/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3835955
During summer break i had so much time to draw and I made use of it but now I'm back at uni the idea of it cutting into art time is stressing me out. I feel very gutted.

>>3835961
Just know that you won't make it and you never worry about it ever again. Works 10/10 times. Still get to draw and without pressure now.

>>3835961
It may cut into your art time compaired to summer break but think of summer break time as a bonus to the normal time you use. Not that much of a help but perspective is good to have at least.

Nobody cares about your problems, everyone else is pulling their own weight and the last thing someone needs is the shit from others. In other words, fuck off.

>>3835955
yo is that ryan gary

>>3835973
gary?

>>3835968
t.insecure baby with issues they are too afraid to deal with

>>3835975
that you drac? you have to tell me if it is

>>3835977
I'm not Drac just a fan of drac/NL

>>3835980
hell yeah brother kkona

>>3835981
Hell yeah

>>3835981
>>3835989
This is a gul-dan thread, boyos

>>3835955
>tfw u post to twitter and immediately lose 3 followers.

>>3836000
>000
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>>3835953
I don't usely draw nsfw stuff. I just redraw anything I see to map out body porportions(in that case it was an h panel, for everyone not javing cloths in the way). I don't normaly have intentions of finishing them so this is a bit sketchy. Thanks for the feedback though.

>>3835955
>years of doing nothing
>fuck that shit, lets get started
>draw or read art learning stuff 2-4 hours ever evening
>3 weeks in drawing hand starts hurting
>go to doctor, get told that i need to do less hand stuff in my free time since work related stuff already puts a lot of burden on my tendons in my hand
>if i dont gear it back, there will be permanent damage
Fucking fuck. Fuuuuuck.

>>3836042
>Trying to become an Electrician
Fuck, why did you have to do me like that.

>>3836042
>listening to doctors
what do they know

i know i have more technical skill then the majority of artists i interact with, but they always have bigger followings. dunno what im doing wrong.

>>3836042
RIP

I'm losing motivation and I can't really stop it.

>>3836056
Maybe their art is more appealing?

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>>3836061

Fuck off with your safe space

>>3836065
Its funny you got mad over the term even though this is literally not a safe space and it was used ironically lol

>>3836061
Why are you losing motivation?

>>3836065
>>3835968
>Give me attedshun, yaaayyyyyy!

>>3836062
probably. all i really post is studies/original work/commissions. don't see the point in doing fanart/art for other artists, that's what a pandering bitch does

>>3836065

>>3836065
(You)

>>3836067
It's just something that happens every time I've been drawing or animating for longer than a year. I periodically stop. It gives time to others to get better than me and I hate that I can't control it.

>>3836070
Making fanart is being a pandering bitch? Its pandering to draw something you like?

>>3836073
There are tons of people getting better at all times at different speeds

>>3836076
waste of time that could be used on drawings that get me money or hone my skills

>>3836077
I get that but this is me holding myself back knowingly. It doesn't mean I want to be surpassed by my peers since we have sort of a rivalry going on.
I also hate the idea of losing out on practice time and I usually quit for 1 or 2 years at a time. I have no idea how I can maintain it. It happens every time and the outcome is always the same.

>>3836078
So instead of pandering to yourself you are just in it for the money
You can improve with fanart you know

>>3836079
Do you keep burning yourself out?

Is coloring and painting made to make you want to kill yourself? Painting is pretty straightforward but coloring is just all around cancer. I feel so lost. Makes my head spin.

>>3836081
maybe i will do some studies from anime screenshots or smthing, to rake in the weeb crowd while i flex my chad painting skills

>>3836085
Post some work I wanna see

>>3836083
I'm not the type of guy to grind. It's usually me leisurely having fun with it, though I do practice a lot. I usually draw or animate when I'm in the mood so that doesn't seem possible.

I would chalk it up to my terrible eating habits, but they're terrible all-year-round so it doesn't explain the fluctuations. Though it probably is 100% the reason. I started drinking water and during that time my time drawing shot up by a lot. Same when I turned my internet off.
If I cut sugar out of my diet, I'll probably see an upturn in motivation, but it just doesn't seem realistic, seeing as I'm living under someone's roof without a job (Plan on getting one) and eat what they give me, which is very unhealthy. I'm addicted to sugar and I've tried several times to stop eating it but every single time I've failed.

Then again there are people who eat like shit and are always motivated to draw. Though that doesn't mean there isn't some semblance of influence in there.
Do you think that could be my problem?

>>3836087
finished this today

>>3836090
Sugar problems/eating/health problems can effect mood, etc so that could possibly be it. Maybe try to at least cut down on the sugar a little bit if you can. Cutting it out cold turkey is impossible without extremely godly willpower. At the very least drinking ore water will help if thats not possible. (It effects the same types of things)
Do you have diabetes? That can make you more tired (less motivated) as well
>>3836092
Pretty good anon. Still I want to know why you think fanart is pandering really? Also people make art for other artists because they like something they made and or are friends with them.

>>3836042
Look into stem cell therapy bruv.

>>3836093
people make fanart because it allows them to nudge in on a pre-existing audience. its a safe way to slowly gain a following. i don't want people to like my art just bc im drawing something from an anime or cartoon they watch. its unrewarding, you know no one is actually looking at what you're making for your skill or your ideas.

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>>3836099
Some (very few) people might but most people who make fan art are not making it to farm an audience. They are making it because they like making art related to the thing.

>>3836108
realistically, yeah. im just pissy cause i dont wanna draw fanart, but i DO crave the attention of strangers on the internet

>>3836092
neat anon

>>3836092
Looks good and I like it, but I think for some people it just looks nice and this is why they don't follow you.
>>3836099
Fanart alone doesn't guaranty a great following though. You've to draw somewhat pleasing or when your art is shit have a sense of humor.

>>3836109
Me too anon, me too
for real post on local facebook groups offering to do portraits for people in your painting style of people and or their pets and you will make bank even if its digital and printed. If you can do it on a canvas by hand be prepaired to use $100 bills as cum tissues. People eat that shit up as presents for birthdays/holidays. Normies love paintings of their pets/loved ones.

>>3835955
>83
>dead tired
>need to stay up or ill be dead tired tomorow
>wanna draw
>cant think and my hands hurt
save me

>>3836120
You are 83 years old?

>>3836120
>83
Now I'm interested in your work

>>3836120
Go to bed grandpa

>>3836120
topkek

I can't do realistic artwork from imagination because faces end up looking like mines ahhhh I hate that.

>>3836230
I don't have this problem anymore. Have you been using your body for reference over time?
I hate how I look, from my flat hands to my own face, so I purposely avoided drawing things that look like me for years and never used myself as ref.

>>3836000
It's the same reason why new popular Youtube videos only have 300 views but 1k likes, you're not losing followers, the count is just updating properly and you posting something is triggering it.

>>3836232
No, never. But it always happens when I try from imagination.

>>3836243
I mean what helped me fix that was to systematically scrap the part that looked like me entirely and start over using refs, then again from imagination.

>>3835955
>safe space

ngmi

>>3836252
Not a safe space, retard. It's a vent thread. You can criticize people here just as much as you can on the rest of the board. Go whine in the vent thread. Oh wait.

>>3836257
>safe space

>Not a safe space, retard

yappari ngmi

>>3836258
>Asian reaction pic weeb poster
ngmi

>>3836258
>gets told the difference between muh hugbox and the occasional vent thread
>harr harr ngmi-kun you're notto gona make ittu
pls go back to /jp/

>>3836262
>>3836273

>>Being this triggered in a safe space

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>>3836273
you lack basic reading comprehension skills. holy shit you're an absolute braindead moron look at what people you're replying to have said for once.

>>3836274
Whatever you say anon

>>3836279
What is there to look at, exactly? He's just blindly calling it a safe-space when the definition of a safe-space is to get away from negative comments. Nowhere does it say you can't be negative, and no one will stop you. Is there something I'm missing or do you want me to give you more time to think up another bullshit reason to dislike these threads?

>>3836120
did you go to bed yet? Are you dead tired?

>>3836252
>>3836066
noticw hoq the post im replying to was removed because they realized how stupid they were

>>3836282
They got caught getting mad at a word so they tried to damage control

>>3836092
nice skill, but nothing special about it. also subject matter looks like you just picked some random twitter camwhore.

my neighbors have a (what I can only assume is autistic) toddler that communicates its feelings and wants through nothing but wordless, ear-splitting shrieks
even earmuffs designed for drowning out the sounds of the fucking gun range don't drown out the noise this kid makes
I haven't gotten good work done in my home in over a month
at best I can get some sketching done while I'm out during the day but once I'm home, work stops altogether because of mommy's little miracle

>>3836595
Report the noise to a landlord (if you have one)

Anybody who takes part in #artvsartist is a scummy attention whore who should get hit by a bus full of AIDS.

>>3836603
it's easy to forget, but most artists are pretty big normalfags anon and all normalfags are attentionwhores. that's why socialmedia is so successful, it plays to the inherent narcissism in people and they'll give up just about anything to satiate that even when they know it's making them miserable.
>>3836230
are you cute tho?
>>3836092
pretty sure i recognize your style. you have a decent foundation but you really need to work on your edges and try to put more intention behind them. try experimenting with different edge treatments over the top of your images & also emulate better artists. you also need to push your value ranges more because as it stands you basically have a bunch of adequately drawn blobs of accurate color but nothing that really feels like it has that final layer of presentation. most importantly, stop setting the bar so low for yourself, don't compare yourself to other amateurs; they don't matter and being 'better' than them wont translate into views or money. you need to hold your work to the same standard as the big guns and polish up your weaknesses accordingly.

>>3836598
I did, and was given a copy-pasted response about appropriate noise levels in student housing
yes, student housing, the place with rules for noise levels so students can get their shit done without being bothered by other people
so I replied and said yes, I know the rules, but this kid is so loud sometimes I can barely hear myself think
I wasn't rude, didn't curse, didn't use the email to vent how fucking frustrating all this shrieking bullshit is
just asked if someone could maybe talk to the parents and let them know just how much the sound of their child travels in the stairwell and through the walls/vents
because at least one of the parents of this kid must be a student too, and it's got to be difficult for them to handle this while trying to get their own schoolwork done
no reply though, think maybe I'm on some sort of blacklist with the housing office now
seriously considering renting office/studio space somewhere just so I can work without interruption

>>3836619
sorry anon I feel for ya. Hopefully the kid stops soon.

>>3836619
maybe try a note on their door or something to that effect, it'll only work if they're not assholes but it's worth a shot

how to cope when you find out that there's a 14 year old russian girl who draws what you want to draw but she's miles better than what you will ever be?

>>3836696
kidnap her and steal her art gains

>>3836696
Anon... Get over yourself. There will always, and I mean always be someone that's younger, better, clever, or more successful than you. And there'll always be a different set of circumstances surrounding their lives too. Maybe this girl you're jealous of will get bored of art as so many young prodigies do? Maybe she'll die next year? Maybe she'll stagnate for all her life? It's not you. The sooner you accept it, the sooner you'll be back on the path of self-betterment and improvement.

given the speed at which visual deep learning is developing I'm seriously considering cutting my losses and putting drawing on the back burner in favor of learning how2tech so I can ride the ai-assisted art creation wave when the time comes

>sketch looks good
>paint it
>looks bad
I have no idea. I just do not understand why this fucking happens.

>>3836858
Just don’t pick both, you’ll spread yourself too thin. Also, by the time the tech is mature, someone will wrap the GANs into something easy to use, and artists will end up using it better.

>>3837047
the idea of art simply being turned into a glorified character creator just sounds really fucking boring desu

>>3837074
Luckily it won’t happen

>>3835968
youre doing fine nep, dont give up and keep going

>>3836696
eat her brain and youll gain her abilities

>>3835955
Ive grown in the technical sense immensely over the past 2 years, and i am very happy with my progress and what i can do, but i have no ideas to execute and it drives me crazy

This is where losers whine about their pathetic lives? This board needs to be cleansed.

>>3835955
Are you the same OP with that godawful work from the last thread

>>3836092
Okay I'll bite. What's your blog ?

>>3836603
This and hashtags representing a certain race like blackartists or artistsofSEA. Don't get me wrong, I'm a "pee oh cee" myself but i dont like to flaunt my nationality for the sake of brownie points

I just really love cel shading, guys. I know it's a meme on here but I love it.

>>3837043
For me it's the other way around. My sketch will look shitty but I'll end up liking the end result once it's all painting. But this hurts too because when I have a shitty sketch I assume that the end result will also be shitty and give up before I can actually see the end result.

>>3837134
What the fuck does POC even imply? Is it just black people or do asians count too? I don't think purely going off skin color is a good way to identify minorities, if that makes sense.

>>3837224
I fucking suck at cel shading. If you're happy with it, I'd say keep going. But don't forget to try out other shading methods.

Today I was too fucking depressed and sleep deprived to draw. My depression is coming back. I will have to go to a shrink again and take zombie medicines that will kill me inside and I will stop drawing again. I don't want to go through this ordeal again.

>>3837229
heh, just embrace the depression though? meds are trash. depression is a god tier existence mode.

>>3837260
>depression is a god tier existence mode.

>Art discord
>For art criticism
>Post art
>Only get vague "Pretty!!!" compliments

Damn it.

>>3837279
What do you expect when you post in your style and don't want to be offended?

>>3837282
Elaborate?

>>3837226
>But don't forget to try out other shading methods
Oh yeah of course, I don't want to just rely on one method like a crutch.

>getting better at drawing but then feeling like you want to give up everything

I'm pretty sure I love drawing, what the fuck is happening? I'm so scared of going back to a place where I have no goal.

>>3837306
You could try taking a little short break, it might just be burnout depending on how much you draw. If you do take a break then make sure you have some sort of time set where you'll make yourself start up again because then you might end up procrastinating a ton.

>>3837329
Thanks. Not sure if that's the solution for me tho, I actually don't draw that much. Maybe 3-4 hours a day? I could draw more but I procrastinate a lot already.

I find it annoying how I post anime crap in /beg asking for help, yet no one wants to respond like wtf. People will help each other on realism stuff but they just ignore anime. I don't wanna post on the anime thread because i'm too shitty to be there.

>stop drawing for three days
>come back and try to draw
>feel like I can't draw at all now
Why does it have to be like this

Still waiting on that red bubble reply

>>3837226
I think poc means just non-white, including asians

>>3837260
dude, you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>3837260
>just embrace the depression
>depression is a god tier existence mode
I hope you realize that severe depression means suicide?

>>3837260

>>3837260
>just embrace the depression though? meds are trash. depression is a god tier existence mode.
>god tier existence
>kys to be with god

>>3835955
>Lost all my researched and hard-worked brushes in windows reinstall
WHY DID YOU NOT SERIALIZE THEM PHOTOSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

>>3837260
Everyone replying all butthurt don't realize that antidepressants actually raise the chance of suicide

>>3837853
>He needs custom brushes
>not making beautiful art with what adobe graciously provides

I've always wanted to draw things for people in draw threads because I know it makes them happy but I know I'll never be good enough to satisfy them. I don't evenknow how to begin drawing and I can't afford good supplies. I don't know what to do with my life.

>>3838033
Better just do odd request on other places those fucks at draw threads are just ungrateful bastards

>>3837863
>don't realize that antidepressants actually raise the chance of suicide
This. Don't people read side effects of stuff? Just try eat more stuff with omega-3 fatty acids, before you take antidepressants. There are studies that say it helps against depression.

I have a shitty self destructive personality and I've lost many chances to get commissions, followers, friends, etc. because I keep sabotaging myself.

>>3837863
>duh you guys are butthurt that I just posted some of the most retarded shit they've ever read on the Internet
Being depressed feels like shit and turns you into a subhuman. It's the lowest of low existence mode and anyone pretending the opposite isn't depressive or hasn't been around a great deal of depressed people.

>>3838048
Or they are very deep in it and are trying to pretend they don't want to not be depressed because they are scared and trying to cope. Seriously it's not a fun way to live.

>>3838041
There's a lot of things that people can change but I think the biggest causes are loneliness and stagnation

>>3838048
First of all that wasn't me, second I was defending the post from the aspect that it was rightfully trashing anti-depressants, thirdly the post obviously wasn't serious, I would guess that the poster is engaging in some tongue-in-cheek coping for his own depression. Lastly depression does have the benefit of introspection caused by discontent that can lead to self-improvement

>>3837445
I submitted a second request after a few days and that one still isnt responded to either. The website said these requests might take a little longer than the usual 4 hour respond time. It has been like 5 days now.

>>3835955
Why continue making art when AI is catching up to human abilities?

>>3838127
It wont be near it truly for many many years. Then there will still be the novelty of human art.

>>3838042
Cluster B?

>>3838127
>Why continue making art when AI is catching up to human abilities?
It's fun to draw, it's like solving a puzzle. People still have fun with board games even though the computer is invincible at many of them. Why do people come to /ic/ when they don't even enjoy drawing is my question

>>3838127
Because no matter what you try to do sooner later the bots are going to come and ass rape you into obsolescence anyway.

There's no escape, so you should at least try to enjoy yourself while you still can.

>>3838171
>play video games or watch anime and want to learn to draw
>try it
>oh shit it’s actually difficult

>>3838127
Why bother making that post when hundreds of bots do the same on our site every day?

>>3838127
not really though, make stuff ai cant make, problem solved. you have another 10-15 years.

>Art suddenly started looking really bad
>Gains aren’t coming back
Please no

>why do you draw, anon?

I don't even know anymore, man

>>3838033
In my experience, guys at a v co and trash are mostly a bunch of ungrateful faggots. People at cm and tg are pretty chill to draw with

My feelings of inadequacy and general mood make art feel more like an exercise in self abuse, this further feeds the former. I've been avoiding ic because the people here have actual talent.

>>3838254
This. If you’re not drawing multiple hours a day consistently you’re just straight up hosed.

>>3838763
There's a way to counteract this, although it seems people do it without knowing it.

>>3838496
relatable

>>3838769
Care to elaborate

i get halfway through a drawing and I think im making progress, then I get to the end and I realize I jsut drew a massive fuckin' turd

>>3838028
>He doesn't like efficiency

>>3838107
Should I send another?

>see someone only draw weapons from destiny
>in two years, he's amazing
Fuck this.

>>3835955
last weekend was my first time inwas asked to hang some stuff up at an expo, and i, dead ass, forgot to take any pictures of it.

ngmi

>>3838992
Link, I wanna see destiny weapons gains

Everyone keeps calling my characters Shaggy.

>>3839059
nice shaggy

>>3838763
That’s what I did though and I still hit this slump where everything looks like dogshit. I think it just happens sometimes.

>>3839059
The comic is funny

>be me, be preddy gud as a kid
>become "that azn art person" in my school through my teens
>get internet addiction and find vidya more fun than art
>school ends, and with it all the art classes that flip my brain into 'art mode' and all the non-art subjects I used as doodle time.
A lot of my self worth is placed in this hobby and it's such a source of shame and guilt now that I fucked up with it. I tried to quit and leave it behind two years ago but realised a lot of my thoughts still revolve around art, I enjoy following other artists and I still aspire to be like the ones I really admire, but when I sit down to try and grind, I find it boring. There's no incentive or obvious point where drawing punches the reward button in my brain, I don't even like doodling my shitty OCs heads. But without art, I feel like I'm incomplete. Wtf do I do?

>>3839328
Internet addiction isn't real, you feeble faggot.

>>3839348
Not far from the truth, it's an accumulation of bad habits in addition to being a symptom of poor self-control.
>>3839328
>when I sit down to try and grind
I think that's your problem. I had the same mentality for a long while and it only got better when I started looking at art not as a grind, but as something I wanted to do. I just started doing things I liked even though I knew I wasn't (and still am not) good enough. Fan art, OCs, you name it. You gotta loosen up and get your head out of Loomis and figure drawing, they're just tools to help you warmup or when you're stuck and don't know what a hand looks like and nothing more. Do fan art, do colors, do OCs, join drawthreads on other boards with prompts you like, even if it sucks, post it out there, people will enjoy it more than you think most of the time.
It's really hard changing a little and getting over yourself but it's only a few steps far from enjoying art again. Hope that made sense.

>>3835955

>be me
>work on a piece up until 2 in the morning
>feel as if something is wrong with it but can't pinpoint it
>completely 86 it
>work on a new one
>it turns out better

Yeah, but I'm not getting all that wasted time back.

I can't even make a straight line without it being wobly without help. Or curves. I hate my pulse so much... Also I can't get the loomys head right, something doesn't click. Or make circles the way I want.

>>3839392
Its not wasted time man, you learn be doing. Than the second piece turned more to your liking is prove of that.

People need to stop judging others for what they like to draw and art they like. Ain't nothing wrong with enjoying some loli and jc content.

>>3839401
Please tell me jc isnt something horrible like loli

>>3839328
draw anyway
or do something else if it makes you so sad
nobody's got a gun to your head

>>3839562
it's ~13 year olds
made up genre so these pedo artists can claim "well at least we're not drawing 8 year olds like those fucking PERVERTS who draw loli"
pretty sad

I think I have been doing the Loomis head method all wrong for the past few months and only realized it now

>>3839602
pretty pathetic

>>3839617
What were you doing wrong Anko

>>3839631

I thought that, in a front view, you should place the nose on the bottom of the circle, but it turns out that it's the mouth that should be there, so my jaws were all messed up

>>3839634
Your instincts must be into the long nose people.

>>3839635

I think it was just lack of attention on my part desu

>>3839617
>>3839634
Congrats on finding your mistake and learning from it, unironically. It's the path to improvement

>>3839642

Thanks man, I'll be more careful with this stuff from now on

I consider myself pretty successful at my job. I've been doing art full time for over 2 and a half years now and have improved a lot. I draw porn of course.
Even though I have almost acheived my goals and continue to raise the bar higher for myself, I also like giving critique here. Especially if it's someone who I think might have as much drive as I do. I work over 8 hours a day just drawing. What's frustrating is that half the time people get very crabby when I critique. I've resorted to mostly lurking and only critiquing in my own Discords, but I still don't know why I come back here. Almost no one here wants anyone else to get better it seems.

>>3839649
are you good at critiqueing?

>>3839602
13 and 14 year olds are literally young women. The difference between a 13 and an 8 year old is gigantic. Your lying to yourself if you don't think there is one. Even irl 14 year olds catch the eye of normal fag dudes though most will deny it because they're horrified of being labeled pedos.

>>3839671
>catch the eye of normal-
iJust because you are a freak dosent mean normal people are.

>>3839649
>lurking and only critiquing in my own Discords
are there any servers that are actually serious & study focused and that actually give good crits? every one i've seen so far is just a bunch of fucking around and people never giving a real crit beyond the same empty platitudes you'd find on deviantart

i quit art because i didn’t get into the art school i wanted to be in. what’s the point in living now

>>3839847
Have you ever considered to go into politics anon? I would highly recommend it.

>>3835955
>be a retail wagecuck for 40 hours a week
>get home and feel mentally and physically exhausted
>play some vidya to calm my mind before I shit out what I can on the digital canvas before I pass out for work the next day
>only get a somewhat competent piece done on my off days

Fucking hell, maybe I should take a vacation, also any "not-adderall" suggestions?

>>3839959
Yeah, just skip the games and calming mind part and get fit too so you aren't so weak to pass out after work. Also work on your mindset and be happy with anything you get.

>>3839659
Well, I've never said anything too vague. My critiques range from "you need to work on x. Read x" to full blown redlines with what could be improved in more depth on the side.

>>3839959
Learn to prioritize what to do on your limited free time. Also this >>3839965, get some regular exercise

>>3839959
take public transit if possible so you can draw during your commute. do quick studies during breaks/downtime. even in retail ime there are slow periods where you aren't really doing anything other than checking your phone; paint on it instead. do plein air & life drawing after work. presuming you can take a tablet to work, you could even relegate busywork tasks like doing flats to these same breaks. whatever the case is, being around a constant stream of people is an excellent way to build your visual library.
>>3839965
like these anons said, use exercise as your filter, it'll wake you up & make it easier for you to meet qts at the same time, doing art makes you automatically interesting to them & provides great pickup lines but only if you're not a fat slob. become an art chad.

I think i'm at the point where I don't want to be a professional anymore.
I'm just too boring to do all the shilling and not creative enough to make things on my own without a reference 24/7. I'm 20 now and still don't know what I'm doing with myself. I never had a career goal, and the only reason I'm still messing with art is because it's the only skill people praised me for. For once I want somone to take my hand and guide me through life. Maybe I just need a break.

Holy shit my dudes I'm fucking lonely and starting to get really sad.

Also a lot of shit in common with >>3840277 except I'm 21 and people don't really praise me for my art.

In ~5+ years of art I have literally never drawn something I was happy with or proud of.
I can't finish pieces anymore, it's all sketches, I try to sit down and ink something and it looks like garbage, I try to colour and it isn't any different.

The amount of times I've started drawing a comic page, only to just drop it midway is ridiculous. I'd tell myself it's just a 3 page or 1 page sequence, but I just can't seem to do it.

I am such a better artist on paper than I am digitally, even though I have a $500 pen display. It's incredibly frustrating that I feel like I'm not reaching my current best ability.

And as far as my current best abilities are concerned, I think I'm decently good at shading and line weight and all that with graphite, but my sense of depth and dynamics are incredibly hit or miss. I seem to have trouble thinking in 3D space when I draw, which is really annoying. I think I know what I'm shitty at and it's giving me a bad case of imposter syndrome. I can make things that look good every now and then but I feel like I don't really know what I'm doing still. I feel like I'm constantly trying to prove to myself that I'm as good as I think I might be.

It's hard to do exercises at this stage. When you're a beginner you just accept the fact you're bad at things. But I've created a number of things I think are genuinely good and now everything else I make feels more painful than ever. I've been doing some things right, I just don't know how I did it, and oftentimes it shows.

>draw with moderate skill
>lacking anatomical knowledge
>spent last year learning anatomy
>hmm, I did so many training sketches, I sure must have improved
>draw stuff
>look at old stuff
>looks about the same, except new stuff has better anatomy but I also realize that I already got a lot of that stuff intuitively right in the past
>meh

anybody who can relate?

>wake up
>check twitter
>PRO level Artist with 150+k: Finally turned 21, time really goes fast
AHHHHHHHH Already 25 ans not even 1/15 of his skill
HOW DO I COPE
MOMMY I WANT TO COPE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WAKE ME UPOWE DOIUPWQEBFOPIAUOIPBEUOBIEFZVIAZVZGVOI
CALL MY NAME AND SAVE ME FMROMNDRSFOUREPHGWE

>>3841165
already feeling slightly better after that shitpost
good thread.

>>3841165
>tfw in the same situation but ONLY 22
how does it feel grandpa?

>>3841170
SHUT THE FUCK UP NIGGER
Im already seething don't come triggering meneznduzev fgz MOMMY GAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>3836042
Use the other hand

>>3836696
Only you decide your limit. And stop chastising yourself, faggot

>>3841165
>32
>30 followers totes
>never made a penny

>>3839328
>get internet addiction and find vidya more fun than art
Well, this is exactly what happens to me. I can’t escape. I love art, but I can’t fight this time wasting addiction

>>3841194
If you're playing online games like Apex or League, just fucking force yourself to quit anon, it's not worth it.
You can fight it, little by little. It's all habits, come on.

>>3841165
>HOW DO I COPE

I'm 30 and still making steady progress, you'll just have to learn to enjoy the journey m8

>>3841165
Holy shit, anon. I laughed heartily. Thanks dude

>>3841165
just don't think about it. there's no point. just think about making minimum wage

>>3841165
>wake up
>feel good
>draw
>don't care about social media
>time goes slow
Feels good.

>>3841198
Im on it. I already quit wow, hs, gw2, lol... well, its a long list but holy shit if it isnt difficult to stay “clean”. Thanks

>/ic/ - Artwork/Critique
>post artwork
>get no critique
Well fuck you too

>>3841215
I had to quit myself because no more vidya to play. There was a whitdrawal period or whatever you wanna call it that lasted a couple days but then I started drawing all the time again. I know shit's not easy when you're so used to it.
Hope you'll get to the point where you can just monitor your time appropriately. There are programs that could help you do that, perhaps? Anyways keep it up anon, I'm rooting for you.

>>3841216
Post something in a provocative or retarded manner so you can grab attention

>>3841217
Good taste fkey is godlike.

>>3841216
>post elaborate traditional drawing with cool idea
>tumbleweeds
>someone immediately after posts crude moeblob drawn in MSpaint showing some skin
>OMG SHES SO CUTE I LOVE UR STYLE BLOG PLS???
this board is basically /h/

>>3841229
The traditional artists with cool ideas are high and mighty fuckers who never give you their blog, that’s why.

>>3835955
everytime i see artist use photoshop...it makes me feel like shit. like i tried so hard to get programs like krita and csp to work for painting but i don't have the time nor patience for it.

>>3841232
>my art is being ignored, that's probably the sign I should post my blog!

I used to desperately wish I was at the level I'm at now, though I'm still not *there* yet. I feel like the better I get in technical skill, the more uninspired or bland my ideas have become. I'm tired of people trying to get cheap work out of me or make a profit off me for themselves.
I don't know whether I should move to a city and establish myself there and get stuck in the rat-race, or just keep being that elusive artist in a small regional town who has to keep hearing "You are wasting your talent!" The industry is flooded with plenty of mediocre "artists" and I just wanna play with the big boys in the city, but fuck the stress of trying to live there financially and start a new life all over again.

>>3841258
>gives tons of (you)'s
>get no response back
Yeah fuck you too

>>3840322
>>3840277
either of you fags interested in making drawfriends? the freelance life is getting pretty lonely desu and talking to other artists seems like it'd be kinda nice.
>>3841215
>>3841217
just straight up unplug the internet while you work/study. get all your ref & projects sorted out beforehand. maybe even consider doing your initial sketches & planning with pen and paper so that you can get away from the screen entirely. also be sure to set a timer & take regular breaks, just operating with the mindset of doing things deliberately instead of being perpetually distracted will help a lot.
>>3841216
i'll give you a crit if you share your post.

>>3841273
bruh.

>>3836042
I broke my arm once and couldn't use my right hand, so instead I learned to draw with my left. It's really not hard, the coordination problem disappears if you stick with it.

>>3838184
this. all work is gonna be done by robbits
learn to code

>>3836084

All your colors look desaturated. Maybe do color picking studies?

>>3841334
Thanks for the idea. That's the missing link to why I'm not learning much and others are. Completely forgot about color picking.

>don' want to draw all day
>draws 1 or 2 hours in the end
>wishes you could keep on drawing for days without being interrupted and swear you'll put all your time in drawing tomorrow
>tomorrow comes and you procrastinate for the whole day again and repeats this

I hate myself so, so hard.

>>3835955
drawing's fine and all but i like using my skills to make something that can actually be used

wow. feels good to get that off my chest.

>>3841381
It can be used to entertain people or make them think, whatever's your thing. Big or small, art that's consumed has an impact on the people that see it. And you can chose which one. Won't totally change lives (even if sometimes, it can, like influence younger people or even older with comics I guess), but it will affect them.
I wouldn't say art has no use.

>>3835955
I got in touch with a childhood friend and we had a falling out because I’m an autistic retard.
When we were in 2nd grade, we would pretend Star Wars, draw together, just kiddo hijinks. I had a rough and lonely childhood, so most of the people who were my friends left an impression on me. She really liked Asajj Ventress and one day I got really good at drawing her. I wanted to give her a drawing to impress her. She left one day and I always wondered about her, where she was, whether or not she was okay, exc. I had a crush on her as a kid.
We got in touch over the internet and I invited her to my art server. Just a dozen friends of mine trying to git gud and shitpost. We did a daily art challenge and it was a lot of fun. She found out that I had a girlfriend, not that it was a secret, but it’s something I didn’t tell her and I think it upset her. I didn’t know she had feelings for me, I didn’t want her to, even though I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want to know what it’d be like. I didn’t tell her about my gf because I didn’t want her to stop talking to me or be less interested in me. I didn’t want to face my own feelings that I have in relation to her and my gf. I always wondered about this person, and now that I was in the middle of a relationship they come back into my life, and I didn’t know how to handle it.
So, I kinda put two and two together. And I’m kind of messed up over it. I don’t think we’ll ever be friends again. She just sort of left, unfriended me, and that’s all. No explanation, not that I need one now. I just feel really sad, and it’s not like I can talk to anyone about it. I had a dream about her out of nowhere last night and I woke up feeling so happy. Then i started thinking more about it, and it donned on me what I’d done.

>>3841372
I do this too, haven’t found a real solution yet. What’s worse is that I’ve always had problems sleeping, so this won’t be something I can solve in a night or two. We’re fuckin cursed m8. It’s like, do you want to straighten out your sleep schedule, or do you want to do what you were born to do and create something?

I'm an ultra beginner who doesn't even know the correct way to hold a pen
I'm so impressed by anyone who can create amazing artwork, but I don't know where to begin
There are so many amazing resources it's a little overwhelming.
It's extremely demotivating that I'm 25 years old, and there are people less than half my age who can draw better than I ever will, but I know the only way to get better is to just draw

>>3841381
Strive to be a designer, illustrator. Your art will solve aesthetic problems.
And art is a cathartic experience, it helps to get things off your chest that you couldn’t express otherwise and people that feel like you will feel identified and accompanied.

>>3841852
You did nothing wrong dude. It's kind of silly of her to unfriend you, what did she expect really. Maybe she'll understand that it's silly and will talk to you again, if not it's her loss

>Haha idk bro I’ve always just been good at drawing :^))))))

What is WITH people who can draw worth a damn just having no proper education or ANYTHING

Fuck man, ANYTHING you read or studied from, just name it!

I can’t tell if they’re just forgetful druggies or if you have to have innate talent to get this stuff. FUCK. So mad. Anyone else have that friend? Anyone else have no clue what to even start with because every person and book gives you a different answer but all of them assume you already have all the other fundamentals down so you can’t even start any of them? Holy fuck I hate this stupid shit so much I just wanna have a CONCRETE PATH from someone who knows their shit and can explain the importance of each thing

>>3842268
If that helps, when I asked Jake Wyatt for advice, he just straight up said "Loomis". Lots of pro artists will say Loomis.

>>3842268
They don't want to tell you. It's that simple. Why reveal the secrets of getting good to the competition?

>>3842279
I bought the book, what’s a good amount of time to practice each individual mechanic he introduces? I had a difficult time making even the intro stuff work, but maybe I just need to devote more time to it. Art makes me angry like nothing else does and I tend to stop after one or two failed attempts. I wish i had some benzos or something to just stop getting enraged and dropping it.

anyone got some techniques for staying calm while learning?

>>3842282
epic meme bro :^)

>>3842297
It's not a meme. I know, because that's what I tell people. Fuck off with your glass heart.

>>3842297
I'll the last person to give advice because I'm fucking suicidal thanks to art but I think it's essential to understand how ellipses work inside a sphere, something that Loomis doesn't explain. When you have an understanding of ellipses in perspective you can cut the sphere correctly and start building the faces with the Loomis method. Then after a while you can do modifications to the standard face he teaches. It really doesn't take very long once you understand basic volumes.

>>3842302
THAT’S the part i hate. it’s like wow I’m gonna read this book everyone recommends but it’s missing key factors, so you go to learn that only to find the other one is missing key factors. this is kinda why i want an art teacher instead, people who make art books are sloppy about including everything you need because they assume you already draw. if i just had someone i could ask about those things they omit when they omit them I’d be golden. i think I’ll hire someone 1-on-1. Thanks for helping me realize what i need anon!

>>3842297
As for staying calm, just isolate yourself from social media and better artists. Just disconnect and focus on your own shit. Don't compare, don't think about style, just coldly try to nail down the basic proportions.
Also use parallel lines to align the features, this is something I've learned from the artist Stefano Lanza (pic related) and it made head construction 10x easier

>>3842305
For the ellipse thing just watch the Scott Robertson videos on YT. Imagine the minor axis coming from a vanishing point.

>>3840277
>the only reason I'm still messing with art is because it's the only skill people praised me for
I didn't ask to suffer like this...

>>3837445
Contacted them on Twitter and finally got a reply. It was caught in the spam filter and is back now. That was stressful.

>>3842582
Damn that's sucks. Glad you got it back

My laptop's hardware died yesterday. I have to replace it tomorrow, which will wipe out all of my files.

I was in the progress of painting the absolute best painting of my entire life, no joke. If I had just finished it, I wouldn't even care. I barely slept these past 2 days and when I did it was having either nightmares about it, or good dreams that it was suddenly fixed. I keep telling myself that I can just re-do it, and everything will be fine again. but i'm just too fucking depressed to cheer myself up in any way. why the fuck did this have to happen in the worst possible time. there were many times where i wasn't painting anything atm where this could have happened.

i feel like i'm going through all of the stages of grief. except acceptance. i haven't fully done that yet.

>>3836105
I can't believe people actually get so upset over this, to the point of reporting it. It's like, yeah, his goal was to get a rise out of you and it worked. You're pissed.

>>3836273
FEET!!!!

>>3835955
*Cracks*
CRAAAAAACK OPEN A COLDEN BOYS ITS TEEEEEAM UNITY TUESDAY

>>3835955
Buck down and hundie those fundies kid! Run your sets and you'll never stop improving!

>>3842688
Where is my motivation

>>3842653
RIP in peace. take a break for a bit. in the end, you always know you have to keep going, eventually.

>>3842656
What about it?

>>3842653
Look on the bright side anon. Had you actually finished it, you wouldn't have liked it as much as you think you do now. Every art you create will seem mediocre a year later. Now it will forever be perfect in your head even if you're being delusional.

There's a guy I know of who commissions a stunning amount of work. I'm talking like, I wouldn't be surprised if there were >50 pictures with 4+ characters in them, on top of any smaller works. It's of kinky stuff.
The guy is cool but sometimes I wonder if he's just the FBI or some other government agency gathering information on degenerate artists.

>>3835955
God fucking dammit am I getting out of /beg/ and that's why people progressively reply less to me? Is it that I post too often? Can't be, other anons post a lot more with updates to the same drawing. Maybe my drawings are just boring? I dunno I feel better than most of /beg/ but not quite /draw/ thread yet. I don't even know why am I complaining but yeah this is a Vent thread. Maybe I should create social networks and post my stuff for attention, someone has to appreciate it. But my flaws, I still don't know much. I think I'm at the level where only I can help myself with moleage
20 drawings or so more and I could be /draw/ level with less messy lines and shading.

>>3839059
change his shirt color

>complete shut in with no friends
>become obsessed with everything I dedicate myself to, for the most part that was mmos but less depressed and miserable so actually being productive and becoming good at art like I always wanted
>obsession leads to constantly thinking about art and what I did wrong and what I'm improving at etcetc. doesn't ever stop.
>good because there's always more to learn, when I obsessed over games I burnt out quick
>but so many thoughts and no one to share anything with
>Make myself draw every single day a month ago after beginning 4-5 times a week when started to take it seriously
>feel like all these thoughts I have every day about art are just clogging up somewhere making me feel pent up and lost
>desire to continue declines and desire for a friend with similar interests rises
>in a few discords, one of which for years now, but still can't make friends or hold a conversation
this might as well be r9k tier vent but God damn I've been flip flopping my mood with one. One day I'm happier than ever I've worked something out and the next sad I don't have anyone to share that with. Someone that actually knows wtf I'm talking about.

>>3844154
what's your discord anon?

>>3844161
seems sortve rude to give it out in this specific thread, just venting not desperately seeking discord friends like an attention seeker, yknow? Well maybe it's just me, I don't know. I should give the art buddies thread a shot next time it comes around, if anything.
I appreciate the asking though.

>>3844141
Defintely shit and boring, keep at it and keep getting better.

>>3844296
oh ok, here's my throwaway if you;re interested
throwmeaway@cock.li

>>3844334
Just came into this thread to say that is a damn good throwaway, almost as good as worth keeping.

>>3838496
Do you need a reason to keep drawing?

I did something really stupid yesterday. I still feel very sick. I fucked up.

>>3844390
Tell me more

>>3844390
Please tell

Sup, fellas.

So, I've been drawing for 2 years now, and I've benn into human figure practice lately. I started using pictures from the web and then started taking my own pictures of myself, my girlfriend and friends.
My gf lets me take full nude pictures of her to draw, and now I have some nude drawings of her that I like a lot, but I really can't show anyone I know... Because it's her! Lol. Have you guys ever had a problem like this?

>>3844361

Not for now, but it would be nice to have a more solid objective.

>>3844390
Who did you kill and how

>>3841282
>just straight up unplug the internet while you work/study. get all your ref & projects sorted out beforehand. maybe even consider doing your initial sketches & planning with pen and paper so that you can get away from the screen entirely. also be sure to set a timer & take regular breaks, just operating with the mindset of doing things deliberately instead of being perpetually distracted will help a lot.
I think I'll end up doing that for a while to see anon.
Cheers.

I feel like coloring and rendering is a “kick the ladder down and lock the door” trade secret so I don’t even bother

>>3845159
Basedboy detected.

>think of a concept that I really like
>someone has already done it much better than I had imagined it
https://twitter.com/i/moments/804325298275655681
Admittedly dragon fusions aren't the most creative thing in the world but now I probably won't be able to shake the feeling that I'm just copying someone else's work/making discount version of something that already exists when I try to design my own stuff. What a life.

>>3845105
Myself almost

>>3845189
Generally I just take different bits and pieces of animals and turn them into something new

That or take a single animal and stylize it heavily

>>3845195
But why anon. Was it an impulse or something you were planning for a while?

>>3845233
Impulse. I just feel really depressed

>>3845255
how are you doing now?

>>3845259
I feel really sick but I won't go to the hospital. I'm trying to sleep it off till it goes away. I haven't drawn anything in days.

>>3845263
did you already hurt yourself? i'm sorry you're going through this shit right now anon, idk if it's worth anything but i've been there and even though everything seems fucked up and hopeless right now it doesn't have to be the end. things do get better. if you want someone to talk to feel free to hmu.
sleep#0732

>>3841165
>>3841211
>>3841193
"dont worry anon what kind of LOSER would actually want to use their skills to make money??:) :) hhahaha imagine caring about dedicating hundreds or thousands of hours of your life, missing out on socializing, sacrificing your health and sanity to get good and expect money? are you really that entitled? I just draw for fun bro/my furry/porn/anime blog has 4000 followers and i make 10k a year on commisions after 3 years, all you have to do is not care and youll make it bro haha :) :) :)"

>>3845269
I've been calling hotlines. I'll be fine. I just want to get back to drawing and undo the damage I did online.

In 22 minutes from now I'll give all I have to get good. Goodbye, my old NGMI self.

>>3835955

When I'm getting Rorschach'd hard and I'm just about to send 'em but then I get sniped by a Wyatt

how do we stop people tracing and charging for traces as commissions? it's such a lazy scummy thing to do but people dont seem to give a fuck.

>>3845565
Natural selection. They'll fall with time. Only the fittest survive.

>>3845565
I think the only thing that works is when the original artist notices, points it out publicly, and goes "hey what the fuck don't profit off my work".

i don't enjoy drawing anymore
what do i do?

>>3845612
Stop, don't force yourself. You will come back to it naturally when you are ready, or you will rediscover your inspiration. If you ban yourself from drawing for a week you will no longer be stressed about it, and may find where your true desire lies.

I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO DRAW A FUCKING BODY THAT DOESN'T LOOK AWFUL AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>3840373
That looks sick asf tho, way better than most. I'm the same, I just use my tablets to trace my existing artwork or just image trace in illustrator with my drawings scanned in. You're just being overly critical, maybe take a small break, flip through all your old sketchbooks. That gets me out of my stoops when I realise how far I've come.

>>3845612
Explore a new medium

>>3845612
take a small break & see how you feel. beyond that, try to get back in touch with what made drawing fun for you in the first place. it's easy to get stuck in a mindset that you have to draw a certain way or do certain things instead of just doing what comes naturally.
>>3845565
you don't want the kind of clients who accept such shitty work

>>3842962
That... actually cured my depression over it, thanks bro

MY WRIST FUCKING HURTS AND IT PISSES ME OFF

>>3845688
Experiment with how you hold the pencil, try hold it as loose as you can while having a solid grip. Breath and relax whenever you notice clenching. Hold your book in a comfortable position etc.

>>3835955
it's been 9 years since i last visited /ic/. time sure flashed by

10 years working as a cutout animator for shitty arabic cartoons in the middle east without rest or freetime to work on my own personal art.. self taught but in all the wrong ways, because fuck being a sandnigger poorfag who can't afford an art-school..

So here i am, in my mid 30s, single, working 17 hours of cutout animating other artists keyframes as a freelancer, struggling with rent and without stable income, health insurance and even a car, i only have 30 something art pieces done in the past 10 years that i'm somewhat satisfied with and hundred of discarded sketches that'll never see the light of day. i was a loser when i was here 9 years ago, and it looks like i still am now.

Posted is something i drew 2 years ago that will never be finished or published online in hope i don't doxx myself, but i guess the information here already is more than enough. fuck everything

>>3845729
17 hours* a day

>>3845729
GET OUTTA THERE HOMIE, YOU KNOW WHATS KEEPING YOU DOWN, NOW TAKE FLIGHT AND LIVE YOUR DREAMS (seriously man live life and shit, do whatever you need to change your life direction cause being unhappy is a waste of time)

>>3836092
>technical ability
>posts hardedged crap
yeah okay, its pretty obivous you would fail at the mere fact of doing something from imagination.

>>3837260
He's right though. Anons replying don't have experience with MDD.
There's a sweet spot between doing nothing else but staring at a wall in bed while "please kill me god" repeats endlessly in your head and wanting to die but still having the willpower to sit at the computer and draw.
It can FGM.

Got a basic job with actual health insurance and decent pay that allowed me to support myself and move out of my parents but I haven’t drawn in months

This is the price I pay I guess

>>3845917
>posting on /ic/ right now
You could be drawing right now.

>>3845920
Yeah idk I’m just browsing while eating a late dinner and gonna get ready for bed right after

I’ll throw in a doodle cause you’re still correct. It’s hard balancing work and drawing especially when it takes a while to get to the “flow” state.

>>3845892
you clearly had no experience with depression either. there's no sweet spot, you just act on it at some point
t. anon who poisoned himself the other day

>>3845930
save up money to take some time off to dedicate to studying

>tons of shoulder pain out of nowhere
fuck.
>>3845965
hope you're doing ok.

>>3835955
All my art friends are beginners, while I've been drawing for about 4 years. I'm always the one answering their questions, but I want friends around my own level or better. I'm just so damn socially incompetent I don't know what to say or talk about with anyone who doesn't initiate a conversation first, which is how I ended up with all these beginner friends in the first place. I see my peers hanging out with each other and having fun. No drama. No basic questions. No /beg/ tier frustrations to deal with. They got their in jokes and casual ribbing while I'm here with what feels like babysitting half the time.

I have non art friends who are great to just pal around with, but they don't share my artistic interests. Just...how the hell do you connect with people like yourself but don't want anything more to do with you than the occasional "Hey dude. Like your art." And "Thanks man. I like your stuff too." Where the hell do you go from there? You can try to jump in a conversation, but you end up saying something dumb and they treat you like a common fanboy.

Just, Christ. How can I be both picky and desperate at the same time? I'm a fucking wreck

>>3845993
I just want you to know that your vent makes me angry too.

>>3845972
I feel physically like utter shit and
>my internet disconnects randomly
>my computer is crashing
>there is a problem with Google itself that started exactly yesterday localized on a few accounts which has locked me out of most of my online profiles which I absolutely need to access
>I have permanently lost things online and IRL due to shit I did when I was fucked up
>I need to see the dentist in a few hours and this person has the touch of a carpenter
>this halfassed suicide attempt has given me an epiphany and although I can't draw any better I realize that my art is even more fucking shit than I thought it was before

>>3845917
The other guy is right. Set your priorities straight and find time to draw if you really want to
>t. 9-5 wageslave same as you but able to draw at least 1 hr a day

this is the most stressful day of my entire life by a fucking mile

>>3846018
if it's any consolation, you've reached just about the lowest point anyone can and you survived. that alone has made you stronger. it wont feel that way for a while but that's because your body is trying recover from not dying. i lost all my work 2 years ago, years worth of blood sweat and tears completely erased. having to start from nothing can feel really demoralizing but the truth is you get to start fresh with all the skills you've built up to this point. and if you're don't feel like you're good enough yet? so what? compared to living, gitting gud is ezmode.

some people i cared very deeply about didn't make it. i'm really happy you did

>>3838048
why do depressed people feel so convinced that they are disabled?

I wish I was more creative. My head is just so empty.

I always feel so jealous of your art and your kind attitude.
Even when you think your work is not enough you never seem to get mad or frustrated you're so positive and people like you so much.
It makes me feel sick. I wish I was dead for thinking like this over such a dear friend.

>>3848475
Did your friend go by a bunch of random 8-10 digit numbers on Discord?
[I miss him too.]

>>3848487
Not the same person. Sorry, I don't even use discord.

>>3848475
Post their obscure art I wanna see