/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3787688
At least ukiyo-e isnt shit

>>3787700
Missing the point

>>3787688
>Japanese are still the masters of 2D art
Just how do they do it?

>>3787711
I don't know, it feels like I'm almost looking at the precursor to manga/anime when I see ukiyo-e, this style is deeply ingrained.

>>3787711
Rigid education

>A defining feature of most ukiyo-e prints is a well-defined, bold, flat line. The earliest prints were monochromatic, and these lines were the only printed element; even with the advent of colour this characteristic line continued to dominate. In ukiyo-e composition forms are arranged in flat spaces with figures typically in a single plane of depth. Attention was drawn to vertical and horizontal relationships, as well as details such as lines, shapes, and patterns such as those on clothing. Compositions were often asymmetrical, and the viewpoint was often from unusual angles, such as from above.

>The aesthetic of flat areas of colour contrasts with the modulated colours expected in Western traditions and with other prominent contemporary traditions in Japanese art patronized by the upper class

>Typical subjects were female beauties ("'bijin-ga'"), kabuki actors ("'yakusha-e'"), and landscapes. The women depicted were most often courtesans and geisha at leisure, and promoted the entertainments to be found in the pleasure districts. The detail with which artists depicted courtesans' fashions and hairstyles allows the prints to be dated with some reliability. Less attention was given to accuracy of the women's physical features, which followed the day's pictorial fashions—the faces stereotyped, the bodies tall and lanky in one generation and petite in another.

This really was pre-manga art

>"ugh, that sameface!"
-/ic/

>>3787737
They're asians though so honestly they have an excuse.

>>3787757
People and especially armchair artists on 4chan complain about sameface in anime too, not realizing its deliberate roots in the style of ukiyo-e

>>3787688
The impressionists were weaboos, weren’t they?

>>3787816
The very first- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukiyo-e#Introduction_to_the_West

>Aside from Dutch traders, who had had trading relations dating to the beginning of the Edo period,[95] Westerners paid little notice to Japanese art before the mid-19th century, and when they did they rarely distinguished it from other art from the East.[95] Swedish naturalist Carl Peter Thunberg spent a year in the Dutch trading settlement Dejima, near Nagasaki, and was one of the earliest Westerners to collect Japanese prints. The export of ukiyo-e thereafter slowly grew, and at the beginning of the 19th century Dutch merchant-trader Isaac Titsingh's collection drew the attention of connoisseurs of art in Paris

>>3787737
not true, the top one has slightly less squinty eyes than the others

>>3787842
>Japanese art, and particularly ukiyo-e prints, came to influence Western art from the time of the early Impressionists.[111] Early painter-collectors incorporated Japanese themes and compositional techniques into their works as early as the 1860s:[98] the patterned wallpapers and rugs in Manet's paintings were inspired by ukiyo-e's patterned kimonos, and Whistler focused his attention on ephemeral elements of nature as in ukiyo-e landscapes.[112] Van Gogh was an avid collector, and painted copies in oil of prints by Hiroshige and Eisen.[113] Degas and Cassatt depicted fleeting, everyday moments in Japanese-influenced compositions and perspectives.[114] Ukiyo-e's flat perspective and unmodulated colours were a particular influence on graphic designers and poster makers.[115] Toulouse-Lautrec's lithographs displayed his interest not only in ukiyo-e's flat colours and outlined forms, but also in their subject matter: performers and prostitutes.[116] He signed much of this work with his initials in a circle, imitating the seals on Japanese prints.[116] Other artists of the time who drew influence from ukiyo-e include Monet,[111] La Farge,[117] Gauguin,[118] and Les Nabis members such as Bonnard[119] and Vuillard.[120] French composer Claude Debussy drew inspiration for his music from the prints of Hokusai and Horoshige, most prominently in La mer (1905).[121] Imagist poets such as Amy Lowell and Ezra Pound found inspiration in ukiyo-e prints; Lowell published a book of poetry called Pictures of the Floating World (1919) on oriental themes or in an oriental style.[122]

Now fast forward to today, nothing has changed, artists the world over continue to be inspired by Japan and its art now as then.

>>3787844
My, what sharp eyes you have

>>3787849

>please help me, i've been reduced to carving shitty videogame and anime meme drawings by a talentless hack

>>3787759
Anyone who lewds Gudako goes directly to hell

>Being inspired by only Japan
Limiting

>>3787711
Because they are mediocre at 3D art.

Even their 3D animation is bad compared to American 3D animation.

>>3787713
>it feels like I'm almost looking at the precursor to manga/anime when I see ukiyo-e
That's because, in a way, it actually is.
Very early manga artists and illustrators took influence from traditional japanese art with little-to-no influence from western sources.
It wasn't until WW2 that manga would take influence from western sources, like Disney, golden-era animation and american comics.
Even to this day, the vast majority of japanese manga artists try to incorporate traditional japanese art into their work in one way or another. This is partially the reason why western-drawn anime doesn't look "authentic" most of the time.

>>3787711
They can't keep getting away with this.

>>3787986
(You) are for lewd

>>3788287
So we can put to rest this "anime/manga came from Disney" argument then?

>>3787999
>Being inspired by only Loomis
Limiting

>>3788762
Well, although modern anime and manga partially came from Disney, it would be more accurate to say that it was Disney through a japanese filter.
The japanese really love appropriating stuff and putting their own spin on it.

>>3789522
Has a single westerner ever managed to capture the Japanese art style?

>>3789525
BahiJD literally works for anime studios. Cut it out with the meme.

>>3789522
>The japanese really love appropriating stuff and putting their own spin on it.

I've noticed, that's what I love about Japanese creativity

>>3789525
Ilya has
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0C_pJlLQi8

>>3790042

Although most Japanese artists were very heavily inspired by western artists and western art fundamentals when they were introduced to Japan, to the point that most artists abandoned the traditional techniques in favour for more advanced western ones.

>>3790051

>>3790065
They didn't abandon them, they learned from them, just like the west learned from the Japanese styles.

>>3790073
Many Japanese artists did abandon Japanese techniques in favour for western. The Yōga art movement in Japan.

>>3790071