/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I caved and started the Loomis book. Let's see if it works.

>>3839123

Does anyone else feel like the Drawabox superimposed lines exercise doesn't work on printer paper? I'll make an obvious mistake and draw a line shooting way off target, then I'll find myself tracing the exact same trajectory a couple of more times. Maybe I'm going too hard on the pen and creating grooves in the page that redirect the flow of the stroke.

>>3839123
>>3839144
Looking good, although maybe sketch out the outline and most prominent planes on a lower opacity layer, then paint over it to get more accuracy.
Nice stuff either way, anon.

>>3839148
post an example
>I'll find myself tracing the exact same trajectory a couple of more times
Maybe your brain is fixated on the wrong line and this is why ou trace it?

I'm doing some battle angel stuff. I see that some thing is out of place, but i don't know what. help please :(

>>3839148
>Drawabox superimposed lines exercise
link for clarification.

>>3839153
>post an example
Can't really right now: I scrapped the page I was working on because looking at it made me feel like I had slipped backwards in progression after a single day.
I'm trying to draw from the shoulder without giving it any more thought than I need to, but I do find that once I get into the groove there's no problem.
Now I'm wondering if the success I've had is down to the same issue: what if I've been getting lucky with the first couple of strokes and making grooves that guide the other strokes? Or is this just some extreme neuroticism?
>>3839165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wsqyKW0iFw&feature=youtu.be

>>3839159
(correction)

>>3839166
Be gentle, you don't need to apply force to make a mark.

>>3839175
Aye, might be down to how I hold my pen: more used to working with pencils, so it's a bit of an adjustment.

>>3839148
>Maybe I'm going too hard on the pen and creating grooves in the page that redirect the flow of the stroke.
Yup. Also this works with tablets. Even more, it helps with the hand eye coordination of tablets. Honestly, forcing yourself to discipline by using pen and paper is fucking retarded. Have some self discipline instead, make every mark count. Use a tablet if you want to.

>>3839180
Right-o. I'll stick to the pen, since that what the Drawabox insists on, but I'll make an effort to go easier on it.
It's kind of difficult to regulate pressure when making a bold stroke with the whole arm, but if that's what needs doing then that's what needs doing.

>>3839166
>I scrapped the page
sad, I always keep them even when I messed up. Was it your first few times doing the superimposed excercise? When yes it isn't bad that, because this is something you train over time. And don't forget that you aren't supposed to grind the stuff from drawabox just to the homework and to your best, you can later always go back and try them again. But you can use the superimposed lines as a warm up (Not longer then 15 minutes) when you think they are bad.

>>3839183
I used to do this, and found that stretching and flexing wrist and fingers for a minute or two helps with not putting hard pressure. And of course, this helps with drawing in general as well.

>>3839169
its too late. You've already linearted the sketch with a pen. Alita's body is petite, she's not that tall. Proportions are off

>>3839190
I was doing it as an exercise, and I understand that Drawabox stresses failure as art of the process, but it was such a drastic downgrade compared to other pages that it pissed me off just looking at it.
>>3839196
Will do. Been doing pushups which helps to strengthen the shoulder muscles for this sort of thing, too.

What the fuck is a Loomie? I keep reading it.

>>3839235
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=loomie

stupid question:

is a good or a bad thing to rest the hand on the paper (or the table) while drawing??

>>3839169
is the sword. Work on perspective, that angle is difficult.

Have I fucked the shading up?

>>3839266
https://youtu.be/LrHfrncvODQ

>>3839250
I don't think there's any real problem with it as long as your hand isn't sweaty or otherwise dirty.
Maybe you'll want less friction when drawing large strokes, though.

>>3839292
http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

What are some other good books that teach how to draw hands other than Loomis?

>>3839306
>>3824363

alright I think I'm ready to graduate lads. I'm excited. Please test me: 3 portraits references. I'll try finish within the hour.

>>3839314
photo or painting?

>>3839316
anything. female/male
shit lighting good lighting
whateves.

>>3839317
here have kaiser Franz Joseph I. from austria-hungary

>>3839314
>portrait

nigga grab a yoga pose from jewgle and draw it from a different angle then we talk

>>3839304
There's no need for perfect accuracy.

>>3839324
>>3839321

man i'm getting nervous. Harder to draw when you know someone will see it.
I'm down for more than one more actually. I feel like the dude is a pass but the cat is a fail.

>>3839347
>tfw it was bait after all

>>3839341
You clearly need a little.

Redraw of this >>3838284 from last thread. I kind of got ahead of myself with the fire, maybe I should draw clothes and finish a drawing first since it’s been months since I did that.

>>3839467
is that a robot?

>>3839467
Sure, do that.

>>3839123
>>3839144
This is pretty good, kinda wish you’d use more precise, less muddy strokes though.

>>3839469
A ton of construction lines because I can’t bring my self to finish stuff.

do you need a laminated screen like the one on Huion KAMVAS Pro 13 to get reduced parallax????
i get ocd when it comes to it plz help

>>3838968
First time I try drawing without an outline.

> try to draw a face keeping the structure in mind and constructing it properly
> fuck it up halfway through
> just finish it without proper structure or anything
> draw construction lines over the finished thing cause i feel guilty
i'm such a filthy pleb

>>3839566
i like it, eye placement is a bit awkward otherwise nice

>>3839575
Thank you anon! I'll use more guidelines for the eyes now

>>3839566
Nice style on the face sketch

>>3838483
Glad someone helped me figure out what was wrong in the first one. After a few referenced buildings I can do half-decent one without refs at least. I might have to work a lot on design tho,,,,

How to i make stuff look less murky/ more polished? Everything i draw always has the same texture, and i don’t know how to fix it :/

>>3839601
use more hard edges I'd say

I dreww this picture of a desk

Did I do anything wrong?

>>3839502
I don't know if the advice I'll give you is going to be very good, so take it as a grain of salt please.
I believe the colors look nice together and the elements of the face are placed quite correctly. The only thing I'd suggest is to define more everything. For example, the eyes are well defined but the rest of the drawing seems too blurry and kind of messy.
So I don't think there's problems with the anatomy or colors but with the final render of the image.

>>3839601
experiment with harder/ more textured brushes ? maybe ?
also look up how to render hard edges/soft edges (though i think your rendering is prettey good)
and make stronger contrasts by using diff colors and values
a few things i'd do here would be making the bg and shadows a lot darker and the light sources a lot shinier (i dont like to do so but using a layer set on add glow blending mode in ccp can help achieving that)
hope this helps

>>3839601
Shit values.

>>3839589
in no 2, unless you want to go for that extreme effect you should probably place the vanishing points farther away. also fig 1 is wonky, try to imagine the ground plan. it's almost like an mc escher thing with the stairs that wouldn't work in reality

you'll get there

>>3839620
Posting this an expecting a serious response
Kill yourself

>>3839611
>>3839628
Thanks my dudes :) i’ll try those out hehe
>>3839636
At least you’re honest lol

>>3839620
Yes

>>3839175
Could be cheap paper, too. Cheap bond is easy to dent, which is why I prefer bristol.

>>3839250
Nothing wrong with it, but many here are triggered by it, because some YTer told them to always draw from the shoulder, or something. If you're working small, or on details, there's nothing wrong with it. Larger drawings, draw from the elbow or shoulder. Your whole arm, from the shoulder to the fingers, is fine.

>>3839726
He could also just be an ape who is stabbing the paper.

>>3839601
Use brighter hues of color for the "murky' issue, and look at your contrasts. Convert the image to greyscale, your values are all within the same rage except for the light rays, window, an green on the skirt.

Texture is texture, and you're airbrushing everything, which is why it's so "polished" looking. You need to have noise and light scattering to create the illusion of texture.

Read this article, and watch the videos, and pay attention to how she's rendering textures.

http://www.cgarena.com/freestuff/tutorials/photoshop/judith/judith.html

>>3839731
That too. I remember seeing other kids in art classes who used death grips, never understood it.

>>3839744
i do that

i was lended an android tablet
btw how is this better than the graphic ones?

>>3839625
thank you, it makes a lot of sense!

hello /beg/

I tried this in the drawthread but maybe people here have something to say. I have a problem with pushing shadow, i feel like i'm scared of the whole thing looking muddy. Also might be the horrible screen i have.

>>3839809
>>3835611

>>3839736
Thanks my dude :)

>>3838968
So I have pretty bad tendonitis as well as ulnar entrapment (music). I also deal with pretty significant neck and back pain from slipping and falling on ice/getting in a car wreck. Before all this I used to draw, and I had a lot of fun with it, is it possible for me to get better or to at least deal with a manageable amount of pain if I got a teacher? If so, what kind of teacher should I look for? Anyone else deal with this and how did you cope?

>>3839793
You're welcome senpai, keep on going because It's clear that you've got great skills.

Think I got a decent hand on gesture heads (from Steve Huston's book) so now onto the torso and hips. Some questions:

1. Will the gesture phase look more accurate the more I both do them and start to learn anatomy and become more in-depth with each part.

2. Is it normal for something thats easier on larger paper to become a lot harder on small paper? Feels easier to do figure drawing on 18 x 24 paper then when i try it on my smaller 9 x 12 pad.

>>3839812
I just figured I'm not on the level to be on that thread, so I come to /beg/...

>>3839825
Your issues are something a physical therapist would be much more capable of handling. You want to work with one so you don't make your condition worse.

Most art teachers aren't going to be trained in dealing with this.

You might find physical therapists who teach art, but I have no clue. You might want to see if there's a physical therapy association near you who can offer you advice.

>>3839809
>>3839845
You are DEFINITELY not /beg/.

>>3839843
>1. Will the gesture phase look more accurate the more I both do them and start to learn anatomy and become more in-depth with each part.
Yes. Knowing anatomy makes your gesture align to the anatomy. Conversely, good gesture doesn't need heavy use of anatomy to be clear. I prefer to keep gesture loose and do final studies on a different sheet. Good gesture doesn't always directly translate to final figures.
>2. Is it normal for something thats easier on larger paper to become a lot harder on small paper? Feels easier to do figure drawing on 18 x 24 paper then when i try it on my smaller 9 x 12 pad.
Yeah, can really only fit one or two figures on a 9x12.

does this look fine so far? This is my first time trying to render something in my 2 months of drawing :)

>>3839924
cute boy

>>3839943
if someone doesn't have tits does that make them a boy? Lmfao.

>>3839924
>2 months drawing
>just a copy of someone's work

>>3839924
is the pelvis supposed to be coming forward? If it isn't, pic related is roughly what I think it should be

>>3839951
? What do you want me to do lmfao. I have to try to draw 10 female figures for my anatomy assignment. Also if you don't believe me here https://www.deviantart.com/artprogess

>>3839954
Yes it's far more obvious now that I rendered the torse i'll post in like 20 mins

>>3839502
what about now?? >>3839625

just fuck me up

>>3839956
Bruh maybe try studying anatomy

>>3839924
Ok i'm technically done, let me know if you want a background for this.

>>3839980
??????? you do know i'm literally drawing from an asanagi image. He doesn't draw girls normally Pepega. I doubt you're any better.

>>3839990
I forgot to rescale

>>3839990
He means you understand so little about anatomy that you can’t even do a study without flattening the shit out of it. Basically you’re just copying lines pointlessly.

>>3839992
Harsh.

>>3839990

>>3839989
>your scribbles
now asanagi

>>3839995
Yeah thats the image? I haven't been drawing for over a decade like he has.

>>3839995
you must actually be jealous as fuck bro. I've been drawing for literally 2 months yet i'm still probably better at copying then you, I dare you to try to draw the image "perfectly." I never said I was amazing.

>>3839996
>wtf it's not my fault i haven't drawn for one gorillion of years

you are not being judged for not doing a 1/1 copy but because you are a fucking retard that is mindlessly copying and the result is what people is pointing out

>>3839997
Based troll

>>3840000
I literally have no idea what the fuck you mean by "mindlessly copying" I understand whats going on in the image. The entire image is foreshortened and laying upright. I'm not going to pay attention to every subtle detail in a fucking study that took me like 4 hours.

>>3840000
"is pointing out" Nice grammar lmfao you can't draw and you can't spell.

>>3839995
>asanagi.jpg
kek, this just proves my point >>3839992

>>3840003
I refuse to believe you spend 4 hours on that

>>3840006
Lmfao at you crabs gl staying in /beg forever.

>>3840007
"spend" its "spent" jesus fuck some of you people are actual Pepega retards. Can someone just redline whats so wrong with my image?

>>3840008
I'm quite serious about the crit, you need to check your attitude as well if you want to get to asanagi's level.

>>3840003
>4 hours
this is why beg is full of NGMI, you could've used that time to study any art book and get something helpful out of it, but instead you wasted your time drawing something that shows how little you know about drawing in general

>>3840012
I'm not the one insulting people for not drawing an image perfectly and saying "you're a retard who draws lines pointlessly." I wasn't the one who started to insult people. Stop sucking Asanagis cock so hard jesus christ. If I were to draw something from highlow nobody would give a shit.

>>3840014
pyw faggot reading art books doesn't do shit if you don't copy from them...

>>3840015
I didn't call you a retard or insult you, that's in your own mind.
Just loomis & perspective and you will make it, it's not bad, but you're still near the starting line.

>>3840014
I find it quite funny how you say my drawing is so shit, yet nobody can actually point out whats wrong with it. Is it at asanagis level? Fuck no is it even anatomically correct? Also fuck no but you know i'm not posting here just to get insulted without any actual help.

>>3840025
delete the background of asanagi's pic , and i swear that anyone could tell that the girl is laying down, now look at your drawing .

you don't have to add every detail to make it look like asanagi's pic, your problem is that you are a fucking beg that haven't spent more that 1h reading any drawing book and you couldn't tell how flat your drawing looks.

>>3840025
Try to do something more simple if you're really interested in drawing. Your lines, shape, and understanding of anatomy and lighting isn't there yet. People act like it's a meme but loomis is good for understanding basics of shape and light.

>>3839992
Ok here Without help from any of you (lol) I managed to make it slightly less flat by simply making the upper body smaller.

>>3840040
The issues aren't in the proportions, it's that you aren't thinking about the form or in 3d, there's no construction or form intuition.
Look at some of flintcocks WIPs and you'll see the thought process behind it, he's super autistic about it and heading in a similar direction to asanagi.

Check this link full of construction drawings by teal as well https://imgur.com/gallery/8eHzD , read through and see if you get what people are saying.

Then do a shit ton of vilppu or hampton or loomis or robertson or anything from the sticky.

>>3840050
Ok ty for actually helping me unlike a whole bunch of other people in this thread.

>>3840055
No worries, I actually started the drama but your autistic screeching got too much to bare.

>>3839967
Very cool!

>>3840040
yeah you might want to measure a bit more carefully since you just copy contour line and not using construction
another reason why it feel flat because her waist is not dramatic enough
one 4 hours to figure at your level is silly
learn one thing at the time

I'm reading through perspective made easy... but what should I do with the information? Just draw random objects?

>>3840050

Not him but this is great stuff, thanks

how to learn to see? all of my shit looks so amateur and I know a massive part of it's because I can't grasp what things actually look like, but I genuinely can't figure out how the fuck to stop doing it

>>3840081
>these lines
You have got to be one of the best anon who roam this thread.

>>3840100
https://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

What can I do to add motion or some more interesting sense of perspective?

>>3839809
Make your shadows darker. The more contrast there is between light family and shadow family the more your drawing pops, it’ll look more 3D. Other than that you’re good, don’t see any issues with where the shadows have been placed. No get outta here before you make more people feel jealous, including me.

>>3840087
Use your imagination.

>>3840087
>but what should I do with the information?
The question for the end of times.

>>3840087
You’re the artist dickhead, draw whatever

B or A

>>3840248
A.

>>3840248
B

>>3840248
They're both creepy.

One minute and two minutes figure drawings

It's not fair, I drew the upper body very quickly and I was happy. But I don't know what to do with that leg, I already tried many poses and they all look wrong because I have a weird perspective going on.

>>3840327

>>3840330
Bless you

>>3840325
God damn anon, nice work, especially mirin your 2mins. I'm currently doing a quickposes challenge precisely because I want to improve in this field, but lots of times I can't even finish a complete form within 2 mins. Can you give me some tips or perhaps resources I could look up if I'd like to improve to perhaps get closer to your skill lvl?

>>3840327
Are you gonna draw every royal knight? Keep it up, I want to see more.

Fuck proportions and forearms

Anyone care to post a bunch of sfw figures for me to draw when I wake up?

Also will quick figure drawing help me when/if I move to a more stylised cartoonie/animesque style?

>>3840529
Well, let's think it out. What is stylizing? Conforming something to a style. You need the "something" to stylize properly. In this case, it's the human body. Quick figure drawing sounds helpful for rote memory, since you'll be drawing a lot of these. Studying at least the basic anatomy and form will reify it even more, since it gives you more ground and concreteness for stylizing.
>Anyone care to post a bunch of sfw figures for me to draw when I wake up?
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing

>>3839266
Is that Frank Zappa?

>>3840545
Not bad. Switch to xerox paper though.

>>3839656
Thanks a lot !! it's always nice to learn more about perspective !

Just tried to paint in greyscale, any advices ? I usually start with colors.

>>3840050
This picture makes it seem like perspective is the most important fundamental skill, I've tiptoed around it in the past years because I never realy understood most of it.

Is there a more simple tutorial that teaches perspective without all the convoluted details?

>>3840572
>without all the convoluted details?
loomis is fine. the first half of successful drawing deals with the basics.

learning perspective is very methodical, but it's actually not that convoluted, you just have to take the time, be patient with yourself and do little exercises along with your studies. it's scary until you understand it, like learning some maths concept or a new language. just be patient with yourself.

i never draw male figures. does this looks like a male figure? sorry didnt draw the peen because i didnt want to and im not hands cause lazy

>>3840627
>i never draw male figures. does this looks like a male figure?
What do you think?

>>3840627
Sorry Anon, but your problems are not about whether or not this figure looks male.

>>3840627
Males do not have birth giving hips, but as >>3840639 said, that's the least of your problems.

>>3840627
anyone seen superjail when they had that meat man as a fighter>?

am i still beg tier?

>>3840642
what are the most of my problems. those hips arent that big.
>>3840639
what are they then?
>>3840637
i start drawing the figure the same i would do for a female then i was just looking at a couple quick refs to see whats different

>>3840649
>>3826978

>>3840650
>Anatomy
8 packs, hips too wide
>Proportions
Legs too short

>>3840650

This >>3840691 plus work on your lines, man. I figure you don't practice much?

>>3838968
Anyone got any resources/knowledge about how proportions change with different adults' heights?

>>3840691
>8 pack
kek i am actually this retarded. is that all?

>>3840649
Cringe and yes

>>3840699
i paint so i dont draw as much as i should.

>>3840702
Well, it looks stiff, but I'm guessing it's intentional. The hands though, are they meant to be like that? Check out pic related and http://www.anatomytools.com/images/atc/products/famfv3-1-6scale/famfv3-1-6scale_000.jpg Also check out the groin. I also feel like you're disregarding form when you're putting the surface anatomy lines. Like the calves and hips, makes them look flat.

>>3840717
its a model for a character design so hIs left hand is supposed to be closed and in front of his leg to show the back of his hand while the right is supposed have the forearm out. i always thought all neutral standing pose directly straight on looked stiff? or maybe im just a tard

>>3840724
well heres this

>>3840724
>its a model for a character design so hIs left hand is supposed to be closed and in front of his leg to show the back of his hand while the right is supposed have the forearm out
I see
> i always thought all neutral standing pose directly straight on looked stiff? or maybe im just a tard
That's pretty much why I guessed that it was intentional(other than the legs facing straight forward, they naturally face on the sides like in http://www.anatomytools.com/images/atc/products/famfv3-1-6scale/famfv3-1-6scale_000.jpg).).

>>3840727
The proportion between head, rib cage, and pelvis is bad.

>>3840727
Well, I think you should use more references and study anatomy at the side. Hampton's stuff is pretty good in my opinion-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4353W2Xqm0

>>3839159
>>3839266
>>3839782
>>3839805
>>3840176
>>3840248
>>3840649
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>>3840050

>>3840736
wat pic related, you guys are crazy sometimes.
>>3840729
>>3840737
i agree. this oic shows much more wrong like
>no adonis muscles
>bad lower leg anatomy in addition to proportions
>asymetrical
well thanks for the critique

>>3840748
oops

>>3840749
Checks out. You’ve made it, patron etc

>>3840749
You've drawn around the head making the head bigger than it actually is.

>>3840545
Just added some closure to the little story.

>>3840248
that's some fucking legs on Kiki :X
A, I would pick B you made her outer shirt longer... or shorter, but definitely looser

fix those legs

>>3838968 This assignment for my intro to painting class is due at in a few hours, what should I do to change or make better? Yes the shitty brown thing (couch) sucks, I was pressed for time

>>3840832
add detail to the couch? add shading/folds to the curtains? maybe drop-shadows?

is foreshortening just a type of distortion?

looking at some boxes and when they're foreshortened the vanishing points are very close to the box, doesn't that imply that they're distorted?

but then you can take a picture of a hand being pointed towards a camera and it will be heavily foreshortened, but not distorted?

help me no brain

>>3840849
Yeah, t's just a form of perspective distortion. Foreshortening just means that things are seen straight-on and the z-component (lines towards the vantage point) take up less space in your field of view.

>>3840140
okay neat but how do I learn to see WITHOUT looking like a complete dipshit wearing parts of a cereal box on my face?

>>3840869
You missed the point if you think you have to make the glasses.

>>3840858
thanks anon, that makes sense

>>3840849
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-history-basics/tools-understanding-art/v/what-is-foreshortening

>>3840081
thats way too advanced for you, try something easier, like a lot! easier

>>3840749
>idealised proportions

>>3840907
from the guide:
>So this is going to be your first task: build a set of two cardboard glasses.
>We will use these physical glasses as a learning aid.
>Don’t skip this!

I didn't post on /ic/ in a while, are the proportions good or is this fucked ?

>>3840985
Well, for starters, one arm is longer than the other.

>>3840985
body looks stretched/too long, try squishing it down and go from there

>>3840990
>>3841010
thanks, I'll fix that

>>3840985
lmao wtf

Don't know if this question is stupid. I'm doing the drawabox execises and right now I'm at the rotated boxes and it looks kinda failed. Should I to this exercise again after the 250 box challenge?

>>3841042
You just didn't grasp the concept yet, keep practicing. I recommend you to not just do this exercise all the time and draw some stuff for fun on the side, or you won't find enjoyment in this and will give up easily. I usually follow Hampton's advice and do these exercises as warm ups or when I'm daydreaming about stuff.

>>3841047
>You just didn't grasp the concept yet
thought so
> I recommend you to not just do this exercise all the time
that was the reason why I asked if I should move on and I did plan to use the 250 box challange as a warmup just as the other exercises. I only do solely the exercises when I don't know what I want to draw that day.
>or you won't find enjoyment in this and will give up easily
I actually do enjoy the exercises atm. It's nice to know what to do next day.

>>3840985
needs more cross contour lines

WHY IS PERSPECTIVE SO HARD
REEEEEEE

>>3841058
>that was the reason why I asked if I should move on and I did plan to use the 250 box challange as a warmup just as the other exercises

Do the exercise one more time but don't get too hung up on it, after that move on and keep doing the boxes as warm ups, the ideal is to keep doing them everyday even if just for 5 minutes

A tip I could give is to get a 3D modelling software and play with the primitives there just as a reference. I had a background in modelling and it made those exercises easier.

>I actually do enjoy the exercises atm
That's good, I enjoy doing them too, but it becomes boring after a while, but it seems that this isn't a problem for you since you're doing other stuff as well

>>3841078
Have you checked Scott Robertson stuff? The earlier exercises are not that hard

This is my first time drawing a girl's face since I'm not really confident in drawing anything remotely cute, how does the anatomy look? It took about 3-4 hours and obviously I've left a lot of it unfinished since I'm working on faces

>>3841081
Is the girl jewish?

>>3841078
What's hard about it?

>>3841081

Her skull looks too small, the neck should come from behind the ears in that angle, the right eye is a bit small, the mouth is out of perspective and the left nostril is too low

Look for Steve Huston lectures on the head, they're pretty helpful

>>3841086
Thanks anon, I'll look them up. I've got the basics of perspective down but I've not done too many faces before so I'm kind of just charging into it and trying to learn from my mistakes.

>>3841083
Can I just confirm that you're saying the nose looks too big

>>3841094
>Can I just confirm that you're saying the nose looks too big
Yes. Like the other anon said, take a looks at Huston's video, the 3h one on Youtube is pretty good

This is like my first painting ever and I'd like to know if there's anything extremely wrong with it before moving on to adding details.

>>3841079
>Do the exercise one more time but don't get too hung up on it, after that move on
okay!
>A tip I could give is to get a 3D modelling software
good tip!

Thank you anon!

>>3841102
Yes, read Loomis

If I'm still having troubles with symbol drawing should I still try and study loomis?

Well guys, I finally got to the point where I don't feel like my drawings are a complete waste of paper anymore so I got a better fancy sketchbook. Feels pretty cool I'm excited to draw in it. For a long time I would just draw on the back of old school papers and what-not and if i hated the drawing then it didn't matter cause I'm going to recycle it anyways. I think that feeling was actually kind of helpful earlier in my drawing days because it just let me draw more "freely" if that makes sense.

>>3841107
have you gone through keys to drawing yet?

>>3841110
No I haven't, is it in the sticky? I googled it, but just making sure I wasn't retarded and missed it in the sticky

>>3841112
Oh shit I'm retarded

>>3841094
>I'm kind of just charging into it and trying to learn from my mistakes
Good, that's the right attitude, keep it up anon

>>3841112
>>3841114
it's pretty good, good luck anon

>>3841102
ayyyyyyyy

>>3841081
ahh you were at my side all along

yes

Can someone tell me how the workflow for digital drawing looks like? I just started drawing somewhat seriously with a tablet and it seems I'm rather using the eraser to shape my lines.

>>3841241
There is nothing wrong with using the eraser.

Stop worrying about "workflow" when you're a beginner. Concentrate on developing line confidence and skill.

>>3841243
Jesus, my lines look like a fucking medieval woodcut.

How would I best go about getting better other than just doing the same stuff over and over?

This is what I fabricated in the last 20 minutes. Big one is the first try, small one the second. I'm basically chickenscratching and cleaning it up with the eraser. Am I doing something wrong here?

>>3841278

So how do I block out colors on the face?
Like, I understand the planes of the face and where shadows should end up, but how do I and more detail?

>>3841250
It's not just "draw the same thing over and over". It's focusing on what you're doing, and iterating on top of each step. Draw a LOT of things, a lot. Focus on the line quality, experiment, study what you did, try again.

If you pick up a guitar for the first time, does playing "Smoke On The Water" 10,000 times make you a great guitar player?

No. It's starting simple, and building onto that. That's why beginning drawing classes start out with simple shapes, and get more complex as the students skill and confidence grows.

You think your lines are poor quality. Now it's time to ask yourself, how do I improve them? What am I doing, that can change?

I'm learning to draw by doing construction (Draw-a-box) but I simply can't get better. It's total shit and I simply avoid adding details because it gets 1000x worse. I'm also doing shit on paper but it's basically the same quality.
21 years old and 0 artistic ability before I started.

>>3841376
JUST.

>>3841376
>>3841378
They look creepy af

Just finished this, it's from the Liar Princess game.
Any input?

>>3841395
It's good. I like it. Reminds me of Yukari Yakumo.
What do you think of this fairly quick sketch. It's Yuzuriha from UNIST.

Okay, I believe I've made some improvements. Anything more specific than "study more faggot" I need to be aware of?

>>3841397
leg Leg LEG

>>3841404
Study....more....gayboy
Nah stop painting and draw a lot more

>>3841369
Ok so I tried Shading But It just feels so soupy.

Somebody please right my wrongs

Guys I found a good quote from an anon on here "your first year of art should be doing what you like, ignore the dipshits who tell you to draw 1000 boxes or grind loomis nonstop"

>>3841380
I would suggest you not to be afraid to add details. Even if they look shitty at first because if you try and mimic details you'll have to interpretate the image you're taking as reference in a more complex and realistic way than when you try to make a simplistic figure which looks more like the symbol of the actual thing.

>>3841437
Not that anon, but how do I do that with human figures?

>>3841437
Interpret*
kuso

>>3841437
Right. Next time I'll be drawing reptiles and I promise I'll try to be more careful and add more details. I'll be honest and say that part of the reason I don't add details is because I don't have patience to waste, say, 2+ hours on a single drawing. Unfortunately I have lots of interests + university stuff, so I unfortunately have to deal with a tight schedule... but I'll see what I can do.

>>3841429
I bet your favorite pizza place is Comet Ping Pong

>>3841453
Absolutely based. Looks just like some creepy shit the Podestas would hang on their walls.

>>3840022
ur 2 nice

Are there any drawabox style courses for learning anatomy?

>>3841518
Literally Hampton.

>>3840050
Who's flintcocks?

Whats the best source for anatomy diagrams that also lists names of each major bones and muscles

>>3841454
>>3841453
This seems baseless and full of projection. Most of the art I found when I looked up the podesta family either has very young children portrayed in scary suggestive poses or bizzare childlike creatures.
>Pic related

My drawings are openly sexual in reference, but not dehumanizing. Nor are they portrayed as young children.

>>3841534
Some porn fag. Keep hitting ‘previous thread’ on the nsfw thread and you’ll see him post construction WIPs

>>3841539
It's a fucking joke, you fucking faggot.

doodlin at work during break

>>3841562

>>3841404
Blending isn't very good, unless that's intentional, in which case perfect I guess. Otherwise I've found out that in digital one should make their own brushes, or use specific settings that work the best for you. You are the arbiter of your style. You decide what kind of look you want, and design a brush for for it(a brush pattern or brush settings with the default round). I'm still trying to get better myself, it's very hard to get used to "seeing" what kind of gradation you want before you shotgun paint.

>>3841278
>>3841280
>Am I doing something wrong here?
You're not trying hard enough.

>>3841404
Values.

This is it, Master... This is my Last Encore

>>3841675
The weight carrying legs placement looks odd.

>>3841676
Please not that, I was never convinced on that leg. Looking at it finished maybe this was better

>>3841678
Looks as weird.

>>3838968
How do I get better at drawing circles?

>>3841678
Nah it's fine. It just looks like he's sliding towards the camera. If that's what you were going for then good job. (Looking at the cape, it's what you were going for.)

>>3841700
muscle memory and making sure to draw with an appropriate amount of arm (small circles can use just hand, but as the circle is bigger you should use wrist, elbow, and eventually shoulder).

Just some more messy figures. Some from "Fun with a Pencil" and some from my imagination. The purpose of this is to gain an idea of "form" and how figures work in 3D space, right? Any other comments would be good too.

1/3

>>3841824

>>3841824
>>3841825

>>3841827
Your work always seems rushed, like you are memeing the exercises. Maybe try a finished polished piece to better gauge what you should be studying

>>3841829
Like keep up the form work, but a finished piece will require more accuracy and will ground your accuracy a lot more. You’ll realise how subtle placing things in space becomes.

>>3841829
>>3841833
This is facts. I do tend to draw quickly. Do you mean that I should work on like a completed full piece, analyze the mistakes in that, then work on those mistakes? The thing I am worried about is the waist to chest connection, the stomach area. But things like that seem like specific anatomical things. Should I be looking into stuff like that at this stage? I appreciate the advice.

>>3841827
>>3841825
>>3841824
What pencil do you use?

>>3841835
Actually probably best to do life drawing. Draw some random objects around your house and try and construct them in such a way that it looks like what you are seeing. Any perspective intuition you can get will be helpful, the body has a bit too much going on to be helpful at this stage.

>>3841836
I think it's just the default brush in Photoshop with opacity pressure and size pressure on, the size is 4. I draw digitally, I don't know a ton about custom brushes or anything.
>>3841838
I typically try to draw a lot of basic shapes and do things at wonky perspectives, but if you feel that setting up objects in real life and attempting to draw them will help me, I will do that tomorrow.

Rough Sketches to get the design down but the 3/4 view is really fucking me up.

Any advice for getting my head around it? Just study the fuck out of spheres?

>>3841824
>>3841825
>>3841827
Turn off size pressure.

Can someone recommend a book or corse to get better. I abselutly hate natural way to draw as that book is fucking retarded. mostly cause the explanations are pissing me off. to much you need to feel this and that.


I want to get better I draw 2-3 hours every day mainly gesture drawings still

and I would be extremly happy if someone could give me directions or even mentor me.

Quick question: Is it okay to practice figure drawing just purely drawing from photo reference such as the ones featured on Quickposes, Line of Action, and etc? This would be obviously alongside studying the usual suspects (Loomis & co.) I ask this because my eyesight is not that great, and while using contact lenses outdoors, I need some sunglasses so... Yeah, is it possible to keep a good foundation that way?

>>3841889
Charles Bargue

>>3840701
Anyone?

Fun with a Pencil or Figure Drawing for beginner?

>>3841919
There's too much variability between people already. Taller people have longer legs and a thicker torse, but the torso only seems to scale in length a third as much as the legs. Tall people tend to have a higher center of gravity because of this. People are usually close to the same height when sitting until you get to extreme examples. You can't use heads to measure because some people have huge heads, so it's better to think in width and center of gravity but even then there's a lot of variability.

>>3841927
Thanks mate

work in progress

>>3841924
Fun with a Pencil or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

are a must for the ultimate beginner.

>>3841894
The problem with two-dimensional reference is that you can't really detect 3D shapes anymore and might be tempted to copy lines and angles sight-size instead of making your own 2D rendition of a 3D object.

I have no idea how to render, add shadow, light or texture. I want to improve. I have been working on this. What can I do?

>>3841957
use clipping masks or the equivalent in what you're using
look it up

>>3841957

>>3841957
Well unfortunately the way to improve is to focus on fundamentals before even thinking about values/colors.
Check perspective, anatomy and construction out first

So I traced an anime figure and tried to draw some realistic muscles that i know on top of it to see if it matches, Does this look correct?
Also are the legs really supposed to be this big compared to the body?

>>3841974
arm muscles are okay, torso muscles are horrible, legs may be that long in anime but in reality upper or lower leg is never longer than the torso.

I wasn't ready for this

>>3841991
You should stick with a construction sketch via lines instead of jumping right into shapes and colors.

>>3841965
What do they do?
>>3841967
Its almost like im some kind of beginner
>>3841969
I constantly study fundamentals but my digital art ends up as trash compared to my pen and paper drawings. Im using csp tho

>>3841991
looks like someone threw a small bag of soot in her face

>>3841991

>>3842017
>What do they do?
look it up

>>3841965
>>3842017
Got it, but how do you say this could help me at rendering, lighting and shadowing?

Am I doing something right?

>>3842048

the three on the top left have some appeal, not really much else to add. Watch jaw width on females I suppose.

>>3842048
post a finished piece and we can help you better

Tried doing a pose from imagination, how did i do?

>>3842142
>>3838968

>>3842182
? Is the head bad?

what's the most beginner friendly figure drawing course / book?

>>3842311
Keys to Drawing
Drawing for the Absolute and Utter Beginner

>>3841885
Why? That's how pens work in real life. You press harder to get thicker lines.

I hope they remake PArtners in Time so there are all the Mario and Luigi games with 3ds versions

>>3842339
>remaking the worst M&L

>>3842347
oops wrong tab but also its the best one

>>3840559
Things

>>3842674
messy but actually nice

>>3841936
Looks good so far but the eyes need fixing. Her right eye and brow are much larger than her left and they are both different shapes (obviously they won't look identical because of the angle of her face but they seem like they belong to different people).

What the hell am I actually supposed to be doing with Hampton's Figure Drawing Design and Invention? I figured I'd get taught how to do gesture and get exercises but the book just seems to be a bunch of tips .

i'm too scared to start

how shit is my anatomy?

>>3842820
there is no anatomy here

>>3842820
i could get off to it

>>3840050
what's wrong with the first third? is her torso too long?

How's this looking? I think the kicking pose idea is good but something might be off with the rotation of the torso. Any opinion helps.

FUCK ears seriously

>That part of Loomis where it starts getting racist

>The result is what is generally referred to as 'symbol drawing' - like the tendency to draw a house as a square with a triangle for a roof, and it's one of the many things we must unlearn.
>one of the core aspects of Drawabox is to learn how everything around us can be broken down into very simple, primitive components. Understanding which forms serve as the foundation for a given object, and how those forms are connected to each other in space gives us all the information we need to go on and reconstruct it on a page.

Why does everyone give this contradictory advice? Don't symbol draw, you have to draw what you actually see. Ohh but also break the object you wanna draw down into it's basic shape.

>>3843067
Is this bait? The thing with symbol drawing is that you can only draw it that way while knowing how it's formed allows you to rotate it and draw a house from any angle with its many details since you understand its construction.

I gave up doing Drawabox when it got to the part about textures because I don't give a fuck about textures, I give a fuck about understanding form. Should I go back?

There are so few colors. There's only like 6 fucking colors. Who thought this shit was a good idea?

finished my character. do you guys like him?

>>3842674
More things, but with less time.
>>3842678
Thanks !!

>>3843228
also why do pics come out so dark when posted compared to the .psd file

>>3843231
Maybe some rgb-cmyk shenanigans during export.

>>3843231
Because you're drawing a nigger.

new >>3843401

>>3842820
Not too bad.

>>3842820
4000x3000 kek

>>3842048
yeah you drawing, keep it up Sycra

Any tips how to construct good lookin feets?

>>3839809
Looks incredible, my personal taste would be smaller lips, but you done them well anyway so I can't complain

I'm still new to drawing, but how good is this drawing? It's the only one I've done that looks like what it's supposed to be, but I don't know why.

how did I Do anons? I think I overendered this study desu.

>>3844237
well I hope it did not take you 4 fucking hours this time
post your ref

>>3844244
I made the torso shorter because it seemed wayyyy too long.

>>3844244
I think I rendered the right leg and some parts of the torso pretty realistically.

>>3844245
>>3844237
just post them in new beg thread

>>3844250
This is the beg thread?

>>3844244
Oh I think this took me like 2-3 hours, wasn't really keeping track of time. And I took a few breaks so my wrist didn't cramp up too much.

Been at it for a few weeks now. I can see most of the problems with it and I'm not really happy with how this one turned out but it's still better than my previous ones.

I think I should start smaller rather than going for full body shots. Just a hand, or a face, or a bust, maybe. What do you guys think?

>>3844508
This is the reference I used.

>>3844508
Yup start smaller. Also get yourself some figure drawing and anatomy books/videos.

Hows this wip? I draw on and off and this is a blatant reference with a peach head drawn on top. Feel like i should've taken an easier reference first.

Criticism please, don't hold back.

Criticism please, don't hold back.

>>3844763
her breasts defy gravity.