/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

No. It's because they lack the taste. You can tell by certain posts on /ic/ that some westerners just don't have what it takes.

>>3845832
It's mostly in the nose and mouth. Westerners tend to use large, defined noses or puffy lips, wheres authentic anime often uses more subtle features, even representing them with a single line, dot or not at all. Just look at that ugly-ass nose, gross.

>>3845841

What does it mean to be a "westerner" at this point? Like really?

>>3845842
Your core values. You're born and raised on them, to get rid of them would be to discard your identity altogether. Perhaps, it's worth it to become one of the East.

>>3845842
What does it even mean to be human? We're all just bags of meat trapped inside a skull in the end.

>>3845848
We had a thread on this. To be human is the understanding on the exact subtleties of life. An AI could never replicate that and that's why they'll never replace artists.

asians are just copy paste bots with little original thought. if they diviate from the established norm they get shot down from all sides including the wonabe weeb fuckers who cant stop sucking rice

nice bait thread though

>>3845854
>exact subtleties of life
But what is life? What is to say that a mechanical life form (a highly advanced AI) couldn't understand the meaning of life any more than a human can? Surely the meaning of life can defined by any given life form, organic or mechanical?

>>3845839
This is the scariest part, it’s true but you don’t know until you’ve sunk time.

>>3845854
>We had a thread on this.

cool to know that 4chan solved philosophy

I mean, there's a guy here on /ic/ whose work looks like the real deal. And the creator of No Game No Life is Brazilian. I also just recently found an artist called Pixiescout who can pull it off well (she just graduated from high school too apparently). So yeah, westerners can do the eastern style, but a majority of those you see doing it are amateurs.

>>3845886
>the creator of No Game No Life is Brazilian
I had no idea holy shit. He moved to Japan when he was 7 apparently, maybe that has something to do with it.

>>3845893
I wonder how's his work ethic? That pic above is pretty nice.

>>3845832
>It's this thread again
>>3845878
Maybe they can and you're just looking at the overall shit artists.

>>3845862
Life is all the things you can sense and experience around you. The beauty of the setting sun. The cool breeze in an open field. An AI could never have the same kind of connections that humans do, at least not until they become humans, but that's not for a very long time.

>>3845832
what do you mean??, most anime is generic af!, almost literally traced shit!!

>>3845854
>>3845912
>To be human is the understanding on the exact subtleties of life. An AI could never replicate that and that's why they'll never replace artist

What is your reasoning? The human mind is literally just some fucking blood, proteins, tissue and electrochemical reactions.
Why do so many of you fucks think it has some sort of unique unreplicable essence that cannot be achieved through other means?

>>3845915
This should be a daily watching for westerners who want to learn to draw anime correctly. It gives you insight into all the many diverse and varied kinds of style that can be used to achieve the look. Watch it for every hour of the day and you'll be getting better in no time.

>>3845929
this, machines are our evolution the humans 2.0, just accept it already!, u damn boomer!

>>3845862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOCaacO8wus&list=PLFs4vir_WsTyXrrpFstD64Qj95vpy-yo1&index=5

There are good western artist that can replicate it but you chose to use a literally who that is shitty at drawing in general for your example.

>>3845832
there are just lots of shitty western /begs/ who don't bother to learn how to draw well enough to make good anime. look in the anime study thread and you'll see exactly why

>>3845934
The style japs managed to create just blows my mind. It's the peak of abstraction of human features
And it keeps evolving. I'm intrigued to see what anime will look like in a few years. I just hope 2d never dies but that's terrifyingly less likely by the hour

>>3845974
It's always the same with these threads. It's bait. Don't bother

>>3845832
Lmao.
White people pls stop!!
Hahahaha

>>3845842
>live in the west
>look at western art
>see western people
>live in western culture
>your art has (sub)conscious western influence
what a shocker

Do the reverse for Japan, and you see why the Japanese are better at drawing anime than westerners. Also because the west sees it as a style or accent to drawing, whereas the east sees it as the main way to cartoon.

>>3845886
man, that guy's work is really good, but it still does look a bit western in some shots.

>>3845839
it's not only tastes, but also the understanding as to why things are drawn that way. They copy, copy, copy, but don't really get it. Go check the beg threads, you get people copying pictures done by other artists. Looks good, until you ask them to draw their own shit, and then they fail because their learning was superficial. It's the same with people trying to do "studies" of non-animu artists. They think they get it, but they don't really get it.

>>3845832
>Faggot looks at tumblr and asks stupid questions
Might as well jump off a bridge right now, your worth as a human will likely not improve.

I tried to do it out of curiosity. Thoughts?

>>3846078
I like it.

>>3846078
Nothing stands out.

>>3846078
Nose, eyes, hands, hair detail, overall physique and mouth are all too western. Consider minimizing details and instead use abstract shapes that imply form rather than refining it. The biggest tell tale sign of a western try hard is that the west fails to understand the concept of "less is more" when it comes to the Nip's style.

>>3846078
She looks like a bossy cunt.
But yes very obviosly western it screams "IM A WESTERN ARTIST GUYS!!!"

>>3846078
Better than half of Twitter already.

>>3845832
THOSE TITS BRUH

>>3846078
stiff but drawn well. if the pose were more contraposta and had a more dynamic line of action, and you made the shapes a little more voluminous, it would look a lot more appealing.

>>3846098
Wait, really? Because I've seen Nip art that has all of these things and more (Hiromu Arakawa and Masashi Kishimoto to name a couple). So are we talking a more generic moe kind of style here?

>>3846078
for me, the reason why it looks western isn't because of the effort you put to add more details, but more of some parts of the body not looking good. Like the ankle/lower leg part of the body is thick, like you'd see in western works whereas in animu, people would make those slender. It's stubby looking and I'm not sure if that was your intention because I see some beer guts in there, though the arms doesn't look too fat judging by the wrists.

>>3846171
Yeah, that's mainly because I suck at drawing clothes. It's supposed to be a sweaterish thing that's kind of baggy. And the proportions are definitely screwy. My line quality probably is a tell too.

I tried some anime early today and think it came out alright stylistically.

>>3845861
> copy paste bots with little original thought
> saying this on /ic/ unironically

>>3846078
best i can do with a mouse, fixed it for you ;^)
cute drawing anyway

>>3846240
Nah, mate, nah. Anon said the sweater was supposed to be baggy, but good job on the legs.

>>3846198
If the clothes is baggy, depending on how baggy it is and how big the breasts are, the breasts' details could be reduced to "less lines" (my ESL english skill is failing me here) because the sweater is baggy and it won't be tight in the chest area. I wish I could edit, but I'm at the mall.

>>3845832
Who cares? go wach some chink artist instead fag.

>>3846240
Hey, it really does look more anime.

Because /beg from this board fucking hates anime I guess.

>>3846038
you mean that nips have big eyes and multicolor hair?

>>3846240
This looks worse

>>3845832
Easterners draw a fucking big forehead to make their characters look cute. And westerners do this.

>>3848179
This. Huge noses and jaws and small braincases. I'm time and time again amazed that people keep doing it.

>>3848189
I'd call this 'style' more iconic of bad Tumblr fanart than I ever would call bean-mouths and atrociously fat people. It's so horribly ugly.

>>3848179
>no thoughts == happy thoughts

>>3848189
Really stirs the mind.

MSYS

>>3848310

>>3848179
Adults don't have massive craniums, kids do.

>>3845934
>>3845996
>this pedophilic shit all looks the fucking same and it's embarrassing to look at as a grown man

>>3848447
Mind=blown

>>3848315
it made me make this

>>3848467
Butiful

>>3845893
He traces his draws from the guy who made Hentai Ouji to Warawanai Neko (mostly) tho, so i wouldn't consider him as an exception to OP

I drew this like a week ago. How does it look?

>>3846038
Anime is niche even in Japan. It's small but powerful enough industry to stand its ground for the past 30 years. Most Japanese only give a FUCK about one piece and naruto and wouldn't care if late night anime goes the way of the dinosaur. It only hasn't been killed off because of the otaku.

My point is, "default way to cartoon" my ass. Go to the Japanese web portals and see college that teach the skill. Anime art is however just a tiny area of subculture.

>>3845832
What most people forget is that anime figures are actually based on asian physique. And western art is based on European physique. Asians have flatter, smaller noses, a flatter nose bridge and cheekbones that are more in line with the central protrusion of the nose bones (resulting in a flat upper face). Europeans have longer, pointier noses and cheekbones that are further back which gives the upper face a more wedge or bow like shape. Asians also have more receding chins.

Westerner don't instinctively draw people as anime as this is not what they see everyday. It would be counterintuitive.

>>3851000
Most art on the internet is made by Asians, east and west, followed by white women. Take a look at demographics in art schools....dominated by Asian Americans. Explain to me what it means to be western when the artists in question from both spheres are Asian.

Please. I'm waiting.

>>3850955
lol OK. Thats why the moment you walk out of Shibuya station you are greeted by a dozen ads of animu gacha and flavour of the month shit, why they use anime chibis in advertisements right next to big NIKE and 21 billboards, and why an entire semi-district hub in Tokyo dedicated almost entirely to anime, manga, videogames and electronics.

Anime isn't all Japan has to offer and to them certainly, it is not the top thing they care about or make, but it is FAR from niche. It penetrates almost every aspect of their day-to-day occurences. Kids buy mangas in conbinis and read them at school and home, they play vidya on trains and buses and wherever the hell they can, big and small businesses use anime mascots to advertise themselves, tourist locations use them, galleries even sometimes feature some form of animu art (not common but the fact it was able to penetrate some is amazing in its own right). You can walk below bridges and stations and see plastered murals of Ghibli art. There are a ton of cons and doujin circles and they almost always book full and people wait days for a chance to get it.

Anime, is NOT niche in Japan. For it to be niche, you'd need it to be at the position where most people wont even know what it is or what it encompasses. But everyone in Japan watched anime, old and young. Obviously majority are not otakus and dont care for the seasonal shit, but the fact you have a fucking EVA Museum there and a giant Gundam statue in the middle of Tokyo shits on your claims.

>>3848461
Unironically who are you quoting?

>>3851062
Late night anime is niche you retard. The billboards of light novel and eroge in the game center for tourists to gawk at but never consume is only for a niche subculture with money to spend.

Not too long ago you could walk into an American 711 and buy comic books, too. But they phased that out. While Japan still does it. So and behold for them to keep doing it when they dominate the cartoons market.

The same ads you talk about will get cleaned up for Olympic Games because even the Japanese know it's otaku filth that only stays up because the anime industry is small but powerful.

Westerners don't have taste. The best proof of this is that they try to draw anime at all

>>3851083
>Late night anime is niche you retard

This is when you know someone is backpedaling hard cause he got called out for being a moron.

> Anime is niche even in Japan

was the original statement. And even then its still irrelevant, the same could be said of any industry. MARVEL flicks take 90% of the attention of modern hollywood but it doesn't kill other movies and no one calls these movies niche (maybe within their own genres, not as an industry).

> i-i-its for tourists!

Solid reasoning. Thats why Gacha is a fucking disease over their and Japan single handedly pushed CyGames to the top dog in the industry.

> Not too long ago you could walk into an American 711 and buy comic books, too. But they phased that out.

Comic book industry basically killed itself with its antics and its sales made a free fall.
Guess what DIDNT die out and is only rising in sales everywhere? Manga and Anime.

If anything this statement solidifies manganime's breakthrough into mainstream. Its not gonna appeal to the most basic bitch and chavs sure, but its known enough, and in Japan its just a matter of fact. Not niche.

> The same ads you talk about will get cleaned up for Olympic Games because even the Japanese know it's otaku filth that only stays up because the anime industry is small but powerful.

It will get cleaned up because they know westerners are pussying over it every time, but Japan never stepped on its industry in favour of western retardation, even when the UN tried to shut them down.

As for Otaku filth, once again you are conflating general consumer anime with some degenerate loli tentacle shit as if it's a competition. No one watches obscure french nympho cinema movies either, doesn't make cinema niche.

You're making non-arguments cause you just hate the idea your secret weeb club aint so secret anymore, when the truth is that it never was, the west is just slow on the uptake. Japanese people know EXACTLY what anime is and what it offers.

>>3851493
>You're making non-arguments cause you just hate the idea your secret weeb club aint so secret anymore

Nah it's still pretty secret. So as long as there is no real time ear to sound translation device complete with automatic augmented visual translation goggles with near impeccable meaning of the original, I have nothing to fear.
>Japanese people know EXACTLY what anime is and what it offers.
Most Japanese know about sunday anime. Late night anime always has low ratings. You don't have to pretend to be a sageass--just go pull up the television broadcast ratings yourself. Nevermind the abysmally low, but expensive sales numbers for home video.

>As for Otaku filth, once again you are conflating general consumer anime with some degenerate loli tentacle shit as if it's a competition.
Competition in what sense? You mean the parents of children buying their little girls pretty cure toys and pokemon bob the builder playsets? I'm pretty sure that's not whats keeping this niche industry afloat. Neither do the tv broadcasts of Sunday shows (what most Japanese are aware of) are required for those franchises to stay alive. 1/2

>>3851493
>Solid reasoning. Thats why Gacha is a fucking disease over their and Japan single handedly pushed CyGames to the top dog in the industry.
Tokyo game district is tourist shithole now. Akihabara isn't like what it used to be. Smartphone gaming is popular in Japan--that's another whole thread for an

other day. This isn't /v/.

>Guess what DIDNT die out and is only rising in sales everywhere? Manga and Anime.
The only thing right you said in your post. But it's out of context.

>>3848824
Really? Source?

>>3851522
You must be new. That's like old news and you should easily be able to find "no game no life tracer" through google.

Lack the balls to post my work but I'm getting pretty authentic anime looking. Just unlearn everything and simplify, make aesthetic, and anime study thread. Most progress made when I stopped doing rounded chins and just made it a softened triangle.

>>3852426
>Most progress made when I stopped doing rounded chins and just made it a softened triangle
the absolute state of animeshit

>>3845832
pic related made by a german guy called tim lochner. Check your facts op.

>>3852486
I was just about to mention this dude too. He's the first one i thought of when i saw this thread

It's all about neoteny and how long you're exposed to anime style. Most wypipo don't get into anime until their (pre)teens (because that's usually when they become mentally ill due to public school, which causes them to seek escapism via internet communities and low-brow badly written entertainment-animation) while Mexicans and Asians have been conditioned to anime for their whole lives.

>>3845832
THE SECRET IS IN THE MOONRUNES ANONS

REMEMBER

>>3852578
Anime in the west is fairly new for you to even make that assessment. We barely had anime imported here in the 80s and it only took off in the 90s. We only have 2 generations of people who grew up with anime.

>>3852583
this is actually true

we use a lot more curves in the west, lots of loops, they use straight lines and slight curves, thats why japanese art looks so pointy

>>3845832
The hair is too curvy to be anime but too intentionally pointy to *not* belong to anime.

The irises are too small and lack color (no one seems to notice how important iris coloration is in actual anime art).

It tries to do the really defined shadows some anime does but it makes those shadow borders a gradient instead of a hard line.

>>3852752
post the light yagami edit

>>3852753
I don;t have it

>>3852752
"I'M GONNA RRRRRUB YA OUT, SEE?"

>>3852756
>implying any of these zoomers will get that joke

>>3850955
>FUCK
>>3851062
>NIKE
Are you two secretly the same person?

>>3845854
>an AI could never replicate that
Why?

>>3845912
Being an AI is about the awareness of things around you. The exact knowledge of the beauty of orbital mechanics. Your sensor array picking up the wind patterns dancing through the forest. A human could never have the same kind of connections that AIs do, at least not until they become AI, but that's not for a very long time.

>>3852752

>>3845832
It's because most Westerns lack the idiosyncracies of daily life that easterners experience that makes anime unique

Also, most westerners don't know much anime beyond Miyazaki and Bleach

>>3845886
>>3845893

Brazilians, like many Latin Americans were introduced to anime much earlier than their pasty northern counterparts and have larger Japanese populations and they also get a lot of different animes that never made it America(shit like Devilman and Saint Seiya, both of which will would probably have been banned by Ronald Reagan for being to satanic in the 80s)

>>3851070
oh that was a typo, didn't mean to quote

i feel like western try to draw anime for the sake of it being anime and thats just cringy, while the average japanese draws anime because they enjoy the big eye style, their train of thought isnt "I have to make this look like anime" rather "I will draw this how I believe it looks cute" and that's the anime style for them. Some western anime drawings look like they just learned a bunch of cliche anime drawings and spit them all around without really understanding why they should be doing the things they are doing, only drawing anime for the sake of it being anime, not looking for it to look cute.

>>3845832
Try to look out for things OP.
>Cross-cultural Analysis of Artistic Development: Drawing by Japanese and U.S. Children
Read it for yourself.
https://www.csuchico.edu/~mtoku/research/ccaad.html

>>3845832
I really don't understand any of this
why would you draw anime? why would you shoehorn your whole voice into this specific style that is so absurdly limited, like you can't even do facial expressions with it because the faces are so simplified, I understand if you have some sort of anime influence and you like the style used in certain anime, but why do people just force themselves to learn that style specifically? I don't get it, I look at all art and pick up what I like, sometimes it's anime but most of the time it's not, there is such a huge range of interesting faces and styles, even within japan only, there are interesting styles like Otomo or Kawajiri, but nobody cares about those here, it's just some moeshit.
is it really just because you wanna fap to little girls? that's your whole artistic vision?

>>3853942
>is it really just because you wanna fap to little girls? that's your whole artistic vision?
I can't speak for every artist on /ic/, but in my experience, nsfw and waifu-ism tends to be a big part of why /beg/s want to get gud at anime. They want to harness the power of making their hentai/waifu fantasies a reality.
Lolishit is truly a powerful force to be reckoned with.

>>3845832
I think the biggest reason is that western artists dont focus on line art as much, and focus on color more.

>>3853942
Maybe I just want to draw anime?
Maybe I just want to be like my fave jap artist and don't give a shit for finding le own style.

>>3853975
I also want to be "like my favorite artist" but I'm not completely braindead about it, I still have some sort of personality
jesus christ the whole bugmen thing is not a meme after all

>>3853984
ngmi

>>3853987

Here's your chance to get published

>>3852578
Did you draw that? Any blog?

>>3853884
Lmao

>>3852578
>It's all about neoteny and how long you're exposed to anime style
pretty much this.

>>3845832
why exactly do you need to make "genuine" anime art? it's incredibly lazy and derivative and even at it's finest not that special.

it's true, there was a lot of variation in the 60ish years anime has been made, but so many of y'all stick to the most boring, vanilla, moe shit. just cause the pixiv japs keep falling into this hole and failing to invent something original, doesn't mean you have to, too.

most of animu shit done by both the easterners and westerners is ugly fucking fanart anyway.

my attempt

I like there's this Anime/Western hybrid style developing. That means the genre is popular and evolving. Sure it doesn't always look good and people do this over polished / boring repetitive version of it e.g. rossdraws but at least things are happening.

>>3848467
I am glad.

>>3852756

>>3854287
so many attempts. but none of them appealing

>>3854319
Post something you find appealing.

>>3854287
I await your inevitable sarariman manga

>>3854328
so you could copy it?

>>3854349
lol not him but what are you really so skittish you wont even post art you like

>>3845996
At a certain point of consuming manga styled work you'll start to realize that the bug eyed shit has only a surface level appeal and the best of the jap artists stay closer to realism than what you'd define anime style.
But you're probably young, and/or autistic and haven't reached that conclusion yet. I'm praying for you weebs.

>>3854343
I have no idea what actual salarymen reads, even though I am practically one myself. Although from what I gather they have more specific interest related subjects, like Pachinko or golf.

Although I am working on something myself, kind of.

>>3854349
Why not? Although mainly I am just interested in what other people find appealing I guess.

>>3845832
gib smug gf with big boobs

>>3848189
>>3848179

>>3854417
poor girl is balding

>>3854287
I love it. Got any more stuff?

Draw this in your style thread?

>>3854319
what is wrong with you anon

>>3854969
Lovely

>>3854969

Okay, how bout dat lol

I tried an anime ver but it looks less like "happy thoughts" and more like "you're gonna get raped"

>>3854969
tiny ear

>>3845832
what about Latinos?

>>3855279
Blog?

>>3855289
no blog

>>3854960
This sort of stuff or just stuff in general?

>>3854287
>>3855542
are you the guy who draws the Rococo webcomic

>>3855544
Yes, what's up?

>>3855553
Noice. I recognized the style.

>>3845832
just fucking stare at this page for hours a day until all the nuances and particularities of the style soaks into your brain https://www.obormot.net/demos/these-waifus-do-not-exist-alt

>>3857148

>>3857150

>>3845832

>>3857148
I'm still waiting for a version of this algorithm where it's only ahegao

>>3845832
I think a lot of it has to do with the kind of pens westerners tend to use, they're often a lot wider.

Also the colors and style that they do the hair and eyes is different, westerners like to do that deviant art furry / emo hair style a lot.

Does this look westernshit?

>>3858772
>chicken scratch
yes

>>3858777
fucks given are zero, i'm a paintfag and don't use lines. now give me a real answer you jellybean-sucking fornicator.

>>3858772
no, but it looks like it was done by a yurifag comic author

>>3858798
>yurifag comic author
I can live with that.

>>3845915
>>3857148
Is this the result of that shitcoin-based anime-creating AI?

>>3859953
no a adifferent thing using NVIDIA GAN trained on danbooru Holo and Cirno and other pics it looks like

>>3857394
>I think a lot of it has to do with the kind of pens westerners tend to use, they're often a lot wider.

Good point

They probably never consciously notice this because they probably never once thought to trace over the anime image to try and replicate it perfectly because of the huge taboo about tracing in the West I think

jesus if you blame the pens, you lot arent making it

>>3848824
I think It was his wife, because she was the one who drew all of the cover and images from the LN

>>3858772
Yes.

>>3860285
Not him, but what gives it away?

>>3860285
if you people slap japanese words on it and make the anon's username jap, you lot wouldn't take it for western

>>3845832
Because they grow up absorbing western women and men
If they only studied anime and Asian women and men they'd be able to replicate anime

lmao
https://twitter.com/cousineggplant/status/1109596129555963905?s=19

>>3853937
>Art is a required subject in Japan under the nation-wide curriculum from grades 1st to 9th, which means all Japanese students have to study "art" in their elementary and middle schools based on a nation-wide art curriculum.
>In Japan, kindergarten teachers are well trained as music and art experts. A lot of time is spent teaching art and music in the classroom. As a result, many children are exposed to art education and socialization with peers before going to the compulsory educational system
US education system let us down

>>3862992
Absolutely hideous artstyle. Tumblr was a mistake.

>>3863002
>mfw I read that part

>>3850932
look nice but western

>>3845832
There are plenty of western anime artists that go under the radar though. You just never hear about them because their work is almost indistinguishable from the real stuff. For every good artists, there are plenty of shit ones, anime or not.

This guy's stuff looks pretty japanese and he's a westerner

>>3863039
looks western to me

>>3845832
Because most westerners who are serious about art get pushed away from anime by their peers and professors.

I'm very inspired by Soejima Shigenori and I wanted a critique of what's simply done well and not so well. I can't tell if his hair has Cloud Strife Syndrome.

>>3864627
Study harder

>>3845832
Lets play a a game, /ic/.
3 of these drawings were yoinked off pixiv, from authentic Japanese artists. 3 of these drawings were yoinked off DA from artists from Brazil, Russia, and Spain. Which ones were made by weebs and which ones are real anime?

Let's play a game, /ic/.
3 of these drawings are from Pixiv and were made by real Japanese artists, and 3 were taken from DA and were made fby artists from Brazil, Russia, and Spain.
Which drawings were made by the weebs, and which ones are real anime?
Bonus points if you can match the nationalities of the 3 western artists correctly.

I know I'm late, but why the fuck do so many retarded weebs want to draw like anime anyway?

It all looks so generic and shit and if it doesn't, it still uses proper anatomy. I think the best looking anime is probably Bakemonogatari because it has GORGEOUS backgrounds.

Why would you want to draw anime? Why wouldn't you want to draw your own style and make people THINK and FEEL with your art?

>>3864670
You CAN draw your own style of anime though. And I don't see why it being anime influenced would preclude it being evocative. There's plenty evocative anime art. For instance Evangelion stuff comes to mind.

>>3864664
I dunno but they all look like they were drawn by non-Japs, except for the middle right one

>>3864664
Both Rins and top right from Japan.
Top left Spain, bottom left Brazil, and bottom right Russia.

pointless game bro anyone copying enough anime can reach the authentic style,the more relevant question is how long it really takes and how to speed up the process so it doesn't take fucking ages.

p.s. the only ones anal about looking non-jap are you guys the audience dont give a single fuck

>>3864664
okay I will give it a shot
>top right, middle right, bottom left
japanese
>top left, middle left, bottom right
(respectively) spain, brazil and russia

>>3864673
If you ask me, I would rather draw realistically or draw with a more western cartoonish style. Cartoons are fun, anime is "oh no I fell over on top of my sister and then all of our clothes fell off!!!"

So evocative. I love Evangelion as much as the next guy, but c'mon, son. 90% of retarded weebs on /ic/ are more interested in "me draw pretty anime lady" instead of, "me draw evocative piece that makes you think"

>>3864694
Well, I don't really think you can blame the medium for the artists' lack of creativity. While many people do just want to draw moeblob crap, there are people using it to at least try to elevate their craft, and I don't think they should be discounted just because they take influence from anime. Personally I draw anime styled things because anime was what got me into drawing and I love the aesthetic of it, but I recognize I'm a bit of a rarity in some ways in that I don't consider it the end all, be all. In the end I turned more towards western style because I like drawing detailed faces and sometimes playing with the shapes in ways that really aren't conducive to keeping that anime look. But I do genuinely enjoy it and still draw that style when I can, even when I don't post it. It's just fun for some people.

>>3864664
everything on the left are western, everything on the right asians.

>>3845929
>The human mind is literally just some fucking blood, proteins, tissue and electrochemical reactions

Well if that's all it takes, how have scientists not been able to replicate life out of these basic compounds?

>>3865036
Check mate science :)

Tell me right now this doesn't look like eastern, especially that face on the right

>>3865036
Consciousness?

>>3865158
the nose knows

it's never easy getting away from your own roots, you can hide it all your want but it will always resurface when you slip up.

>>3864664
jap west
jap west
west jap (this bit could go either way since I am not as sure with the above rows)

>>3865165
Nose looks fine, there are many ways to style the nose in anime

>>3845929
>literally just some...

It's not "JUST"
its as complex as it can get
sometimes the whole is more than the sum of its parts

>>3865168
Yeah, just do it a bit sharper

>>3845832
Noses and slightly less so mouths. Everything that makes it obvious a westerner drew the pic always revolves around those two features. Even in porn the generic lip biting "horny face" is something westerners seem to love for weird fucking reason.

Does this pass as something made by a jp?

>>3865158
god I hate how shitty and smug the typical /ic/ anime style looks. this is even worse than teal. total soullessness

>>3864664
Japanese: top left, middle left, bottom right

>>3865158
The nose
Eye positioning to forehead
Scratchy lines

>>3864664
Nippon Brazil
Nippon Nippon
Russia Spain

>>3864664
So what does it mean? We can't actually tell them apart?

>>3865262
If I say yes can I get your blog?

>>3864664
Jap Jap
Rus Spain
Bra Jap

The middle right and bottom left are def westerners for sure, absolutely the right one.

I really want to say bottom right is Russian, because it really kinda feels cool like Russian, but Westerners can't draw like that.

>>3848467
Love it!

>>3865036
>>3845929
if the human mind is the same thing as the brain, then all of the qualities in the mind should possess all the same qualities of the brain.

This is very obviously not the case, thoughts don't weigh anything, because thoughts aren't a physical object. It's like information, "where something is" isn't made of matter or energy, and neither is the mind. The mind is clearly a separate thing (or substance) from the brain.

There is no region of the brain that unifies human experience. No place of unified electrical traffic. Also, split brain patients still have a unified sensory experience in spite of the split, which is odd when you think about it. If the mind is physical, what should happen to a split brain patient (where half his brain is unable to communicate with the other half), is 1 half should shut down, or there should emerge 2 consciousnesses that don't talk to one another, however what we find is that split brain patients still have a unified sensory experience, and live surprisingly normal lives.

When a normal person is shown 2 stimulus one after another, there is a delay before you acknowledge the second stimulus, as you are still processing the first. When given a stimulus in the left eye and then right eye for split, meaning the stimulus goes to both sides of a split brain patient's brain in short succession, this same delay still occurs. How is that possible? If the brain is split, then both sides should run independently to one another, and not somehow be encumbered when something to the other side that it isn't even connected to. This delay still occurs because even while we aren't unified in the brain, we are still unified in the mind, because the mind is not the brain - it isn't even physical.

way too long post rip, but it's some good philosophy right here nigga

>>3867530
What's interesting about the mind is that it doesn't need to be physical.
In order to be physical, you must exist within space and in time, (spacetime, if you will). However it is entirely possible to imagine someone's mind to be hooked up to a virtual world where there was nothing but black, no space, no nothing - and yet the mind would still definitely exist.

What about time, how could a mind exist without time? Well time is just change, and it is by no means impossible to imagine a mind that doesn't ever change, and just stays frozen as it is, and so there is no problem with a mind that is outside of time. In other words, minds are fully capable of existing outside of spacetime; it's one of the augments for the existence of God actually, as during the big bang, spacetime itself came into existence, meaning it must have come from something that existed where there was no space or time. The only known thing that could have existed in a place where there is no spacetime, is either abstract numbers, or a mind. Abstract numbers however can't do anything, but minds can. Therefor the thing that created the universe must have been a mind, one powerful enough to create the universe, and intelligent enough to bring us creatures and the complex yet legible order of the universe about.

>>3867530
>that image
I know artists don't know shit about academia but have him worshiping a piece of glassware is retarded. Should be a copy of Science or Cell.

>>3845893
Caramba.

>>3864664
jap spain
jap jap
brazil russia

>>3867530
>>3867530
>there should emerge 2 consciousnesses that don't talk to one another
you know thats what actually happens right? there is only one half of the brain which is actually you, the right hemisphere if you are left handed, and the left hemisphere if you are right handed. The other one is a companion you are born with and which cant speak, but can subconsciously think and does so separately of you if you get your brain split.
theres been done experiments with such ppl, and they could make the offhand of the person do something without him knowing, as long as the action was hidden from the opposite eye and the command was given thru a screen, which again, was not seen by the opposite eye, but the eye on the same side of the offhand
the mind is physical, and if you physically change the brain, so does the mind

>>3854184
The eyes look western and the shape of the upper portion of the head.

>>3864694
>anime is "oh no I fell over on top of my sister and then all of our clothes fell off!!!"

And I want to draw that because that's what I like, bitch.

>>3845832
I cant get past how one tit is enormous and one tit is tiny.

>>3863002
In the Western world they teach you about classical art and then LMAO MODERN ART BABY, ALL OF THIS WAS TRASH ALL ALONG, PICASSO CAME OUT AND WOWZERS HE WAS THE REAL DEAL
You have to like Picasso because if you don't you are not smart! This book explains why you should like Picasso, repeat with me
>I love Picasso, he's the best
>Pollock is great too and smart people like me like this art
Repat until you believe it!

>>3845832
I highly doubt the OP was trying to emulate anime/eastern style, because if so you'd see something more like the top right. That was my attempt to "easternize" the pic with minimal edits... It looks less western but there's a lot of work to be done, especially if you compare to the original source.

So! Here are some things to keep in mind (for cute/young characters).

>small, barely there noses. No nostrils
>small mouths
>big eyes, big pupils, thicker upper lash line
>de-emphasize the inner corners of the lash lines
>daintier and thinner neck, smaller shoulders
>more unified color palette. Even with the edits her skin tone looks very sallow and jaundiced compared to original source
>more sophisticated hair shapes
>an actual skull

>>3845832
I don't think this was an attempt at drawing anime
looks more like they tried drawing an anime character in their own style (albeit a very shit style)

>>3868437
Good work, although I think her eyes should be lower on her head.

>>3845886
you can tell his shitty comic is western because it caters to anime and video games that were popular in the 80s in Japan and only introduced to america ten years after the face
>uses old, outdated meme faces from 00s animanga
>the guy on right page is basically goku
>cat girl is Felicia
>doesn't appeal to modern japanese interests
that's why you didn't win that contest and then you came on here and bitched about it. your story made no fucking sense, you were physically incapable of introducing concepts and characters and it was overall shit

>>3868655
you've worded it perfectly. I always wondered why his stuff made me remember my high school years.

>>3867628
>meme pop science
Yes I know that experiment, i've seen it, it was only able to be achieved under specialized testing conditions, but either way it doesn't matter. The same man you were talking about saw out of both of his eyes, not just 1, even though his brain is split in 2 with each side controlling an eye and not able to communicate with the other half. How can he see out of both eyes? This is the opposite of what you would expect would happen if the mind is just physical. If the brain is just physical, you would expect every power his brain has to immediately split in two (so to speak).

you're not wrong that what physically happens to the brain influences the mind - actually it goes both ways. Our choices influences our brain, and the brain influences our choices. For example, when you put testosterone in women, they start becoming more impatient and wanting people to get to the point in conversation. The physical brain creates data that is translated in our minds into experience, and these experiences influence us, our personality and our choices. It's like how the data that a camera records can be translated into a photo on the screen of a computer.

howbou dis?

It will always baffle me that that shitty VN became so big. Similar to RWBY.

>>3870859
The early RWBY peeps knew how shitty RWBY is, they just stayed for the action and because many of them were already Roosterteeth fans before RWBY. Beyond that, it got to Japan and got more people's attention because "badly western animu got manga and anime!1!1!1". Nowadays, the fandom is just pure delusional cancer blind to the writers' incompetence. DDLC, on the other hand, is like a meme that got the attention of big youtubers so there's that.

>>3867651
Gif source?

Tried but still don't know how i'm supposed to render the hair

>>3845912
Wew, I actually literally rolled my eyes while reading that garbage

>>3846078
ew

>>3845832
Confirmation bias because western art that looks like good anime art won't make you realize its western. Also too much exposure to deviantart and tumblr trash rather than filtering for actual good artists like how you find japanese artists.

did this commission yesterday, i have the same problem. I dont watch anime so im not familiar with the shorthand

>>3867681
>this is what incels' headcanon about art education is
kek

>>3872608
>t. Someone who has clearly not started a fine arts degree

Lmao

>>3872608