/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3812116
What ever keeps you going mate.

I desperately wish I could just fuck off and be an art major. But no. That's for kids whose parents will support them forever. I have to take a computer science degree so I can get a job. Art majors don't care if they get a job or not, because they don't even need one. I hate computer science. I don't give a shit about it, I want more time to devote to drawing and I want the advantage of having professional instructors.

They're the reason conceptual art is a thing. Don't worry, it's dying off and actual skill will matter soon. Hang in there.

>>3812116
>tfw honing drawing skill and working hard to save money and to go to good artschool
>all of this because you are poor and starting late

>>3812116
Loomis is free op

>>3812118
>>3812123
>>3812130

Op That's no excuse. Loomis is free.

Trust me I've tried most paid courses they are and the "best" ones just regurgitate loomis.

And everything not covered by loomis is online free...

>>3812148
>Trust me I've tried most paid courses
Good joke anon. I hope OP laughs too.

>>3812151
I'ts not a joke. I pirated them though...

>>3812148
>the "best" ones just regurgitate loomis.
did you really check all the figure course
or just think that any construction base figure is Loomis
oh and I thought Loomis is not free for some more year

OP I will dump 5 hours of Valeri Atelier courses just to shut you the fuck up.

>>3812160
you would shut us all if you deliver

>>3812123
>becoming an art major instead of going to an atelier
HAH AH BABAHB ABH PFFF OMG H AA A

>>3812158
Save for NMA/reilly all good figure drawing courses are just a variation of loomis. Prove me wrong I dare you.

BTW hampton is just a variant of loomis.

>>3812160
watts atelier >valerie atelier.

>>3812174
let see
-NMA (Huston/Vippu/Karl method) figure
gesture + structure (simple form)
-Drawing Database Marc Leone
gesture + structure
-The Art & Science of Figure Drawing: Gesture Brent Eviston
gesture
-Hampton book/course
gesture + structure with Loomis head and
simplify anatomy of muscle
if anything Hampton is far more Vippu than Loomis in his figures
I didn't check the reilly rhythm but it sound like a form of gesture too
and yes their methods are quite similar but far from Loomis mannequin

>>3812191
So you proved me right....

I said "except NMA" and all of those are part of NMA

>>3812193
are you ignore other and Hampton then?
I use NMA teachers to show you that teacher these days use gesture

>>3812191
1.-I said NMA didn't count
2.-Leone is misleading as he doesn't offer a course from start to finish about the figure to compare
3.-Hampton is a vairant of loomis specially the head.
4.- "The art and science"
So it's just gesture drawing. Not a complete figure course.


So I'm right.

>>3812194
Hampton is a variant of loomis. Especially the his head method.

... You proved me right basically.

>>3812196
>Hampton is a variant of loomis
that is wrong
Hampton use gesture and form for figure which is flat out similar to Vippu
Marc Leone course is as detail as it get even more detail than NMA course check his playlist
Eviston course refined gesture to 10min+ figure near the end but didn't go for the anatomy

Going to art school is for losers. I know because i did it, and i'm a poorfag. Everything you need to learn to draw is readily available on the internet, and also you can figure shit out for yourself, you know. Drawing is not straightforward like mathematics. It's more like an organic flow of events, differs from person to person.
Save up a bit of cash, and go do as much live act drawing as you can, they usually don't cost all that much, just make sure you go at least once a week and there you go, if you focus on improving, you'll get where you want, sooner or later

>>3812200
>So I'm right

Again Leone's content is great, but it's just bitsa and pieces. Its not a complete drawing course from start to finish.

I call bullshit on you claiming hampton doesn't use Loomis. His head is a variant of loomis, eh even uses the same knife analogy.

Eviston= Only gesture. Also not a complete figure drawing course. By that logic all gestures are special snowflakes.

Again all figure drawing courses are just variants of what vilppu or loomis teaches.

>>3812205
>I call bullshit on you claiming hampton doesn't use Loomis
his FIGURE I SAID he used loomis Head but his FIGURE is not
do I need to repeat this for the fourth time
all of those above not counting all the fine art teacher and non NMA vippu courses(which are better than his NMA)
show that most good figure these day use a variant of gesture and structure not Loomis mannequin

>>3812211
Since when the head isn't part of the figure?

Just take the L dude...

>>3812116
Expensive schools are full of kids who don't try that hard because mommy and daddy are paying for it and they don't have anything personally invested in it.

>>3812218
I work harder when there is nothing on the line. If there is pressure to do it "or else", I will be so overwhelmed by anxiety that in the end I will just shit last minute garbage out, not just in art but with anything.

>>3812116
Good idea. Having hatred for others and being in a rage about it all day is definitely a great way to strive on your art. You dumb fucking idiot. Worry about yourself stop worrying about other people. I cant even grasp why you dumb retards keep coming to art boards to bitch about people who SHOULDNT MATTER TO YOU

>>3812148
Loomis just regurgitates Bammes and old masters, and does it poorly.

>>3812116
Cgpeers nigger.

>>3812212
Different anon here. Fun fact - Hampton was Karl's student, and ripped off almost everything Karl taught, including the language and concepts he uses in the Figure Drawing for design and invention book. Especially the head portion.

And of course Karl was Vilppu's student, but the way they teach the head has differences, at least.

>>3812123
>hates to know how the inner workings of one of the most complicated devices and abstractions humanity has been making
I'm glad I'm not you

>>3812116

Were not so different, you and I

>>3812417
>know how the inner workings of one of the most complicated devices and abstractions humanity has been making
Yeah and you know what I'm going to do with that information? Sell my fucking soul and back posture slaving away writing code for some shitty enterprise company that I could care less about, competing with H1Bs to drive wages lower and lower.

>>3812701
You could try game dev. If you don't like logic programming, there's also technical art- like developing shaders. Go to one of the game jams or GDC or some online community and make one with a team, add it to a portfolio or sell it. You can also write engines and renderers, or your own language(even better if you can an actual good/better design). Believe me, if you study CS properly, the amount of shit you can create is vast. Demo scenes for example are fun as fuck. Crazy procedural shit-
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25774
A lot of programming jobs are fun as hell.

>>3812809
How do I study CS properly?

>>3812811
This i also want to know

>>3812701
Try going into game dev. I haven't studied computer science, but I can only assume a lot of the things you learn could easily be applied to more complex concepts like shader programming, rendering engines etc. You'll have a huge advantage over most people who study game dev if you have a computer science degree.

>>3812811
Well, pay attention in class if you're taking a course, read books and mess with sources on git or somewhere. Be proactive, read documentation and how things actually work. Using YouTube tutorials(the current state of them) is one of the worst ways to learn though- nothing is explained and everything is shown in steps. If any of them explains what's going on and tells the implications of doing things in certain ways, then go for it. Otherwise, you may get bad habits like shotgun programming and copy-pasting.
In essence, give an actual fuck about the art. Best way to give a fuck about something in my opinion is to know what it practically can be used for, see if you're interested in it or not, and proceed. Also, give yourself projects. You could try writing a hacking program to hack other programs, for example-- really basic stuff once you know how pointers work.

>>3812818
Yup, having a course that walks you through important things is pretty damn useful. Shader programming and rendering is mostly Trigonometry and Linear Algebra assuming you have an API that lets you draw on the screen.

>>3812818
>Try going into game dev.
what horrific advice, those jobs are worse than bog standard cs jobs by a million miles

>>3812818
I think the University of Utah has one of the best games majors (EAE with a computer science emphasis) in the USA, know a lot of stuff like Pixar was started out there and I know a lot of people come from all over just for it.

>>3812116
So now it's the rich kids, what will you do anon after you run out of excuses? Will you, perhaps, start to take drawing seriously?