/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3837872
>Is there any way to make this process any less tedious?
No, the only answer is that you have suck it up to get used to it.

take a break from her and work on the other characters?

>>3837872
go to >>>/fa/ and draw her with different sets of clothes

>>3837872
>but I find that drawing the same character multiple times in a row is tiresome and annoying.
Then you're not cut out for making stories.
Everyone likes the idea of having their own original stories with fleshed out characters but most people hate the idea of actually putting in the effort and making it.
Here's a little reality check for you, you're not special, your character isn't special and the story you've built for her isn't special.
Want to prove me wrong? Okay then, get off your ass and make that story, bitch. Until then, you're another "ideas guy" who's "totally different from the rest" .

>>3837872
>but I find that drawing the same character multiple times in a row is tiresome and annoying.
Then you're not cut out for making stories.
Everyone likes the idea of having their own original stories with fleshed out characters but most people hate the idea of actually putting in the effort and making it.
Here's a little reality check for you, you're not special, your character isn't special and the story you've built for her isn't special.
Want to prove me wrong? Okay then, get off your ass and make that story, bitch. Until then, you're just another "ideas guy" who's "totally different from the rest" .

>>3837872
retard

>>3837872
but working out the expressions and body language and acting is fun! why would you draw if its not fun

>>3837872
Don't you have other characters? If you're fed up just draw other panels where the character isn't in it or when a other character is in the same panel draw the other character.

>>3837985
Subjective

>>3837891
You're 100% right but don't post Undertale faggotry next time.

>>3837872
make your character the embodiment of your fetishes.

>>3838011
Undertalefags are a blight on this site. They worm their way into every fucking discussion I swear. Gas them all.

>>3837872
Stop being lazy

>>3837872
focus and simplify until your shit looks like Steven universe - then its easy to redraw it a million times

>>3837872
Forget your great ideas or put the work in scum.
the crabs were right all along.

Are you drawing your characters from different POVs within shots?

>>3837872
then find an artist, and you just write the story

>>3837891
>Then you're not cut out for making stories
Stop with this stupid, pretentious shit. So sick of seeing it. I had the same shit said to me when I didn't enjoy drawing because I was bad, but only because it's not fun being bad, yet here I am doing it still. It's such a loaded sentence and it gets repeated in different variations nearly everyday here by people who are more serious about something that isn't that serious than they need to be. It's not that deep. It's cringy, and implies the person isn't just not liking the process of a specific thing.

Unless you're saying this to motivate the artist out of spite, get off your pedestal, retard.

>>3837872
>Unfortunately drawing the same character over and over is necessary for character development and story telling.

What? Drawing characters repeatedly has absolutely nothing to do with writing, drawing the same character over and over again is just necessary for actually being able to draw them consistently for a comic/manga. I think you got things confused there.

Also there’s no way around it. If you wanna tell your story with drawings then you have to do this.

>>3837872
'Boring' is a pretty unspecific term. Could you put a little more effort into figuring out what your problem is?

Is your character's design just not interesting/appealing? Are you always drawing your character from the same perspective? Is your character always in the same pose? Are they always wearing the same clothes? Do they always have the same expression?Do you like to draw?

>>3837872
are you a fucking moron have you ever heard of light novels you can draw as little as you want now there go be stupid somewhere else

>>3838369
>It's such a loaded sentence and it gets repeated in different variations nearly everyday here by people who are more serious about something that isn't that serious than they need to be.
>people who are more serious about something that isn't that serious than they need to be.

Good job proving his point by complaining about people who know more about being a serious artist than you do.

>>3838477
No, I meant serious in a manner of it being a black and white thing for them. They assume if you dislike one thing about art that you shouldn't do art, which is fucking retarded. Do you understand that overly serious =/= hard working?

They treat like a gatekeeping service. If you don't literally like every experience in art you're not cut out for it. It's pretentious and over-exaggerated drivel.

>>3838484
>overly serious =/= hard working
Sooner or later your going to have to hold your self to some level of accountability . Your views sound like you're stuck in a delusional cycle made to keep you in your comfort zone. There are a lot of arrogant people in the art world but I wouldn't call their opinions drivel. Time to face the music anon.

>>3838011
It's relevant because Toby Fox is actually somebody who went out there and made his ambition a reality while most people like him would just sit around and daydream.

>>3838498
Another idiot making assumptions of another based on their preconceived notions of an already faulty outlook.
You can't see this conversation in any way other than what it's presented to you. You're taking 'overly serious' in a different context and it's fucking annoying because you're too stupid to understand how wrong you have it. So stubborn and unable to reason.

If you listened to what I said instead of focusing on one thing I said and arguing a point that I already established we're not arguing about, you would not come to the ignorant conclusion you did you dense fuck.
I SAID that I called him overly serious because he's saying that someone not liking one aspect of drawing means it isn't meant for them NOT ANYTHING about being overly serious about art in terms of improving you stupid fuck, the two have nothing to do with each other. These are entirely different arguments but you're so fucking dumb that you will continue to argue about something irrelevant to the conversation.

>>3838498
Christ, your reading comprehension is garbage.

>>3838011
That's right, I posted Undertale and made a 100% right comment. What are you going to do about it, you petty faggot?
It's relevant because like it or not, Toby Fox is actually somebody who went out there and made his ambition a reality while most people like him would just sit around and daydream, like OP.

>>3838498
It's like you didn't even read the post you're replying to.

>>3838498
>Derailing the thread
At least have the decency to exaggerate how dense you are so I can tell if you're trolling or not so I can know whether to call you retarded.

You're even derailing your derail. That's an achievement.

>>3838507
>>3838513
>>3838520
>>3838506
poor samefag
I assumed nothing, I simply don't see the arguments as being separated from each other . Overly serious isn't up for interpretation, I agree with the argument you termed as dumb, now it's up to you to find your own solutions that aren't "dumb" and continuing drawing, or you could stay hear in your meaningless thread and argue all day and get absolutely no gains or progress in your story.

>>3838498
>Your views sound like you're stuck in a delusional cycle made to keep you in your comfort zone.
Saying 'just because you dont enjoy small parts of art doesnt mean youre not cut out for it' means someones stuck in a delusional cycle made to keep them in their comfort zone
Schizophrenia at work

OP here. Undertale fag is right. Stop arguing with him.


Thanks for that reality check dude.

>>3838524
I'm not OP. Ask first, faggot.
>Overly serious isn't up for interpretation
What the fuck are you on about? Do you understand that terms can be used in specific contexts and not apply to all forms of the topic at hand? Can you brain not comprehend this?

>or you could stay hear in your meaningless thread and argue all day and get absolutely no gains or progress in your story.
There are multiple people in this thread retard. If you think someone is OP, try making sure of that before you make assumptions of the people you're arguing with to 'win'.

>>3838527
Shut up retard. We're not arguing about your lazy ass. This is an entirely different thing.

>>3838535
>try making sure
>doesn't post a screencap
give it a rest dude

>>3838524
>s-s-samefag
>I'm never incorrect

>>3838542
Uhuh...

>>3838527
"Undertale fag" here. I'm not part of this current back-and-forth that's happening right now, if that's what some people are thinking, that's somebody else.
But yeah I hope there were no hard feelings, I just wanted to motivate you in my original post.

>>3837872
"I want to be a bestselling novelist, but I hate writing. What do?"

What are we supposed to tell you? If you don't like doing it, then it's probably something you shouldn't do. Or hire someone to do for you.

>>3838527
Why are you telling us to stop arguing as if we're arguing about you? The topic is about the idea of 'not being cut out for it' because you don't enjoy one aspect of something. Not sure what your objection is supposed to mean if the only part you had in the conversation is being the catalyst for the retarded statement that started the argument.
Otherwise your interjection and ruling is kind of meaningless.

Either way this argument is pointless so I'll see myself out and go practice.
>>3838555
Is it really that hard to understand that you can dislike one thing but still want to do the overall project? Is it that hard to get through that skull of yours without it interpreting any small negative observation that has to do with art as someone not enjoying art at all?
Where does this dumbass outlook come from? If someone loves skiing but isn't a fan of extremely cold weather, do you think they aren't cut out for it? I've never heard so many retarded interpretations in one thread.

>>3837872
>lowest effort
Don't draw any characters on some pages. Just black and white backgrounds made from google image search photos of city street with text boxes and no characters on the page.
>very low effort
re-use drawings multiple times to show a repeating sequence of daily routines with minor differences. Spend time drawing the main places your character hangs out and just re use drawings of her in that room. Silhouettes/facing away from camera, 3/4 view.
>low effort
plan the pose's better. Pose so you only have to redraw the arm or face to convey movement. Frame the shot to hide parts you don't like drawing such as hands/legs.
>higher effort
make a 3d model based on your 2d design and focus on posing her. You'll end up with a puppet you can render and draw details on top of. Manga artists like this method.
>ren and stimpy method
Draw your character really differently in every drawing so its enjoyable to draw her. Change outfits/hairstyles/facial expressions when you get bored. If you're tired of the character the audience probably is too so change things up.

>>3838564
>Is it really that hard to understand that you can dislike one thing but still want to do the overall project?

And is it so hard to understand that if you don't like doing something, you won't produce anything of value?

My "dumbass outlook" is from having a degree in art, working as a professional illustrator for longer than you've been alive, and painting and drawing longer than that, thanks for asking.

And, no, I'm not going to show you my work, because my point doesn't require it.

There's a reason why creative positions exist, for coming up with ideas, and having others flesh them out. But if you'd rather be angry because we won't pat you on the head and give you the SOOPER SEKRET TO ART that will magically make you enjoy the process, hey, you do you, and I won't waste any more time on someone as childish as you. There are people here honestly trying to be artists, not looking for shortcuts and validation for being lazy.

>>3838605
>And is it so hard to understand that if you don't like doing something, you won't produce anything of value?
You made the assumption that the person above doesn't enjoy art because they don't like drawing a character over and over again. A tedious and boring task to them, when they could enjoy other things in art. Suddenly, that one thing they don't enjoy means they don't like art? Grow up.

>My "dumbass outlook" is from having a degree in art
Congrats? Completely meaningless.
>working as a professional illustrator for longer than you've been alive, and painting and drawing longer than that, thanks for asking.
Do you want me to pretend like I care? How is any of this relevant you dumb pretentious fuck?
>And, no, I'm not going to show you my work, because my point doesn't require it.
O... K... Again, I'm wondering if you want me to pretend I care, or what?

>There's a reason why creative positions exist
Wow, crazy! Really???
>But if you'd rather be angry because we won't pat you on the head and give you the SOOPER SEKRET TO ART
What does this have to do with anything? Are you a schizo?
>I won't waste any more time on someone as childish as you.
Thanks for informing me, as if I know you or am even invested in what you have to say. You're just babbling on and you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Congrats on the degree, too bad it has nothing to do with understanding that you can enjoy art while also disliking 1 or 2 things.
>There are people here honestly trying to be artists, not looking for shortcuts and validation for being lazy.
And?

>>3838605
The fact that you need to bring up credentials to prove your point shows that you have no idea what my point is at all, but ok. Go suck yourself off when no one asked in another thread. Try at least reading what the point is before droning about about pointless, useless, irrelevant shit.
If you're already misinterpreting this early I have no intentions of keeping up a conversation with you. So I'm not sure why you're saying you don't want to waste your time. You're batshit.

>>3837872
Post what you have done so far. If your character isn’t an anime girl standing there with her hands hidden I will be surprised.

>>3838605
>Been drawing for 6 years
>Hated grinding
>Grinded anyway
According to you I am incompatible with drawing, and yet here I am? Funny when people think they know what they're talking about when they have a useless degree.

>>3838632
>>3838636
To be clear these are both me. I just realized I had more to say after I posted but it looks like I'm trying to samefag.

ITT: If you hate tedious and boring tasks in a hobby you usually have fun in and otherwise enjoy, you don't enjoy art and should quit. Because my art degree and experience that has nothing to do with the topic at hand said so.

>>3838632
Blah blah blah, good to know you're not worth wasting (you)s on, I'll focus on people actually trying to learn art.

>>3838654
And? What have you accomplished in 6 years? That's enough time to earn a Master's degree in painting, have you advanced beyond "grinding"? Have you been published? Hired for art in any way?

Just putting in hours won't make you an artist. Some aren't ever going to be one, or will pursue it as a hobby (which is fine). But anyone who hates drawing? Not going to be one, not professionally, anyway.

And, it's besides the point. But I can see too many of you are triggered over the simple concept of "If you don't like doing it, you won't succeed", but then, I have to remind myself where I am.

>>3838726
>>3838731
I wasn't arguing about succeeding in art you stupid fuck. I was arguing over whether disliking a single things means you shouldn't do art, but your ego is too inflated to understand that so you resort to talking about credentials no one gives a shit about, as it's not relevant to the conversation. It doesn't make you any more right. You're diverting from the topic and bragging every time you can about what you have done, as if anyone here cares or will even remember you after the few seconds they read your babbling. You're saying absolutely nothing.

We know these things but you're a fucking idiot and you keep talking about something that I'm not talking about.

>>3838731
>But I can see too many of you are triggered over the simple concept of "If you don't like doing it, you won't succeed"
lol
Someone must be arguing with themselves. Arguing about two entirely different topics and then jerking yourself off on the strawman you keep making. I hate the pretentious fucks in this place. Hilarious seeing someone being proud of an art degree. I'm stable with my art and never needed to go to school.
I swear I never fail to see a self-important art-douche. It's like the two go hand in hand. The retards think they're gods as they waste money and time doing shit that could be done themselves.

>>3838762

>>3838731
>"I succeeded in art while not liking grinding"
>omg dude i have an art degree, DID YOU KNOW IF U DONT LIKE DOING ART U WONT SUCEED IN DOING ART?????????
>"But me not liking grinding doesn't mean I don't like art. I just don't like grinding."
>I HAVE AN ART DEGREE AND HAVE BEEN DRAWING FOR 6 YEEAAARRS, I KNOW THESE THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

ITT: Retard doesn't know the difference between disliking an aspect in art and disliking art. B-but he has an art degree?

>>3838731
Yes, I succeeded. Is that enough to refute your stupid point that not enjoying something tedious doesn't mean you're not cut out for art and just that you don't enjoy doing that specific thing? Do you think there aren't artists that have not enjoyed working on anatomy but did it anyway?
So naive.
If you don't think many artists have things they don't like about art you're delusional. There may be people who enjoy everything but enjoying drawing the same character repeatedly is not on the list of things that determine the outcome of whether you're successful. I'm an animator and I don't enjoy the process of studying characters I need to draw, and yet I do it and am successful working at a relatively medium-sized studio.

You're talking out of your ass. Please get off of your high horse and stop putting your art degree on a pedestal. It's making me wince.