/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3817785
wtf! i also want to none joking kill myself also now

>>3817785
It's already common knowledge teens get manga all the time in Japanland.

>>3817785
it's not fucking fair how do you get that good at 13, and get published. why is life such bullshit i swear it's so unfair to be given this much luck

In Japan, manga artist is the younger, the better. Because manga is mainly for kids and only kids can know what kids want to read.

>>3817794
>teens
'thirteen' is the smallest number I've ever seen

>>3817801
yeah but how do you get that good so young i have been struggling for years wtf

>>3817785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QveJiCZLCDA
It's ok, you should look at quality not age.

Women know what they want. They have a one track mind for everything they do. It's the men who are always doubting everything like faggots.

>>3817802
It's also the age I prefer my women to be at ,':^)

Jk pls no v&

>>3817802
>Tomofumi Arito, one of Shogakukan’s veteran manga editors, had the following to say about the debut: “In my long life as a manga editor, I’ve never seen a 13-year-old like this … truly incredible.”

Anyway, good for her, if this image is an indicative of her skill and remembering ONE, I guess technique is not the only thing that determines success.

>>3817811
i'm a man and i'm not going to lie i have a lot of doubts, how do i over come them?

>>3817824
this is literally the equivalent of mob from mob psycho 100. people should not be allowed to be this gifted. i hope her manga goes no where as it's bland and generic and she gets a regular day job

>>3817797
>>3817804
>>3817811
>>3817824
>>3817834
She worked incredibly hard to get where she is. Never forget that.

I don't get it when people are jealous about skill. I'm not even jealous of KJG. I admire sheer creativity a lot more

>>3817839
Because she is only 13 and already in a place most of those 30+ something ngmi want to end up one day.

>>3817835
i have been working hard for 10+ years and even i'm not that skilled. this is just life being shit and giving someone an unfair advantage.

she was given fast learning skills and it's bullshit and unfair, while we all struggle with fundamentals for ever.

>>3817804
Loomis

>>3817847
Womp womp, go practice, bitching isn't going to replace her with you

>>3817842
Is it weird that all I can think of is that I'm happy for her? I certainly don't envy her position as a shoujo mangaka and she seems to be really good at drawing a style I'm not interested in so that's ok?
I'd be jealous of some kid with bad technical skills but Moebius tier vision

>>3817848
don't bullshit me with loomis, i'm pretty sure she has never even seen loomis

>>3817785
Yeah, she is young but her art looks generic at best. It must be the story that mattered. Some story can be created only by 13 years old girl.

>>3817857
>https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-02-19/13-year-old-manga-artist-makes-debut-in-bessatsu-margaret-magazine/.143601

>The manga tells the story of a girl who doesn't like or dislike anything. One day, she waits at the station with a cheerful boy and realizes that maybe she does like snow after all.

>>3817857
Well can the industry that is fuel by generic stories that are only inspired by losers reading other people's stories really be any better?

>>3817851
it's not going to replace me with her, but fuck it now i'm going to make my manga debute this week. if life is going to be this broken.

>>3817860
Already makes me fall for the story. The author must be a genius.

>>3817865
she is not a genius she just cheated at life and got extra lucky. like a glitch in a video game.

>>3817869
S E E T H I N G

>>3817870
i have the right to be when life is going to be so cruel and hard for others while giving others an unfair easy time.

>>3817869
My thought exactly, like some 1lvl mob dropping double exp accessory at the start of the game because of a glitch.

That said, its ok to feel down but you should try to better yourself rather than trying to diminish her accomplishments.
You know, dont be a guy who tries to pull people down to your level just because you cant reach theirs.

>>3817871
I love it when artists suffer, thanks for showing me that anon, you degenerates deserve nothing less

>>3817785
Imagine how good she’ll be by the time she’s actually an adult

>>3817874
>IT'S LIKE A VIDEO GAME
Go back to R*ddit

>>3817785
>16 pages
Who's the artist tho

>>3817877
Oh wow I like the white hoodie guy

>>3817876
>Finding similarities between RL and vidya.
>REEEEEE only reeeedeeeet can do that

Go eat some crayons anon.

>>3817875
if you don't see the problem then stay ngmi, if you're okay with others being given rollerskates in running race.

>>3817874
this anon gets

thanks anon, but i'm tired of this i'm going make my debut this week i will reach her level and surpass it even if it kills me.

>>3817877
I just hope its actually her work and not some older sister was too ashamed to use her own name.

>>3817877
>>3817881
Actually sorry, I think I misunderstood the tweet in the article since it was in Japanese. It might just be the cover of the magazine her story was published in.

>>3817882
Nice comeback +1 upboat my fellow gamer

>>3817877
i bet she traces, when she grows up she will make manga that nobody will buy and she will get a day job

>>3817883
Its kinda funny but I am in a very rough spot and intend to make a debut as well.
Except I think first chapter is fairly important so I still trying to improve my technique and what goes into the very first chapter that would captivate people.

>>3817785
Then some adults ink it while neatening up her pencils, adults drop backgrounds in, adults letter it, adults halftone it, adults letter it. Mangas have more people working on them than your average marvel comic so its not hard to imagine that a stable of people can polish a 13 year old terd.

>>3817892
if some 13 year old can debut and not even struggle 1/3 of what i have been through then i'm not going to hesitate or doubt any more and also debut.


also i wish you luck but it looks like no matter how much technique or years of skill and history under your belt it doesn't matter as long as you do it, which is what her story says.

if a zoomer can go pro and get articles all over the web

>>3817893
Actually, it was her submission for a manga contest https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-02-19/13-year-old-manga-artist-makes-debut-in-bessatsu-margaret-magazine/.143601
>Although Bessatsu Margaret regularly holds manga competitions aimed specifically at middle school and high school students, Hoshiki's submission is notable because it won the regular monthly competition with no age restrictions. Readers have praised her high-quality, which is impressive even among adult artists.
>Bessatsu Margaret publishes a debut work from a new artist every month. Story manga submissions must be 16 pages, while gag manga submissions must be between 8 to 16 pages.
Maybe she had some help, but it’s still pretty impressive. The issue her debut’s in was sold back on the 13th, maybe we’ll get to see what her comic looks like if someone scans it.

When I was a teenager I started learning to play bass to be in a band, and just like every bass player I went into funk because funky grooves are the shit, and from funk I discovered Jaco Pastorius and jazz fusion, and soon enough I was masturbating over Victor Wooten solos where he slaps 6 million notes per second and only listened to hyper technical prog metal / jazz shit because I was in love with the instrument and straight up worshipped technical skill. I listened to Allan Holdsworth, Spiral Architect, really hardcore technical stuff that most people find unlistenable to.

Many many years later I'd rather listen to pop things like Jamiroquai. Many amazing funk grooves are legit 5 notes. Sure I still listen to technical stuff and lots of classical and I'm still amazed by Michael Brecker's sax solos but I think with maturity you really understand that technical competence is nothing but a tool. What is important is what you're saying, and what you have to say is your thing and nothing but your thing. Nobody can imitate your voice, so git gud at drawing yes but focus on the things you want to say. That's how you free yourself of the torment that affects most /ic/ users.

>>3817906
You know, if you never try you cant say you failed, you just never did anything to succeed.
Some people failed tons of time before succeeding (honestly, first time working out rarely happens) some succeeded despite shitty artstyle.
I guess you just have to take the plunge and see for yourself.

Dont give up anon, a fellow gmi believes in you, wish you luck, just try not to rely on luck alone.

>anyway, I am off to sleep, drop some info like blog or DA acc if you can, I am curious to watch your debut.

>>3817916
>saving these words

i won't give up i'll use your words as fuel to motivate me.


rest easy, here is my anon discord: AnonArtist#0477

This shit should inspire you and make you want to draw. If this makes you sad then your NGMI.

>>3817932
cute brap

>>3817785
>25
>been drawing since I was in 4th grade
>tons of sketchbooks
>was never confident enough to post pictures anywhere public
>kept all story ideas in my head
>always wanted to actually publish a comic of some sort
>even now I still haven't worked up the courage to even start a shitty webcomic
>too much of my free time is spend gaming or procrastinating to truly improve

Why am I such a fucking failure?

That's it. I give up.

>>3817939
ngl 25 is not so old

>All it took was a 13 year old girl to kill the crab
kek

>>3817962
Probably because they wanted to be the 13 year old girl when they were little. Maybe they even got praised for being "so skilled for their age" back then too.

Hopefully she doesnt find the mangaka life too stressful when so goes big time.

I doubt a 13 year old drew this, but if it is its quite rare and talented if she did

>>3817975
>>3817995
>not training your next of kin to take over Japan by being a child prodigy mangaka

>>3817785
Good girl

>>3817785
Poor thing, she will go insane like kubo

>>3818000
literally the only reason i'd want a kid
i'd chain him in a room with nothing but loomis books, pencils and paper until he became master class or died trying

>>3817785
ITS NOT FAIR BROOOOOOOOS

>>3817975
>they wanted to be the 13 year old girl when they were little.
>tfw will NEVER be a 13 yr old girl

Shitty thread full of losers
I have midterms this week but I can't wait for this weekend, I'm going to draw so much, and post a ton of it on /ic/, I love working hard to achieve my personal short term goals

>>3818080
this.

I mean, she clearly draws in her every waking moments, has been for longer than she was born and meanwhile most of us just scribble dumb unfocused doodles for thirty minutes once or twice a week. There's nothing "unfair" about this. Quit crying and draw more

I have seen even younger and more talented artists. Pic related drew this at 11 years old. But you know what happened? She lost her drive and regressed and doesn't even draw anymore. Stop thinking about others and keep working at it. We're all gonna hit a point of diminishing gains at our own pace. You'll get there eventually as long as you don't quit.

I bet she never practiced fundies
NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR NOT FAIR

>>3817835
No she didn't.

If you have to read books to get better at drawing, you probably aren't gonna be a good artist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEgxS_vzQjU&t=153s

this video summarises the upbringing and existence of every seething loser in this thread. you faggots are too entitled, go draw

>>3817835
>implying a child can "work hard"

To ne honest, this looks good and all, and I won't criticize her drawing abilities since she seems to know what she's doing, but:
mangas are pretty formulaic, especialy shojo. Learn to draw your characters from 4 different angles, get some basic page composition down, and you're probably good to go.
adult editor is there to correct any mistakes
adult assistants too if she gets serialized
but the most important point in my opinion: what about the story? can a 13year old girl actualy write a good story that stays engaging every chapter? there lies the real challenge. I have met a few "teen writers" and their stuff is always pretty much a mashup of all cool cliches and tropes they like

>>3817811
Damn this is true from my experience, I don't know any women who are fumbling around life.
they're mostly all highly motivated and highly successful career driven women, mothers etc... and if they aren't career driven or mothers they just don't worry about the same things that I do.

>>3818385
Uh, anon...

>>3817811
>>3818402
How old are you guys

>>3818407
28. dating a grill right now, of course she has doubts and worries like the rest, same with my other girlfriends, but none of them ever let it stop them or turn them into a neet.

>>3818412
Good luck

>>3818390
>a mashup of all cool cliches and tropes they like
Thats 99% of manga/comic storylines though.

>>3818413
Thanks, you too.

>>3818414
Tropes exist for a reason, yes.
But a piece of storytelling has to have an original part somewhere to be interesting, and that's what those guys are lacking.
If you're going that way, you can have pretty much any premise of any manga summed up into a simple mix of themes:

pirates and superpower? one piece
journey to the west and martial art? dragon ball
outcast protagonist and ninjas? naruto

and so on. But those stories went farther than that to get interesting, and that's my point, a 13year old can get the interesting starting point, but can it goes further? I've yet to see it happen.

>>3817785

>>3818436
>boy in vault goes out on adventure to find his father in a wasteland world
You won't fool me, that's Kamina's story in Gurenn Lagann!

>>3818429
Naruto sucks. And one piece isnt all that good either. Dragon ball was great, but dbz, no, just no. Those are horrible examples of writing and moreso just edgy wanks for preteens and young teenagers, the most popular dime a dozen "tropes" from the most popular mangas, shonen. You didnt even try, anon, that makes my heart hurt. At least say something like outlaw star or ranma, or shit like tenchi muyo and gantz, but no, you chose the absolute bottom of the barrel shit.

>>3817785
ENVY IS THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING WORST EMOTION WHY

>>3818447
Because it can turn into jealousy, which is the emotional equivalent of cancer.

>>3818446
I admit Naruto sucks etc. But the point is whether it sucks or not. But they succeeded. People love bad things and it takes talent to create something bad and popular at once.

>>3817785

Good for her, I am very impressed with her drawing skills.

>>3818446
>one piece isn't all that good
stopped reading here

>>3818454
Not anymore... Not anymore. This world is wilting and we are on the fast track to idiocracy 1984 style. Its over, might ad well stop drawing and start killing ourselves. We cant win, anon. We kost, the gays are to stronk, theyre building the ultimate tranny warriors and we will be raped by them, physically and mentally. The science, its the lesbian science that will make us all menstruate. I can feel it now, they will genetically modify the men with ovaries in our chest cavities. The robits will be on their side, repeatedly beating us with metallic baton dildos. We already lost anon, we lost.

>>3818446
I wasn't going for good works, but for successful ones. And those three works are, like it or not, worldwide success.
And they didn't get that successfull relying on their art, cause they're far from the greatest. They got that far with the story and characters

>>3818390
It's a manga for teenage girls. You only need hot mysterious guys and a bland selfinsert mc. The hot guys will fight over mc so you've covered het girls and fujoshis at the same time. The only difficult part is to draw hot guys.

Gee there sure are a lot of triggered murrifats itt, must be mad that Japanese teenagers work hard and aren't just meme spouting idiots.

>>3817785
>0 comments
impressive

>>3817785
Poor child, while her peers are having fun at the most precious age she's already forced to slave away like middle aged salaryman.

>>3818483
>They got that far with the story and characters
Bullshit, they got that far because edgy teenagers and mass marketing, dolt.

>>3818523
Seething

This place is too good for you people, seriously the amount of resources you have at your hands is more than any other artist had in history, all given to you for free. Yet you shit on a little kid who draws better than you and call her efforts "unfair". Last time I checked having the greatest artistic library at your fingertips all for free is the most unfair situation you guys are in. Guess what, that jap kid doesn't even know this website exists, she didn't get to that level with all these great books, she got their from her own hard work. So go outside and draw because you clearly don't appreciate the resources given to you here.

>>3818535
Hard work is a meme. Early start is much more important.

>>3818546
How long do you think she's been drawing for? Since she was five maybe, so eight years of drawing an hour a day let's say (since hard work means nothing to you). Will you get to her level if you draw an hour a day for eight years, or will you be shit posting here.

>>3818551
No, because I'm not a child. Drawing is like breathing to her, and takes a lot of effort for me.

>>3818532
>Not an argument
You should accept all your losses, being a faggot isnt very becoming of you anon, but ill accept this as your white flag of cowardice.

>>3818564
Seething

>>3818563
Keep believing that, you weak faggot. This is why I stay as far away as I can from interacting with anyone trying to learn to draw. kys

>>3818563
Right because she just exhaled the pic OP posted.I know you're shit posting but just in case some one is reading this actually thinks like this, anything that art related like painting,drawing,sculpture takes effort. Ask yourself this next time you see an amazing piece of art "how long did it take for this person to make?", chances are you double the amount of hours you thought along with the time it took to get to whatever skill level they are at. In other words a long fucking time, so start today and not tomorrow. So go outside and draw real things outside, instead of already abstracted art on your pc. You don't learn to draw cartoons from other cartoons.

>>3818574
>Obsessed
I can do it to. You lost, its ok. Maybe next time, thanks for playing.

>>3818523
>edgy teenager
for naruto maybe, but there are plenty of better works aimed at edgy teenagers. I don't accept DBZ and One Piece as edgy.

>mass marketing
If it was true, what prevents others to market the same way and get even more succeess with better stories?
Why do some mass marketed series end up flopping anyway? (looking at you, bleach)

>>3818588
>If it was true, what prevents others to market the same way and get even more succeess with better stories?
Money. It costs a lot to market to other countrie. It also costs a lot to make endless videogames to shill youre edge bait. Im not saying being edgy is bad, dbz, one piece and naruto are pure edge for the sake of edgineess, it appeals to the male teenager. They hit their demographic where it hurts (manga, anime, video games)and bam, success.

>>3818589
but dragon ball and one piece aren't edgy though.
You could argue that dragon ball turned edgy with DBZ, but it was already a long runner before that.
Same with one piece. what made them popular was the feeling of adventure and fantasy

>>3818600
One piece is kino edge bait, quit lying to yourself. Yeah db is great and dbz is the edgiest of edge McEdges on a katana. Like i said its not bad, just lacks a lot of nuance that would make it more mature, which is why they nailed it with marketing. They marketed to the core demographic. Manga and anime are mainly targeting kids and teenagers, same with videogames. Its great marketing more than anything else.

>>3817939
Nigga, are you me?

>>3818617
one piece is basicaly
"I have a tragic backstory"
"yeah you do. let's disregard it and make you a joyful pirate going on adventures"
repeated over and over again.
Seriously, the cast could be the edgiest of edgy and they're not. There more edge in a strand of Sasuke's hair than in the whole Strawhat crew.

>>3817801
I know better than my younger self what I wanted when I was a kid, check m8

>>3818587
Seething

>>3818390
Internet is vast.

You can just steal random fanfic from somewhere and adapt it with your own manga

Nobody would notice or even if they do, they don't cares

>>3818638
I'm pretty sure the fanfic author would notice, if you steal too obviously.
And if he complains to a crablike place like here, people will happily spread the word and drag the thief down fast.

Internet is vast, but when you navigate a specific genre, it can get shallow really fast.

>>3817886
>Sarcasm
To Reddit with you

Want more suicide fuel?
That one manga about boku Ss whatever about a butler fox was written and published by a 15 year old (it was all the rage a while ago) but however she killed herself at 25 - but that’s still 10 years of professional experience.

Goblin slayer is illustrated by a girl who is 18 (who has already been in the industry for 2 to 3 years)

There are kids on tiktok who lip sync, from 13 years old, that already get 500k to 1mil view per videos that are <45 sec.

I personally knew a 13 YO girl in an eating disorder group who wrote a fanfic that over 100,000 people read.

Personally I think it’s a mix of luck. Tiger Woods was born to a professional golfer of a father who made him train since 4. Someone who wanted to prove girls can become prodigies at chess specifically raised 3 girls since young who competed and won international recognition. I’m saying a lot of us probably have dreams of debuting that young, but sometimes life gets in the way and we get raised by abusive parents, homelessness, trauma or illness. Maybe she was raised to be brave and take chances, most kids aren’t riddled with anxiety. Are they excuses? Yes they can be overcome, but it doesn’t stop the fact that we spend years of our lives dealing with it. Shame on those who hope she fails (well then again I got kind of excited anyway when I learned the GS hype died and nobody on /a/ cares anymore) but that’s what’s noble about doing the best we can with what we have and being better than the person we were yesterday. Good on you who are inspired. We’re all gonna make it. I want to make my debut this month or March too.

>>3818535
I would say it’s a disadvantage. We farm (You)’s and get stuck in a crab bucket mentality where we confess our suicidal feelings. She probably surrounds herself with other eager teenagers and challenges herself to be better, instead of spouting off Loomis. You are who you hang around with.

>>3818653
>but however she killed herself at 25
wait WHAT

>what's going on in this th-

>>3818653
>Someone who wanted to prove girls can become prodigies at chess specifically raised 3 girls since young who competed and won international recognition.

LOL

>>3817785
Good! I like how it looks. I hope she keeps it up.
I'm not even half as good... Gotta draw more, anons.

>>3818653
>she killed herself at 25
Based. Fuck everyone who's better than me.

>>3818660
>>3818676
Cocoa Fujiwara died at age 31, in 2015. It's not known whether it was suicide or not. The cause of her death was reported to be illness, but no other details have been made public. The funeral was held only by her relatives.

>>3818446
>ranma
>outlaw star
>tenchi muyo
mah nigga.

>>3818669
The first player in the highest rated female chess players is his youngest daughter, the only one that kept playing chess.

>>3818701
Thats admirable, but the fact that the number 1 ranked female is rank 52 is still something i will decide to mock.

>>3818653
>Goblin slayer is illustrated by a girl who is 18
>神奈月昇
>197x年4月2日
>そのままペンネームで使った経緯があったと本人が《visualstyle 2008 vol.3》で述べた。
Nice fake rumor

>>3818777
even if it was true, it wouldn't be that impressive.
Light novels only contain a handful of illustrations, in a very small format. A good enough teen doing them wouldn't surprise me too much

>>3818701
>The first player in the highest rated female chess players is his youngest daughter
he perfect the teaching methods with the first 2 girls and the third one received the best tutelage

prof that education matters

>>3818788
with good education and starting young you can make it into the top 100.
Inspirational or depressing? probably both

Drop everything and go make several children quickly. If you force them into drawing early they'll make it sooner than anyone on /ic/.

>>3817847
what would be a fair world then? Everyone is born with the same amount of talent and no advantages what so ever? Impossible to define any of that, impossible to achieve and completely terrifying even in theory.
lets say no one has an advantage (then there would be no differences in individuals) but somehow people maintain their differences. Then if someone works harder than others and ends up better than most simply by working harder is that also talent and its unfair? Does everyone have to wait for others to catch up? Is no one being ahead of you a good thing?
Yes in life people are different, only handful of people are more successful than most. But being the best in a single thing isn't all there is to it. Being better than others is important obviously, its what thrives you but simply saying its unfair implies you want a third party to make it fair and give you things. Complete fairness in that sense would mean you giving up everything you have earned to people who have none.

>>3818390
young children tend to write incredibly trite self gratifying indulgent rot full of self inserts and wish fulfillment, perfect for the genre

>>3818803
They’ll just get jealous of their prodigy children instead

>ITT reeeeeing from early 20 year olds
Pro tip: the world isn’t a meritocracy like the public school you went to

THIS THREAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gi-RYNhP8Y

>>3817785
So? The Berzerk guy, Kentaro Miura, published his first manga when he was 10 years old.
Kids getting published in manga magazines are nothing new, and they don't usually last long in the business either.

>>3818894
forgot pic

>>3818895
That’s when he was 19, and he first started when he was in high school (16), the 10 year old meme is untrue

>tfw one of the few anons here who are genuinely happy for the girl
>tfw I'm not some insecure faggot that needs to be the youngest, best artist in the room to feel good
>tfw I draw for fun and don't obsess over updoots and niggertweets

>>3818956
I pretty much agree. It'd be really fun to look at a timeline of her progress, if those are her imagination drawings she's pretty awesome.

Funny thing is she's statistically likely to plateau to some degree soon but retards on /ic/ will continue wasting precious time sobbing about lost time instead of just spending a few years on serious work and surpassing pretty much every "child genius". Starting at 6 or 26 doesn't matter that much when reaching huge skill takes only like 5-10 years of serious work and you can do this kind of hobby until you're 60 at least.

>>3818788
>>3818797
How do we apply this teaching method to drawing?

>>3818669
>LOL
>a female player who at her best could compete on equal footing with best of men around the world
>not remarkable
now compare Williams sisters and how good their venture into male tennis world went

>>3818956
NGMI

>>3818402
Women don't fumble in life because they settle for low-risk jobs that usually offer little growth. Men create things, build, and make businesses. It's tougher and higher risk, so obviously there could be more doubt.

>>3819280
Really makes me think.

>>3818813
Well obviously, you retard. Not him but it doesn't mean the frustration of the entire thing is any less frustrating. This is completely meaningless.

>>3819314
Frustrating? It should be motivating. That someone as young as her can do it means that you can do it too.

>>3819317
Exactly ! I don’t understand how bitter someone has to be to get angered by a young girl who is succeeding

>>3819280
I don't think you've ever met a woman anon

>>3819317
I'm actually not mad. I feel completely indifferent to this situation despite my reply to you. I don't see it as motivation or anything and I can see clearly see why someone with goals of the same thing can get frustrated.

The worst thing about this conversation is the lack of understanding about humans. We're irrational creatures. Telling someone who is jealous to not be jralous, as if either of you had chosen to in the first place is pointless. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into is all I'm saying.
So trying to rationalize why they should feel another way is frustrating to see. Although I agree with you generally.

This thread sucks. You know how people make it? By working on their shit and not crying about how someone else was successful.

>>3819319
the bitterness stems more from regret rather than jealousy. most people at 13 are too busy playing video games or going to the mall to do their own comic series, but here this girl is getting hers professionally published at 13, while at the same time, /ic/ people are 18-27ish still struggling to draw the perfect animu face, slacking more than they'd like to be. it should be motivating, but its mostly just a reminder about how much time has already been wasted, and you fear you'll never find the courage to just do what you desire to do and stop wasting time. where the thinking goes wrong here, is that the people who think this way are waiting for somebody to give them permission to do what they want to do. they believe there's a "right" way, and they wait for the approval of a publisher/studio/school/anonymous critics before they feel "real". they're phony right now, but once they "make" it, they'll have the confidence to make that game, animate a film, or finish that graphic novel. what does making it mean? only the spooky art elders know. the difference between those people and this 13 year old girl is that the 13 year old girl didn't wait. the 13 yr old knew what she wanted and emulated it without caring if she was doing it right or not. or maybe she did care, but she didn't care about failure, and studied/practiced until she felt she got it right. the point is, she did it, and she didn't not do it or attempt it because she thought she wasn't good enough to do it. her love alone was enough to give her confidence to do this, and her attempts ended up being successful. the only thing you should take away from this girl is that there's no better time than today, so stop waiting for permission and just make the things you want to see exist.

>>3819317
No, it just means she has an advantage that I can't take advantage of since I'm older. She started way earlier, had the will to work hard vowed to her by her brain chemistry, had the dream of wanting to be a mangaka, and seriously pursued it in the correct manner. All of these things I haven't and will not have access to aside from later on in life. Doesnt mean I'm not trying. I'm working to get better. But to act as if me and this girl are on the same playing field or that her experience should be motivating for me is completely ridiculous.

Some people are wired to be able to work hard and sit and enjoy making art for hours on end while I sit on my ass longing for the motivation to want to as I fantasize heavily about my dreams. I can't change any of that. I can work to overcome it and fail constantly but it hasn't worked over these 20 years. I've studied all of the methods to learn properly and I've progressed slower than too many of my peers as I sit for hours at a time drawing from reference and imagination. I've gotten better but not at the rate I should. Drawing from reference and imagination, repitition, fundamentals, etc.

I enjoy drawing. Just not at the level that these people are blessed with.

>>3817785
Lmao wow, I give up

>>3819367
there's 100s of millions of people that would kill for the advantages you have. Shut the fuck up and get to work

>>3819377
Ok?

>>3819377
It's hilarious that you think you're saying anything with this. I'm well aware, you stupid fuck and this bullshit reply does nothing to address my entire point. I wouldn't shit on anyone who envied my position.
I love when dumb fucks think they've made a point but that 'point' contributes to the entire point I'M making.

It's ok to envy over or be disappointed over advantages. This has nothing to do with what retarded thing you're trying to say. But hey, I can't convince you that you're a dumb fuck, otherwise you wouldn't bother posting because you know you're dumb as fuck.

>>3818390
Shoujo doesnt really have good stories, as long as she can pump out crying pretty boys and cats she should do fine

>>3819377
Wow! Amazing revalation! You obliterated every previous point made previously with whataboutism! Truly a genius. Clever and never thought of before.

>>3818956
DUMB SNEK!!!
ZERO BD'S SOLD

>>3819400
Season 2 confirmed.

>>3819026
>git gud at drawing
>make 3 girls
>teach them
>???
>profit

>>3819588
If only it were possible to train someone to be the 50th best artist.

>>3819592
give me a list of the current 100 best artists and I might do it

>>3819665
What about the top 100 best art pieces of a day with artists to accompany them?
https://www.pixiv.net/ranking.php?mode=daily

>>3819429
I really wanted to enjoy this because of cute angel girl, but it's so unfunny I couldn't get past 5 episodes. Not sure how this got a 2nd season confirmation desu

>>3819669
those are based on popularity. if I wanted to train somebody to get popular I would become an idol manager

impressive, although this is probably going to kill her social life if she's going to do 20-30 pages a month. Reminder, it's really easy for manga to be axed. Although if it's obscure magazine it will probably stay longer.

>>3818390
>I have met a few "teen writers"

You compare lazy western kids with Japanese kids who grind their studies to the bone. She probably spent all her free time reading manga works that she looks up to, and probably already decided the path she wants to pursue. If anything it seems like she's smart, determined, and has a feel for it. If she continues improving and broadening her horizons along the way, well who knows.

>>3819697
pretty sure its just a oneshot.

>>3817785

I really want to see this cunt get axed. Can't stand tall poppies.

>>3817785
Don't bother, just up Japanese people's age by 10 and it's normal. Japanese kids learn education at a faster, higher rate than Americans, nearly a 10 year jump start so if you're 23 and at that level, it's normal but if not but you're off by like 2-3 years, it's fine.

>>3821803
How are Japanese so much more superior in education that they have a decade difference?

>>3818325
Underrated post. Thank you. I don't care how young, I care for how long.

Today i read the gospel of Luke and i'm seriously thinking about making a manga about it
wish me luck anons

>>3818447
become white ash fellow joebro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwMhQuDeF7I

>>3821828
Real answer, they have family pride on their side to make their lives the best there is. In America, that's not as concrete, nor is disciplined as such. Kids are allowed to "stay young" up until they are 18. Not the same thing in Japan.

>>3821779
>spent all her free time reading manga
Doesn't mean anything when 99% of manga is derivative as fuck, possibly even more than western YA fiction. A teen girl on a shoujo mag probably has read only shoujo rom-com SOL garbage. Most western "creative type" kids consume stuff from all sorts of different mediums like films, vidya, animation, comics, and books, and are not limited to a marketing demographic. She should be reading the Japanese canon instead if she wants to write something of real artistic merit.

There's several reasons, one that in japan people from kids believe in hard work and effort and this is ingrained in their psyque, literally all their popular shonen characters are about a loser with no talent who overcomes and succeed and become the best through hard effort.
In america, is usually people who are born with superpowers or magically gained it without effort who comes as the main hero.

So, japan believes in hard work while the west believes into natural talent and geniuses.
This is why kids in asian nations are usually more skilled at younger age than western adult artists.

It took me an entire decade of half ass work to learn to draw anime at the level it looks like what you see on the japanese industry.
I was young and never cared about improving or becoming professional, I just wanted to draw waifus like japanese.
However, I've made more progress since I stopped caring about anime waifus and decide to take my art seriously.
Right now I'm taking seriously, perspective, anatomy, values, etc. (All the fundamentals).

Anime is heavily derivative and very easy to draw, I think that anyone could go from begginer to professional level of manga art if he spend a serious year practicing fundamentals, studying professional manga illustrators.

Look up Volen CK videos where he shows his 4 year progress and he has reached a level that I don't see manga artist even in the industry can do.

Most of anons don't study properly or very ineficiently, so that's why they never progress.
You can reach this level in one year of proper study.

>>3822003
Can you post a snippet of your work?

>>3817785
talent deniers btfo again

>>3822008
Like I said, my art is nothing special, simply because I never put effort into studying properly.

You can see Volen CK youtube channel where he post his progress.

>>3822011
I want to see it anyways.

>>3817877
>>3817887

The background is likely one of the 3d backgrounds from clip studio paint

>>3822003
Don't have most shonen "the illusion of the underdog" as the protagonist? I mean at first they actually seem working hard, but later as the story goes on they get a op powerup after powerup without doing anything for said powerups.

>>3822014
yup

>>3817785
Unless your looking to replicate her life exactly don't worry about it.

If you all want good copefuel, consider that art is a reflection of our personal experiences. Someone who learned to draw at 50 will have spent their life doing something else, and will be able to reflect that in their artwork once they actually get good enough to do so. It's never too late to learn to draw as long as you aren't terminally ill and about to die from said terminal illness.

I'm actually worried for the girl because she is likely to burn out like most other child prodigies. Think of all the 13-year-olds with PhDs in physics, who ended up doing nothing with their lives. At worst she is going to put out one generic manga then do nothing else with her life. Optimistically, she will be a generic mangaka with head start. I really wish her luck so that she doesn't burn out.

>>3817856
Send her the books by mail.

Reminder that Japs go through the same struggles as we do.
https://cgworld.jp/feature/201805-yoshida.html

At the end of the article/interview, they would often ask advice for /beg/ artists etc.
It's at the very bottom (プライドより自信をもて) translates to: Have Confidence over Pride

Basically Yoshida Toru was struggling because he kept seeing more and more talented animators/artists who were much younger than him be successful in the animation industry (Director of Jin-roh for example).
Then one day, he focused on how to study in order to get good and not worry about others. And other animators/artists would often give the advice of "Have Confidence over Pride", because having pride will damage you but confidence will push you to be more open to any failure so that you can learn from it. And this gave him the drive to draw everyday more and more.
And even to this day he keeps drawing because he enjoys the learning process and seeing ways on how to make better animation effects etc.

>>3819377
Look guys! Someone solved all anxiety and mental obstacles by simply pointing out that people have worse problems! Finally, the as a collective can finally rest, knowing that it was as simple as understanding that people irrelevant to your frame of perspective have a different perspective from you!

>>3823260
>how to study in order to get good
So how do you do it?

>>3823168
How do you get a PhD at 13?

>>3823660
I'm not talking about anxiety or mental obstacles, are you really that defensive? He's literally complaining that someone younger than him started drawing, calling them blessed, an achievement he'll never achieve. he's an egotistical autist, he wants to be the best artist ever and in his mind starting earlier is best. jesus christ, fuck off complaining about this shit, there will always be people better than you at something, just work on yourself, im sure a million of people are complaining how early you started.

>>3824053
No, the initial point of the conversation was that it feels bad knowing you missed out on getting better.
>He's literally complaining that someone younger than him started drawing
No, he said that it's disappointing and and depressing. You're seeing something that isn't there. It's possible to be a bit sad that you missed out on getting better. No one said that they weren't going to try to improve anyway. You're just a whiny bitch who sees a problem in any self-reflection under the realization in lost time. It's bad to dwell on it, but whining about it means absolutely nothing and it does nothing.

>he wants to be the best artist ever and in his mind starting earlier is best.
When did this person say that you stupid fuck. The entire conversation was about how it's normal to feel bad about it. No one is saying if you start as a child you'll be a god. Just that the head start is disheartening.

>there will always be people better than you at something, just work on yourself, im sure a million of people are complaining how early you started.
Wow, amazing. This adds absolutely nothing to the conversation and realizing this changes absolutely nothing about how people feel. Grow up and realize it isn't as simple as this. This isn't how humans work.

>>3824053
No, you're getting my point all wrong, but if you didn't you would have nothing to argue against. You'll make up anything to disagree with someone.
I said I put in all of this effort to improve and this KID who is way younger than me is way better than me. Whether she works harder is irrelevant to my first point. What I'm sad about is that this person has achieved greater than me while she is younger than me. And while I'm happy for her, it doesn't change any dread that I have for the idea that she or anyone way younger than me have surpassed me despite my efforts to get better.

Even if I clarify this, you're too irrational about everything to even consider that this is not how I think at all. All you're doing is making assumptions of what I said. I explained myself working hard to give context of why I was sad. She has the benefit of working young, which equals more experience as she gets to my age.

On some level, I don't care. But when I really think about it, it's about as demotivating as demotivating gets. I'm sure you'll misinterpret me again, since you clearly have no idea how to read without injecting your own assumptions of me and my thoughts.

>>3824085
>What I'm sad about is that this person has achieved greater than me while she is younger than me.
But you've achieved so much more than she has and ever will. Your age is representative of that.

>>3824085
>I said I put in all of this effort to improve and this KID who is way younger than me is way better than me.
what the fuck does this mean? Have you only been drawing manga your entire art career hoping to get it serialized? What the fuck does surpassing you mean.

>>3824096
Right? Imagine being so pathetic a kid who draws manga has surprised your life.

>>3824096
>>3824099
Are you fucking retarded? I said surpassed in a board dedicated to making art. Meaning she surpassed me in skill, you stupid illiterate fuck.
I never said anything about her life being better than mine. We're literally talking about art in an art board. If you couldn't piece two and two together I have no idea how you managed to even make it to this board without help.
>>3824093
This is a comment relative to art, not my life. My job and life are not really relevant to what I was saying.
I meant just in terms of doing art.

>>3824119
>Meaning she surpassed me in skill, you stupid illiterate fuck.
I'm literally talking about that you dumb fuck. Tell me anon, how has she surpassed you in skill?

>>3824122
She's just better than me. Is that really that hard to understand? There's nothing more to explain.

>>3824122
If you actually read what he said, he said that he's been practicing for 20 years but has barely improved. If this person really has, and then he sees a girl just at 13 years of age get better than him after that long, I can understand how that is depressing.
You're acting like it's outlandish that someone would be disappointed or jealous.

>>3824124
A kid who's been drawing manga characters all her life has surpassed you who claim to have drawn for 20 years? You're giving me no information here, again have you been drawing manga your entire career hoping to get it serialized? She could probably do less than a quarter of the shit you could do with art.

>>3824134
Drawing just isn't for me. I've studied anatomy and used methods like looking at the reference and then drawing without it. I've drawn boxes and perspective and yet I still can't grasp it. Really sucks. I might have a mental deficiency. I wouldn't even be surprised.
>You're giving me no information here, again have you been drawing manga your entire career hoping to get it serialized?
No, and that's kind of irrelevant. She has definitely worked harder than me. Regardless of that, it doesn't really change the way I feel about her being better than me. I can be as rational as I want about it but the feeling is still the same.
I'm just legitimately bad and I've been trying to figure out why. I can't even get to a level of making a comic because my skills just aren't improving at all.

No matter how many times I'll tell you that I've been studying the fundamentals or anatomy, you'll just talk about how I was studying wrong, and while that may be true, the feeling of lost time and seeing this little girl get wayy better than me in a shorter period than I've been drawing in my entire life is soul crushing.
I admit to the possibility of studying wrong, but still, that's 20 years of time I could've been learning properly down the drain. If you can't understand how I feel regardless of whether it's my fault I'm bad (it is) then I probably won't get through to you.
I have 86 IQ, which probably explains it. It still feels terrible though.

>>3824134
>>3824141

>>3824134
>>3824141
>>3824145

>>3824141
>>3824145
>>3824146
>The way you enunciate yourself in your posts
>The way you critically thought about my thought process and how I read your post
>86 IQ
>literally can't apply your critically thinking skills to art
>20 years
I have to think you're LARPing anon. There's no way the same person i've been talking to has this to show for their 20 years.

>>3824150
I'm guessing I have a mental deficiency that affects my ability to learn visual stuff. I'm pretty sure there are people with 80 iq who draw better than me, so it's probably not an excuse. I'm flattered but I'm just parroting how I've seen other people talk, honestly.
>There's no way the same person i've been talking to has this to show for their 20 years.
Ouch. Try to reverse search them. I promise these are mine.
I don't think having 80+ IQ would affect my speaking if I grew up and lived around people who speak in the same way.

>>3824150
If you check the dates you can see that it isn't something from today. Meaning this person had this on their computer. Seems believable to me, honestly. As unlikely as it is.

>>3824155
I have never met anyone like you anon. Most artists feel like trash, it's a common theme. I was attacking you because being regretful of shit you never done is extremely harmful and a lot of artists quit because they didn't go after the opportunity they had which was why i was telling you to fuck off and get to work. I still can't believe you're unable to improve your art. Are those 2 digital pieces the last things you've drawn in almost a year?

>>3824155
also how old are you, are you in your 20s or 40s, 50s, +?

>>3824165
Oh I know it's bad for me, and I try to avoid it since I still draw because it's fun.
And nah, I still draw. I just don't have my tablet with me.

>>3824177
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>>3822003
Volen doesn't seem like a guy who would work on manga/comics. You need a little different skillset for that. And there are manga artists who can do it - Yusuke Murata for example.

This proves talent is real. How would a 13 year old girl have put in 20 years of practice to get this good?

>>3822003
/ic/ believes Volen is trash so this post makes no sense. The claim with no backing is even worse. 1 year, what a joke. Just out to try and make others feel bad in this already depressing thread.

>>3824646

this is an ordinary drawing. it's normal to be able to draw like that in japan, it's only noteworthy because of her age.

they also have a work ethic when it comes to artwork. westerners spend 15 years after they leave middle school watching tv, playing video games, following inane trends, bickering with people online, etc. and think that the little bit of drawing they did in all that should be worth like 5 years of experience. in reality it's like 3 months of a college course that they're struggling with, on average.

>>3824807
How to make this normal for you?

>>3824816

i don't want to draw like an ordinary japanese artist, and that would be an inane goal as i was not born in japan, and thus i can only view their culture as an outsider.

this is also an inane thing to say since you haven't seen my art. maybe try doing ordinary weeb things and posting on /a/ instead of pretending that you have something to contribute on the board for artists?

>>3824182
>And there are manga artists who can do it - Yusuke Murata for example.

Pic related, apparently drew this in his third year of highschool.
Does anyone have any source on his first manga, kinda interested what his skillset was back then but cant find anything, not even raw scans.

https://soranews24.com/2015/06/29/popular-manga-artists-shockingly-great-doodles-from-school-prove-hes-always-had-talent/

Let's do it, anon.
We're all gonna make it.

>>3825252
Yeah, let’s go for it.
We’re all gonna make it.

>>3818364
Do you think she magically learn to draw, then how to create a comic, then write a story, then make the steps to get published?
Fuck off.

>>3817811
>women know what they want
I'm far from being a redpiller but I really thought it was the opposite. They have lots of contradicitons and even think they want things but they don't know themselves (so do we, at some level).
But I guess I've never known a woman that wasn't a student or lazy bum so I don't know how most women manage their career. I just thought most of them didn't care and just wanted basic stability.

>>3817827
Solve them throught experimenting, acting, and pushing through, not by stopping an crying. (well stopping and thinking hard is a way, logically or in a more spiritual way. But yeah, balance mind and action, but from what I know, action is more important, probably because I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum and I'm a thinker and need lots of actual experience to rebalance my theoric mind)

(ESL pls don't kill me)

>>3825386
Fuck, it’s like women are varied in personality and lifestyle or something.

>>3825013
Murata doodles from schools prove only that he was the same maniac as he is today. He redraws chapters of OPM periodically if he doesn't like them. And draws up to 12 hours a day.

You probably can't find raw scans because his own mangas are underwhelming. He is a great artist but as a writer he sucks. For a long time he couldn't even get work and got sick.

>>3826610
Who are some examples of good writers in the manga industry?

>>3826639
inoue

>>3826610
This. If you aren’t a natural at drawing, you’re a natural at something else. Combined, those skills are a lot less boring than someone who can only draw.

>>3826602
Of course they are, but you can get general conclusions about a gender. MOST men like X, MOST women act like X in a given situation...steretotypes are annoying but they usually have some kind of truth.

>>3817785
I know that feel

>>3817785
does anyone have scans?

>>3817835
Also she won the geographic lottery and was born in japan where the comic industry is booming and young artists have an infinitely better chance of getting their foot though the door, even if it isn't that profitable of a job over there.
If she was born in america, would she still be a prodigy child who produces professional work at the age of 13? No, her work wouldn't get noticed by any publishers and would just become another drop in the sea of OC art posted in circlejerk forums. And that's got nothing to do with her talent, because she's really talented, it's more to do with the climate of the industry and who runs it respective of each country.

>>3817785
You faggots know that the younger you are, the easier it is to learn something right? There are countless studies that show how a 10 year old learns a language 10 times faster than a 30 year old. Thats why my mom cant even unlock her phone without asking me how to do it

>>3829192
That’s obviously not 100% true. It is true in the fact that because they don’t have a basis for anything, they just sponge up everything. If you count that as learning, sure. They’re much weaker at connecting than older folks would be too. All in all, your mom is lazy and that’s her own fault. The 30 year old may be lazy too. Age deteriorates your care.

>>3829157
This
When I was her age I always complain to myself that animu tutorials sucks ass and mostly had to learn from imagination
it's like grasping straws
Decent/good tutorials only became easy to find when im too old and mentally ill to study art

Message to old self: look for tutorials in japanese websites

>>3829387
Tutorials were good back then, people just lacked the will to put in the work to master them and the analytic ability to study other people’s artwork.

>>3829387
loomis has been around for decades my friend

>>3826610
This reminds me of Boichi drawings when he was 14 (there's one in his page), and he was... pretty fucking good actually drawing machines. He may not be the best when it comes to female anatomy nowadays, but he's amazing drawing machines since... always.

>>3817785
Good for her, but a story from a 13 year old. It's getting praise, but in the long run I'm not sure man.

>>3818080
God story of my life

>>3817802
Well clearly you haven't been paying attention. Age 10.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/LA8fZ

Good for the girl, hopefully it won't affect her studies too much. Just curious, are you guys mad because she's already a published mangaka or because she draws well? Because if you're mad at her skills I am sorry to be the one to tell you, but there's hundreds of kids around that age range who are at that level. You just haven't heard of them because
A. They're content with just drawing fanart and doing it for fun.
B. Their environment doesn't really allow them to thrive.
This girl seems to be in a pretty good environment, not only does she live in Japan, where the comic industry is thriving and where recourses for learning art are abundant, she also seems to have pretty open minded parents if they allow her to do this instead of focusing on her studies.

>>3832566
this thread is pretty much people just like you, being happy for her but also subtlety putting her down.

>there's hundreds of kids like her
>her social life is going to be shit
>she's going to fail and have to get a day job
>her childhood is over
>her studies

anything to feel better about themselves

>>3832586
Oof might have worded that a bit badly, I see where it might sound like I'm trying to put her down, but that wasn't my intended message. I am genuinely happy for her and think she has talent. Being able to make your passion your job at such a young age is very admirable imo. I was really just confused why people were so shocked about her being good at something she enjoys. Of course she is, she has a lot of love and dedication for the medium. The part about her studies was more because it's around that age when school grades start to matter more, especially to (stereotypical strict Japanese but also in general) parents.
Hope that cleared things up ^^

>>3817877
There are so much you can do with manga.

>>3817785
Everyone goes at their own pace, some people pick it up quicker than others. But if it wasn't for early bloomers we wouldn't have gotten Berzerk.

>>3817893
>Mangas have more people working on them than your average marvel comic
Wrong.

>>3817785
If that's enough to make you wanna kill yourself and you can't see anything wrong on that drawing, you really suck. Take your whining somewhere else. Go get better.

>>3817785
Will I absorb her skills if I have sex with her?

>>3817804
If you struggled for years, you're never gonna git gud.

>>3817835
Keep clinging to your meme that everybody has to work the exact same to achieve the same outcome and that it is even possible for everybody to reach that level

>>3817847
Talent exist, I'm so sorry you didn't realize this sooner.

>>3818813
>Everyone is born with the same amount of talent and no advantages what so ever?
That is what leftists and a good chunk of conservatives actually believe, that man is born equal, despite all the irrefutable evidence to the contrary. Yet these numbskulls still believe in the equality meme and worse they uphold equality as a universal good to aim for.

It's not enough for them to want to believe everybody is born equal, they also want to make everyone equal because to them that is just putting things right, as they were and as they should be without societal oppression or whatever horseshit fairytales they have invented to explain away biological realities.

>>3835700
>despite all the irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
what evidence? A majority of what people are today and what they'll become is because of their environment and upbringing, not they were born that way.

>>3835714
>what evidence?
Twin adoption studies, career choices along gender lines, IQ studies on fluid and crystalized intelligence and their correlation to academic success.

Basically both conditions are required for success. You have to be born that way and you have to be in an environment that allows and supports realizing your potential. When there is no potential, even a perfect environment will only yield minimal effects within the limitations of the individual. Yet all the potential in world won't do you any good if you are starving and get clubbed to death for being just a little bit different.

What this means is that not every person with an 160IQ will be Einstein but to have a chance of being Einstein, you need a 160IQ. Hard work doesn't pay off equally. You can practice piano every day, you'll never become Mozart, not if you had two lifetimes to practice. It's like polishing a turd. Yeah, you can make it shiny, but it won't ever be a gemstone. You dig?

>>3835733
your understanding of how people work is very big brained anon. those stats you named off literally don't attack my argument at all

>>3835753
You saying that doesn't make it so.

>>3829157
/thread