/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3794145
seem new and a lot of course aint out yet
need a few lab rats to check it out because professional aint mean shit if you are suck at teaching

>>3794159
well I plan on getting on getting a subscription later so I'll report back

>>3794145
immediate impression is sus af, just because of the art they chose to put up on their big banner

>>3794242
well i take it back, it aint bad.

>>3794145
Some of the painting ones seemed not half bad like Shihou but it's definitely not something I would sub for more than a month for, and certainly not until they had way more resources. Most of the stuff I know already from books or videos, or you can find it online easily. However some of what they cover seems to be a decent all-in-one place for it since so many are too lazy to read.

I'm disappointed that they're dubbed over though. The people who they have voicing the class video introductions are so fucking bad and clearly lack an understanding of Japanese. Audio should be JP with ENG subs. Listen to this shit
>dewjinshi
https://www.mikanschool.org/class_syllabus_hls_play.php?class=CLS592b8c92d42be

>>3794145
>for manga and anime
repent

>>3794239
try to see if you can download their shit

>>3794145

Personally not interested in wacko jappo mango art but I'd definitely be intrigued by a on location digital painting school that put together the best parts of atelier training combined it with a strong emphasis on drawing.

>>3794266
>Shihou
He's pretty great.

>>3794239
ganbare

>>3794145
By the time it has enough content to be worth subscribing to, I probably will have already gotten gud.

>>3794145
I'm kinda interested in all but Dark Mech and Painting Josei Pencil Work, but I feel reluctant throwing 25 bucks at it. Maybe when there's a few more videos.

>>3794274
I personally can't using my flash grabbing shit.

Update on >>3795751
It's all in m3u8, but here is the catch: the video and the subtitles are not together. So not only it'd be a hassle to rip the video, there'd be no subs. Right now, it'd be pretty useless.

I'd rather not have to rip it by recording the whole screen if possible, but these new Amazon-hosted DRM videos are a mess to work with.

>>3795866
i'd rather have it raw than without subs

>>3795887
The subs actually give a lot of insight. I'd rather not rip this at all without them.

For example, this dude worked on Eva and Code Geass and he dead ass says that proper perspective is cool and dandy but gets in the way of cuteness a lot of the times for anime characters, so he avoids it unless he's doing something realistic. It stands at odds with what a lot of people here believe, but his results speak for themselves

>>3795922
>he dead ass says that proper perspective is cool and dandy but gets in the way of cuteness a lot of the times for anime characters, so he avoids it unless he's doing something realistic. It stands at odds with what a lot of people here believe, but his results speak for themselves
I'm aware of that and always having to argue with retards about it here so I can understand wanting to keep them together. Eyes especially don't follow perspective if you read any of the books or watch them draw.

Are the subs in a different file? With ffmpeg you could easily convert it to an mkv container and put the subs inside.

>>3795932
Here is the thing, it's not downloading the subs at all. I'll try to rip with with ffmpeg, but so far, anything else I tried did not bring the subs with it.

>>3795938
not sure how they deliver it but maybe check dev tools and the network tab or sources tab. it might be some encrypted player thing though. some of us understand enough to listen without raws and i'd prefer soft subs to hard subs

>>3795962
It's in WEBVTT and gets loaded through a PHP file, no wonder it didn't show up. Ripping through FFMPG is possible, but it's pretty slow overall. Good thing there aren't that many courses there.

I'll try to start tomorrow if work doesn't get in the way.

>>3796015
You're a bro Anon, thank you and good luck.

>>3796015

>>3795922
I've been watching interviews from Japanese artists and it's interesting to hear their perspective on things. They don't think like western artists at all. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3zoY9LapZERsN7caDKqz0w

>>3796194
If you haven't yet, check out the Urasawa Naoki no Manben videos.

>>3795922
I think you're misinterpreting what he means. It's not that perspective magically prevents cuteness, it's that perspective alone isn't enough to make cute stuff. People that overfocus on perspective usually forgets to take into account of aesthetic, thus their work look less cute.
If "perspective = uncute" really is the law, Disney and Pixar movies would just cease to exist.

>>3796347
That's what I thought he meant. That's also the argument I made multiple times on /ic/, only to be shat on by crabs like many others have.

>new masters academy but for manga and anime
that would be new masters academy too
you can use the vilppu method for drawing anime too its nonstylistic

>>3796330
Thanks!

i wouldnt trust this site... just learn how to draw normally. You can apply your style later when you actually know how to draw because anime is just you know.. a style..

>>3796411
People are mostly waiting for someone to post the content for free and I'm sure everyone knows anime is a style you apply on top of your fundamentals. You're not giving anyone here a revelation.

>>3796417
whats the point you can easily tell that this isnt the best source to learn hardly anything from i mean this guy cant even draw a fucking circle and has chicken scratch lines. a clear indicator of someone who doesn't draw well
its a literal waste of your time th class that are somewhat good are mediocre and you can find much better stuff out there to learn the same thing with better teachers

>>3796424
Your post is a literal waste of time because it's not going to change anyone's opinion or make them not download free resources from anime professionals because an anon told them not to.

>>3796436
can you actually read or comprehend anything
im trying to save people their time
only people who literally can not draw and wishes to draw shitty anime characters one day will ever find this pile of crap useful
also free? these are paid for dingus
doubt anyone will go through the effort to pay and download them all if its even possible through any plugins if not screen record it all but we all know no weeb is going to do so

>>3796569
not that anon but obviously the people interested in this is people that want to draw "shitty anime characters" and regardless of how much great fundamental courses there are in the west, no westerner has succeeded in teaching a proper replication of anime stylization so something like this would be a great deal useful.
>doubt anyone will go through the effort to pay and download them all if its even possible through any plugins if not screen record it all but we all know no weeb is going to do so
You don have to worry yourself about that.

>>3796569
Personally I'd just like some of the painting tutorials, I already know how to draw but struggle with painting in a clean and appealing way.

>>3796569
Save your own time, we do what we want.

Status update: been ripping them all, which is pretty tiresome since most of the steps are manual. Still doable. It's going to take a whole to download them all and to put them up. Here's the first one about positioning characters for shots.

https://mega.nz/#F!fGZXzKAb!Lij-2Zt4J-yuWvmw5gULsg

>>3796599
I'll get those for you too.

>>3796716
Hopefully you're limiting the DL speed, Anon. It might get detected otherwise.

>>3796752
Being careful. Pretty far into it too.

>>3796716
Can you do shihou next? I haven't watched any of the videos but 180 concept just seemed like basic filmmaking stuff of characters being consistently on the side you expect from camera angles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/180-degree_rule

>>3796716
Nice. Thank you anon. Are you planning on doing the digital inking one too?

>>3796716
You're doing god's work anon

Ki Innes - Firm Foundations in Drawing: https://mega.nz/#F!yC4inCZZ!kdCgWEyOTf16v47AoaXCWA

>>3797246
Sure thing, that one might take a bit to upload because it's pretty long but it's downloaded already.

>>3797741
Also downloaded, I took a look at it yesterday and it's really good stuff. Will try to upload it today as well.

>>3797743
Thanks anon, we're all trying to get better and I want to support the board that has helped me a lot so far. We're all gonna make it.

>>3794145
If it's an actual manga school, not just drawing in Japanese anime or Japanese manga style, The only thing you'll get from there worth of money is the comic panel planning.

Interesting, also thanks for posting the videos, I'll subscribe if it helps me, as always.

Hate paying for stuff and then having it be shit.

It's an art video academy. but do they give you exercises to practice the stuff on the videos?

The exercises are the most important in any educational endeavor.

>>3796417
>the guy can't even draw a proper circle

but he's working in the industry and doing shit you can't with your perfect drawn circle lmao.

https://myanimelist.net/people/10043/Manamu_Amasaki

the level of the people here... kek

>>3797922
With the ones I've been watching so far, you're supposed to draw along with the videos, as if someone was teaching you one-on-one. The only one that wasn't like that was the Ginyouharu one, where it's one hour of a silent demonstration of figure drawing from reference in anime style with no speeding up the footage and the next video in that lesson is him going over his thought process during that and offering tips.

>>3797818
Hi, anon, can you get this too?
https://www.mikanschool.org/class_syllabus_hls_play.php?class=CLS596961250c79c

>>3794145
Anime is holding you back anon

>>3798495
It's not, but it's also not for BEG obviously. People should aware that you can't practice Anime straight away, fundies first!

>>3794145
>its like new masters academy
from the look of it
it more likes skillshare/udemy "class"

>>3796411
Anime/manga is a medium

Thanks anon!

Also, why is it bad to do a screen captupe instead of ripping?

>>3799416
Because that requires editing, another layer of work with more margin for errors.

>>3799604
Also, there would be quality loss because of the re-compression.

mikanschool or animeartacademy?

>>3800361
If you're going to rip and share, do animeartacademy.

>>3800436
Why
Mikanschool seems to have more comprehensive content

>>3800462
why do you ask then

>>3800462
Trust me it doesn't...

>>3800462
Because there's someone already ripping mikan, obviously.

>>3800361
animeartacademy doesn't have anything on painting cg, that's a shame...

>>3797818
Thanks OP!
Are you going to upload more?

>>3800833
Yep, trying to finish ripping all the content the past couple of days. It's pretty exhausting.

>>3800905
Thanks anon!

>>3800905
Good work desu!

Thanks for downloading these videos for us. Looking forward to what you are willing to provide for us. I'd love to see those character design videos and the manga drafting ones.

uploaded the Dark Mech Painting: https://mega.nz/#F!GGQXGSBb!91hlEfB4HrXQRFuG3pXbsw

one course left to rip

Best thread no doubt.

I'm personally hyped for the inking/painting one.

But I gotta be honest the anatomy ones seem pretty bad. 2D Pin has better stuff on how to draw anataomy and hair and it's free on youtube...

>>3803897
Anon are you going to upload all of the cpurses or just select ones? Because I would like to have the painting and inking courses, as well as the character design 3 part course too.

Thank you again! If you need help llet us know

>>3803963
>>3803968
Probably not going to upload all of them, but I'm going to upload the inking one next.

>>3803974
How did you rip them anyways? I'll see what I can do

>>3803974

Same anon as >>3803976 and Im interested in all painting classes since I both use CSP and Sai. Its hard to find classes that has actual workflows for them.

Thank you

>>3803974
is the shihou one too big? i saw it looked like 8 hours. probably the first half of the course is the majority of the work and rest is boring process of polishing.

>>3803976
ffmpeg and a lot of patience

>>3803984
2GB

>>3803981
regarding the painting ones, have to let you know the Kono-san one is the only one I didn't get completely because the first two videos have an explanation over the sped up footage while the other several hours of footage (12, I think) are just the same footage in real speed without any audio, so I decided against ripping past the first videos

>>3803897
I downloaded all 3 and Thank you anon for your hard work You're awesome. That being said....

>They are all shit
1.-180 is composition so it's ok I guess? We want to learn to draw not do storyboards tho...
2.-Fundamentals is just a dude rambling and litrerally saying "Buy an anatomy book!" (really? people pay you so YOU teach them jackass)
3.-The mecha painitng is just watchign someone painting something crappy in black and white

So far It feels like a scam not gonna lie...

>>3804007
I wouldn't call it a scam, it's just that what the OP touted it as,
>new masters academy but for manga and anime
was a very hard standard to live up to. I've gotten good courses from places like Palmie and Pixiv's premium subscription that were better than these, but not available in English at all, which is an issue that makes it so hard for people without any understanding of Japanese to get instruction to specific things they do different over there.

>>3803998

I wont mind about skipping the long footage for kono, and if I ever need it that much, I might have to invest in them. (And he uses PS it seems so...)

But aside the digital inking, hopefully you got the rest of the painting ones. Shirai hidemi and Modura one seems to use sai, while Shihou uses csp. Those are big for me at the very least. Thank you for it

>>3804020
>Pixiv's premium subscription
I had a free trial and at the time they just had some picture and video courses that were all very basic. There really wasn't much to get out of them except for some of the scenery things

>>3804020
Maybe not a scam. But yeah they aren't NMA tier they don't really teach what's advertised

>Everyone just watch 2dpin in youtube

it's a chinese channel with anime tutorials that are FREE and much better than this crap.

I repeat fundamentals is just a black guy saying "buy an anatomy book to learn" and rambling about irrelevant shit. What a scam...

>>3796716
>>3797818
>>3803897
well, thanks for actually delivering being the poison taster

>>3804051
>>3803897
Yeah thanks for uploading anon... but sad to say they're pretty bad. You saved us so thanks

>>3804044

Black instructior even had the nerve to advertise his paid "japanese" website... with gues classes by glen vilppu and aarob blaise. What a joke...

You can't make this shit up.

>>3803968
>>3803963

https://mega.nz/#F!jHZwzaJC!VcgiQ7GDP6Xg0cT6WXs1EQ
Ayasugi Tsubaki - MANGA DIGITAL INK

>>3804129
thanks, amigo

>>3804129
>https://mega.nz/#F!jHZwzaJC!VcgiQ7GDP6Xg0cT6WXs1EQ


Thanks a lot bro. if this ones good then it was worth it imo

>>3804129

Thank you anon!

Also
>drawing hair
>tells that gpen should be thin line, thinner on outside, thick on inside, without pen pressure

Already worth it anon

>>3804129
Thanks! Inking is by far the best of the bunch.

>>3804040
which chink channel you're actually referring, because searching 2dpin in web and youtube returns nothing related.
>>3804129
Ya this one is good, if anything since the whole thing is by different people the quality will of course vary.

>>3804437
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqerFtuc6nZ5NnJrsl0epww
It's a great channel, they have one or two playlists in english.

Also you can take a photo with google translate and it will translate shit from chinese pretty well too.

All in all I'd say if you want to use it, aside from their english contributions, just try understand what they're doing and do the same.

>>3804484
Yeap that channel alone is much better than this mikanschool

I tried all 4 anon shred and only inking is worth it. And even that isn't that good (doxxy's is better).... but oh well.

>>3804488
I wish they could try patreon to Idk fund some guy to put caption on their videos, I'd pay ;__;

>>3794145
My reviews

tl;dr They are all shit

>Painting cyborg= Just watching some dude do a crappy black and white painting.
>Fundamentals= Shit . Black guy just shills his website, rambles, and tells you to go learn from a book. (why am I paying you then?)
>180= Compistion for storyboards. Cool and all but We are all here to learn to draw anime....
>Inking= It's good, the best of the bunch but not that great. Only the first video is actually about inking. Then halfassed da tier anatomy explanations

Just go to pin 2d it's Much better and free.
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqerFtuc6nZ5NnJrsl0epww

>>3804491
Same here! In fact I will try to ask them.

>>3804497
Id legit pay 5-10 dollars to them every month. Post results if they respond.

For people wanting to learn anime, this would be one of the if not the best resource in the west.

>>3804507
yeap! Already asked them hope they respond. (they usually do)

In the meantime enjoy the english videos. They already have 3 great playlists in english

Body, hair and clothes have subs.

But yeah most of it is in chinese with not subs :(

I appreciate the uploads but waiting on the painting ones. I didn't bother with 180 and fundamentals because of knowing that shit already. Boy, the other two were worse than I thought and my expectations were already low. I skimmed through "mecha" and it was a complete waste of time even though I barely spent 2 minutes skimming. The inking one was even more basic than most youtube resources. The only useful part was the tone video because I haven't played with them much or seen any resources on common usage. For $25/mo you'd be better off buying books than spending it on these.

The inking one made me more upset because the English voiceover is completely useless.

>>3804129
Thanks, anonymasse

The stuff that is worth ripping (that OP have not ripped already):
-Anime Figure Drawing I
-Anime Character Design I, II, III
-Drafting Story for Manga
They're also probably the most relevant to most people's interest here.
I honestly don't know why you ripped the Mecha one, the thumbnail obviously look like shit and no one here is asking for mecha anyways

>>3804488

The obvious problem is many cant read moonrunes. The point of mikanschool is to at least bridge that gap here. Beggars cant be choosers you know.

Also, thank you again OP. Cant wait for the Painting vids and get some CSP and Sai tips.

>>3804635
Some random dude asked. He didn't even thank op....

Draftng a story is not relevant. This is a drawing place not a writting one. Though the anime character/figure seem to be relevant.

>>3804755
Dude It has 3 channels with english subs. Just read them. it's not that hard.

>>3804507
>patreon
Good news everyone.

>>3804507
They just replid to me. They say they're working on english subs!

>>3804917
Just out of curiosity... what exactly did you ask and what did they respond?

Also thank anon!

>>3805019
Asked for english subs and said they should open a patreon if they needed money for someone to do it.

They said they are already working on english subs and that's their goal for this year.

>>3805030
Nice!

>>3804129
My nigger
Thanks anon

>>3804792

I dont have a problem with the 3 playlists on english (they are perfect btw for what they are teaching. Explains alot). But there are still nothing translated for digital anime painting, especially for csp.

Thats pretty important cuz those little things they are saying matters alot. The mikanschool inking class for example did a tidbit for that gpen brush setting, toning standard and beta as a glimpse of their standard workflow. That is huge for people who dont use photoshop.

>>3804917

Nice! Will be waiting for it! Thanks for contacting them!


Also OP, thank you again, and we will still be waiting for the rest!

>>3804789

Drafting story could be relevant since mangaka in japan draw out there scripts storyboard style. I appreciate all the videos we have gotten so far. Would love to see the character design ones as well, but I'll take whatever OP is willing to share with us.

>>3804129
Pretty good thanks anon.

>>3806137
It’s not relevant to this board. This is a drawing place.

>>3806309
>It's not relevant because I say so
Couldn't be anymore ngmi.
Try living outside your little box sometime.

>>3806309
stop being a retard

>>3806309
lmao

>>3804635
Judging by the depth of these courses so far, I wouldn't have high hopes. "Anime figure drawing" is a meme, learn actual realistic fundies figure drawing then translate to anime. There are already plenty of places to observe figure drawing from twitter, pixiv, and youtube for East Asian influences.

Learning art is about as much practicing and discovering on your own as it is learning from others. Copy as much as you can. You don't understand that in Western society copying has fallen out of fashion. All the good artists you see have spent hundreds or thousands of hours copying the masters or what they consider master work, no one likes to talk about it anymore though.

>>3806309
By the course outline, it actually seems like the only useful one out of the ones mentioned. The character design is probably as useful as the "mech painting"

Figure 1
>Instructor Introduction
>Drafting Faces
>Stylized Faces
>Drafting Hands
>Expressive Hands
Char Design 1
>intro
>New Character Development
>Completing Model Sheet
>Adding Shadow Reference
Char Design 2
>Artist Introduction
>Clean Line Drawing Demo
>Color Regions
>Editing Line
>Drafting A Full Body Model Sheet
Char Design 3
>Artist Introduction
>Character Editing
>Indicating Shadows

>>3807398
>tries to learn writing from artist.


ngmi

>>3807398
>I want force others to miss the chance of actually learning to draw.

NGMI

>>3807808
>>3807814
bait