/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3783720
ref1

>>3783721
ref2

How do I stop getting horny when I see models on figure drawing sites?

>>3783730
I know this struggle

>>3783730
fap then draw

>>3783734
genius

>>3783730
>draw model
>reward self with fap
>only fap when you finish a drawing
>drawing drive becomes as powerful as your sex drive

>>3783734
I thought fapping kills your gains

>>3783773
only if you're weak

Doing anatomy studies and I learned a lot from this, but holy shit. I'm just going to simplify the ribs from now on. I'll learn to do them more easily later, but they took over half of the drawing time.
Right shoulder blade is also too big

>>3783797
>>3783797
y/n?

His right arm looks a bit fucked to me, how do i improve it?

a sketch challenge

I'm about to start grinding figure drawing for the first time. What are the most important things I should keep in mind? Are there any common bad habits that I should avoid?

Studies from the Women's March. I feel like I shouldn't be inking with the G pen. Gestures should be more active.

Staples Optiflow pen drawing.

Not being able to shade is the primary reason I’ve given up on drawing in the past. I get the concept behind it, but have a hard time implementing it in my own work.

I’m trying to work through Figure Drawinng with Loomis and he says it’s a hard jump that makes a lot of people quit.

Any advice for getting it down? Or books/videos that deal with this?

Pic related - I know I suck

What stabilizer level is good enough that i don't feel like im drawing in pixelated lines?
I did some sketches and 4 felt alright but at the same time 15 feels really smooth and easy to use, but i'm afraid it might teach me bad habits

>>3783798
depends, do you sweat onto your screen? does your hand not slide well? do you smudge your screen alot?
dont think getting one of these will make you a better artist, its just a problem solver

>>3783890
Who cares? Seriously digital tools are inherently shitty, try using a smartphone without interpolation on your inputs. The grit of your pen or pencil on paper acts as a stabilizer as well. It's literally no different from using a straghtedge for lines or an elipse guide. Use what feels the nicest. Personally I can't sketch or paint at all with stabilizer on but I won't ever ink with it off.

>>3783886
That's a lot of symbol drawing, you should learn to draw first.
Read Keys to drawing, or Drawing with the right side of the brain. Read the sticky too.

>>3783924
I hate that pic.

are there any resources about facial expressions and body language for autists like me?

>>3783720
should I not start figure drawing until i'm done with right side of the brain?

>>3783929
Why?

>>3783720
Does anyone know how joints line up and how to get them in the right place? Like how the elbow joint lines up approximately with the navel.. But when I move the arms in a different position how do I know they are lining up with the navel? Help appreciated.

>>3783895
Wait. This is only needed for tablets with screens? It has no application to screenless tablets? I am sweating and sliding on my tablet.

back, did 3 point cubes with only single lines over the scratchy way I was doing it before

this the right way to continue with?

>>3783890
4 is the best one, definitely.

>>3783734
>Be a delayed ejaculator
>Fapping takes 3+ hours
I don't have the time to do that every time I want to draw.

>>3783720
Help a brother out. Why is my lighting so shit?

>>3784188
the lighting is the last of your problems son

>>3784193
What do you mean specifically?

>>3784188
>>3756042

>>3784188
me on the left

>>3784224
You understand this is /beg/, right? I assume you see something wrong with it that I don't. If you don't elaborate, how do you expect me to get any better?

>>3784188
anatomy and gesture needs work

>>3784241
Anatomy I can use Hampton or Vilppu for, but I've never been good with gesture. Always hit or miss for me. Any tips for dynamism/less stiff figures?

drawabox says not to grind. at least as far as his exercises are concerned? fair enough but I need to grind, it keeps the existential dread at bay. what are the best fundamental exercises for grinding?

What can I do to improve?

what do I draw to improve

>>3784273
Nothing. It's perfect.

>>3784276
thanks bro

how do i visualize the waist/hip/pelvis zone in 3d space, it just seems like a total clusterfuck for my brain when i can see the ribcage/torso perfectly fine

>>3784316
I have the same problem, only everything is a clusterfuck for me rather than just the pelvis

Gesture drawing is very important for my future as an artist, right? You're just supposed to "feel" it or whatever, but then how do I know if I am doing it right?

I've been 3d modeling for a long time but now I want to get into 2D. Critique very appreciated

>>3784363
Loomis. Could you post your 3D work?

>>3783720
>my scribbles in the OP
i am gonna make it

>>3783802
Only his arm looks fucked up to you? My advice is clean your glasses.

>>3784132
Now start rotating the box

>>3784443
whoops, posted before I typed. Ive got a decent shape, but how do I even start to learn about shading? any videos or anything I could read that you'd suggest? any criticism more than welcome as well

Here is something I drew. I've been doing this for two months or so.

I followed some reference with this and made some adjustments myself, it's Kumatora from Mother 3 wearing a Bikini with Boy Shorts bottoms. Hopefully I am getting the hang of this, but is there any obvious critiques or things I should work on? Besides the left hand being the wrong fucking way hahah I will have to fix that tomorrow.

>>3784449
is she covering her collarbones with the bikini top?

>>3784459
Are you fucking high? That's her back. Her back is facing the camera. Though, you are right, I think the bikini top string is too far up her back. Also looking back on the picture, the curve of her back looks way too low and the front of her body should be pushed out further.

Gimmie some advice, now that I am looking at the legs I feel like need more work
I wanted to draw some Redwall related stuff because I'd love to actually visualise some of the writings

>>3784361
When it doesn’t look like shit

>>3784470
NGMI desu

>>3784193
Underrated

>>3784472
Gee, thanks.
>>3784477
I guess I stayed up too late and now I am posting during "unhelpful dickhead" hours. I can try to gleam some idea of what you mean with your enlightening "constructive criticism". You're saying the bikini top is too high up her back and wouldn't match up to where her breasts would be on the front of her body?

>>3784132
Stop wasting your time, get Olson's course

>>3784481
Yes, that’s what he’s saying, you retarded newfag.

>>3784277
fuck off gilrambo wannabe

>>3784471
Legs are squished together vertically way too much make them longer especially the foot part. The other thing is he is not in balance he is falling over to the right a good rule of thumb is to place the feet on the ground under the shoulders but when drawing character with quadruped hind legs it can become very tricky because the leg is made of three major parts instead of two that humans have with the feet resting on the ground you need to try to have the three parts in balance in both length and size and keep the place where they touch the ground also balanced with the body's center mass. It also causes the pelvis to tilt forward and the back to arc more keep that in mind.

You could try making him have human legs or keep with the quad legs instead both works.

>>3784535
Cheers mate, is there any kind of reading that you would recommend or will it just come to practice over time

>>3784539
Can't really recommend any specific reading but there are plenty of tutorials online on how to draw furry/anthro anatomy, it pays to take look even id you are not a furfag. Just google "how to draw furry/anthro legs" or similar stuff and that should cover you. Granted there are plenty of shitty tutorials there are good ones too.

>>3784548
Took a second swing at it, I cant really tell the difference between legs now, its not quite perfect but it looks a lot better, I think.
Thanks for help

This is my first ever Charcoal, I think it looks like shit but I'm glad i went through with my funny idea, in a way I think the roughness of the rendering makes it funnier. That might be just me tho

I've been drawing for years and my effort finally paid off. I will sell my first drawing. How much would be a fair price for a piece with the level of quality of the related pic?

>>3784188
how's that even possible?

>>3784237
>>3784188
The light's direction is very unclear here and there is not visible difference between the main light and reflected light. The light and color shifts between the two characters is very apparent, the female one had very hard turn from yellow to purple the male has very little turn from skin to skin. Furthermore both characters are too light way more darker spots are needed, this is also quiet apparent compared to the background (I know it is unfinished but I must note that here as well.) There is no reflected light from the wall or from the ground, no ambient occlusion between the two characters either.

Anatomy could use corrections too but you requested feedback on the shading.

I am new to all of this. I started out with expensive oil pastels just for fun, but now I want to do oil painting. I've watched a lot of videos of people doing oils. Takes longer to dry, more products required...
but I have a question. I've never been blessed with the ability to really draw. I am in love with paintings that depict people. Do I need to get good at drawing first, or do I just jump straight into oil painting for beginners? Any books or videos anyone recommends? Thanks

How do I get past the "symbol drawing" stage
What do I draw
How do I stop myself from getting angry after drawing 5 lines
I don't know what my goal is, the sticky is just like "done this? great, now you know how to do this" no I fucking don't

>>3784665
it only looks like shit because you used the charcoal like you would a pencil or a pen

hmm...

Say where would be a good place to post art if your new?

>>3784789
right here.

>>3784795
I was talking about a social media site

>>3784795
right now.

I don't give a shit about improving anymore

>>3784816
that is cool but then please leave the thread okay?

>>3784824
no, i want to stain this thread

>>3784364
I'm trying to do Loomis heads but I suppose it's going to take more practice to really get it right.

Pic related, I'm not the best 3d artist in the world but it still feels like drawing is like starting over which is frustrating.

>>3784852
it is baby SHODAN :3
so how can we help you mate?

>>3784857
Just critique of my stupid drawings. I want to ask for the "secret" to drawing but I know it's just practice

>>3784775
Yeah that's most likely it, I don't know how to handle it

WIP, face is starting to look fucking rediculous, maybe its because I havent really bothered with the rest of the body. Any noticeable anatomy mistakes?

>>3784249
Rewatch the Vilppu videos man, he explains this shit in the first lesson.

>>3784974

Look very closely at his left arm.

>>3784751
bumping this. Anyome even do oil anymore?

>>3784361
Right now, you're drawing a lot of silhouettes. You want your gestures to communicate movement, flow, and weight-- that's it. Gestures don't capture anything literal.

>>3785012
I didn't know he had videos, I was referring to his book. Are those behind a paywall?

>>3784751
Draw first. You can only paint as good as you can draw.

>>3785031
Not if you're resourceful.

>>3785013
Yeah it needs to be much larger, hand should be bigger too, I'll probably fuck it all up

>>3785036
It's not a matter of size so much as it is that you don't understand the forms, insertion, and action of the muscles. Get a ref.

I spent an hour and a half yesterday sketching the basic shapes, then went a bit faster making his feathers. I still have the bottom right to do, but I am a bit exhausted now as it took a ton of patience and effort to get to this point. Hopefully that aspect of art gets easier as you improve. One curious thing is I felt like the feathers had ruined my sketch initially, but now that it's all together the wings look pretty okay.

This is only my second animal drawing so I'm not too worried about flaws, I'll just move on and finish this later. Feedback is appreciated, hope you enjoy!

>>3785052
Good job anon

>>3785035
Found them.
https://mega.nz/#F!RIx3TJxJ!_Nna8t01kPxENJ8KSzXqwg!EUJHgKAZ
Thanks for not spoonfeeding me

I’ve been trying to learn Procreate by drawing tarot interpretations. I think I’m getting the hang of it? Not really sure what brushes or pens I should be focusing on though.

I'm the /beg/gest of the /beg/s, literally just starting Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
I'm did the vase/face exercise and I don't get it. There was literally no issue here, I kept re-doing it too forcing myself really hard to think about what part of the 'face' I was at but I still didn't have the conflict. Am I retarded or what?

>>3785081
Nah, the point is just to make you aware of how your brain processes visual information.

>>3785064
You're welcome, enjoy.

>>3785052
Aye he drew the fuckin owl

>>3783789
I think this looks really good anon, just remember to keep balance/weight distribution in mind when drawing the figure

>>3783802
his arm looks wrong because you don't know anatomy. Try studying a bit before jumping into stylization. I like the expression you achieved.

>>3784076
>But when I move the arms in a different position how do I know they are lining up with the navel? Help appreciated.

This is where perspective comes in. It's incredibly difficult to deal with shifts in anatomy if you don't understand perspective.

>>3784361
You're on the right track in terms of gesture - loose, transitory, almost poetic. Don't think too much about it and just do it as quickly as possible.

>>3784974
I like your ambition. Good color, dynamic pose. If you had the anatomical and perspective knowledge to back that up, you'd be set.

>>3785052
Love this. Keep up the hard work and you'll make it anon

>>3785081
The Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is just a meme. It based on a Brain function hemispheres theory from 1968. The drawing exercises from the book are useful practice but it tries to give them a deeper meaning which isn't really necessary.

>>3785052
Looks really nice Anon, keep up the good work.

couple pages of sketches from this month so far. Crit appreciated. 1/2

>>3785114
2/2

>>3785104
Yeah, I know enough about functional asymmetry and that to just skip the pop-sci and get to the art lessons, I just felt like I was missing out on some insight into the artistic thought process, especially after going from that to the upside-down Stravinsky

>>3785032
damn, I thought the two had no connection

>>3785114
I can recognise Adama, so you're doing something right there

>>3785131
haha , glad to hear it m

>>3785114

>>3785146
you made my day, cheers.

>>3785146
top keks

some bridgeman studys for today

Why the fuck are there so many digital art programs? What do each one have that's different?

>>3785197
photoshop is the industry standard. Coral painter has a good brush engine for emulating traditional styles. Krita is free and much like photoshop. Don't think you can go wrong with any of them as a beginner. More advanced features is where I usually see them differ greatly

I spent 2 hours using construction on this fluctuating between thinking it's shit and being OK with it. I used all of my Hampton on the right guy,really like how that torso turned out.
But now I can't stop seeing that leg as a cock.


Any advice is needed.

>>3785211
what about medibang pro?

>>3783720
any good resource on drawing features of the face
I'm struggling with eye nose and lip

I spent 2 hours using construction on this fluctuating between thinking it's shit and being OK with it. I used all of my Hampton on the right guy,really like how that torso turned out.
But now I can't stop seeing that leg as a cock.


Any advice is needed.

>>3785227
draw it again.

>>3785194
please tell me where to improve

>>3785194
you should make sure your construction lines all line up like in 2nd to top left the tilted face the lines don't stay straight like in bridgemans version. also the eye looks symbol drawn and much bigger on our right side of it.
pretty much work on keeping things straight if its straight in the original.

>>3785224
not sure. I see people use it for line art and weeb stuff. So if that's what you're into go for it.

i have been drawing regularly for over a month now. today i tried oil paintings for the first time. i would apreciate any critique, etc...
i started with gessop on a piece of old cardbord i found. i then drew rough otline (realy hard over gessop so will do under next time) than i did background drapery and finaly just kind winged the rest.

>>3785255
here is the reference i used. just an old tshirt and some random items i found arround the house/stable

How accurate are these placements?
Please note the forearms aren't traced/labeled because I haven't gotten that far yet. I'll be replying to this post with the original photo, if anyone wants to help show me my mistakes.

>>3785272
The pronator group is what's given me the most grief so far, since I realized that the brachialis and coracobrachialis are only partially visible, in the gaps the biceps brachii leaves.
Though yeah, I'll obviously have to keep practicing these.

>>3785272
>>3785278
micropenis

>>3785298
Don't talk about my wife like that.

>>3785298
>it's literally behind his leg

>>3785278
what is he thinking about?

>>3784674
Is this Realism or Caricature-Realism style?

Are mark making exercises really helpful or is it a meme? How much time should I dedicate to mark making relative to everything else?

How are these 5 min figure drawings?

>>3785602
not loose enough and I suggest drawing cross contour line to create cylinder
no need to shade at your level
proportion can be work later

>>3785585
The more solutions you have, the better your shit is. Really helpful for landscape sketches and architecture. Don't spend too much time on it though unless you do work in ink.

>>3785610
thank you, something like this?

faces are fucking gay

anyone have good female back references? theyre usually too undetailed/nonmuscular in my drawings so its almost like a tube and a bending fleshy crack down the middle

>>3785615
yep instantly better
crosscontour lines can create solid feel help improve proportion
now draw zillion of them try 1&2 mins gesture too

>>3785618
sexy

>>3785618
give original pic pls

>>3785627
from hyper angle 3

>>3785618
>faces are fucking gay
agree

>>3785629
Thank you

Alright, first time drawing ever in my life. Drew two cartoon faces from Andrew Loomis Gum with a Pencil. One Americana la creatura, one kinda Brad looking smirky guy.

I have no ego, tell me how I did. The goal is be able to draw good cartoons, not realism. I have the "drawing on the right side of brain" and some perspective book from the sticky ordered and arriving soon. I have some cheap graphite and charcoal pencils.

1/2
Hey guys... here's my progress since last year. I started around may but then went full stop around october. I suffer from mild depression and have problem focusing at anything, my rough sketches and gestures are quite shitty. Currently, I can only draw bodies using references, can do somewhat decent faces, but I have to polish bodies for hours to get a mediocre result. I'm fucking bad at drawing hands and feel anxious whenever I have to draw them, so I leave them for last.

Anyway, this is going to sound cringy as hell, but a couple weeks or so I saw that Jordan Peterson video about taking aim and actively pursuing something so you don't regret later. I decided to five a try one more time, and finished three pieces this month. Is there any hope for me? Currently trying to learn how to draw feet.

can an animefag explain what these lines in pic related are supposed to represent? (circled in red)

is the artist drawing the shadow of the nose or some shit? what is the meaning of this

>>3785688
oops pic didnt get attached. here it is

>>3785688
>the shadow of the nose
Yep

>>3785690
It's a very simplified mix of the nose shade + shade area.

>>3785695
thanks.

Is a course like Dynamic Sketching enough? Do I need other courses to cover things like composition and color theory?

>>3785721
lmao
isn't the name enough for you to understand
it's just sketching
also no human stuff too

>>3785724
I'm not really sure if I want to be good at art or just get better at sketching and have better looking stuff in my sketchbook.

>>3785730
dude dude
it's universal agree by most master that
one has to learn to draw to do paint
if you look at CGMA they teach DS first then digital stuff

could I get a redline or some advice for the lower body? I have no idea what to do with legs in general after the knees (and even then, I dont even know how to place the legs).

>>3783890
no rules, only tools.

>>3785775
just my /beg/ attempt

>>3785225
aside from working on the placement of the features, remember that a lot of the lines of the face aren't really lines at all. e.g. the seperation of the lip to the skin of the face isnt demarcated by a hard black line line you make with a pencil; it's a shift from a red shade to a lighter skintone shade. I'd start by making your general head shape then mark the general places where eyes/nose/mouth are and then move on to the hard dark lines, like the upper eyelids, eyebrows, line separating the lips, etc.

>>3785673
good enough to earn a couple commissions probably. use lots of social media (twitter, IG, etc...) and keep working at it.

>>3785775

Not sure if I am drawing too small or if my mixed media paper is the issue... or that I am using reactivated paints instead of fresh but the struggle with this was real.

I know part of it was that my color/value range didn't have enough contrast, and I was only working with the three primary colors. (+ black and white in gouache)

a very quick glitchy rabbit pixel I made yesterday

>>3785775
no idea
https://www.sendspace.com/file/224o4n

>>3785650
you are going to have to draw from life or ref. you need to get an ide of where things go and how they relate. also practice line work, shading and perspective. what is most important is that you draw every day.

>>3785690
What >>3785695 said is true. the line artist likes to stylize and suggest some shape to the nose by adding the shade or the light there to give it more shape. However the problem is that the rest of the image doesn't obey that rule and the light seems to come fro mall over the place.

My quick attempt to show it a bit more detailed (at least how I guess it is) but yeah as soon as you start adding detail it gets into uncanny valley territory. Since this is animation so it needs to be clean and simple so styleization works way better and detail is way less important.

>>3785775
>>3785775
Torso in general is too short compared to the arms in my opinions the upper leg also seems too short. My main concern is that the legs just feel flat and small compared to the rest of the body.

Here is am idea. If you have got a full body mirror at home go and do the pose after the sketch and measure the relationship with the body and limbs. Always pay attention to the relationship between the torso and the limbs it can save you a lot of hassle.

Keep it up Anon!

>>3785227
Major props for all the massive details you made Anon, I remember your work from earlier. You clearly spend a great deal of care and effort with the details good job at that especially for using no digiutal materials. Again big props to that! I also really like that you are not afraid to tackle such a topic with more than one character and in the middle of more interesting poses.

I would advise you take a bit of time and and tone the details a bit, practice a bit of gesture and movement and foreshortening so that you could put more emphasis on the movement. It is not that your pic is bad but I feel you could already improve this by just switching up the poses. Most notably the character behind (not sure about the names I am not up to date on Dragon Ball) his pose feels a bit stiff and static even tough he just probably did some high speed doge or something.

The face of the front character is bit awkward, the mouth and teeth is too big for this angle and feels flat. The eyes also seem empty and unfocused towards the direction of the punch he is throwing I am not sure how much he is angry or anything or if he is just berserk or something but it doesn't seem to match with the action he is performing.

Here is my shitty attempt at it without changing it too much.

>>3785881

Do you realize you are drawing the guy as left-handed?

Any advice bros?

>>3785688
it's a very simple outline of a plane of the nose. Sometimes people who stylize art with linework (esp anime artists) will rather than shading, just add a thin outline on a section of whatever that would not be visible, but is there.

Someone below replied by shading it in, but that's not entirely accurate, because it's just meant to depict the plane, and not the value. If done well it can imply depth and complexity to an otherwise simple line drawing. Kill la kill is kind of a bad example. Their art is good but it's also somewhat inconsistent. Being able to do it (and in a way that reads properly) is difficult, and a sign of someone really understanding how to depict form with lines. This simplified head should give you an idea of what they're going for when they do that.

>>3784367
Oh yeah, remember seeing you in that thread with the croc.

i tried to draw a christmas ornament from my tree

I drew this today. Trying to work on perspective. Very Beginner, any tips?

tried different angles for boxes, still far from ready for actually stuff past shapes

>>3786263
I don't understand how the left thumb can be in this side of the hand

I know my lines are incredibly messy, but are my proportions and stuff correct?

>>3786279
Oh dang. I'll fix that

Gesture drawings, or scribbles of a retarded child? I don't know how these are supposed to help

Did the stravinsky thing suggested in the sticky, first time.

>>3786319
pretty good, but i would try to improve the proportions of the torso and legs. also instead of making the whole body one shape i would try to divide it into separate parts to make the bodies more anatomically correct

>>3784443
>Ive got a decent shape
No. You haven't.
Try to study forms first, then anatomy, try to get the book Morpho, reference your drawings. Because this is definitely not a good shape.

>>3785905
wow, thanks. honestly idk why they bother including it at all

oddly urs looks natural enough

>>3786319
They help you think about the motion of the body so you don't make it look stiff as fuck. You're drawing silhouettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y sould help.

First time posting, used a reference for this one

>>3786000
tyler seem a little stiff, idrk lighting and rendering but from my amateur eyes it looks good. love that movie too, btw

>>3786324
>tfw mine keep coming out horizontally squished
I thought it was weird how people would grind drawabox, but now I see why they grind

>>3786069
i thought you weren't supposed to give minor plane changes their own line

I've have been autisticly interested in buildings my entire life and after a long convalescence I'm finally getting my shit together and I've decided that architecture is one of the few career paths that might not make me depressed.
Does anyone have any specific advice that applies parallel to the stuff in the sticky?

>>3783720
>dude just feel the flow lol just feel the pull just use flowing lines lmao
How do i do this nigger

Do your still life work kids.

>>3784182
you might need to loosen your grip and stop using porn to masturbate.

>>3786485

>>3785225
Practice practice practice, in my opinion you should start over. You're going into detail when the figure and distribution of positive/negative space are still incomplete. What you have so far (the face) isn't that bad imo and I believe with enough time you could refine them, but that won't help if the measurements of the figure itself are off in the first place.

Here's something I found on /ic/ a while back, hope it helps.

Is it worth it to see a drawing through to the end just for the take of breaking the habit of leaving things unfinished? I'm genuinely curious. On one hand, breaking the habit of just leave shit alone sounds beneficial, but on the other I feel like I'm just continually polishing a turd. Am I necessarily helping or hurting myself by doing this?

>>3784076
holy shit, please refrain from using ms paint.

>>3785991
Oh shit, I should keep that in mind the next time I draw someone sword fighting.

>>3786543
It depends. Sometimes it's good just to get what you feel like you need out of a drawing for practice. But it can be good to finish full works too so that you learn later stages of the process.

Also 'polishing a turd' is a terrible mindset. Your works are always going to have things that could've made them better no matter how good you get. If small mistakes make it so you can't finish a piece you'll never finish anything.

>>3786552

Not that a swordsman or a martial artist can't be lefties, but I think it's one of those things that should be by design rather than by accident.

Is this childish

>>3786554
That puts it into great perspective, anon. Thank you

Did some figure shit

>>3786495
topkeks

>>3786564
It is not childish, it is a bit disturbing at most Anon. I must ask are you having anxiety or depression problems?

>>3786569
Some more stuff I drew

>>3786543
It helps to know when to burn it and start over. Anon is right about turd polishing, it isn't small mistakes that make something bad, but if the whole thing is fucked, it's better to go back and do some more thumbnails before you start over.

Started "rendering"...

>>3786499
face is alright, hair is weird.

>>3786592
>>3786569
Are you sure you are /beg/ Anon?

>>3786564
you're not special.

>>3786581
Most of my life.
>>3786609
Are you?

>>3784188
I can tell you're a virgin just by how bad that anatomy is [spoiler]The entry canal of the vagina isn't right in front of her like that. It's more like directly under her

>>3786608
This look draw thread worthy to you

>>3786615
Thanks, while on the topic of anatomy, what else stands out?

>>3786602
The line art has wildly different values, but if that's the darkest layer you put down, it looks spiffy

I have this awful habit of drawing the head of a character first and putting a lot of effort into that, and then drawing the rest of the image after and getting lazy. Any advice to keep my attention span up and also critiques on the drawing?

>>3786622
Thank you. My scanner has issues. Also, that is my 2nd Darkest. That's N6 Copic. N8 will be my darkest, I'm currently looking at a Proko vid on shading and moving forward with that.

>>3786614
Sorry to hear so but bro, take it from me that drawing can help depression. Keep drawing and draw it out of you, even if just means scribbling random lines on the paper it helps. Draw, it doesn't matter what just keep drawing and drawing it helps.

Not sure if you are using pen, seems like pen which is great. No matter what is in your mind sadness, happiness, ambition, defeat whatever, draw it do not worry about quality or what you are drawing just draw whatever, draw it out of you. Okay? There is nothing childish about it and you don't have to feel bad about it you do it to help yourself. It will help trust me, when you are at your lowest point of depression/anxiety just draw it out of you whatever come into you mind, be it a monster or something horrific. Just draw it out even if it just random scribbly lines.

Keep drawing as much as you can, draw all of it out of you, no matter what it is!

>>3786487

>>3786641
Thank you.

>>3783720
progress
my shading game is wicked sick (like mortally ill dying on the porch) so im gonna hve to go HARD, you know what im saying

2nd Layer...

>>3786882

>>3785890
Thanks anon. I have no ego so I am willing to do whatever. I have the books ordered & I'm ready to hone in on whatever basic skills are needed.

In the mean time, I went to park today and attempted to draw a tree in the current light. Didn't bother with leaves, the body looks a bit awkward, but to me OK first attempt at shading and lighting.

Please give feedback at how I get better! Be honest

>>3786937
Here's a picture of the reference. A bit out of proportion, I ran out of room lol.

>>3785618
>>3785632
easiest of all human parts to draw for me

>>3786646
You weren't finished.

Don't be afraid to leave questions where edges are. Defining where each individual object ends/touches another leaves the viewer with nothing to do. Also smooth objects like the pitcher wouldnt have hard shadow transitions, but it's good you're not afraid of them.

I found it weird the background was fully lit but the foreground wasnt.

Tryong to do proko's back muscle stuff, and, what's that bump I've circled? What's going on in there?

Drawing makes me feel like shit every time I try. I wish I never started drawing.

>>3787004
In the middle of the circle is Teres Major, which can easily be found to the right of the triangle dimple. And on the bottom of the circle is the bulging of Serratus Anterior ( Latissimus Dorsi is a very thin muscle that doesn't add much volume in itself anywhere other than below the armpit).

>>3787032
Thanks, I kinda skipped over the shoulder muscles because last time someone told me not to bother with them..
Turns out, they were full of shit.

>>3787035
Read Goldfinger Anatomy. Actually read it from top to bottom, and study the diagrams of cross sections. Try to connect what you read in the books with what you see in photographs.

You'll figure it out in no time. Anatomy is nothing but a 3 dimensional puzzle.

>>3783720
>be an absolute beginner
>try to draw a foreshortened arm+hand
>desecrate kino anime
>am_i_retarded.png

I realised halfway that I needed to give the figure more depth.
Fingers are derpy, I know, I have to practice drawing hands.
Her face looks a bit off. Too round? Needs a pointier chin? Too boyish?

Took me probably 2h 30m-3 hours. Most of the time was wasted with getting the arm right. By "absolute beginner" I mean it, it's the 4th drawing I've actually put effort into, after two decades of thinking you're either talented at drawing or you'll never be able to draw.
Overall it was enjoyable, feels good to be able put the dumb shit you come up with on paper, a poor rendition is better than no rendition at all.

References are Spike's "Bang" scene from Cowboy Bebop and Inazuma from Kancolle.

>>3786609
these are neat Anon, I like drawing like that too

>>3787066
stop chicken scratching
learn 3 dimensional forms and construction

>>3783720
A bowsette I made.

>>3787093
the left thigh is too thin, think about it in three dimensions, right now it would have to be half-way inside the right thigh if it would be big enough
also god those eyes

>>3783720
Bowsette I did.

>>3783720
A bowsette I did.

is using selection tools when learning to draw/paint detrimental to the learning process?

I sometimes have an easier time drawing a shape with the lasso tool and then filling it and painting it over.

Feels like a crutch, then again I'm using digital anyway..

>>3787100
>>3787096
This still applies

>>3787102
use pen and paper

>>3787058
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it.

Tried backs again, I think I got a better grasp of it.

>>3784443
>6000x6000

I don't know why but this and the drawing made me laugh

does this pupper look weird?

>>3787179
teeth look too long

>>3787181
good catch

How can I enjoy drawing when everything I try to draw looks like trash? I want to enjoy the process but I feel like I might as well be a retarded monkey smearing turds on a page.

>>3787317
fix your process

>>3787317
I don't want to be discouraging, but you should rethink why you're drawing in the first place. If you're only doing it because you think it'll be fun once you get good at it, you should consider another hobby maybe.
A lot of things would be fun if you'd be good at it, but if you don't enjoy the path to getting good, you're just doing yourself a disservice.

>>3783720

My entry for an ART1 class project. Thoughts?

>>3787317
Try to realize that what you draw today is just one step on a long journey and thus its quality is insignificant. So if it turns out shit, it turns out shit, it is just one from the many you will make.

We get hung up on the idea that the current art are we create defines us as an artist and maybe even a person. We identify with it too much as if looking into a mirror and then judge ourselves based on what we see in that mirror. This is nothing new this happens to everyone that is not yet confident in what they do be it art or any performance.

Try to put less emphasis that what you are doing today will be your "masterpiece" the sum total of all the knowledge and skill you have and thus demand that it will be as amazing as you see it in your head (which is impossible by the way) or "that other person's work." If you feel like that when doing art the it is time to take a short break and clear your head because you are focusing too much on a theoretical future result instead being in the present and focusing work you are doing. You need to clear your head and then you can get back to what you are doing.

Do not be afraid or ruining it, in fact developing the courage to completely ruin it or actually ruining a few of your works on purpose is an extremely liberating experience. You will need to acquire this anyway because every time you try something new like learning different coloring or rendering you will inevitably feel that you are ruining your picture because it doesn't seem to go the way you wanted. But if you stick to it the picture will take shape, I know this from experience.

Keep at it Anon!

>>3783886
As the other Anon said, read those 3 things (Drawing on the Right side of your Brain and Keys to Drawing.) Personally, I felt that Keys helped me not symbol draw as much. Also watch Proko's construction. The more you expand how to draw things closer to how you see it, you should notice how things react to light and darkness. Don't give up, beginning is the fun bit when you slowly go from dogshit to just shit.

>>3784665
I fucking love this so much. I’m usually to lazy to post but just wanted to tell you it’s awesome and it reminded me of this pic lol

>>3787340
I don't know what else I can do. I don't find anything else too interesting, I don't have any passions. I feel bad for thinking I could draw. I guess sunk-cost fallacy is what makes me keep thinking I could try to learn. gdi

>>3787346
wtf is happening

>>3787370
Guy shoots blast, other guy dodges, then flings on of his own, then he dodges. Class is supposed to make a comic/manga. Everyone's gotta do 1 page.

>>3787370
Art.

>>3787340
>If you're only doing it because you think it'll be fun once you get good at it, you should consider another hobby maybe.

This is really bad advice. There's a lot of stuff I really got into once I wasn't total trash at.

You should love the journey, and it's possible to cultivate passion.

How did I do? I think the cast shadow is incorrect or contradictory to the lighting on her left thigh. Critiques for my past drawings were that I lack a sense of light source and I pillow shade. I don't know how to get better without trial and error though

>>3785269
>>3785255
gotta work on your values babycakes. look at your horseshoe and skull, the reference goes all the way from black to white it sone areas to really show the form, yours either don't go dark enough or light enough. Using the horseshoe alone, It's mostly that dingy pewter grey color throughout except for some sharp specular highlights that define the curve of the top rim as well as the little indent at the end and in a some small pits on the right hand side. Same with the skull, the whole front plane is nice and bright on the forehead as well as the rim of the eye socket as those are facing the light directly. its trick mixing these when you see the object as white or grey so it can help to start with your shadow shapes. Hope this helps

>>3786953
Thank you, that's a fantastic fix, I find myself struggling for how long to spend on these. I'd rather do 2-3 different half hour paintings than one hour and a half painting

>>3787346
Big text in every panel is too much, especially in the second panel where at first glance the last letter looks like the guy's broken leg.
Also you said that the guy flings back a blast of his own but you can't really tell that by the third panel.

does this puppo look better?

>>3786564
I have anxiety and I do these scribbles like on the car too... huh.

>>3786485
>He can't FEEL the figure
NGMI

>>3786485
In all seriousness you're still relying too much on the silhouette of the model and you're overdoing your contour lines. Your lines should lead from one to the next, kinda like music or words.

Some chest, torso gestures. Trying to do Proko's robo bean trick. Need some more work I think.

>>3787478
what the hell, are you even /beg/?

Does anyone use the pen tool in Photoshop? Or is that just for fags?

>>3787521
A lot of people in /draw/ are being crabs and are telling various people to go to /beg/ even though they belong in /draw/

decided to try a stack

>>3787554
try harder

>>3787554
Lad your perspective is fucked.

>>3787532
holy shit went to see /draw/ and, man, I feel like my own confidence in my ability just dropped a few levels.
I guess getting out of /beg/ is going to take more time than I thought

>>3787611
Don't let anon AssHoles shake you. I literally traced a Rob Porter AND a Kandoken drawing just to test these guys and they called it shit.

>>3787624
And told me "\beg\". The 1st few responses are always nonsense. Just wait out the BS, real critique will appear and you'll know it when you see it.

Should I try the leap to realism, does it really pay off overall? I love designing cartoony characters like this so I'd like to get better at it also.

>>3787624
What if it was a scuffed trace though?

>>3787669
>scuffed trace
It's happens too many times AND there actually is real critique after 1st 100 shit responses. It's was an inside joke in my art classes. We all did it for shitz, probably still do.

GMI anons, I'm sure

i did some shit just to see if i can do somethong from imagination without construction or anything. conclusion: i cant. construction is necesseary. atleast for me

GMI anons, GMI...

new oil painting. thirrd one of my life and of the last 3 days. wet on wet.

>>3787690
should i even bother to direct your attention to the sticky and all the memes. loomis etc

>>3787697
Measure thrice, paint once.

>>3787706
fair enough

>>3787702
Ashtually I've read the sticky, that's just my way to pull my fingers out

how am I doing /beg/?

I bought a copy of 'Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain' and felt like a lot of the first two chapters was really remedial/useless information with very little studies or even practices to help me think differently about what I draw. Am I missing some essential info?

How do people manage that blurry-looking digital painting style that looks so soft and great.

>>3783720
im gonna start posting here now. ive been on /ic/ for a long time, drawing even longer, but i've had an attitude problem that hampered with how many drawings i did. trying to start fresh with fundies. no real goals for employment, just thought i'd finally approach my beloved hobby more sincerely. yoroshiku onegaishimasu

>>3787805
do you have a ref?

I drew Joe Rogan from memory (no reference) as a part of my starting drawings of "Drawing on the right side of the brain" series of exercises. Am gonna draw my hand and my self portrait next. Please rate and berate, I want to learn and improve

>>3788199
I like the tennis racket on a stick holding a dildo.

>>3788204
I was going for vibrating dildo (tried to show the batteries), but I appreciate that it was recognized!

>>3783720
Halp

Tried doing something more graphic styled this time. Almost didn't post but I want to get better

Anyone have tips for coming up with interesting poses? Feels as though whenever I want to draw from imagination that's the one of the main problem I have

>>3788176

I bought the exercise book only to avoid the useless mumbo jumbo

>>3787100
disgusting lighting.

>>3787382
I would've done like this considering the background.

>>3788221
why don't you cover the curls's lineart?
also that light barely looks like light,put more white and contrast into it.

>>3788423
This is way too blue, one of the tricks with anime is to cast an entire grey blue screen (in screen mode) on the side of the body to make it look like atmospheric lighting without making it look like western shading. Of course you can do it the way you do it too but you have to be really careful with the edges or it will come out plasticky or glassy the way my art used to and the way this is basically threatening to.

>>3787382
Maybe move the shadow on the right thigh down somewhat and use a shade that isn't so grey for the shadow. Have a look at other people's art for shadow colour inspiration and in RL but in general a purple or blue ish tone will suffice for a convincing tone (of course I currently have f.lux on so it can be a bit bad). As for the ground shadow I believe most of them are modelling it first in 3d and then casting a shadow with the program if they don't already have an exact ref

>>3788222
1. Vary line weight, even in "graphic style"
2. Loomis heads + lots of portraits
3. Lots of figure drawings including anatomy study

>>3788453
Thanks dood, your right it looks better with more color and less lineart.

I am gonna be doing gestures but I don't know if I am doing it right so I would like some feedback on these.

>>3788453
I increased the contrast and messed around with color? Is it better?

how can i improve at realism only using a pencil?

>>3783721
I tried

>>3788538
thank you

>painting in black and white is relatively easy for me to do
>can't wrap my head around painting in full color
any advice?

>>3788842
probably by not drawing sideways

>>3788914
If you haven't watched this video yet I highly suggest you do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY

also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErI7gIWzxlY

>>3788183
The second attempt I think I was drawing leaned back too much so upon closer inspection the face looks too long

How do i stop chicken scratching when I'm not sure were to place shit and i 99% of the time miss the proper shapes and make mistakes? also how do you usually work on hands when gesture/basic construction drawing? they can take as much time as the body so they slow you down and usually they're too small to draw them properly.

>>3787088
Anon that made these here, I feel NGMI because all I want to draw is faces and characters without going too realistic, but at the same time I recognize that these look like shit, and I don't think banging these out non-stop will see me improve significantly

I've been avoiding all of the sticky resources because it seems like a massive bore and grind, but I'm gonna have to suck it up by the looks of it

>>3783720
tips?

>>3789023
I did some perspective stuff and pencil exercises / texture work besides all this and it wasn't that bad, it's kind of therapeutic, and I'll thank myself in a year if I learn everything now

>>3789019
construction

>>3789000
thanks for this anon, gonna take a look at these

I can't seem to understand how to do the gesture exercise at the beginning of Vilppu's manual and it's making me feel like shit. Instead of looking fluid and curvy, my scribbles look stiff and I don't know what to do

Thread is sinking, new thread when?

>>3789023
Some starter tips:

Eyes are always in the middle of the head/face. All of your faces, if they were real people, would have under 1 inch of forehead. Dont worry about shading yet keep working on faces. Do not keep drawing faces facing forward, it will lock you into symbol drawing. Suck it up and loomis. The reason all your eyes look the same is because you are drawing a child's symbol of an eye, not an actual eye. Use references and study them. Never draw what you think something looks like, use your eyes and draw what you see.

>>3787662
it can only help

Robo Bean studies

>>3789052
appreciate the advice
those were just doodles though nothing serious with Loomis and whatnot
I always get caught up on the idea of symbol drawing though, since I always see drawings and features like the eyes that are practically symbols but with eyelids and proper lashes
is it wrong to think of them as 'advanced' symbols in a way?

like these for example
>>3787152
>>3787367
>>3785575

So I was following Michael Hampton's "Figure Drawing Design and Invention" but someone told me it wasn't good for learning gesture. Is this true? Should I keep using this book? It seemed cool so far.

>>3789064
One of the side notes from some doods here says to use "Steve Huston's Figure Drawing For Artists", is that a good one? Where can I get it?

Just started doing face structures, is there anything I'm doing wrong? Is there anything I should learn alongside this?

>>3789090
You seem to grasp the basics, now try constructing features on top of those Daft Punks

How exactly do I practice perspective? I understand the process behind stiff like construction and anatomy but not perspective

>>3789112
I found this to be pretty helpful, a good read

archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy

>>3789090
Follow up with some facial features

2 minute gestures with a brown pastel pencil on newsprint. Just wanna know if on the right track.

>>3789142
Looks way better than mine ;_;

any books or vids on how to draw with charcoal?

>>3789142
And some gestures from memory alone (slowly going through Hamptons book and trying to absorb and learn the info)

>>3789146
Don't give up, its gonna take time but I suggest you don't stay on gesture forever, but do it as a warm up every day at least as you learn forms and anatomy.

When reading through an art book (like hamptons figure drawing for example) should I be copying the images in the book as well as making my own or should I be using what's shown in the book as a reference as to what to do?

Did some Bridgmans. I feel decidedly less shit than I did.

>>3789174
Yes.

>>3789177
Dude on the left has seen some shit

>>3789178
This is the least sinful thing in this sketchbook that isn't some dry study.

I'm bad at drawing mang

I did a pretty bad job of the braid, but other than that how did I do on this?

sonvubitch this is pissing me off
i hate you bastards telling me to use the cross in the circle crosshair gonna keep drawing

>>3784449
ladies with no necks
drive me
mild?

>>3785114
>>3785117
I think if you just draw more, you'll make a decent artist sooner rather than later. Keep it up my guy, you're on the right path from what it seems.

>>3787554
there's no shame in trying again, take what you learned my dude.

>>3787662
it just adds another tool to your kit, do it!

>>3787805
what are you going for? A stylized picture, or do you want a practice picture?

>>3789025
don't study the blade, stick with art, you're doing pretty good. try dropping the elbow on the bottom hand arm, it looks too high to me. Line quality would help this drawing a lot, but it's a great start for a stylistic work.

How do I draw wheels?

>>3789426
Hey, I am the one who drew that. It was sort of supposed to be like her neck was covered by her shoulder and also her back? I dunno, I'm still learning.

>>3789209
yeah

>>3789446
drawabox

I'm hoping to practice drawing a variety of body types, does anyone have any rescources i could use for practicing?

Brand new beginner, been drawing seriously for a few days. Please give honest feedback.

Reading "Drawing on the right side of the brain", supposed to do a self portrait. Got high and spent like 4 hours trying to draw myself. It was a very trippy experience, I recognized many things about myself I never saw before. Fucked up a lot but I think came out with a decent first attempt at portrait. The nose/eyes seem to be slightly off (3D plane mismatch almost) & some other minor things, but overall I'm proud of it when thinking of my skill level.

>>3789548
Here's a rough reference. I was looking at a mirror so it's slightly different from what I was seeing in real time.

>>3789548
I'm not an expert on portraits, but maybe you should have used construction lines to properly map out where the details of the face were before jumping right in. Also, be sure that you aren't "symbol drawing", which basically means, don't draw symbols of what you think things are, draw them as they are. Take a look at the image in this post: >>3783924 for a better explanation.

Also, you have a lot of balls for just blatantly posting your own face on 4chan, which is pretty cool, I guess? It's good that you're drawing seriously. Just keep going every single day.

>>3789617
Thanks anon, really appreciate it. I am attempting to avoid symbol drawing, but still need some work. I did try to lay out construction lines before the details, but I struggled with the nuances of how to construct a head/face shape in 3D space. So many bones/pertruding shapes/skin doing weird stuff. I'm continuing to draw every day & take it seriously

really shitty,i know,but what can i improve? i'm a complete beginner and i don't know where to start..

>>3789548
>the virgin sketch
>>3789549
>the chad selfdoxxer

>>3789387
pretty good anon, only issue I see is how her left inner thigh line goes way too far up her hips.

>>3790207
step 1, take a fully lighted picture facing the camera and crop any unnecessary space (your laptop)

>>3787004
>What's going on in there?
a weakness of the serratus anterior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCPp1DUypo0

>>3790479
How many face pulls should I do?

>>3790279
Kek. Looking at my facial structure for a while made me realize how average of genetics I have. So no drawing of me will ever be Chad baka.

I drew my hand today, r8 plz senpai. I fucked up the fingers & joints but I think my thumb and palm look OK. Was kinda in a rush

>>3783720

Where am I going wrong??

>>3783720
I'm having trouble with coloring and I'm just starting out in clip studio
How the fuck do you do shading like this?