/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Stop drawing anime.

>>3837599
This.

>>3837598
you know what other lie you were told? tracing is bad. I mean, its still bad if you are doing it for money and its not tracing your own work. But for learning alone, tracing is good.

>>3837599
>>3837603
I can't even if I wanted to because you made me put all my effort into my fundamentals. I hope you're happy. One less anime poster and it's your fault.

Ban anime
and get fucked

>>3837605
fuck you

>>3837608
Well, I'd draw a smug anime girl as a comeback but I can't because I can't draw anime.

>>3837610
kek

>>3837598
You don't "practice all over again" you retard, the fundies are still the same. Perspective, anatomy, color etc are all universal. Anime isn't that different anatomically anyway besides the head/facial features. If you actually learned something in your 1 year of studying fundementals your attempts at anime should be better.
So here's what's more likely the case: you're just beg tier in general and your work is ass regardless of what style you're attempting.
What does "1 year" mean anyway? Is that 3 hours a day, or a half hour every odd week? Keep practicing and save the whining for your diary.

>>3837646
The point isn't that I didn't improve, it's just that I was told specifically to avoid it if I wanted to improve my anime. But you're supposed to supplement your studies with it. It wasn't until this long after that I read a conversation that said the opposite. That's what I get for believing /ic/.
Also fuck off, cunt.

>>3837658
I lost way more than 1 year because of listening to my father. who are we to blame that there is no wide spread known way of getting gud in our world? the world itself? normies for not showing interest, spreading the info or being guinea pigs and streamline the learning process? if this makes you mad, learn to draw then teach others to not have the same barriers as you

95% of artists were in your spot at one pot or another

>>3837598
unironically post your work/routine, if you didn't make progress in 1 year than there's something wrong with your study methods. stylization is it's own set of skills but they all find their basis in the fundies. stop drawing anime is basically a shorthand for 'stop excusing your weaknesses and lack of knowledge as stylistic choices and learn the foundational skills that will give the ability to actually make those choices' beyond that, the idea that you're gonna solve art in 1 year is just setting yourself up for disappointment. this shit takes a lifetime.

anime is just simplified fundamentals with some wacky proportions

>>3837598
1 year is nothing.

>>3837936
how many years is something?

>>3837941
all your life

Mate you don't need to master fucking loomis to draw anime just understand the largest shapes of the body lol

>>3837899
I think you're misunderstanding the situation here. I'm not saying I was taught wrong. I was just purposefully mislead and lost an entire year of practice for a goal I was trying to meet.
>>3837936
Do you think that, because on the grand scale of things 1 year means nothing, that I shouldn't be disappointed that I could have practiced the thing I began art for?
I get your point and agree with you but it doesn't really make me feel better about the loss that could have easily been prevented if people weren't fuck with you.
That said, I understand that I have a really long time to put effort into this. Thing is, my goal was was within a time limit. Not something ridiculous, but this has set me back by a lot. Of course I improved but I didn't improve what I thought I was when I was doing it at the time, which is a terrible feeling. You could say it contributes to it, but how meaningless is that when the other option I missed out on by being misled could lead me down the road of doing both and improving both by equalizing it all.
>>3837912
OP is my anime work.

>>3837921
>>3838062
Fair enough. I guess it's just a matter of getting familiar with it. It's just a bit disappointing that I was purposefully mislead. It's not the end of the world though.

Anime anatomy is just normal anatomy with stylized proportions and an anime head stuck on top.

>>3838390
This.

>>3838335
>purposefully mislead

>>3837598
the real trick to getting good is your willingness to try different styles while doing something new.
i think thats the best way to improve drawing skills.

>>3838397
They got me good. It's actually hilarious and I can appreciate it. I learned a lesson from it though. I can't say I made no progress. I can build onto my knowledge further down the road.

>>3838390
Yeah, I blew it out of proportion. I thought I'd be able to produce an anime head out of the gate due to my studies but it surprisingly takes a lot of practice. It's weird how obvious something is after you figure it out. OF COURSE you have to practice the thing you want to do. It seems like common sense but when you practice replicating something it seems like it would be easy but you don't realize you have to do it from imagination too.

>>3838407
This is actually what I've been focusing on. Also being an animator really gives me more of a reason to. The thing is I wish I didn't revert back to my comfort zone after practicing a few times. If I focused on drawing a variety of different styles consistently it'd be much better but I'm not sure how to do that without a constant reminder to.

>>3838390
>Anime anatomy is just normal anatomy

>>3838407
:O i have been doing this unintentionally! now i can use this as an excuse for being inconsistent :D

>>3838424
what is the point of this post
what are you even trying to say here
why did you post that image?
what a bad post

>>3838456
The point is anime anatomy isn't normal.

>>3838551
he said with stylized proportions moron
making the tits and ass bigger is not some secret japanese technique

anime anatomy is normal anatomy, theres not such thing as "anime anatomy" just stylized anatomy

>>3838557
Having a shorter arm or a broken back isn't a style though.

Just do that style where it's all soft lines and shapes and pastel colours. People pay for that shit and it requires zero skill. There's tonnes of people like that who just draw Splatoon OCs for borderline pedos.

>>3838424
>anime anatomy
>posts hentai

fucking niggers I swear

>>3839370
>inb4 this is a """"""style""""""" too

>>3839522
Or this

>>3839522
This is really beautiful.

>>3837598
Because everyone here wants everyone else to fail.

>>3839522
good show

>>3837598
Just apply your fundamentals to make something out of your own style, people that 'study' anime are just memorising symbol drawing, fuck that.
That's the reason why all western or beginner copies of anime either
A. Don't look like Anime, or B. Look shit.

>>3840256
This. Copying anime has to be the worst meme to learning how to draw anime.

>>3837598
You really think that you will get good at ANYTHING, after a year of practicing fundamentals?
Make that 3-5 years, and then we can talk.

Also, of course you don't go and spend ALL your drawing time on fundamentals. You also draw stuff you enjoy in order to keep yourself motivated.

The problem is not in this community and their advice. The problem is you and your dumb brain.

>>3837599
fpbp

>>3840398
Why do people justify their garbage advice with this? Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about. It may be obvious to you but if it isn't obvious to some and you know that it isn't then you're just shit at giving advice and that's that.
You can't possibly know something you don't know. When someone gets advice on how to improve properly, it's assumed that that's all there is to it by beginners. Please don't think this deflection gets you off the hook by allowing your garbage advice that beginners come here for to flow, all because you think it's on them to know it. As the sole purpose of this place is to inform those about art and it's intricacies. You're forgetting that these are beginners and they're here because they DON'T know what you need to know. They come here to LEARN that, you stupid fuck.

You're too stupid and simple to give advice. If you are unable to critically think about things like this then you shouldn't bother. Leave it to people who aren't too dumb to consider the possibilities. They're beginners for a reason. Sorry you don't have the capacity to understand that, dumbass.
Keep telling yourself that they're the problem and not you. As if you could give proper critique if you live even depended on it. Look where we are.

>>3840466
>the sole purpose of this place is to inform those about art and it's intricacies.
lmao

>>3840398
When did I say at all, that I would get good in that amount of time? Are you making up arguments for me so you can argue with them? Stupid cunt.
>You really think that you will get good at ANYTHING, after a year of practicing fundamentals?
You do realize that you can improve within a year correct? You do realize that improving at something doesn't necessarily mean your end goal is to be a master correct? You understand that someone can improve at something and that their improvement in that one year can add up to that mastery, right? Ah, fuck. Who am I kidding, you wrote this without any provocation just so you could argue, so why am I trying to reason with a delusional cunt?

>Also, of course you don't go and spend ALL your drawing time on fundamentals.
WOW AMAZING REVELATION!!! Who would have guessed? It's almost like I put that in the OP after figuring it out. It's crazy that I wouldn't know to look for something I didn't know existed or know to know it if there were no external factors that would prove that to me aside from my experience. It's like I hadn't considered it until I put all of the work in after being told to not draw it, then after all of it was done, I decided it was time, only to find out I couldn't and THEN I realized this.
>You also draw stuff you enjoy in order to keep yourself motivated.
Wow, insane outlook there! Wow, it's like I wanted to draw what I enjoyed but I couldn't, so I came here for advice, got told to practice the fundamentals alone and I assumed that alone would allow me to properly draw anime. But little did I know, people at /ic/ have no idea what they're talking about, then they backtrack by saying that the community isn't the problem, even when the person claiming that said the opposite of what I was told to do by that same community he's claiming did no wrong. Amazing.
It's obvious and the community didn't give bad advice (Even on purpose) and yet you're saying the opposite of them? Crazy.

You're still too bootybothered to see there's no one to blame but yourself for your inability to filter internet comments as something that could or could not be good for you.

This is like the L O O M I S meme. You're not supposed to read Fun With A Pencil and think you're a artist rockstar. You're supposed to learn to think for yourself and research. Unless you can clear this hurdle, you're not going to make it.

>>3840473
Well it's artwork and critique. You're right. This place is garbage and isn't what it should be, but to say that your advice that beginners come to the board for is fit to be garbage because you're too dumb to understand that people should be taught these things is childish. It honestly matches this board full of terrible artists perfectly.
They play dumb and act as if their shit advice is ok because they think beginners should figure it out themselves. Like, what? That's what they come here for. We're not going to sit here and act like they could give advice even if they wanted to. If they could they would have known and understood that it's something that isn't as common knowledge as it may seem (Seeing as I've seen many people coming to this realization, and many great artists pointing this out, drawing the line of there needing to be a clarification.)
We can say they're dumb, sure. But that doesn't really change anything. We give advice to help others.

I won't blame them though. They're too dumb to understand that this is a possibility. Humans are too dumb for their own good. (i.e. >>3840490 )

>ngmi brainlets literally cannot think for themselves
NPC meme is real

>>3840490
>>3840493
You're just too stupid to give good advice. You have no idea what you're talking about and you excuse your inability to give good advice by claiming someone should figure it out themselves. I can see right through you. You're pathetic.

>>3840490
>>3840493
>ITT: people who can't give advice relying on others to figure it out for themselves because they can't give advice if they wanted to. It requires self-reflection that is impossible for someone so co-dependent.

>>3840497
Nice try, but I have been telling people to do what they like as well to build confidence around here for a long time.

Drawing is a mental exercise and there's a sticky to give you tools for it. None of them will matter dick if your mindset is wrong, and being unable or unwilling to seek answers on your own is the only way to do it. There's not going to be step by step tutorials on everything and you're not entitled to other people's time.

>>3840504
>and being unable or unwilling to seek answers on your own is the only way to do it
*wrong

Missed a word there.

>>3840504
You're asking me to seek out advice that I had no idea I needed to seek out. At the moment I assumed that that was all I needed because everyone told me what I assumed was all that was needed.
I didn't need a step by step tutorial on any of the learning I did. I figured it out on my own. It has nothing to do with a step-by-step tutorial you smug cunt. It has to do with me assuming practicing the fundamentals would make me better at the goal I wanted to achieve. It got me no closer than actually practicing the thing itself would have. Sure I can use my fundamentals but I still have to learn it, which is fine.
It's fine if you want to excuse your inability to give advice, but don't defend those who were objectively wrong in their advice. You tell me that it's obvious, but this is after I was told the opposite, so I don't know what you want me to do. You're being completely unreasonable. But it's no surprise from someone who can never take blame for anything even if they've directly caused it.
I can understand that I am at fault for taking advice from people who can't draw themselves but you're going to sit and whine about me being purposefully told to not study the thing I wanted to learn. I assumed my fundamentals would allow me to do it with ease. My brain hadn't considered that practicing the thing itself would help more, because it was told the opposite, and I'm new to drawing so I didn't make the connection.

You'd probably tell a beginner that he can improve his ability to draw by only using digital, which is technically true, but when he comes back and talks about not being able to draw on paper you'll laugh at him and tell him it's common sense and that he should have figured it out. He could have safely assumed it would transfer over. He did improve his skills, but not he struggles with traditional and is a bit irritated about being mislead. And all you can reply with is 'u should have figured it out' despite telling him the literal opposite.

>>3840518
tl;dr

No one is going to give you your year back, no one else is responsible for you wasting your own time, go draw.

>>3840504
If you can't provide information that you understand can be misinterpreted, then you're too stupid to give advice. It's as simple as that.

Don't excuse your stupidity. It's extremely transparent. The people took their time out to give the wrong advice, so they could do the opposite. Fuck off with the entitlement bullshit.

>>3840521
Glad you agree that you're incapable of giving sufficient advice and hide behind a smug cover of just not wanting to. It's hilarious.
I didn't waste my year. I've improved a shit ton. Just not with my goal. And that's fine. I'll work on my goal next.

>>3840523
If you can't interpret information and extrapolate from it, any advice is pearls before swine, completely lost on you. People don't come to /ic/ because they're certified art teachers. They're artists.

>>3840524
Good. You're welcome.

>>3840525
Just don't give advice. People who have no idea what they're talking about shouldn't do so anyway.

>>3840526
Only thing I ask is to stop giving advice. You're probably not equipped to. Try getting out of /beg/ first. You have to understand how to do it before teaching it. As you get better you'll be able to little by little.

>ITT literal babies complain they were spoonfed bad wah wah

>>3840527
I hear your advice, decide it doesn't apply to what I want to do and reject it, deciding to do what I want instead. If only OP could do that, we wouldn't have this thread, and he'd be posting progress instead.

>>3840527
Do you know how many /beg/s give advice here? The whole board is full of begs. They get away with it because no one here is good enough to understand. That's like asking a church to stop praying. It's the only reason they're buttmad in this thread.

>>3840527
You can tell who's /beg/ and who isn't when the topic of advice comes up. They all try to appear edgy and stubborn to divert from the obvious. That they have no idea how to provide it even if they wanted to.
>>3840535

>>3840497
Kek. Implying they have the self-reflection/awareness to even consider that. Or that they're not trolls who don't even draw.

the poster counter remains the same, the replies always around two minutes away, and this NGMI thinks he's slick like people can't tell he's sockpuppeting his ass out here

The fact that you left /ic/ for long enough to grind, and come back one year later to realize you've wasted your time shows that you're gmi.
also
>taking advice from a bunch of beginners
You're probably better than half of the ones who gave you the advice KEK.

>>3839522
>>3839524
XXXholic and Blood-c are done by the same animation company and manga group (production I.G and Clamp respectively), so yeah, it actually is a style in this case.

>>3840547
It's bait. I wish this whole thread was, but it's mostly OP being a complete retard.

>>3840542
Is that right?

>>3840553
Yeah, it is.

You get what you deserve. All of the advice here is shit with a few exceptions. Everyone thinks they know everything, and then when their bullocks gets spit back in their face, they throw a fit.
As you can see by the 70 replies.

Both sides are stupid. This art board isn't for improving. It's for whining, giving shit advice (And then backpeddling when confronted), being told by people who don't know what it means to 'just draw', whining about popular artists, being that one obnoxious piece of shit who thinks it's cool to be pretentious and smug, etc.
There's no room for understanding. Beginners are the dumbest of the dumb and those that don't understand that either refuse or outright ignore it, in favor of giving their uninformed and wrong advice. Most of this board is parroting actually good advice which has been taken out of context. For example, 'just draw', 'study your fundamentals first only', 'feel the form'.
All of which are said with no understanding of the context (subtext) that inherently exist within them. Beginners hear it, and repeat it endlessly. Then, like clockwork, you have the malicious, obnoxious pieces of shit coming out of the woodwork, not knowing anything, trying to excuse away their incompetencies.

It's disgusting. There's nothing for you here except artbooks. Everything else is tainted by the talentless, unknowledgeable, the ignorant and the willfully ignorant. Last being the worst of all.

>>3840466
I couldn't care less about giving advice to dumb people like you and other scrubs that come seek it on /ic/.
You will never get good, cause you lack intelligence and a spine to do some actual hard work.
The OP here is just an example of that crybaby mentality you all share here.
You are failures and no amount of advice will ever fix that.
Again, it's not a problem of bad advice on /ic/, the problem is that you can't make that advice work, no matter how much you try.
You are losers.

>>3840585
great comment.

If you want a supporting community go to drawabox.
the correct thing is to draw what you enjoy drawing half of the time, and the other half is fundies. This is so that you don't get drained. what is the point of only learning fundies, and finally learn you have no passion or you dont actually know how to apply those fundies on things you enjoy

>>3840598
Here we go. Another episode of shifting the blame, as you're never wrong, huh. Everyone on /ic/ is a loser with very few exceptions. Clearly everyone who has a problem with this sorry excuse for an art board is the loser, not the ones who can barely give advice, and or are so garbage at art bitter that they refuse to give proper advice and choose to misdirect the ones here to receive direction.
There's a sticky made to help beginners, but clearly this board isn't here to help people improve. Huh.

>I couldn't care less about giving advice to dumb people like you and other scrubs that come seek it on /ic/.
That's implying that you can. Funny.
>The OP here is just an example of that crybaby mentality you all share here.
The one who spent a year learning fundamentals? Moreso than most people on this board can say? I agree he's a whiny bitch but his criticism is valid. This isn't the only instance. This place is objectively terrible at giving advice. That's legit why I'm here. So I can help people because others are too incompetent. Including yourself.
>Again, it's not a problem of bad advice on /ic/
You're so defensive. No surprise. Sorry, but you need to face the cold hard truth. You see no problem with it because you don't draw anyway. But for those of us who want to actually do things, we want the best environment possible for learning. Sorry your standards are so low.
>the problem is that you can't make that advice work
I didn't need to. I've used other, better resources.

>You are losers.
Depends on what you consider a loser. I worked professionally at a medium-sized animation company, freelance, and I own my own Electrician company. My skills in terms of art and animation, life, and happiness probably outweigh your miserable ass' 10 fold. Try again.

You probably sit on your ass all day talking shit on 4chan.

>>3840610
Draw a box is how I started off. It's actually really great. Almost forgot completely about it. Only problem is I wish that community was more accessible than 4chan. It sucks that so many will fall here and figure out the hard way that this isn't really the place to learn.
To be fair though I've seen my fair share of great advice here though. Especially that Kim Jung Gi thread.

It's hard for me to decide if it's worth it to stick around for it for beginners. No point in dwelling on it though.

>>3840611
I guess you clearly don't fall in the category of losers I was talking about. Why are you so mad then?
All I can think of is that you are lying and you actually are one of the losers I'm talking about.

>I worked professionally at a medium-sized animation company, freelance, and I own my own Electrician company. My skills in terms of art and animation, life, and happiness probably outweigh your miserable ass' 10 fold. Try again.
Assumptions.
I live off my art, I run a successful business, I am happy.

All I see on /ic/ every day is failures that open whiny threads about their problems and their depression and yada yada. Just like this thread here.
I will repeat this for the last time. Ic is not going to teach you how to become good at art. The problem is not the bad advice on /ic/, the problem is the lack of self discipline, passion and willingness to work hard in order to actually become good.

>>3840623
>The problem is not the bad advice on /ic/
I can't convince someone of a position they didn't reason themselves into. If you think this, that's up to you. But the fact that you do is clear evidence you me that you don't know anything.
If you're saying this sentence without a hint of irony, that's all that needs to be said for me to understand that I shouldn't be talking to you. You're arguing just to argue.

The truth is, you know nothing and you want to feel better about yourself by being as big of a dickhead as you can.
You've never drawn a page in your life, and if you have, it's riddled with chicken-scratching.

>>3840616
>It's hard for me to decide if it's worth it to stick around for it for beginners. No point in dwelling on it though.

yeah, they will find their way sooner or later. If anything they have some great stickies and more free books than they will ever need.

>WAAAAH A BOARD FULL OF ARTISTS ISN'T A BOARD FULL OF ART TEACHERS, FUCK YOU GUYS I'M AN ELECTRICIAN

>>3840666
It's more like:
>A BOARD FULL OF WANNABE ART TEACHERS CAN'T PROPERLY GIVE ADVICE AND DESPITE THE RAMPANT BAD ADVICE, CRITIQUE, AND TIPS GIVEN THAT THE BOARD IS KNOWN FOR, SOMEHOW, AS SOON AS THE ADVICE GIVEN IS NOW PUT INTO QUESTION AND TESTED BY A LIVE PARTICIPANT, IT'S NO LONGER A BOARD ABOUT ART AND CRITIQUE THAT GIVES ART AND CRITIQUE, SO LONG AS I DON'T HAVE TO THINK OF MY FAVORITE BOARD AS INCOMPETENT

>>3840666
>FUCK YOU GUYS I'M AN ELECTRICIAN
Also, I'm glad to see you actually held on to what I said, since you threw this irrelevant impersonation of me that doesn't represent me in any way except for the fact that I'm an electrician? Ok..?

>>3840670
>why oh why won't anonymous strangers on the internet have the exact perfect brand of drawing regimen written out for ME
Stuff like this thread is why a lot of artists won't share their "secrets" and instead just say general shit like "uh, read Loomis and study your fundies" when asked by people for tips on how to get started or better: drawing is hard and no wants to be responsible for when a moron gets frustrated enough to throw a tantrum. No one owes you dick unless you're paying them, and if you think we're incompetent, you're free to go find somewhere else. You could be drawing instead of being in a place you hate.

>>3840676
>No one owes you dick unless you're paying them
Yet people still give advice freely. Weeeird. It's kinda like people always give advice, no problem, but as soon as it's outed as the garbage that it is, you go on about how someone doesn't deserve advice, as if that addresses or excuses what bad advice was given. Your point is?

>>3840676
>You could be drawing instead of being in a place you hate.
I'm working currently.

>>3840679
>>3840681

People are free to say whatever they want and you're a retard if you take randos' advice as gospel regardless of how much of a beginner you are. Nothing you say will change that. Don't like it around here, fuck off. It's not that hard.

>>3840684
Ah, yes, still dodging the point as usual. Crazy how quickly you flip when cornered.
>'xddd theres nothing wrong with the advice here, ur just dum'
And as soon as you're forced to see the point I'm making
>'u shudnt listen 2 strangers thats what u get xddd'

Alright then, so now that that's settled, I guess we agree that everything I said before hand was completely correct, given that your reply differs from your previous arguments as you had less to bite back with. Like clockwork.

>>3840689
There's no argument. You're dumb. You were told why you're dumb. You're too dumb to get that too and keep on doubling down, doing yourself a disservice by staying in a place that is in your own view the opposite of what you want it to be. Everyone else seems to be having a good time. You're not.

>>3840690
>ur dumb
>doubling down
lol, it's like you knew what I was going to say when you wrote your reply.

You changed your argument as soon as I explained in a way that your ignorant brain could understand and now you're doubling down, even when we can literally look at your arguments and see them change as it goes on and you see that I'm not budging. You're just out to be as obnoxious as possible. No one is dumb enough to see these things and not understand that you're not just trying to troll.

It's clear. You saw you weren't getting to me, so you went to the next obnoxious way of absolving yourself from the blame of your inability to give advice. So pathetic.

>>3840690
Just stop, dude. This is painful to see.

>>3840694
Counterpoint: you're not a very clever man.

>>3840696
Again with the sockpuppets 2 minutes later, huh?

>>3840623
>>3840676
>>3840684
>IC DOESNT GIVE BAD ADVICE!!!!!!!1???
>"Yes it does"
>NOT IT DOESNT??? U DONT DESERVE GOOD ADVICE WERE NOT UR TEACHERS???
>"Ok but people give advice all of the time, its not like it's rare"
>WELL THATS WHAT U GET 4 LISTENING TO STRANGERS CHECK MATE UR DUM xDDDDD
Basically validating my entire argument before-hand.

I won't waste anymore time. I'll see you around. Focus on getting better at drawing. You'll need that time.

>>3840706
You. Dumb.

>>3840684
This, people want an anonymous forum with all the benefits but none of the downsides. You can’t have something that perfect because it doesn’t exist. The anonymous strangers on here don’t know you personally so sometimes their advice will click and help you improve and others times it won’t. It’s your responsibility to know what works for you because you’re the only person on here that knows who you are and how you learn.

>>3840706
I never said /ic/ doesn't give bad advice. There's probably more bad advice here than good one, just because the majority of people here are scrubs and there are very few people that actually know what they are talking about.
I said /ic/ s advice isn't the reason you guys don't get good at art. The reason why you don't get good I already explained several times.
tl;dr you are lazy

Telling somebody who wants to draw anime not to draw anime is bad. You shouldn't follow that kind of advice, the people saying it are newfags who just dislike anime so they try to get people to stay away from it. There is a grain of truth to it, though: some people who start out with (for example) anime will tend to get stuck doing semi profile busts of anime girls with local color and they get stuck doing that because they're scared of facing the fact that they can't do anything else without losing all appeal (due to a lack of fundamentals)

>YOU HAVE TO PRACTICE ALL OVER AGAIN TO REACH THE GOAL
This is completely false however. If you have a basic understanding of 3d, proportion and the planes of the face, all you need to do is sit down with a few favorite anime artists and do some copying and tracing to get their symbols, abstractions and proportions down. The more skilled you are, the easier it will be to internalize their drawings and create original ones that look like the origin.

>OP is my anime work.
That's not fucking anime. Why won't you sit down and study anime? Download your favorite doujin or anime art book and fucking trace every single character in it, literally. Do it for an hour or two every day and your anime will soon actually look like anime. This honestly goes for all people here who want to learn anime. I don't get how people can complain about not being able to draw anime, it's like nobody makes serious attempts.

>>3840817
It's funny that you make this post now. I'm actually studying anime right now hahaha. Makes me want to kill myself. The dropoff in my comfort zone I mean. I've been doing it for the past few days the thread has been up and I'm making progress.

Having a lot of trouble getting the 3/4th eyes correct.

> Download your favorite doujin or anime art book and fucking trace every single character in it, literally.
Along with that I'm trying to get the style of Panty and Stocking down to memory (Sketchbook drawings, not the show since it's way too simplistic) so I can incorporate it into my visual library. Funny timing.

>>3837598
I don't see any fundamentals.
Post your observational drawings.

>>3840889
nice

>>3840892
I'm not sure how to interpret that. Please tell me what you mean with "nice".

>>3840896
When you say you don't see any fundamentals. The OP wasn't to prove myself. It was just a shitpost drawing. That was a bit obnoxious of me, I apologize. Just a bit tired.
To be truthful with you, my observational drawings are garbage. It's something I need to practice currently.

>>3840899
>To be truthful with you, my observational drawings are garbage.
It's such a common mistake, which is why I brought it up. It's understandable that people who don't want to simply copy are inclined to go straight to construction as their fundamentals, but observation is the prerequisite for everything.
You need to translate proportions properly to even study. If you can't analyze what you see you're just going to make a habit of drawing mistakes.

>>3840946
Yeah, I read 20 or so pages of a memory/observation book but I forgot to go back to it. It genuinely is something I'm trying to learn but my garbage memory made me forget entirely.
Lately I've been trying to draw more items I see in real life. And I have been practicing measuring. I'm just terrible at it, but I'll get there. Thanks for reminding me, man.

>>3837921
>>3838062

Are you guys purposefully telling OP bad advice? There's a marked difference between someone who understands how to draw humans but not anime stylization and someone who knows what makes anime visuals effective.

Holy shit, I'm laughing so hard. Op is utterly pathetic. Paragraphs of replies telling people to stop giving reliable drawing advice on a drawing advice board.
Seriously though, why would you bither studying fundies if you weren't going to apply it to things you want to draw?