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If you're using pic related, don't push too hard. Their ink is so so, but they are surprisingly comfy to use. A better alternative could be the Uni Pin fine liners. Also try to keep them at a 90 degree angle if you can, since all of these pens are made to be used like that. Inb4 someone mentions dip pens, yeah, they are ideal, but they also demand special paper/ink/material conditions that are out of reach for some people. Another option could be a fountain pen, but for the same price you could get a rotron rapidograph, which is the best and last pen you'll ever need

>>3812732
>Inb4 someone mentions dip pens

>>3812732
stop being a fucking mongrel and slamming your pens onto the paper, if you want a bigger line width get a bigger pen.

Uni pin and staedtler are awful tho.

Apart from other anons advice, try out GraphIt and Copic fine liners.

I would add Pitt pens to the list of strong nibs.

maybe try this type instead, steel tip. different type of ink though, smears a bit easilier, but blacker than staedtler pigment liner

>>3812732
Press lighter, constantly rotate them like you'd rotate a pencil to keep a point.

>>3812741
>Inb4 someone mentions dip pens, yeah, they are ideal, but they also demand special paper/ink/material conditions that are out of reach for some people.
They're far superior if you're not taking them out of your domicile and they're dirt cheap compared to fineliners.

>>3812732
I buy these and replace the nib without problems.

>>3812741
wow that rotron rapidograph looks sick, definitely getting one. thanks stranger

Whats the best inking pens on amazon for a beginner starting out?

You simply buy another one, it's the downside of felt tip pens.

>>3812888
>They're far superior
Dip pens make completely different lines and you still have to constantly clean and replace nibs. Comparing them doesn't make any sense.

>>3813435
Any fineliner with a felt tip. Sakura Pigma, Staedtler, Faber-castell, buy the cheapest pack.

If you use watercolors go to jetpens and check the ink, some pens don't have waterproof ink.
Go to jetpens anyway, they have good comparisons guides.

>>3813191
Came here to post this. Quite expensive initially especially if you want a range of lineweights, but more economical in the long run. They're comparable to Rotring pens in terms of ink flow, maintenance and replaceability of each of the parts although differ by being felt nibs with line variation instead of the more durable metal nibs of Rotring pens. Each good in their own way

>>3813630
>Dip pens make completely different lines
you mean more expressive? yeah

>you still have to constantly clean
you pinch the nib with a tissue when you're done drawing, that's it

>and replace nibs
only crowquills/maru need replacement, larger nibs last a long time

>>3813724
>you mean more expressive? yeah
No, i mean different.
Dip pens are more responsive to pressure but you can't make some kind of lines with a single stroke like you can do with a marker or brush, circles and "z" strokes for example. Also using a ruler with a pen is a pain in the ass.
Inking with a dip pen is different from inking with a marker.


>only crowquills/maru need replacement, larger nibs last a long time
All nibs need replacement, it doesn't have anything to do with how big are they, but more with flexibility and how did you clean them.
Also the crowquill is just the most used nib for inking along with the g nib.

It's stupid to think that one single tool is good for everything and everyone, when you need a marker you use a marker, when you need a dip pen you use a dip pen.

>>3813783
I admit I'm very close-minded and stubborn about this, but I use a Kabura (or a G for female figures) + Maru nib for detail/hatching and it's a thousand times better. I have a few rapidographs in my bag for inking on the go and I HATE the dead weight line so much I always think I should go back to my little nalgene bottle with ink and a dip pen. There is just no comparison, dip pens blow everything away a million times. Fountain pens don't compare, nothing compares except a W&N Series 7 size 1 or 2 and even that is relative.

>>3813783
>using a ruler with a pen is a pain in the ass.
I use pic related which has tiny feet that raise it from the sheet and I have no problem making complex speed lines. I even do the thumbtack trick with french curves and it works very nice all the time. It's just a matter of learning it.

>>3812732
Use less pressure or switch to gel pens or roller ball.

>>3813644
This, but I don't find Copic Multiliner's ink too dark to my taste. After I ink with these, I go over a little using these.

>>3813796
Thumbtack?

>>3812732
Just don’t press on them like an ape and buy new ones when they run out.

>>3812732
I wanna know how to deal with these pens

After only a week they starts to work bad

>>3817793
It depends on what you mean by working bad. It might be your pressure, the paper,or the fact that you're using them at an angle. These kind of pens work best when used in a 90 degrees angle.

>>3816429
This is the only video I know of it
https://youtu.be/YdVf1Y6qox4?t=813
13:33 if the stamp doesn't work

I learned it from based Adam Warren and I use it all the time.

>>3817821
The flow of ink don't work and have to press for put ink on paper

>>3812732
> itt the virgin felt tips and fountain pens, have to hold them a certain way, nib gets damaged easily, not that smooth.

The chad rollerball, not worried about damaging the pen tip, don't have to hold it a certain way, glides the smoothest.

>>3813796
Again: it depends on how you like to ink.

James Harren for example uses a lot of tools, but for characters uses markers and it works for him:
>https://youtu.be/pSEHQydc-D4

Personally I mainly use tombow brushpens, because they're something in between.

>>3812732
>There are people on this board that still haven't taken the Rapidograph pill

>>3818918
Which is...?

For those mentioning ball-tip pens: most of them use totally different ink formulations.
Liners tend to use simple, nearly pure carbon pigment.
As far as I know, the only widely-available ball pen that uses this kind of ink is the Ohto Graphic Liner.
The 005 is more like an 015, and it's awful on some papers, but it's the only real choice for shit like rough cardstock that chews up plastic tips.
Pic related. Shouldn't be hard to find, JP sells it.

I suspect the reason Ohto did it is because they don't make plastic-tips, so they're not afraid of cutting into any profits.

>>3812741
Yeah, Uni Pins (the water-based ones) use a significantly harder polymer, so they last longer. Unfortunately less control due to the smoother surface.
Zig Milleniums are also more durable than most, without as much sacrifice in terms of control, but they're tough to find in the US.

>>3812746
>he doesnt use dip pens in MMXIX the year of our lord
not gonna make it

>>3818918
You clearly don't use a Rapidograph if you say this. They are basically unusable for drawing since you have to use them very slowly and hold them upright. You can't do any line variation with them, you can't do anything textural unlike felt tips. I exclusively use Rapidographs for hand lettering comics.

>>3812732
Don't push so hard.
Try Stabilo's fineliners, they are much more sturdy, never had this issue with them while with all the other pens I always push the tip deep inside before I run out of ink. Although I've only seen them in 0.3 size and aren't waterproof (I guess). But they also come in shit tons of different colors.

>>3813421
>rotron
You mean rotring? You need isograph, not rapidograph. From what I've heard, rapidograph requires constant 90 degree angle, while isograph can be held any way you want. It's just improved version basically.
They aren't same as fineliners tho. While usual liner pen allows you SOME degree of control over line density and thickness, isograph's line is always same, only varying on different paper.
It's an amazing tool, but surely feels different from fineliners.
You also need to buy special ink and cleaning fluid for them. I'd also recommend to disassemble (not to the very needle, just basic parts) and thoroughly clean it between refills.
Smooth paper is also recommended.