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I think yes, I heard that Leonardo dicaprio had over 200

>>3832224
IQ = talent

>>3832255
if he was so smart why did he die

If you haven't done piles of drawings since you were a kid just because you enjoyed it, your only hope is a very scientific and analytic approach. Some who drew since they were kids might develop something that works for them and it becomes a habit. But they cant really explain to you what they are doing because it is very intuitive for them due to many years of accumulated experience. Others start late and because they are intelligent they figure out how to create an image in a more technical way. A good example is Craig Mullins. He didnt start drawing properly until he was 21 or something. If you gave him pencil and paper to draw with dont expect anything amazing. But he has figured out a process that works for him on his own.

>>3832326
leonardo dicaprio

>>3832326
Because rose wouldn’t share the door with him

>>3832364
wtf, i thought he was talking about davinci and the dicaprio was just a meme

>>3832224
The ability to create images in your head, that you can see (third eye) is probably one of the most important. as well as the ability to store images, technical skill can all be learned, even at 100-110 range. Pure talent i think is the ability to manipulate images, and "fill in the blanks" manually. but you wont ever "make it" unless you have the ability to create images that people like. which is way more abstract and probably reliant on your childhood.

has there ever been found a noticeable correlation between being a good artist and IQ?

even in fields like chess where IQ seems to have a big impact you can find studies which contradict that.

IQ probably only matters when any particular field is undeveloped and when an individual is a beginner, for example if you look at chess grandmasters from before 1980 you'll find out that like 50% of them are ashkenazi jews. this isn't the case anymore ever since chess has moved forward as a field.

IQ is basically a crutch that helps unskilled retards who don't want to work hard

>>3832417
>even in fields like chess where IQ seems to have a big impact you can find studies which contradict that.
wait WHAT! this true?

>>3832224
iq is a meme

>>3832425
to a degree.

>Does Chess Need Intelligence? – A Study with Young Chess Players

that's one study, it only tested young players though.

but as I've said before, if you look at the advancements of chess and look at all of the grandmasters you'll see that the number of ashkenazi jew(highest IQ among any ethnic group) grandmasters has declined, it was much greater in the past for the simple reason of chess being undeveloped as a field.

pioneers are usually very smart, but the people that come after them and work on their knowledge aren't necessarily. practice/skill/time begin to matter more than intelligence.

taking the above study into account, being a brainlet can in some circumstances be a blessing--since you're more likely to stick with whatever skill you're trying to learn than a smarter person. but this would obviously depend on other personality traits as well.

>>3832224
I've heard stories about the legendary master with IQ over 9000

>>3832224
IQ is essentially potential for intelligence due to the ability to recognize patterns. I think that essentially translates into one's ability to make high-quality art because you have to recognize and learn structure, anatomy, color theory, perspective, etc. You only need a low IQ for paint splatter bullshit, moderate IQ for copying/tracing/heavy referencing, and high IQ for high quality, non-copied work with good fundies.

This could explain why places like Europe and Asia had a history of higher-quality art compared to places like, say, Saharan Africa. Their art is mostly crude and they struggle to create art in the likeness of real people, and in an aesthetically pleasing way.

>>3832482
>This could explain why places like Europe and Asia had a history of higher-quality art

kek, did you ever look at asian art or are you just trolling?

it's garbage all the way, your idea also doesn't explain the lack of jewish artists who have the highest int ggggg1

>>3832495
ayyyyyy because to make good art you also need to have a soul.

>>3832482
There's more to how the brain works than just iq.

>>3832504
Ok idiot

My iq is like 100 im breddy average, not dumb, but im not a genius. You could brally make it if u self bublished.

>>3832520
What is eq and personality traits. Just because someone has a high iq doesn't mean their work is going to have any depth outside of technical ability. The fact still remains you don't need a high iq to learn the fundamentals, you just need the right mindset and a good source of knowledge/teacher.

>>3832224
einstein has never taken an iq test tho

>>3832326

>>3832615
Ok idiot

>>3832397
Sounds like photobashing and googling

>>3832224
The reason why we're all artists is because the left side of our brains don't work.

>>3832370
He actually let the door go

>>3832224
IQ is a meme for stupid people.

>>3835260
wow certainly convenient for that to be the case for a low IQ retard like you

>>3835271
I've taken a bunch of IQ tests. Studied the study of intelligence and considered making that a focus of study if I stayed in skool. Written a ton about all the ways that IQ isn't really anything other than a retard test for children. If you want to determine your child's relative test taking abilities then its not a bad meme but beyond that it's pretty much just dogshit. Definitely not something to put a lot of personal value into, particularly since most of the people that are super stoked about IQ haven't even been tested and they're just relying on demographic averages and maybe like a 20 question online test.

Like you can study and improve your IQ. Your IQ is influenced by which language you learn first, how rich your parents are, how much sleep you got the night before, what you ate, how much you were primed, how much you've already learned, etc. The idea that it's a study of "raw intelligence" or whatever is a goof.

Plus, in terms of being an artfag. "Spatial reasoning" is like 1/3rd of the test. You could be an off-the-charts genius on those questions and a fucking retard at doing numbers and talking good, and come away with an average IQ.

Plus you can be a genius with a big brain number all you want. If you don't do anything with it it doesn't matter. A motivated dipshit is better than a self-important "genius" that is more concerned with saying that they're smart than demonstrating it.

>>3835283
nice broscience, retard. maybe you shouldve stayed in school

>>3835260
>>3835283

You're a fucking tool.

>>3835294
brainlet detected

>>3835294
why? I just bought a doctorate in memetics on instantdegrees.com ez pz. Accradeted university.

>>3835304
nothing but "cutsie" little one liners, you act like a woman

>>3835308
Why would I take you seriously? And getting triggered that people goof around is kind of THE thing that buzzkill bitch women do to ruin a good time.

You remind me of your mom.

>>3835312
probably a result of your roastie single mother, i wonder whata it sounds like when shes railing strangers in the room over, you probably get a little hard thinking about it

No idea, but I have an IQ of about 140 and when I was at hospital I used to draw because there was fuck all else to do. I got a lot of praise from the staff and other patients and I think my favourite compliment was when someone called me "printer". I used to draw about 4-6 hours a day though.

>>3835316
>probably a result of your roastie single mother
well my dad called my mom a frigid unfuckable lesbian a lot and she didn't really have a social life raising us and getting a doctorate and being principle of a citywide program to help autistic and emotionally disturbed children like you learn how to make their way in life. I guess you're probably from somewhere that doesn't fund stuff like that, which is why you're so upset?
>i wonder whata it sounds like when shes railing strangers in the room over
So your parents don't have a healthy sex life? And I learned what that shit sounds like from staying at my dad's house. That dude fucked.
> you probably get a little hard thinking about it
Not really no. That's a weird thing to project about yourself tho. Do you have a lot of incest fantasies about your parents?

>>3832224
I think high IQ artists are more critical of their drawings, are less prone to delusions, recognize mistakes, know where and how to improve, they work more analytical, recognize patterns, understand why something looks good or bad, can organize and, while not usually associated with IQ, are generally able to work in a disciplined matter, sinc etehy have self-control. Ofc, there are high IQ people with poor self-control and fucked-up reward centres in the brain. I think self-control matters most in art, but a high IQ as always helps. High IQ and self-controlis also associated with faster learning.

And yet I think art doesn't require a high IQ to git gud. Average should do. It's probably one of the less IQ reliant skills.

>>3832350
Quality comment over here!

>>3835325
>mum was good with autistic children
wonder why lol

>>3832224
IQ is only reliable when testing retards, for anyone below 80 it will be accurate, for any normal range of intelligence it's very fallible, someone on amphetamines could do the test faster and get a high result but that doesn't mean it made them actually smarter, if anything it brought them closer to being a braindamaged schizo retard. Anyway it doesn't matter if you never amount to or accomplish anything like the abstract math major NEETs/baristas on /sci/ who are obsessed with IQ. Most artists are probably retarded though, just watch interviews of famous musicians they are like drooling monkeys so you def don't need a high IQ if you want to"make it".

>>3832442
Which is what I said and literally everyone else says until actually reading the material on IQ studies. Stop staying in your comfortable bubble.

I've never met a dumb good artist.

>>3836266
>Which is what I said and literally everyone else says until actually reading the material on IQ studies
lol "the material." There's a lot of material.

Why do you believe in IQ? What material specifically makes you have so much faith in it? Have you been administered an IQ test? Taken a few online tests that'll give you a 100 even if you get all the questions wrong?

>>3836270
true