri guide is a nice resource, it's very nicely organized and I assume if you follow that you'd get good. the only issue is it's quite outdated, i'm sure there's more efficient ways to learn now.

>>3855005
redline for fix please.

>>3855634
>>>/a/lt

>>3855655
what the fuck does that mean?

redline 4 fix please.

>>3853905
I actually think this is more appealing than the ref (apart from line quality of course). That's probably by accident though.

Trying to define form without straight outlining. Its messy but I think Its working?

>>3855154
this is pretty alright, did you try drawing with darker lines?
the only real things i'd change is i'd try to put more emphasis on shape, for example the belts on the dustcoat, they could add that emphasis just by having more refined look.
but overall it's pretty good

>>3853888
have you thought about tracing thd shadow of an actual mug?

It may help you with perspectives a bit

>>3855670
Well, I can't really see anything other than a basic figure outline. Shouldn't you be using the side of your pencil for this stuff?

Another attempt

How do I access textbooks freely? Total beginner here trying to access /ic/ recommended books

>>3855733
Also should I practice on lined paper? Should I nick some printer paper somewhere or buy a sketch book?

I'm trying with a Samsung tablet and a pen covered with sandpaper

>>3855682
>a basic figure outline
With very, very fucked up proportions

>>3855733
b-ok.org

>>3855754
May Kek, Allah, Buddha and Jeebus smile down upon you and your children for an eternity

>>3855733
Look at the stickys table of content, and checkout the art book thread.

Spent my steam games money on fancy sketch paper and pigment liner thinking it would be easier to draw with those than with a mechanical pencil on print paper fsr, but actually found it to be harder.

This is what I've done so far plus a pinecone bc I couldn't take another week of doing nothing but exercises.

How do I get more comfortable with using the liner if I've only used pencil before? Can't fuck up indefinetly nor vary pressure to get lighter/darker shades. Although I more or less like my pinecone I think it looks dirty or messy, since I honestly didn't have much idea of what I was doing.

>>3855761
>vary pressure to get lighter/darker shades.
If you wantedto do that, why did you buy that kind of pen? You need something like builds up like marker etc
If you want to learn confident lines and crosshatching, this is the pen you use
If you want variations in tone, and to do lots of sketchy lines, drop it.

attempted to draw a hot orc. what can I do to not fail so much

>>3855816
Symbol drawing. It's more likely than you think.

>>3855823
Stay on the page, and draw real people.

i'm trying to re(learn) live drawing from scratch after i've hit a wall. i never really used much construction and i'm trying to learn it from a steve huston book now.

question: where should i put the shoulder line? the top of whats visible? or going through certain fixed points (top of shoulder joints + where the clavicles meet or something like that)? should it be the same as the top of the cylinder that constructs the torso?

maybe i'm autistically overthinking this but it but i want understand this properly

>>3855824
Damnit. I'm confused, how do I get out of that?

>>3855837
What does steve say?

Keys to Drawing Project 3 - B here, using midpoint sighting and 'plumb and level'

as ugly as this is I think it turned out alright proportions wise, apart from the entire arm being kinda fucked and the head too wide

>>3854842
did you check the clothing fold videos I sent? these kind of look like melting wax, the lack of line variety doesn't help in that regard either

>>3855854
and the reference; not too bothered about the drawing being uncensored since it looks nothing like him, besides the bald spot

>>3855824
Like, just use more shading instead of outlines for the eyes or something? :/ which parts are symbols?

>>3855854
and here's Project 3 - C, all about foreshortening
this one was hard as hell

>>3855675
yea i gotta admit the belts were half-assed
thanks for the critique!

>>3855861
feet and legs are far too small, I should have taken the right one out more
the entire perspective seems off really, like I'm looking down on him as opposed to a lower angle

>>3855859
Simply saying, the eyes don't exist. You are NOT drawing the eyes. You're drawing the lines from your reference.

>>3855853
he's not being terribly specific

from the illustrations i'd guess it's supposed to go through the shoulder joints and where the clavicles meet (front) or the first 'neck vertebrae' (back)

>>3855867
Kinda more like this?

>>3855880
Guessing won't fix it.

>>3855884
I'm not guessing, the reference doesn't have such a defined line at the bottom of the eyes. Can you show me what you mean?

>>3854842
Some more.

>>3855888
your drawing has little construction or gesture. your lines are short, use longer pencil strokes generally, it'll produce more flow/gesture, be mindful of directions in your reference (the general tilt of the face, how the left eyebrow flows into the nose etc). put down some basic construction first and make sure it's accurate (angle of the face, width x height, line for the eyes, brows, bottom of nose, lips). look up some basic stuff on shading if you really wanna get into that yet.

understand the shapes you're looking at and their volume and how they produce the lines you see

generally try to observe as closely as you can and take you're time, always before you draw a line look try to understand its size in proportion to the rest, curvature, angle, and let your lines be informed by shapes rather than just slavishly following the darkest lines on your reference

shitty sketch to illustrate what i mean, not great either i'm /beg/ af

>>3855913
Thank you. I'll work on it.

>>3855888
In your picture, the bottom lid is almost a straight line. That's because you're drawing a symbol of an eye. Notice how in your photo, the bottom lid is a very curved line, and two eyes are completely different.

>>3855824
What is symbol drawing?

>>3855913
Not OP but this is really helpful to me. I'm going to screenshot this and save it for later. Thank you, anon!

>>3855920
Layman's terms, you're drawing with what YOU subconsciously THINK a shape looks like rather than what you actually see.

>>3855916
you'll get there. shits hard in the beginning

>>3855920
drawing what's really a simple internalised (symbolic) placeholder vs what's actually there in your reference. like pic related

>>3855924
lmao glad it helped, but get a good book on figure drawing if you're serious about it i'm just some tit with very basic drawing knowledge. loomis / huston are good, you can get most of their stuff online

>>3855657
Ruby is was hotter than Iris. Dem fucking stockings and pure white skin hnngnfhsdfgasgdfsertysfg

Oh and the goth chick is hot too.

>>3855928
I actually downloaded all of Loomis today! Is there any specific book I should start on before I go onto the others or do any of them work? Which would you recommend I start on?

Started drawing again last year after having my wrist roughly introduced to lead pipe a few years prior. I feel my hatching is too indecisive or the line width is off. This is one of those sketches where you just kind of draw automatically and fill in things as you go along.

>>3855935
figure drawing for all it's worth is the one if you want to get into that, though i'd recommend steve huston's Figure Drawing for Artists over that. it's a broader approach that introduces the general concepts of construction / gesture slowly and has plenty of exercises throughout to help you digest what's being taught.

i'd recommend you do loomis afterwards, it's similar plus it has good basic information on fixed proportions and basic anatomy that'll help you draw stuff from imagination. it's also a bit more stern and geared towards ongoing illustrators, written from a 50ies perspective. huston is easier to digest

>>3855761
Every medium and tool is gonna have a "break in" period, when you get used to it. Falling back on exercises is a good way to plow through it. Pencil to pen is a big change, give it time, dig into the process of getting comfortable with it, and accept that it's going to take some time to get acceptable results.

>>3855880
Your biggest weakness right now is measuring, you have her proportions all off, and you've elongated and distorted her face.

Forget shading for now. Work on capturing the contours of her face, and the correct proportions. Start with big, basic shapes - she has a teardrop shaped face, but you've drawn an oval. And, you haven't measured the proportions of her face, and elongated the bridge of the nose.

Then, work on refining what's actually there. You haven't indicated the fold of the eyelid over her eye, for example. And, you've not captured the actual shapes of her mouth, you've drawn a symbolic mouth.

Take what you've done, and do a transparent overlay over the reference. This will show you exactly where you need to pay more attention.

Pretty bog standard as a beginner attempt. And, pretty standard advice - measure and look at what's really there, not what you think is there. You're on the right path.

How did I do guys?

>>3855974
Cute, got blog?

>>3855975
Just an instagram
Are there better platforms?

>>3855974
you forgot to shade the clothes too

>>3855977
Dunno, I'd follow on twitter at least

>>3855945
Just bought it on Kindle! really looking forward to reading this one! It looks promising! So after this one, would you recommend reading Figure Drawing For All It's Worth or Drawing The Head & Hands? Or is there a different book I should go with instead?

>>3855978
I might shade it, but I'm trying to keep it simple color wise. This is part of a series of drawings I'm going to try to get embroidered into morale patches for /k/

>>3855990
the disparity between the shaded and highlighted hair/skin to the flat everything else was just sticking out a lot to me is all

>>3855970
Got it. Thanks for the feedback.

>>3855993
Fersure, I agree. I'll probably just do a low opacity layer before I post this

>>3855983
Eh, my twitter is my personal account so I try not to post much weeb stuff so I can keep my power level hidden

I feel retarded. I'm not a furry but can someone give me a quick rundown on how to draw dogs/wolves? I know all of these are really quick and cartoony.

>>3854925
Youre very talented. If you need help ping me on discord.

>>3855383
i didnt give anyone a job, fake news.

>>3856030
Have you ever considered drawing from references to the point where you understand dog anatomy?

first time posting my art

>>3856034
heh

>>3856032
Can I message you as well for art help?

>>3856038
This is facts. A lot of these are sort of from reference, but using very basic shapes.

>>3855974
x

>>3856041
Cute hair and puffy cheeks, neck is too long. Also try drawing the hands and feet. The sooner you take them on the sooner you'll learn how to draw them. Also perspective in the eyes and distortion.

>>3856054
Thanks anon, this is killer!

Trying out painting some landscapes, how does this look?

>>3855790
It's not that I wanted to do that. I meant to say I took stuff like that for granted when drawing with a pencil, but now that I'm trying to transition to pen drawing I'm struggling, and wanted some advice on how to do it. Mainly to avoid developing bad habits.

Like, how do I even crosshatch? Must lines follow the surface or should I ignore that? Should my drawings be bigger to have more space to work with when shading? Or how do I avoid making a mess trying to add details? There's a point where my details turn into black blobs.

>>3855963
I guess I'll do that, I'm not yet comfortable with my lines. Even when drawing a rectangle lines are wobbly and that didn't happen when drawing with a pencil.

Should I do something else besides the dynamic sketching week 1 exercises or is that just right?

>>3855974
>how to trigger /k/

>>3856138
oh this is getting posted to /k/
a surprising amount of them are weebs

>>3856030
Find the pdf for ‘the art of animal drawing by Ken Hultgren’

- Tauromaquia I -

Mixed media on paper

- Tauromaquia I - (Detail)

Mixed media on paper

This may be a stupid question, but i want to get it out anyway.

What are the cosmetic differences to the end product from using different types of paint? Obviously Watercolor looks much thinner, and watery almost like its staining the surface, rather than covering it. Personally i thought it seemed more like a stain, than a paint, but that's just me. But, anyway. Are there any differences like that between other paint types?

>>3855672
Very nice; colour palette is pleasing and I dig your linework. Saved/10

I've pushed myself into a wall. I don't know if I'm doing this right. Are there any tutorials for doing a good blending in sai and line art in sai?

>>3854842
>>3855889
These characters aren't being drawn with the same perspective in mind right?

The chick in the first image looks like she's being looked down at from a slight angle. The other two though look like they being looked at front on. If this makes any sense.

Just to be clear I'm not asking as critique but because I'm trying to learn perspective and just need to know if I can point out discrepancies yet. I'm /beg/ as fuck.

>>3856109
Bumping for critique

>>3856511
Ditch the airbrush / soft brush and do your base rendering with a hard / firm round brush. Push your values - what would be darkest shadow in the reference picture is in your painting as light as midtones / light tones of the reference pic.

And really, use hard brush with pen pressure controlled opacity. A basic exercise to do is learn to do smooth gradients with a hard / firm brush.

Go to ctrl paint dot com

>>3856216
>>3856215

Come on don't name your work like a pleb when you are in very beginner state.

>>3856109
The basic composition is decent, but what that picture is trying to achieve? Is it a monochromatic value study or a stretched out thumbnail? It needs a little bit more visual interest in any case. Make that light stream from the sun between the mountains to add color temperature and push value. The bridge (I suppose) is a little too dark in value. If it's backlit by the sun you could warm it to umbers. The whole picture lacks color contrast and you should compliment the purples with some ochre yellow or yellowish olive greens.

>>3856030
Go to Aaron Blaise youtube channel

>>3855880
Eyes are up too high and the general tilt of the face doesn't follow the reference picture. Look up planes of the face and asaro head and read up what is symbol drawing to get you started.

>>3856538
jesus christ why the fuck are you spoonfeeding someone this hard. You know this person is statistically 90% going to give up on art within the next 2 years right?

>>3856562
Based Nosebro with the truth.

>>3856562
Giving one beginner some critique benefits others who are at similar level of skill or don't have foundational skills straight. And I'm bored at work so why not

>>3856562
At least he can still improve when you have been stuck on the same NGMI level for 3 years.

>>3856567

And stop samefagging, tripfag.

I have about 2-3 hours of free time in my day due to college and work and I spend that time doing my best to learn how to draw but recently I've been feeling lost on how I should tackle drawing
any tips for practice management anons?

>>3856584
>he have a different opinion than me, so he must be samefagging!
Consider suicide.

>>3856584
Whats your art look like?

>>3854380
no but here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g15-lvmIrcg

>>3856446
wow thanks man
i really appreciate it

>>3854100
This is how I understand it: When you make a sketch you try to block in the shapes, look at edges and get down the body of the subject, groundwork to fill in the details later.

However when you draw gesture you draw way fewer lines that follow the line of action or balance, with little attention paid to anything else, to purely show what the subject is doing and where its movement is directed.

It helps with learning to make subjects more lifelike and expressive because it captures the essence of the pose.

The two can be combined, as you can find the rhythm of the pose with a gesture and then build shapes on top of it.

Give it to me straight, anon. Can this be salvaged? I wanted to try more realistic rendering but it quickly turned into a mess. Any advice on blending this painting style with anime?

>>3856522
>These characters aren't being drawn with the same perspective in mind right?
Oh not at all. It's just some clothes/design studies similar to the previous one I posted ! No composition intended here at all.

Even with all the flaws i'm pretty happy with this sketch because i'm usually afraid to go beyond lineart. I'll try to redraw it with better contruction and lines before shading (and maybe actually drawing the hands).

what is it called when you draw curves across the surface of a figure in order to feel out its 3d form? I thought they were called contour lines but evidently that refers to something else

Alright how are my getures from imagination?
Also on a side note should I be reading multiple books at the same time? I'm not sure how many muscles should be drawn and so far Hampton doesn't tell me how.

>>3856924
Dammit forgot the pic

>>3856538
Thanks for such an in-depth critique on my painting attempt, really appreciate it!

>>3856924
>Alright how are my getures from imagination?
Weak, but keep trying. Do more from reference.
>Also on a side note should I be reading multiple books at the same time?
Maybe. If you have trouble reading what you're currently reading then probably not.

>>3857060
Goatcha

help, why does it look like shit ?

>>3857079
>why does it look like shit
>baiting this hard for (you)'s

How to go from >>3856925 to >>3856853

>>3857087
that Anon you quoted is very loose and is probably using a close grip at the end of the pencil, using his elbow and shoulder a lot to feel the form out
your lines are much more tight and controlled

try this sort of grip

>>3856808
Did a quick and messy paintover as practise, hope it helps. You want to make female faces smoother, otherwise they might look old or manly in some cases. I think you made a nice base to work from with the lines, the painting does need some trial and error.

>>3857079
Because you literally just drew a photograph

>>3856853
Cross contour, wrapping lines, bet there's others.

>>3857079
There is not enough contrast, shadows aren't nearly dark enough, your color values are fucked (e.g. bright saturated green background instead of muted colors). But I think the dirty blurry patches from blending are the biggest problem

>>3856514
I love the linework style on the bee! Also, the neck on the right drawing of the girl seems a little off, maybe you could work on that?

>>3856531
How did you do the hair??? I love this style/approach so much! Can you expound on this?

how do you know if you're gonna make it?

>>3856056
thanks for the feedback! the neck was a conscious stylistic thing and ill try my best with the hands/feet

also i have no idea how to draw the eyes?? i tried multiple times but every time it looked 'off' but im not skilled enough to know how. i understand imagining the head in 3d but for eyes i have no idea how it distorts or anything

>>3857109
Used a photo reference for color study I guess?

>>3857127
Thanks, that's help quite a lot. I suspect that the dirty blurry patches also the cause of the value and contrast problem. Could you recommend me a rendering/coloring practice that should help me getting better?

>>3857137
Thanks anon, I'm glad that you liked it! And yeah, I still struggle with proportions a bit; thanks for pointing it out

I'm trying to get a feel for construction and did this while following a video, but he often explained what the shapes should look like without necessarily going over the rules of how they have to connect to each other

not sure why I'm posting this. bullying welcome

Is there an easy way to animate in photoshop, or is there another program I want to be using?

I'm getting this retarded feeling that I'll understand more about form and perspective if I'm just able to animate it. It's what I used to do as a kid in middle school.

Is it wrong ? I feel like it lacks of something.

>>3855506
kek

Is there a worse feeling than picking up drawing for a few days, only to not draw again for several months and then find that your art has actually gotten worse somehow?

>>3853739
Hello all,

So ive been doing art for a year or so, done it every day as a child, im epic at landscape due to 10 years in reconnaissance/sniper in the Army.

One thing I cant grasp/never tried is to "render" "shade" "paint" and any other word which means cover a drawing in form/tone/colour. Ive spent 2 hours on this and have a few questions

1. Long or short strokes?
2. I use a hard round but lose faith easily, do I use 90% opacti you with 100% flow or the other way round?
3. I seem to never pick the right Shadow or highlight tone
4. How do I get better at seeing shapes of tone/mass/shadow?
5. How the fuck do i put it all down on canvas? What strokes? Do i paint the shape i see and cut the edges or blend the edges as they are?

Harp mreee

>>3857262


>>3857262


Forgot atrachment

Any tips and different methods on how to draw hairs thanks babes (:

Imo I feel like my biggest problems are the eyes. I'd like to do it similar to anime but a bit more realistic. I am sketching all the time but rarely finish anything. Any ideas how to improve the quality, after I do a sketch like this and actually somewhat finish it?

>>3857285
imo try harder.

>>3857262
>>3857268
>>3848147

>>3857176

I'd assume, that you are pretty new to digital art. No insult btw.
Maybe use another program/brush because I really do not like those brushes that are either black or white, if you know what I mean. A good program, you might consider is krita(free).

If you are drawing with a mouse I would recommend, that you pick up a drawing tablet.

Imo the upper body is not that bad, but I think that the head is not quite fitting onto the torso, because of its perspective. The camera is below the body but it seems like it is on the same height as the head, only considering the head. A bit more construction on the head might be a good foundation for this piece. Have a look at pic related. On the top left hand corner there is a head from below, that is pretty a bit more constructed.

You could construct the legs more, because I think it is really hard to pull of a leg, without proper construction. Having a look at references might be a good idea, especially on the right leg.

>>3857293
That link doesn't work

>>3857285
Actually try finishing something, also >>3857291

https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/think-with-forms-not-lines-take-your-drawing-to-the-next-level--cms-24486

>>3857268

So the first pic was done as a thumbnail

this one (attached) i just fucked up and wasted time on. do i stop and start again?

Can't draw faces so done some pratice.

Say something nice or mean

>>3857367
I'm a beginner artist and I love big thick lines like this. Not helpful though.

>>3857314
Thank you for the feedback anon, I am very new to digital art. I'm not sure what you mean about the brush though, I used photoshop's pencil tool for this. Does krita have a better pencil/brush? I havent tried it yet, but still trying different programs out. I do have a very old tablet but it gives me no problems really

I definitely see what you mean about the perspective, I think part of my brain was trying to put her further into profile than the video I was watching and it came out stuck halfway between. I agree the legs have to go back to formula, I think I had run out of juice by that point. I'm going to try experimenting with re-constructing the head a few times based on what you've pointed out. I find getting the shape of the face right frustrating but that's no excuse

Is this decent in terms of composition? I tried to use a V shape because an image I saw showed you can use capital letters to assist in moving the eye through the image.

>>3857270
Drew some more stuff babes

Attempting to divide planes into odd numbered proportions, the exercise on page 33 of how to draw. Am I doing this right?

>>3857262
>1. Long or short strokes?

Personal choice.

>2. I use a hard round but lose faith easily, do I use 90% opacti you with 100% flow or the other way round?

Personal choice.

>3. I seem to never pick the right Shadow or highlight tone

That's because you're a beginner, and you haven't trained your eye to see them, yet, and to translate them from your brain to your hand.
That comes from practice, and making mistakes.

>4. How do I get better at seeing shapes of tone/mass/shadow?

Practice.

>5. How the fuck do i put it all down on canvas? What strokes?
Do i paint the shape i see and cut the edges or blend the edges as they are?

These are things you learn as you develop skills and learn how to draw and paint, and you find what works best for you.

As with anything in life, start simple. Build from there. You master each new level, and move onto the next. Be patient. Art takes time, a lot of time. Stop worrying about what comes later, and get comfortable with the basic tools and techniques.

>>3857248
What do you expect? If you're learning anything, like playing the piano, or drawing, if you don't do it for months, why do you expect to pick up where you left off at?

Jimi Hendrix didn't get to guitar god status by noodling around with the guitar for a couple of days, and then not touching it for months. He lived, shit, ate, and slept with a guitar, for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOXtpa5xp7I
Watching stuff like this really motivates me. Many pros like to pretend as if they can just pull a masterpiece out of their ass without much issue because they know what they're doing, but here I see one of the most prolific Japanese artists painstakingly redrawing every single line multiple times before committing to it.
Remember fellas, when you're sketching your shit there's nothing wrong with redrawing even a simple line over and over again until your fingers fall off. Don't pretend like you know what you're doing, especially when no one's watching.

>>3857506
>draws character without even a basic construction just body outline
wtf

>>3857510
When you're at Murata's level, you just keep all of those lines and proportions in your mind without actually drawing them.

>>3857506
>when he's drawing the eyes and mouth over and over
good to know i'll be struggling over the same things for eternity

How do I make anatomy practices fun? I did Loomis for a few weeks but now I only want to draw anime.

>>3857554
Draw anime then. Anime characters are usually supposed to be anatomically correct, the only real difference is how big the head is.

bleh

>>3857593
Reminds me of the Grinch

Currently reading through FWAP and Michael Hampton design and invention.
My college has an art club and everyone has to publish a comic.

I made this cowboy but I have a looooooong ways to go before I make this shit actually look good.

Any advice for shading people?

Someday I'll learn how to properly shade, go digital, or stop drawing anime faces.
But I decided to break this guy's spine today instead.
Guess I'll finally get down to actually reading some books on that stuff instead of lazily putting it off.

new thread >>3857613

>>3857204
the wheels are rectangles

>>3853739
is it just me or do alot of the faces in the beginning section of loomis's "fun with a penci" look like richard nixon?

>>3857200
CC Animate is what Adobe calls flash now. Heard good things about TVPaint and ToonBoom as well. ClipStudio has tools for animation, but some of them are still buggy and clunky.

>>3857106
Thanks for the advice!! I was worried that smoothing it out too much would sacrifice some depth, but I think I got carried away with the harder edges. Thanks again!

>>3857554
Do more Loomis, Anime is just an abstraction of reality.

>>3853739
Help me boys, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

I'm still trying to get my head around perspective, horizon lines and vanishing points.

I'm making progress but I know I've still made mistakes. Would I have been better off using 2 vanishing points for this?

My anatomy is also still garbage.

A redline would be great if anyone has the time.

>>3858518

I think it would be beneficial to use reference and construct the body using boxes. I am recommending this, because boxes are easier to draw, in perspective, than a somewhat simplified ribcage.

On my phone right now, therefore not being able to do a gesture line.

Two point perspective is a bit Overkill imo, because the perspective is not as obvious, when drawing humans, compared to a intersection in a city for example, but perspective is almost useless, if you draw something, which doesn't look like it looks in real live or how you want it to look. (leaving style aside)

I think you should invest more time in letting the form of the body look more, like it looks in real life. This can be achieved using construction with simple objects like cubes. This can really improve your sketches.

>>3858518
The legs and hips are FAR too big. You need to scale them down. Also, the right leg should be less visible in this perspective.

question.
i'm reading drawing on the right side and currently doing the modified contour drawing exercise second time.
in the book they say you should look at your hand 90% of the time and draw with the other AT THE SAME TIME. is that correct?

because this feel very counter-intuitive and my initial sketch gets fucked by the contour i try to draw without looking at paper at all.
to me it makes more sense to spend like 50% checking every couple of seconds between the hand and paper to make sure i don't fuck up.

Anyone have any tutorials, documents or any other info on how to train drawing with the eye instead of the brain?

Asking here because you guys are honestly most of the better help I've found so far.

How do people achieve these perfect lines when doing digital? Is it nothing but practice?