/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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>>3815888
holy shit is that Ash?

>>3815888
gay porn is kind gay

>>3815962
you mean gheeeey

>>3815967
its fucking gay and I dont understand why online artist, men and women are obessed with it. stop being homoerotic and draw good art you degenerates

>>3815984
and here he is.

>>3815986

Hey. Just came by to post some cheesecake before this thread's bombed.

>>3815888

Reported. Have fun.

>>3815986
Report and hide thread.

>>3815888
interview with Emergence/Metamorphosis creator, ShindoL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SD9-4pUPH0

>>3815984
that art is so ugly

>>3816083
Her ass is 6 inches away from her shoulders bro

>>3816085
Was trying to make it so the viewer would be looking up at her, didn't execute it well.

Here's a sketch.

>>3816097
some attempts at grey-scale rendering. I want to start getting into painting.

>>3816097
This is much better, nice work. Twitter?

>>3816104
how come one ass cheek is way bigger than the other?

>>3816149
It’s like things get bigger the further away they are. Boobs have the same issue

small lewd wip i'll be coloring soon

>>3816149
cause i'm blind.

I just got started on this one last night, but I fell asleep while sketching.

>>3816164
It's cute but your proportions are off. do some anatomy studies, and work on your forms.

>>3815888
god i wish that were me

>>3816048
Thanks for the input.

Anything for when I resume tomorrow?

>>3816174
What is wrong with his proportions?

>>3816392
The girl is around 6 heads and the guy around 6.5.

The whole picture is also in completely side view. Like, where the fuck is her second boob?

>>3816494
got lost tryin to do perspective stuff, will redo after i've been not awake for 34 hours hopef

>>3816580
You can get away with the boy's face, but that entire body has to go. Its way out of whack.

>>3816580
???

got lost tryin to freehand perspective stuff, will redo with actual perspective grid after i've been not awake for 34 hours hopef

>>3816583
i kno ;-;

>>3816587
Get some sleep bubbu. Hope you manage to fix it!

>>3816583
actually jus thought of way to maybe harvest it but got extremely important doc appointment tomorrow, need to shower an sleep, if you wanna yell suggestions or redlines at me tho i would actually love that, i kno i want bakugo to be holding a cellphone recording what's going on tho i think, maybe close mouth, make it a more cocksured smirk

>>3816586
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>3816592
thank you, i will try

>>3816587
Your anatomy simplification is really damn good. Why do you have to be gay tho?

>>3816619
maybe gay in a generalized sense but when it comes to people i don't really have a preference for one gender over another, i like boys, girls and whatever other elses, tho i do prefer when they're bigger than me an maybe have some muscles but that's about it. anything else is just self insert fodder so i end up drawing a lotta whatever, i just barley post anything lol. okay now i really need to lay down, my chest hurts which is maybe not good, hope you guys have good night

>>3816619
oh asd;lfj and thank you, i forgot to thank you for your compliment, apologies that was really rude ;-;

>>3816661
I find the way you draw faces really jarring. Why do they have furry muzzles?

>>3815984
It looks like different segment of the body are foreshorten differently resulting in them looking like they were in different scales. The legs looks really short relative to torso sort of jumps out at first glance.

Anyone here know some good tips or tutorials on how to draw convincing POV shots? I'm mainly talking about penetrator/male POV, but penetrated/female POV could be interesting too.

>>3815982
I am pretty sure they do it because it actually gets some reactions from people.

>>3815984
Will you finish this?

>>3816725
Photoref should be enough

>>3816494
His proportions are fine. You need to learn that art varies in style. Not to mention, this looks like a very rough sketch, and as an artist myself I can tell you right now this picture isn't even remotely close to what it's going to look like when it's done most likely. I can always tell when non-artists give constructive criticism. Cause they only sound like they know what they're talking about.

>>3816850
Ehhh it has some issues. The side view especially since it doesn’t seem like a stylistic or compositional choice, just that it’s all he could manage.

>>3816850
Yeah, you could make even 5 heads attractive if you stylize it good enough. But the question was about where they were off and both girl and boy are not 7.5 heads tall.

Rough sketches is also the phase where you want to establish perspective cause if you add details it would be harder to redo it all later.

Are there any artbooks that specifically deal in thick women? Are there any exercises I can do to get better at drawing big tits, ass, hips, thighs, and soft, trim waists on voluptuous forms?

>>3815984
Pretty cool.

>>3816372
Not him, but do Lash next.

>>3815888
Scanner not available. How is this milf bod?

Drawn on a whim from imagination.

I gotta go sleep for work so I'm gonna leave this here and come back to the comments later

Be as ruthless as you like, just be constructive :>

>>3817204
I'll never understand why newbies value the whole "drawn without ref/from imagination" meme

There's nothing shameless to look at ref when your visual library isn't that well defined yet.

Her tits are saggier than the eggplants that grow in my mom's backyard, you might want to

>>3816661
I really love the way you construct and plan out the forum. It always feel like it has more potential then the finish piece.
You do need to work on you anatomy, and foreshortening. Your figures always seem too stiff. Maybe experiment with the weight of the lineart? I feel the thick-bold lineart doesn't help make the picture feel more fluid, but makes it feel stiffer.
Like most people not a fan of your faces, especially profile-view, but it definitely makes your art recognizable as yours.

>>3815888
Anybody here tried uploading their art in pornhub?

>>3817322
That sounds awesome but do they accept loli / shota stuff?

>>3817390
If they did would you be ready to get riled on by disgusted normies that may get on your gallery?

>>3817390
No. Also, PornHub is VASTLY overrated.

>>3817390
No, thankfully they do not.

>>3817322
There is no art category. No dashboard. You can only create albums of atleast two images. Your drawing will be next to a collection of black penises. You are better off uploading art on Steam or create a thread on the official Neopets forum.

>>3817390
Pixiv does and hot damn do I love that site

Adding more gayness

making porn is easier said than done

>>3817390
I watch loli and shota stuff on there, but im pretty sure people will report it

>>3817390
No, but they still use the exploitation of thousands of men and women who will be scarred physically and mentally for the rest of their lives for profit, so there is that.

>>3817699
Yeah, it takes losing all plans for a creative and dignified career in the arts.

>>3817246
oh hey, something that can actually be helpful, thanks

no idea where this is going or what it's meant to be

>>3818017
AAAH! THAT HAND ANON. WHAT THE HECK.

>>3818019
Yeah I know

>>3818017
Cringey andrewcockroach face.

>>3818035
Reee you got it. Thanks

>>3818035
>Cringey andrewcockroach face
fuck man, it seems anything people dont like is "cringey", its fucking pathetic. i like andrewcockroachs art, and i hope you choke to death on that "cringe" you daft dipshit.

>>3817897
hideous, just stop

>>3817897
Looks good to me bro.

>>3818054

I did a value study. How does it look?

>>3818113
Looks rushed desu. How long did you spend on it?

>>3818115
Maybe an hour or 2? I didn't keep track of time.

>>3818113
the thumbnail is kino, its pretty good, but super soft. good for a value study i guess.

>>3817897
I think you should reduce or desaturate the red in her face a bit. Looks good otherwise.

>>3817246
You're wasting your time writing this. His shit hasn't changed in years. He never implements advice, and only uses the porn thread to post his same faced characters doing sick shit.

>>3817897
face too red

>>3818800
You fixed the head size really nice. However her torso is way too short.

>>3818842
The torzo is fine, its not unrealistic.
>>3818800
the hand is too big on the left arm though, either shrink it or extend the forearm

>>3818113
The cum needs to have shadows so that you can add highlights so it reads better that it's wet. It also seems to lack weight to it, you slightly attempted to follow the forum of the body. But that looks like after thought. It needs to ooze out and drag along the skin.

>>3818800
i think there is a disconnect betwen the upper and lower body

is there such thing as trad drawn porn?I wouldn't mind doing it for a quick buck, but fuck learning a new medium for aheago pics.

>>3818891
>The torzo is fine, its not unrealistic.
It's not comforming to general proportions and it pushes realism -a lot-.
Obviously I'm not saying short torsos like that don't exist irl, but they definitely don't fall in the appealing category.
You basically just expressed your personal opinion here. You like midget torsos, but that doesn't make that torso length fine. Not at all.

Excuse the messy state of the sketch and lack of effort. Would something like this be appealing? I was thinking of doing lewd VN for $$$. (Obviously leg is fucked, I'm aware.) How is this style in general? Would you pay money for something like this?
Never drawn porn before so idk what people can and can't fap to. I just need to find a way to pay rent.

>>3819056
its kind of hard to tell when it's this unfinished looking

>>3819108
I see, sorry, I'll come back when I have more finished stuff then. I think these will be 2 of the main characters (third will be a trap maybe?) and it can be sort of an erotic dating sim...I guess. Does that kind of thing sell? I really don't know what I'm doing and it'll take at least 2 months to make, probably.

>>3818892
How's This?

>>3816587
hmmm... is this a fanart piece?

>>3819659
This is great. How long do they take you to do?

>>3819678
I feel like you wouldn’t see as much of her head from that angle.

>>3819666
Hard to say since I tend to work on and off. I'm going to say between 2-4 hours, a lot of which is making minor adjustments over and over. The sketch probably took about 10 minutes.

>>3819712
Don't bother trying to help him. He doesn't listen to anyone.

>>3819712
good job anon but at this point >>3819678 is just spaming wips here.

like >>3820227 said, mcflintcock dosnt listen to anyone, he come here and literally post progress pics.

i know you are reading this, stop posting in the nsfw threads, you said you dont want to draw porn anymore, but here you are.

you will never fit on /ic/, isnt an elitist opinion, is because you refuse to erase a single part of your work and fix it because your ego keep telling you that your work is good, and im not saying is bad, but the real problem is that you seek aprovation. trying to understand what push you to keep doing this will drive anyone to madness.

this is not your personal blog, stop posting your "progress" in a critique board, stop posting """""""sexy""""""" pinups in a nsfw thread and for god sake, learn how anatomy works

>>3820251
I wish he'd listen to you.

If that's Flintcock I want to ask him if he'll draw a loli riding cock, for money

Does this pose work?

>>3820358
You're on /ic/ why don't you fucking study and draw it yourself?

>>3820251

Is that avatar image a representation of your work? If so, fix that shoddy form up with some drawabox.

>>3820324
About as much substance as a Kit Kat.

>>3820358
Before NoFap: Double the normal cost ("Yikes! Tax), if generous.

After: No

>>3818842
i made her torso a bit larger, but dont know about the head size, i feel it a bit small.

>>3818909
i fix it? i think the problem was the rib cage.

>>3820519
forgot the pic

>>3820468
Because I hurt my hand at work and can't draw for a while.

>>3820472
Wait, so you would do it or not?

>>3820520

>>3820545
There were two reasons I implemented the tax.

>>3820602
Right, but you'll actually do loli porn?

>>3820617
>After NoFap: No

Translation: Not On Your Life.

>>3820726
Why not just say yes or no?

>>3818800
I wanted in on the meme. Gave my take on it, cause BOY, is she gonna fall over or what.

>>3820741
I did the first time.

>>3816661
requesting Andrew Loomis raping the ever loving shit out of nigger Goblino, pulling his head down and smashing his face onto the beginnings of the "Fun with a Pencil" pages; with his face crying in pain and burning from the holy pages like a demon. His tutorial heads also help to gangbang the creature with the blue fundamental sphere (its next to loomis on the ref) cutting off his testicle tumors. Feel free to guro all you can.

>>3819678
Her legs are fucking midget size.

>>3817221
anon what book is this I need it ;-;

Guys I need tips for promoting my stuff. How can I get more eyes on it? Gain some followers, watchers and maybe even patrons?

>>3821153
Post on as many sites as you can. Constantly promote your stuff. Draw fan art sometimes, not too much though or you'll end up with a hollow fan base. Make sure you tag things properly too!
I can't be too sure though on how to help you unless you post your art or blog. Oh, and having blogs on many sites would be good too.

>>3817658
something about that butthole doesnt feel right.Looks more like a slit than a butthole

>>3817221
There is value in it because training your imaginative drawing/drawing from your brain is much more difficult than simply looking at something and being a photocopier.
It's also much harder to practice even if you're a professional level artist.

Someone who is good at drawing without reference will be good at drawing with reference.

Someone who is good at drawing with reference isn't always good without it (and in fact can be lost).

See: Prokopenko

>>3820764
any advice on footing?

>>3816083
something about that dick popping out feels off like the dick isn't apart of the beast. I could be wrong about this.

>>3821388
I'm not that Anon, but when balancing a figure I always try to draw some kind of line from the top to bottom of the figure indicating where the weight is being balanced.

>>3817322
I've had a pornhub account for a while but I haven't posted anything there yet. I'm waiting till I have work that's more geared towards porn to start posting.

>>3818113
thumbnails nicely, but some things feel outlined especially upclose. keep it up thuogh

>>3818800
FUCK YEAH!
>>3819659
god bless you
got a blog?

So where's everyone post their smut now that pretty much every mainstream website is being censored to hell? Pixiv? I've been out of the loop awhile.

>>3818800
Contact info for commissions?

>>3822099
I use Pixiv, I hear you can on Twitter too.

>>3822100
https://twitter.com/RonmeruArt

>>3821537
It's because it tappers back down near where the pussy is, making it look like the base of the cock is not as far back as it should be. It looks like it's coming out of her because it's drawn as though it is. The lines should be straightened out more I believe, to make it appear as though it's just a really long one.

>>3822099
>pixiv
>newgrounds ( allows everything but baby shit, keeps your image at 100% the original size, no compression)
>twitter ( compresses image but crowds of millions)
>pornhub ( there's an image tab)
>patreon ( you can use it as an art sharing platform and a tip jar if you arrange it in a way)
>discord ( if you are a part of a community or manage one yourself)
>rule 34 ( straight to the source)

So, in no particular order, I found a LOT of mistakes in your work that you could REALLY benefit from you changing before calling this work finished, if that at all.

From left to right, which by the way, I flipped your work to see if that helped fix any of the anatomical mistakes as far as the body length was concerned, but sadly, it didn't:

Why is there a highlight coming up from her left foot, when you've clearly established the light source being behind her on the wall in the picture? Why is there any light source reflecting on her ass and on the bottom of her thighs, and on the back of her right calf, for that matter? And why does there seem to be a hard cut edge from light source to shadow on the right side of her body like that? Why is the left hand drawn in so crudely? Why is there such a line tangent going up from the armpit line? Why do the dog tags seem farther back into the background than them actually hanging off her neck, which also calls to the attention, where does her neck start and end? Why did you draw the hair with no tension brought down on it from the force of the bandanna wrapped around her head? And seeing as how our light source is established above and behind her, why does her face have highlight features on it, especially under the hair to the right side of her face, and across the bridge of her nose? And why does the light source seem to glow off the wall like that when it's nowhere near the halogen stick?

I'm sure you can answer these questions promptly, and change the work accordingly as well, I hope. This, doesn't seem to be the kind of work you want to showcase having it riddled with mistakes like that and so close to it being finished.

>>3822652
>nitpicking
Looks like flinstone is GMI.
If he loosened up the figures, more appealing faces and appealing colour work then he’s sorted.

>>3822652
more than one light source?

>>3822659
How long did it take you to do all these ?

>>3822659
Very nice line control and appealing shapes. You only need to improve your proportions and hands/feet.
You're on the right track as this is something you will get better at while you draw. Just use references when you draw hands and feet and you should be good.

>>3816151
it wouldn't be that drastic of a difference lmao.

hey there anon

>>3820251
Idk if he just doesn't understand the feedback or isn't sure how to fix them?? I think he should slow it down on the uploads and fix the big problems on his drawings when they are pointed out.

>>3816151
the one that's further away is bigger though?

>>3818104
You spam your images way too much. You do this in discord all the time too. Just fucking post it once when it's done, no one on this planet wants to see 50 progress images. No one cares nearly as much as you do.

>>3822656
Its not nitpicking. Anon brought up some logical points.

>>3822680
So you're saying a direct light source, for example, could be coming from below her on the table to just only put light on her foot and calf?

Flintcock's sketches looks nice, especially recently, but once he gets to lining, his work become stiff and overdetailed due to his lack of ability in appeal and anatomy. The best way to put it, when he draws something like a limb for example, he draws a shoulder, glues a cylinder as the upper arm to it, then glues another cylinder as the forearm and so on. Everything is cylinders to him.

>>3823189
I would actually like to see him draw something more mechanical. And probably without rendering. Just with lines and maybe a little more distinctive line weight. Power armour, robots, mecha and so on.

>>3823195
This. Flintcock is a pretty good draftsman but he just doesn't have the expressiveness and looseness to make appealing figure drawings.

>>3822404
>direct posting to rule34
based.

>>3822656
>GMI
Gonna make it more unappealing if that artist doesn't correct those mistakes, plus the ones you backpacked on.
>>3822680
From where? The only light source I see is the one in the picture coming from behind the mundane on-modeled character. Can you dream up light sources too, and if so, can you teach me how to do that? lol
>>3822879
I don't think that artist knows how to fix his mistakes once they're so dedicated and drawn on the work, which is very sad considering you want to learn how to GET better by learning FROM your mistakes, and not having to repeat them so consistently in your work.
>>3823015
Scrub beginners do that a lot in order to fool themselves into thinking they're getting better, when in reality they're only getting worse. But by that account, everyone who posts their work in this thread suffers from that disability. You'd be hard pressed to trace these threads back for more than say, half a year, and see that no one on these particular porn threads has got any better, though they upload their work so consistently like they have.

It's my opinion that some of these artists just upload their work for no other reason but to have it mocked at with full prejudice, really. If there were any real importance set on developing their skills, you wouldn't run into the same mistakes, i.e. uploaded work, again and again.

Finished this one last night, tried playing a little more risky with angles, but in turn it didn't turn out as nice as I initially envisioned. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated

(Some parts that I spent a little too much time on was her flashing arm and her butt & legs, so I know I struggled there at least)

Hey I like Shorts. This is a goth short.

I have absolutely no idea what to do with the hands, so I just blotted them in. Assuming she is sitting and using her hand to balance, would the hand need to be shown from that angle? also If someone could redline the breasts that would be good, they look very wrong.

>>3823466
shit no picture

ATTENTION:

PORN

ISNT

ART

>>3822659
Hips look wonky, little sense of form or mass aka pretending contours make a drawing and can sub as anatomy knowledge, misshapen ass on top center, and her eyes look hollowed out in every panel giving her a creepy doll look. Needs Loomis

>>3823387
No sense of mass or form, shaky lines all over the place, one tone shading that looks scribbled in without regard for the form. Needs drawabox badly.

>>3823468
Are those cancerous tumors her ears?

Anyways, breasts overlap the thighs, four digit toes, her upper half is about a fourth or a fifth of a head short than from her hips down, and more I look the sicker I get.

Drawabox.

>>3823471
This.

>>3822712
Any tips for measuring proportions in recumbent positions? I always have trouble with it. Also, know any good resources for feminine hands and feet? I have big gorilla hands, so referencing my own is a no go.

>>3822808
hey

cute stuff man

>>3823531
At least one thing's for sure, the artists you mentioned in your reply have a chance to fix their mistakes and accurately learn from them; their minds and their ability to draw still extremely pliable and welcome to change.

For those of you artists who were given this critique, know that when given a critique of their own >>382265, some artists will lash out at what they feel, are lesser artists, in their own critique in order to feel superior again, but know that you too, can learn from that critique given to the artist, as your inside track guide to gaining a better understanding of your work, therefore giving YOU the advantage you need in order to make your work better.

>>3823700
Oops, I quoted the wrong reply. Sorry about that, here you go: >>3822652

Learn from these mistakes. You'll be glad you did.

>>3815888
sauce of that pic?

>>3823704
I drew it specifically for the porn thread. Though, I am working on a comic involving ash.
http://www.marmalademum.com/pokiemen-shota-league-all-pages/

>>3823718
Carry on, senpai

>>3823189
Looks like the box it meant to be metallic so it could be reflected light or something just to the left of the viewpoint.

here guys...have a doodle

>>3823700

They'll have to decide.

Porn consumption also has a way of decaying that pliability, impede progress, and concentration. Most of the porn artists they idolize first built their fundamentals, then transferred into drawing porn.
As their work stands, they'll have to invest in a significant effort in fundamental shapes and basic anatomical construction.

See picture attached for a significant improvement in the artist's rendering technique. Link to the post below:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/1hlrxa/my_artwork_before_and_after_starting_nofap/


>>3823541
Use Quickposes' "Timed Practice" section and do gesture drawings and long studies of full body poses, portraits, hands, feets, etc.

As for proportions for tough poses in perspective, I recommend studying Robert Beverley Hale's cranial unit method. A quick way to get used to the method is to draw a couple character turn arounds. Then, challenge yourself by doing another set in perspective.

>>3823531
When you say little sense of form or mass, should I be doing something like this as my first step?

>>3823700
I don't mind the harsh feedback. I just want to learn and get better.

>>3823815
Thanks for the tips. I've done timed quickposes before, but probably not enough.

>>3823700
>>3822652
>Light source
Second array of lights from behind.

>hard shadow cast from her ass to her hips

Explained above.

>Hands
They need tweaks; honestly, I'm surprised since I dislike the right even more.

>dog tags

Chain rolls up the neck. Feel the back of your neck, where the bumps of the spine are.

>halogen glow on the support beams
Fixed.

>>3819712
Your construction is off. The ribcage doe snot end at the breasts. Think of it as an egg that tapers at the top, with the top and aout one fifth of the bottom cut out. Then, mold it accordingly.

whenever i draw a girl in this pose, she always ends up looking like a midget. im thinking about redrawing her completely. can i get any tips before i start?

>>3823815
You are right, I think they WILL decide on bettering their ability over that artist whose critique was apparently spot on, and whom has decided to fall uncharacteristically silent on any kind of response whatsoever! Maybe the reluctance to respond is in part of a bruised ego. ha ha

>As their work stands, they'll have to invest in a significant effort in fundamental shapes and basic anatomical construction.
Nothing a few months of practice can't fix. I think your tone of dreadful, aching backpacking with little items through the Alps is unreasonable.

>>3823909
No your construction is off. You illustrated a shoulder coming out the side of the rib cage and you wouldn’t see that much of the face unless her neck was growing out her shoulder.

>>3823909
Also the space between the rib cage and hips shouldn’t be a mile long, they are actually very close. You drew them way too far apart.

>>3823914
Contact for commissions?

>>3823909
See how her face is further back? use ref next time lol

>>3823801
Pretty nice, except the left arm - it's fucked up and too short. T-Rex would be proud.

>>3823881
This construction too lacks weight. Why are her butt cheeks not squished by the table? What the fuck is wrong with her left foot? The position of body itself is too symmetrical, you can especially see it on how boobs lay on her ribcage, it needs at least some bend or twist to make it not look so mechanical.

>>3823928
Bending over with the head nearly touching the crate = / = Arching her back while lifting her head up.

The woman in your photo aslo has very similar proportions and perspective, so congrats for demonstrating the accuracy.

>>3823923
>>3823922
From the top of the head to the tip of the pelvis's wings, its five cranial units.

Congrats for helping a happier commissioner with the shoulder. She''ll appreciate it.

>>3823928
that's not advice, anon

>>3824112
Thank you senpoi. I see the error in my ways, Although, I'm not sure if I'm fixing them the right way. I'll spend some time on doing exercises on quickposes.

>>3824181
You seem to be really scared to push the pose. On one hand yeah, that could make it unrealistic, on the other it looks weak. Compare. You almost never want these lines to be parallel as long as you are implying some kind of action.

This guy is a degenerate and screws anatomy but his action and poses are top notch.

>>3823921
>response

Scroll up.

>Few months

Unlikely, without some serious work on their proportions, gesture, perspective, and construction.

>>3824241
>those feet and hands
HOLY FUCK thanks for the good laugh

>>3824123
>Bending over with the head nearly touching the crate = / = Arching her back while lifting her head up.
You're right, if her head was lower it'd be even more behind her shoulder. The perspective is nearly identical, that doesn't give you teh excuse of giving her a giraffe neck.

>>3824301
Even the dragon has the same face.

I know I still need a lot of work in general but my pics used to be way too stiff and uninteresting and I am trying to work on making them look more lively and fun to look at.
Any tips on how I could make things less stiff and more fun and bouncy looking?
Thanks

>>3824324
You could start by studying the fundies.

>>3824324
try to ref off poses like this to understand why something looks the way that it does. Use real poses,build construction and overlay muscles
Its good to start with a good gesture pose

>>3824123
Your Anatomy is still GARBAGE

imagination jank, fun pose though

>>3824319
you're right

>>3824412
Yeah, nice pose. Though her boobs do some strange things to gravity.

>>3818800
why is she standing on her toes?

Sometimes, when I find something I quite like made by other artists, I edit it to fit my liking more...

>>3824571
Did you make her fat?

>>3824585
*Curvaceous
please...

>>3823387
Is it okay if I get some real help instead of just being told what I drew is bad? I know it's bad. I'm still starting out and have just started drawing again this year after a 3 year hiatus, and am trying to improve.

>>3824681
If you don't mind, I'd like to help.

I'm new to digital art and I'd like some advice on painting, i'm using firealpaca. also what do you think about lineart and proportions?

>>3824734
i wanna point out that i want to paint over the lineart at the end, i realise some parts are fked up but when it's finished you won't be able to see them

>>3823801
do you have a blog

>>3824727
Did you even read what I said? I said I'm asking for help, not giving it. If I need help then I wouldn't know what needs fixing so you're asking the wrong person. Please don't just (you) the last person that posted to get an earlier response.

>>3824800
I do. just type 'daijouVU' on your search engine of choice. you'll find all my stuff except maybe tumblr.

Looking for critique. Reference loosely followed.

>>3824810
Did you read what I wrote. I want to help you. I posted some of my work to show you weren't getting baited.

If you don't need help, that's fine. Good luck on your work. Take it easy.

>>3824858
Make lines for the brow/eyes/nose and mouth to better map it to the face.
Her face is too low. And her right arm is a bit too stubby (thin/short).

>>3824571
pretty good

>>3824611
No, she's just a gross pig now.

>>3824611
I think you made a milf look more believable. Just not in an anime sense. And that's ok.
Help, I can't into two people interacting with eachother.

>>3825001
Heck.
I am incredibly sorry, you are 100% right.
I'm sorry I've been in a very rough spot mentally, physically, and financially and it's really been messing with me and I've been trying to draw to keep my mind off things.
I misread what you wrote as "If you don't mind I would like your help" instead of "to help"

Again, I'm sorry I took out some of my stress out on you. I was still a little turned away from the previous person that replied to my post.

Playing with perspective again, proportions are hard.

>>3825183
Try placing your subjects in cubes set on a grid to help you 'cheat' with perspective (I know you deleted it, probably because you saw some flaw). Looks goof for the most part, but it seems you jumped right on ahead without any real construction.

>>3825197
Thanks, and yeah haha. Have you got any images as an example for cubes on a grid? Keen to play with this stuff

>>3825203
Only thing on hand, but same principles apply. Depending where you want your subjects to be, on what level of plane. Practice using a vanishing point.

>>3825212
Cheers I’ll tighten things up. That scaling of the center cube looks handy, wouldn’t of thought to do it myself.

>>3824571
tried the same out of boredom

for an anon in the /v/ drawthread

>>3825276
>that dick
>those proportions
there are somethings you cant fix.

>>3825285
I would have had to redraw the entire picture o fix some of the problems but i wasn't planning on committing that much effort.

>>3825283
>3head
>huge eyes
>huge irises
>huge pupils
>eye shape is as if facing completely forward
>realistic sense of eye style but no thickness to the lids. If you're going to go as far as to detail tear ducts, don't skip out on the rest of the anatomy
>eyes too highs up
>tumblr nose
>concave jaw
>forehead sticks out on the side

This is all really simple stuff you can fix. Good luck with your art anon!

>>3825289
Well you made the expressions better and you made the pose more interesting in the first panel.

>>3825304
thx.
ended up just slapping a bunch of filters on an this is the end result. didnt see your post until i was finished tho

>>3825418
I recommend saving it and applying bit to future pieces! I'm glad you appreciated it. :^)

>>3824123
Notice how the lower part of her shirt is only about an inch deep, its circling around the lower end of the rib cage, compare that to where the shoulder is. Shoulders coming out the fucking side of her and her head is still on a completely different plane than her neck. Your stiff robot anatomy is letting you down.

>>3825466
So sick of these redlines that change the pose into something the redliner knows how to draw, rather than the pose that is there.

>>3825474
No, I can draw someone with a decapitated head sitting on their shoulder. I just know that it’s retarded that’s all.

>>3825304
Man i disagree with most of it.

>>3825475
fair enough, i agree with you, could've tilted the ribcage towards the camera though. Face hiding is no bueno.

>>3825476
Genuinely curious what you find wrong with it. I would also like to see your work just so I know whether I should take your concerns seriously or not.
I used to draw like OP and I also did the correction for him. He seems stuck between styles desu.

I'm not sure if the background style matches the character but I'm trying.

>>3825513
it do

>>3825486
What’s worse than face hiding is trying to force it all into the same composition. That’s how you end up with retarded anatomy like that.

>>3825080
Cool. No blood, no foul. I'll help however I can.

After a three year hiatus, you're going to find drawing a LOT harder to pick up again, not to mention you have a lot of shit going on in real life that's going to draw you away from any real practice you'll want to do, and that's fine. Priorities first, remember that. This includes your health and financial situation. Handle these problems first, if you can.

Looking back at your art, and it looks like you tried to draw this from imagination; there are issues like the neck being thick, the shoulders looking stiff like if they're shrugging, the way the folds on the fabric of the shirt being pulled down don't look right, the breasts looking more like implants even though you're giving us this indication that she exercises, the hands not having the kind of form they need to look...like hands, the six pack looking more like a toomah and the legs angled and foreshortened incorrectly but hey, after three years of not drawing, that's to be expected.

What I would do, if I were you, would be to leave this drawing as is, and draw something else. Leave this one as your visual examples of what NOT to do in your next piece. Once you're done with that drawing, draw something else. Once you've got say, five or six drawing again under your belt, look back at this drawing and see what you've improved on, now that you know where your mistakes are.

Use reference. Practice. But above everything else, take care of what's going on around you, first. Priorities first.

>>3825466
Nice critique. Spot on.

more imagination crap. Might focus on drawing appealing things for a while

>>3817204
dude i love that. More?

>>3825615
i like your lines

>>3825615
that leg doesnt look good

>>3825513
I would even go as far as to remove the lineart from the background completely.
This is great. It has really nice classic anime vibes all over it. And with those usually the backgrounds are painted in a more watercolor style, while the characters (or stuff that gets animated in general) are cell shaded lineart drawings.
Keep it up man, your stuff is really good and improving.

>>3825466
Great redline and critique. GG.

>>3825684
That's because they use the sketchy multiple lines approach. This is a trick which involves your mind picking the lines you find most appealing.
It's why most artist (especially beginners) have appealing sketches, while their lineart is stiff and unconvincing.

>>3825022
The worst possible thing is not to draw both figures in the thumbnail stage. Watch out for that in your next piece.

Try to think of both as one, only that way the interaction between them will be fluid. The other arm might be grabbing her throat, hair or reaching out for her right hand, dunno.

>>3825772
>doing two people at the same time
Ooof, well that's true. Gonna have to adjust and buckle down for practice. Thank you.

I also have version with much larger tits.
still cleaning and fixing this up i know i need to fix the foot as well.
anything else about it?

>>3825774
It's much easier than squeezing in another character as an afterthought.
Something like this would do

>>3825790
I think what intimidates me is just positioning with posing. How do they interact, how do we show them interacting on the same plane. Granted I did a basic pic with no real perspective at play but still I wish there was an exercise to correct this.

>>3825747
no thats not really what i mean, i liked the forms he was making not the line quality

>>3825615
the heels you drew are too small man

been working on my foreshortening but it seems kinda midgety. Any suggestions?

>>3825892
one more if you see what i mean

what do you think of this style?

>>3825930
fleshed out, cute and warm are the words I'd use.

>>3825930
Uncanny cross between chink eyes and white girl botox cocksucking lips. The asians use anime stylisation for a reason, it’s an idealisation of Asian features.

>>3824858
What program is this?

>>3825930
Reminds me of Samuel Youn.

The facial features look good, but everything else needs to be polished. Fix the thick sketchy outlines on her arm/ear and the uneven brushwork in her hair and it might look bloody amazing in the end

>>3825845
then say that instead of "I like your lines", dumbass.

>>3815888
How do I get lines like this on Sai? Whenever I try to use thicker lines it never nicely thins down like that and it's too soft.

>>3826420
marker tool and mess around with the settings. It's also multiple strokes and erasing too.

with or without cock?

>>3826525
Post both, people have different tastes. Incase does that often.
Make up looks better on the left.

I wanted to study OP pic and ended up with this. Would you jack off to it if there was a carousel of dicks aimed in her general direction

>>3825513
I like how cohesive your style is. It's not easy to do cast shadows of leaves without making it look like shite

>>3826562
resized, sorry

>>3826562
>>3826565
the flow in your anatomy an general style is gorgeous, do you post online anywhere?

>>3824412
Shit nigger, that's not bad. Nice volume.

Drew this for a kind fella who helped me find an anime

Is there any guide for starting getting comissions and actually get some cash drawing porn/furry once you're good?

>>3823914
Compare the size of her arms/shoulders/head against her legs. There's a huge different there and it doesn't make sense really. If you were trying to go for an extreme perspective shot, the rest of the image doesn't show that so it makes it look like she's a t rex.

With that said though, I personally love that image and don't think you should redraw it. Just consider it next time maybe.

>>3825599
First of all, I want to thank you so much for understanding. Was in a car accident, which totaled my car, so I'm in pain physically, been out of work for several weeks now because of it so I'm struggling financially, and with being out of a car is causing several other things to spiral out of control which is draining me mentally.
In short I've not had the best start to the year. Been handling the problems as they come by, and then giving myself a break whenever I have time for leisure, and I've been focusing on my art to hopefully open up commissions again to help with my financial issues right now.

Yes, you'd be correct that I didn't use a full reference, which admittedly I should have since anatomy is really not my strong suit. I did however look up some similar poses, to try to help with the position that I wanted to draw, but I couldn't find one that was this specific pose. I also was kind of sleep deprived at the time of drawing this one, but I did an earlier SFW piece the other day with the same character where I wasn't focusing as much, but on the other hand did turn out slightly better in pic related. Broad shoulders have always been a weakness of mine and I can't seem to stop drawing them, so tips on how to break that habit would be appreciated as well.

I have done a few other pieces this year, since I made it my New Year's Resolution to draw more, but this one definitely turned out much worse than my others, which is why I seeked help on it, which you did provide, and I am definitely grateful for it.

But yeah, in short my takeaway from this is
1. Use a reference
2. Keep proportions realistic
3. Draw more and pay attention to the base piece and look to improve at least one thing from my last drawing and then compare to this one
4. Use a flipping reference

Progress update.

Touched up the rendering to better convey that she's tilting her upper body.

>>3825466
Double down on your gesture drawings, and you'll work your way up from Babby's First Figure Drawing Construction.

>>3827082
What the hell is going on with her big toe?

>>3827082
>neck still a mile long
>weird growth out of shoulder
>looks at redline of PERSPECTIVE and starts talking about CONSTRUCTION like a confused moron
You’re one to talk about construction. You fucked it all up trying to make everything visible at once. Forced the head out of wack and now youre too stubborn to accept that you made a monumental /beg/ mistake.

>>3827082
at this point i feel like your biggest problem is speed

>>3827082
Also her eyes are uneven.

degen artist looking for degen followers
twitter.com/molasteak

>>3827087
Stray line. Fixed it up a tad. Thank you.

>>3827089
>neck

You can rest your chin on your bicep. Move your head down and turn to your left or right.

>weird growth

It's called a deltoid. Are you complaining about the middle head or the rear?

>red line of PERSPECTIVE

It's /beg tier construction on display. You chose an easy top down angle and you couldn't even pull the slightest hint of gesture or flow.

>>3827090
My biggest problem is not enough time between family obligations, upcoming ob interviews (half the staff was laid off), face time with local stores, boxing training, and art commissions.

>>3827091
I think it's her left eye that's causing problems. I'll fix that in a bit. Thanks!

>>3827170
You can but its extremely awkward and still looks nothing like what you painted. If she was doing that how come her head isn’t tilted back? This is what happens when you focus on your rigid robot anatomy. You have the wives of the neck all wrong.
You still don’t understand my redline. I chose a top down to illustrate the line of sight on the pose that you drew, not to correct your robot construction you moron. Christ on a bike youre ignorant. All construction no depth, no perspective and no flow. Enjoy your retarded isometric porn with tacked on head.

>>3827170
Also, look at reference of real people instead of your overdone, over complicated construction formulas because then you wouldn’t put muscles where they don’t belong. You clearly don’t understand how they compress or stretch and your just inserting them into vague places where you believe they go.

>>3827170

>>3827227
>>3827230
I have several more at different angles.

>>3827221
>perspective

Uh huh.

>flow

Go on.

>depth

Oh, this will be good. Please demonstrate how your redline demonstrates any of these. Start there, and we'll work our way to eke out any substance from...whatever passes for a critique out of you.

>>3827221
Just because you want the head titled back does not mean diddly squat. This was the pose the commissioner wanted.

Just tilt to the side a bit while in this position and you'll distribute enough weight to avoid discomfort.

Second, you notice how the way the heads of the deltoid attach to the shoulder blade in each image?

Whoops, forgot it.

>>3827281

My bad.

>>3827284
Yeah it does not stick out how you drew it, especially if the base of her neck was dipping below her shoulders. You dont understand movement or compression and just put the muscles vaugely where you believe they should be on your robot anatomy figure.

Again, you dont understand my redline, at this point im starting to believe youre deliberately avoiding the subject of perspective because I CLEARLY showed how youre wrong.
Imagine if this woman was looking straight on how you described lol. Are you Egyptian? Because you’re in denial.

>>3827301
The head in the bottom right is facing the wrong way dickhead

>>3825892
>>3825896
Scott Robertson How to Draw. Perspective and boxes are your friends.

>>3827309
True, somehow the forehead would be tilted even more towards the viewer as if that was possible. Some kind of owl anatomy.

>>3827281
Welcome to wrongsville, population - you.
Can you stop lying to yourself and everyone else now?

>>3827329
You’re stuggling with 3D space still

>>3827341
Fucking lmao. Looking cute

>>3827301
>Bottom right hand pic
I raff, I rost. Good one.

>>3827341
Well played, anon. Well played.

>>3827341

>>3827341
based

>>3827301
Oh dear God...projection, the post right here.

You failed to demonstrate flaws in perspective in your sketch you pretend to a redline. You project your failure convey movement with a stiff, hasty construction devoid of any personality. It's literally the most basic bitch shot done by virtually every aspiring porn artist at some point.

You admitted the pose I painted was doable, mulling not only your sole perspective argument, but the foundation of this amateur hour. I'll add if you shift your weight over bit and balance your weight through your arms, it's quite comfortable.

Every I have talked to acknowledges the recent revisions demonstrate the tilt and twist of her torso, to accomodate her weight. And yes, I demonstrated the heads of the deltoid compressing to show her weight is distributed on that side. Something you cannot acknowledge to yourself, for some strange reason.

Let's take it step by step.

Get into the plank position. Lower your head just enough to be comfortable; raise your shoulders just a tad. Tilt and then turn to the right or left, and place your chin on your bicep. Shift your weight just a tad and you'll be fine.

Work out the stiffness in your construction. I advise against using isometric ovals in place of limbs.

Then maybe next time, some salty /beg tier amateur will resort to shitty Photoshops for an ego boost against you.

>>3827364
>>3827341
I guess you cant stop lying..

>>3827281
Damn, get schooled on the pose, and with a GUY doing it! >>3827341

Second reference for your sake.

>>3827341
Lower your head and neck, tilt and turn to the the side, and rest your chin on your bicep.

>>3827364
>criticizing a redline for being hasty
You still dont understand why I did an overhead version of your pose. It wasn’t to be some masterpiece you moron, it was to show your massive perspective fuckup that you refuse to fix.

>>3827374
You can't fool him into breaking his neck you tard

Second reference for the shoulder. Notice the shoulder blade and how its raised.

>>3827341
Lower your head and neck, tilt and turn to the the side, and rest your chin on your bicep.

>>3827378
>>3827379

>>3827341
You, dear sir, just won the internet. Based.

Flinstones, please stop replying and fix that head. You are the ONLY person defending your artwork in here.
That head is misplaced. Period.

>>3827377
Which you failed to demonstrate. Repeatedly.

The person who posted his image? Torso straight (crunch towards one side), even distribution of weight on both forearms, head turned but not lowered to rest on the bicep (you can even rest your head on your forearm while in this position).

>>3827379
Notice how in order to raise said shoulder blades up in the air, her ARMS have to be CLOSE together. How can your drawing do that when the arms are drawn APART?

Answer that one, genius.

>>3827379
Yeah I tried, I cant put my head at the angle that you did, if i jut my chin out to do it, you can see up my nostrils and that’s about it. I’m pretty loose and go to the osteopath monthly so you cant blame my neck. IF you want to face the camera at the angle your picture is, you cant do it.
Go on, prove you can, take a picture and post it. I did.

While we are here, notice how you fucked up the angle on your ass and rib cage. You did a worms eye view yet they are both almost flat to the viewer. Notice how on my photo the right butt cheek is lower in the perspective? You have so much trouble with 3D space still, /beg/.

>>3827388
See:

>>3827388

>>3827341

Follow the instructions and work the pose proper.

>>3827379
The shoulder blade isn't round, like you drew it there. What you drew looks like her shoulder, not the scapula. That's why the deltoid looks like a deformation.
Stop defending your artwork and fix it . If that's even your intention of course.

>>3827082
I don't even come here often and I've seen this artwork like eight times. Why don't you just accept that this one artwork is not perfect and do something new? You'll improve more by doing more different drawings than just trying to fix one drawing over and over. You clearly have potential. Make more art and stop beating off over this one chick's feet.

>>3827391
Easy. Pull your shoulders back and squeeze your traps. You can do it with your arms in a close and far position.

>>3827392

That's why you turn and lower your upper body and first. I'm not to blame for your carelessness.

Note the the perspectives lines of the crate line with the upper body, while her ass is turned to the viewer.

Look at any pose you find on Quickposes. None of them deliberately align their posture along the guardrails.

>Flat to the viewer

Show.

>>3827396
>shoulder blade is round

Okay, now we're going places. The tilt makes this difficult because of the layers of muscles and fat and how the shoulder blade is attached to the back of the ribcage. If you have a reference, as I described or at least partway, I'll begin the corrections and keep it for reference for the future.

>>3827412
Finishing it Wednesday or Thursday, along with two other commissions, then moving to next on the wait list. The sketches have already been approved.

>>3827422
Camera does not lie and neither did I. Also the head is HUEG compared to the photo. You’re polishing a turd and you should have corrected it days ago. Now youre fucked and your comission has a wonky head on it. It’s too late to go back and rather than admit it youre firmly denying a reality that’s unpleasant for you to accept. Not only do you fail at an atomic perspective but also at basic human developmental behaviour LOL.

>>3827433
Anatomic perspective*

>>3827433
>you can't fix it lol!

Oof.

Everything is on a separate layer. A correction is as easy as going to the prerequisite layer folders and making the corrections (group selection, lasso tool, etc.) That is what I did to correct the torso, and that is what I will do to correct the right leg.

Digital media is incredibly flexible with this sort of thing.

Now work your ass proper for the world and do the pose. I gave you the instructions.

>>3826590
Flattered.
Sorry, I don't, just /ic/ for now. You might know my ladybug drawing or the princess with a lolipop comic.

>>3827449
>he thinks an entirely fucked up pose can be fixed with layers

>>3827467
>he thinks the pose is impossible
>hurts his neck because he doesn't turn his body for the camer

I struggle a lot with back shots, ass, and profile views, any tips anyone can give me, its mostly during the construction phase, I can't seem to visualy the lower torso and back well. I suspect I need to do more anatomy studies for the back.

>>3827452
i don't know the lollipop comic but if you drew the ladybug drawing i think you did you also gave me some great feedback on anatomical flow on a buff horse dude drawing early last year of which i'd like to thank you! it really helped me a lot with my work nwn

>>3827496
You still haven’t proven it is and youre still the only person claiming it is possible. It’s quite obvious that its because youre in denial that you fucked up.

>>3827522
Just use references.

>>3827496
The head position is impossible, yeah.
As for the shoulders placement you are so desperate to sell us, that's just super uncomfortable.

Bottom line is that her pose looks stiff and unappealing.
You, as an artist, should strive to create appealing and believable poses that don't look uncanny. Here you miserably failed. And that's all that matters.
Stop trying to convince everyone the pose is good, when everyone is telling you it looks off.

>>3827632
thats what I do tho

>>3827341
This better be the next porn thread image

>>3827675
I would be proud.

>>3827545
Oh yea, I remember that one, something about designing your shapes better. You've got some serious skill, keep at it

>>3827635
Redraw them better then.

>>3826055
>>3825747
>>3825684
>>3825845
hobo btfo

>>3827886
What did you even mean to say with this? Please remember to take your autism pills before you interact with people online.

>>3818800
don't you think you should add some muscle definition to her legs if you're going to make her upper body super ripped?

>>3827565
Hint: follow the instructions. I'll add a note she pulls back her right arm and pulls in her left knee a tad for support. Take some time to find the right balance as you tilt and turn your body to the camera (or shift your way towards it; whatever works for you) and you'll be able to ease any stress.

>>3827634

See above.

Second, don't do it on a narrow bench.

self portrait

Y'all losing time with mcflintcock, but no one understand whats going on.

This retard will never listen to any type of critique, because he thinks that his art is superior, in his mind he is the equivalent of an old master and y'all are just stupid kids trying to understand how magnificent he is.

but then, there is the fact that this retard half trace everything he do. "how can you half trace????" well, what he do is tracing a big part of the piece, mostly parts that he dont understand. then the shit starts, he try to add the other parts of the body by himself, fucking everything he can, this with 2 purposes, 1. is not get caught tracing and 2. telling himself that he dont need to trace everything.

He dont really care about the critique or what he can fix, he thinks this is just another social media where he can just post his shit that is always anatomically wrong and colors saturated without any sense of shadows and without dignity he will defend anything he do, he will break bones, rip muscles with the only purpose of showing (you) that he is right.

tl;dr: mcflintcuck just want atenttion because he is losing his fanbase.

>>3828225
you need to be able to write in english to post on this website

>>3828076
He should also add toes, lineart, color, shading, lighting, a background..such laziness.

Not feeling the left cross yet..

>>3828241
Park that BS in the nearest trash bin where it belongs.

>>3828225
Nah, I just wanted to bust balls.

Plot twist: folks on HF gave some great suggestions, like pulling back her hair back and have it wrap around behind the back of her neck (a bit of her trapezius as well).

Shout out to Thot-kun. Thanks for the new thread's profile picture.

>>3827076
I apologize. My behavior was that of a wild boor; there's no excuse.

You got it all down. My suggestion is to start some proportions studies with the head length method and Robert Beverley Hale's cranial unit method.

This videos will help you so much in building your sense of depth and perspective. They're easy to start off a day towards learning how to construct complex shapes in three dimensions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAlCyQqEZSU

When you're ready, post them here.

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask us.

-Hardstones McFlintcock

putting this one down for tonight

>>3815888
Posting. Only a slight update, increased the speed, and added a bit more frames. What do you think of the flow?

>>3829168
Could you try making it more obvious that it's Blackfire?

another from the /v/ drawwthread

>>3824858
Pls, what is program's name?

cock

>>3829816
mascara doesn't even follow the form

what can I edit before posting fellas?

>>3830296
Level of detail on the character is almost exactly the same as the dic which is the focus. I'd render the dic a bit more to give it an even bigger focus.
To do that I'd add occlusion and more hard edges, as well as a bit more contrast.

>>3830327
Thanks. Ill make the finishing touches tomorrow.