/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3772468
Posted this in the last one just as new thread was made, gonna delete that one.
Anyway which of these is more accurate and appealing? Specifically the connection between the left asscheek and leg, as well as around the groin

continuing on this oni chick, writefriend gave me some references this time
thanks to the guys in the last thread who helped

here we go again

>>3772468
Draw this. It's a fun reference.

>>3772477
Stop posting garbage.

>>3772491
Why

I hate everything I draw

>>3772511
We hate you.

from last threads reference photo. Got bored and started painting.

This draw was made with a reference.

At the moment I'm entirely focused on drawing the head and the neck, until I am entirely familiar with the shapes and anatomy of both and THEN I'll practice the features of the face and go down to eventually draw the entire body. In short, I thought in focusing on a part of the body until I could draw it from any angle and then move forward.Is there any other more effective way to improve?

This is a thing I'm working on for D&D. I'm comfortable with the figure (besides the gimpy left hand) but my color theory is absolute shit. I can never figure out which colors I should use and when to use a lighter tone.

>>3772474
>tfw I realize I just gave her bowsette hair

>>3772607
Where is the light source exactly? I can't tell...

>>3772632
...I guess that's my first mistake. I didn't really think of one when I was making it.

Okay before this thread really gets started, can we PLEASE STOP POSTING IMAGES OVER 3000 PIXELS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

*ahem, thank you.

>>3772655
>Being a monitorlet
laughing at you from my 2k screen
4k Chads mog me though

gonna draw some more gotta work on the anatomy

>>3772658
NOBODY
CARES

>>3772632
Clearly he has emissive arms and chest

I decided to pursue art late September of 2018. Here is my progress so far. Im at the point where I'm satisfied with my results but would love any feedback - especially with hair. Thanks everyone

>>3772754
2018 hair looks better.

without reference

my feet suck since i never do them.

also how do i connect the thighs to the body? the first one is decent since it overlaps but i had no idea what to do with the second

>>3772533
that's cool looking, nice rendering

>>3772473
right is squishier

>>3772773
The thighs aren't nearly as big a problem as the torso. It's much too long.

>>3772567
Grinding one thing for extended period of time is not the best way to go. Pick something up to go with it, like gesture drawing. Draw couple of heads in 3D (very good practice by the way) and then do couple of gesture drawings (find the line of action and general proportion of a croquis model). The practices will complement each other and you are not headbutting (no pun intended) to a brick wall.

The drawing is nice however messy. Gesture drawing will help you with that also (no chicken scratching, think about your lines before you draw them). It will carry over to your portraiture soon after. If later on you start learning the planes of the faces you will get really good at portraiture, I can tell.

>>3772607
You have captured gesture really well, there is a feel of movement in the picture. Try to think in sense of warms and cools, and do value studies. It's a big subject to tackle on but check out the live illustration stream of Nathan Fowkes, he is master of color (next to James Gurney).

>>3772754
you could use loomis.

The skull is a ball with a jaw on it. it concaves at the eye region. Then there's a bunch of sinus cavities in the face and and stuff.

Draw a skull for practice. Then draw a face on top of the skull for practice.

>>3772773
her right tiddy is defying gravity. the nip should be lower down and the weight of the tiddy fat and stretching nature of how the torso is positioned should be pulling shit down more.

>>3772773
There are overall proportional mistakes in the picture, mainly the torso being too low /the halfway point of the entire body not being on the crotch. Watch the Proko video on pelvis, the placement of the pelvis is really something that helped me to attach legs to the body.

After watching the video or two about pelvis, open up few reference images of models, and redline / draw the pelvis on top of these images. Try to place the simplified "bucket" of pelvis on top of the models confidently and your understanding of mid section and attachment of legs will improve.

>>3772837
There was a typo, I meant the torso being too long / halfway point of the body not being on the crotch level.

is this better?

I'm kind of confused how to represent these sort of ambiguous shapes in a line drawing. Like the top left of this image, where the eye socket sort of gradually curves to become the temple. There's not really a distinct line you can draw for that.

Guess where is this from.

alright i did another one of these using only. three tones. i think this one came out much better

alright i did another one using only three tones and i feel like it came out much better

>>3772951
no fucking idea why it isnt resizing

how useful is it to just learn by copying other people? so mainly masterstudies/ video tutorial follow-alongs.

I've usually done that in other fields when I tried to learn something, not sure if it's viable in the arts.

>>3772947
Looks excellent!

Stuff like this just shows me that I should really use the soft circle brush. I think not deviating from hard circle is holding me back.

>>3772958
pretty sure that was made with hard round with opacity jitter enabled

Trying to draw box figures after learning some perspective. I know this is not good, i just wanted to share with somebody. I like how this one came out. If head is unclear - it's like if you look directly at ceiling now.

>>3772961
Here is how i imagined the planes

>>3772477
Cute!

>>3772658
blog?

>>3772477
Give up retard. You clearly don't care about getting better so why do you post here?

>>3772477
never give up, retard

What's a good site for doing gesture drawings? Been told doing those can help a lot.

Suggestions on timing/expressions?
I know I should've animated the head separately, will do that next time

Fuck digital painting is hard

How does this look ignoring the messy attempt at shading I made?

>>3773319
it's not very close to the reference

>>3773319
Whooa Man
Jesus Christ.
Your really gotta check the angles on your lines.
That curve around her ribcage is WAY too sharp.
The reason you're perceiving it as being that sharp is because of the way the light plays off her torso, but the ACTUAL torso isn't that sharp.

Lets also talk about shading here.

When you look at her right breast, you can clearly see an hourglass shaped shadow coming down from the torso, getting smallest at the nipple, and expanding out again.
If you want to shade, be sure to shade EVERYTHING


In fact, when you're first doing shadows, don't even bother trying to understand what you're looking at, just work on being able to identify sections of dark and light


Here, I drew a ref for you

>>3772773
we have the same problem. check out hamptons take on torso, hips and legs. I'd link the book but I have no idea where I got it from so here is a screenshot instead

>>3773319

>>3773323
>>3773326
I exaggerated the pose so I wasn't going for a 1 to 1 copy I agree the torso is a bit too sharp.
Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep what you said in mind and keep practicing.

>>3773342
Good luck. You should practice drawing a lot of thicc women before trying to exaggerate a mid-size lady.
Gives you a better idea of where to take it in, and where to blow it up

>>3773332
Thanks this helps a lot.

>>3773319
Actually your not to far off. If you look closely in your drawing: the bottom half of the body is larger than the upper half. If you break reference image in to it should help you see.

Breaking down imagines to simple shapes is a great way to understand volume.

Interestingly enough you in making the bottom larger you exaggerated the pose adding a little life to your drawing.

>>3772474
tried copying the reference's shading but I'm not very good at it

>>3773355
shading isn't bad, but try to amp it up a bit
You have a lot of mid tones. You need darker darks and lighter lights

>>3773356
it's on a separate layer so I can fuck with it

>>3773360
Getting there.
Do you have any references for shading the face?

>>3773319
The pose is definitely exaggerated at the waist and head. The head isn't too important, but the waist looks like it's about to snap in half.

>>3773363
None specifically, I should darken under her nose and around her eyesockets, right?

can someone explain what makes something symbol drawing? does adding value/shading make a drawing less 'symbol'?
I find it hard to determine, for example, are these using symbol drawing or not?
sorry if you were one of these Anons, not trying to imply anything negative I'm just curious

>>3772450
>>3772425
>>3772032

>>3773389
At its core, symbol drawing is deciding "oh, this is how I draw THING, so I'm always gonna draw it like that," when in actuality it can look wildly different depending on angle/expression/whatever else. You'll notice it's usually associated with eyes, and people who do it often make their subjects face straight towards the camera. That said, none of the people you linked did it that badly.

Help me come up with a 30 day program for constantly drawing guys.
I want to draw something new every day since there are far too much things I am bad at and there is no real point in focusing on one thing exactly.

Here is what I came up with so far, pls tell me what should I add:
1.Gesture
2.Core muscles - front
3.Back
4.Arms
5.Hands
6.Legs
7.Heads
8.Perspective


I thought I could find something in those 30day challenge lists that could be found in plenty on the internet but they were garbage.

>>3772607
>>3772632
>>3772814
Okay, so I did a quick value study of my piece, with a light source in the upper right. Thoughts?

i had one with sideboob but edited out

also gonna draw more perspective

but one thing i have to ask if the boxes will really help me expand more from the circle heads i tried doing it once and couldn't get it so i went back to drawing how i usually do and people like doremi man of s4s keeps hounding me to use the gestures and i tried that once and couldn't catch up with the timer so i asked for my father's help and all he does is copy drawings he sees in car magazines

>>3773360
Dude, if you are going to do the 2 point lighting with a rim light from behind then do it shinier and put it on everywhere on the body, its point is to highlight the form in contrast against the darker background so might as well commit to it.

You shadows are only saturated but not darker, if you add more darker colors to it it will look better. I know the first time you add dark color to it it feels like you are ruining it but keep your optimism up it will look better.

Pick the direction of the main light and adjust your highlights spots to align to it, tits, nose shoulders biceps, eyeballs, highlight hair etc should roughly align towards it,it gives the picture a uniform feel.

Here is how I would change, I will post a second one to show it with arrows.

>>3773457
Try to imagine the light coming from a certain direction and imagine how it would reflect from the parts of the body's geography. That will make the shading way easier for you to make sense of.

Did this help?

>>3773459
i don't really see anything bad unless he's shadman shading

>>3773457
>>3773459
Those really look great
I'll try to be more mindful of how I'm shading next time

Started gesture drawing today and had a 2 minute time limit while drawing, I can't seem to be able to finish any of the drawings in the time. Any tips?
How do the parts I manage to do look?

What learning order should I follow?

Currently I feel like I've been drawing for months without improving and I blame it on my lack of real practice and just doing wharever I wanted. A friend of mine then told me that I did too much gesture drawing and that I should be practicing anatomy instead but doing some online research I found that it wasn't the case.

Should I just return to the very basics of 3d forms, lines, cubes etc and continue from there? Is there an order I should follow?

>>3773468
Another

>>3773468
If you can't finish the whole figure in the time limit, go faster and be less precise until you can

>>3772619
I thought it was bowsette desu

>>3773468
>>3773470
The two minute gesture drawings are there to get you to nail down the essential part of the gesture as quickly as you can.
Start with a stick figure and focus on getting the proportions right, then work your way up from there.

>>3773474
Yeah not meant to be, just a generic oni girl
We'll probably fuck with the hair to be less similar

>>3773468
>>3773470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
Learn how to actually gesture draw first

>>3773426
I added another light tone to it.
It just bugs me a little because I'm trying to go for a cartoony, 2-3 tone shading style (I really like Nachomon's stuff and I'd like to go more towards that style) but every time I try it just looks off.

>>3773489
There's a right and wrong way?

>>3773446
>>3773448
Damn retard.

>>3773469
Finish things. You'll find the answers in your shortcomings.

>>3773455
Nobody cares.

>>3773497
I believe you have my stapler.

>>3773455
Yes but draw 3d boxes not just 2 squares, you know "cubes" as they are called. Drawing large (think A3 paper site)accurate drawings of cubes from different angles free-handed is something that is practiced a lot in art schools. It is actually pretty damn hard. But will help you to train your perception of 3D form and it will be greatly helpful when you try to place 3d objects in space which is one of the hardest thing to learn in 2D art.

>>3773504
like this

>>3773526
No.

>>3773305
Well, the bubble popping, her eyes closing, her face getting splashed, should all be on the same frame, not spread out into 3.

i make two or three of these a day. progress is slow but steady. any pointers, suggestions, crits apreciated.

WIP

one from yesterday

>>3773526
Kind of like that yes, but that is not exactly what I mean that is a perspective exercise where everything is in the same perspective.(it is equally important do not get me wrong) What I mean try to do it free-handed and from random different points of view without adding the perspective guidelines.

>>3773492
there are many right ways also a lot of wrong way
that why people limit it with time

>>3773490
I know it isn't the right way to do it, but it felt really good to slap on some flat color and crank down the transparency so you can see the values.

>>3773573
You can draw how you'd like, but don't call it a value study if that's not what it is

>>3773576
This one isn't, I was just too lazy to change the filename.

>>3773490
This one is. I think.

>>3772477
is it intentionally simple? I mean it's "cute" though

>>3773579
No
He cannot draw any better than this and he refuses to practice. He keeps doing this because he inevitablly gets pause from "cute" posters. Hes a clear cut example of a ngmi shitter.

>>3773579
Nah, it's shit.

>>3773589
Well it depends on what his goal is, isn't it?
If he just wants to make something "cute" that's intentionally simple to capture that childlike simplicity then he is doing it right.
If he wants to be more realistic/advanced, then he surely isn't accomplishing his goal?

>>3773589
>ngmi
Not gonna make it to what, exactly? To heaven? Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven amirite?

Okay, new question: does this wing layout look right? I'm trying to make it look dramatic but something seems a bit off.

>>3773600
Fuck you.

>>3773604
gonna need more details here.

>>3773589
i do it sometimes

>>3773610
Well that's not good enough.

>>3773614
Nice lines!
Head is a bit fucked and proportions could be better though. Try drawing this again, it will be much better.

While I know a hand in fundamentals is important, my main goal is to draw fan art and design characters to my priority is drawing people.

I figured I should learn anatomy but I head that figure drawing comes first? Do i need to do both at the same time? Looking for the right path, is all.

>>3773614
good stuff

>>3773614
Good.

>>3773626
anatomy and figure drawing tend to go hand in hand. Whatever you learn in one tends to carry over into the other. So a good mix of both is probably best.

>>3773600
The wings need to serves as a compositional element Anon. Think about them like that. They are there to draw the viewer's attention to the center of the image where there character is. Same goes to the line of the rock he is standing on. It is good so far the only part that is instantly now centralized is the edge of the rock which seems to trail off to the left side of the character.

working on landscapes! i studied this picture
https://pixabay.com/en/helicopter-mountains-flight-2966569/

>>3773640
Current plan is to try gesture alone for a while then get general shapes down for each area of the body then refine it with anatomy. Any problem that arises that requires work on a fundamental I'll work on there.

>>3773647
Some minor adjustments to pull the attention to him even more, you do not have to follow this I just randomly made this up about the wings to have them come from out of the back but still point towards him. The key thing is have the wings put him into the center of attention.

Also changed the rock a bit to point towards him and added a tail to also help with setting the character as the focal point.

I adjusted the shading somewhat to add more shadows on him but I think it is mostly alright.

>>3773534
thank you!

>>3773653
the torso looks a little short

>>3773657
Cool, thanks. I put two of the wing fingers(?) on the elbow joint because that's how it seems to work with bats, but I think I can sacrifice anatomical correctness for artistic license.
I was trying to go for something like this Sanguinus picture because I like how the wings make him so much more imposing, but I didn't have composition in mind.

Left or Right?

>>3773671
The composition of this one is brilliant. There are so many ways that the artist draws your attention to the center Starting by making the top deliberately light and then fade it down to dark as you move downwards only leaving Sanguinius still lit up. On Sanguinius, beside the obvious wings the artist is using both colors light and dark values using the white cape white purity seals contrasting to the crimson armor. Not accidentally using almost the same colors that the wings had for uniformity. Then how he is the only light in the darkness of the Chaos hordes around him pointing fingers, guns etc at him or just looking towards him. Even the Silhouette of the Chaos hordes form a "U" shape that matches the wings but deliberately stops at the stairs. This is because after pulling the attention from top to down the artists also brings the attention of picture to a clear stop at the feet using those vertical stairs he is standing on. Finally he puts the halo glow around his head to clearly show the focus point of the image but also puts a few decorations on the armor around it to keep the attention there. Notice hoe the details of the armor are mostly covered in shadow at the arms and legs but not the heraldry icon on the shoulder pad.

Most of these are deliberate and I would gets meticulously planned composition to make an imposing picture. The only part that breaks the symmetry is the Khorne daemon with the glowing runesword at the bottom left which seems to pop out for no specific reason but to break the symmetry.

There is probably more that I probably am not seeing but I hope this gave you enough insight about it to improve your pic.

I think i fucked up the skin colours

How do I pirate paint tool SAI?

>>3773742
We don't condone piracy.

>>3773742
You can't pirate something that is free silly Pepe.

>>3773746
but they clearly don't want me to pay for it
>We reject Gmail for PayPal payment
what the fuck is that?
and i know none of you fuckers pay for fucking photoshop every month

>>3773749
it's not free, it stops working after a trial period doesn't it?

>>3773757
Sorry, nothing isn't free in this world.

>>3773764
well that's why I'm asking how to pirate it, because I don't know how to attain it for free

>>3773766
FREEDOM AIN'T FREE NIGGA

are you fuckers really gonna make me create a dumbass email account and pay 45 bucks for japanese knockoff photoshop

>>3773788
just use krita senpai

>>3772962
>>3773614
>>3773648
Lookin' good. Keep up the hard work anons.

ol tsugumomo

>>3773799
Why do you draw

>>3773738
Cute, but the head is way too big. Even for big-hair retro anime its too much.

>>3772961
>>3772962
the right leg feels awkward

>>3773790
No that sucks

>>3773815
i don't think is the same

trying digital

>>3773861
id fuck her
on second thought that woman is either like 3 feet tall or she found a massive fucking basketball

Im edgy and sad

>>3773861
is this really /beg/?

don't have a scanner at the moment, so have some shitty photos from my phone

>>3773935
oh shid i forgot to resize, oh well

>>3772468
im I shit at drawing? im trying to make a webcomic but its taking me forever, primarily because i have a terrible habit of procrastinating. Also im not good at inking and coloring so most of my work are all sketches. Im going to post like 2 or 3 more images anchored to this post for ref btw.

these here are the rough drafts for the first 3 pages of my webcomic

>>3773959
wip of the front cover

>>3773959
your characters are cute and you have a good sense of form
paneling looks good too but I don't know much about that
seems more like an effort issue
I really like the bottom left panel

>>3773959
an example of something colored i did today. its no good, and i dont know how to approach inking and color. also by inking i mean a new clean dark line over these digital sketches, because i dont mean the real thing.

>>3773959
>>3773960
not really beg tier to say the least

>>3773959
heres my last image, something else i also did today. i guess this is an example of the extent of my figure drawing abilities

>>3773967
honestly just use a pen that doesn't have density tied to pressure, makes everything look cloudy

>>3773964
i think im pretty /beg/ tier

>>3773964
>>3773982
It's just safer to post in /beg/ since if you post pretty much anywhere else someone will always tell you to go to /beg/. So if you're tired of hearing that you might post here, where people just tell you 'you're not beg' which is a lot less tiring to hear. That's what I think, anyway.

>>3773988
not that guy but i see great art posted in /beg/ threads all the time and I don't delude myself into thinking I'm not beg no matter what compliments I get. On the other hand, I'm also not a self loathing crab who lashes out on others like I sometimes see

>>3773959
you're better than what i can muster

>>3772468
Wish I learned faster

some kurisu

anyway speaking of kurisu i still gotta draw shibuya rin i haven't drawn her lately haven't been confident in my strokes to make her hair just right like its supposed to look in the official arts one thing i learned her hair makes her head more ovalish something i haven't mastered yet

however if i watch tsugumomo man stream and carefully look at the way he draws i too can learn from him and master the art skills

>>3774047
>>3774063
>>3774066
NOBODY
FUCKING
CARES.

any tips or recommended books on shading?
i just started drawing again and realised all my drawings look flat because i basically have no idea what im doing in terms and depth and shading.

>>3774070
but you just replied

>>3774072
Retard.

based retard holy shit the savior of /ic/

>>3774079
Explain

>>3773695
left

>>3773861
give more shape to the pelvis. Also neck is really thick.

>>3774071
practice structure and anatomy, you can't fake depth with shading too much, try to convey depth with proper spacing and just enhance the illusion of depth with shading afterward. difficult to gauge your skill level without an example of your work

doing the box

>>3774138
Are you even trying?

>>3774125
i guess theres a misunderstanding of terms on my part, what im trying to understand is shading shapes in a way that will make them 3d and give roundness to an object. for example i can draw all kinds of body parts with cylinders and boxes but when i try to add muscles im not sure how to shade and draw them correctly to make them look like they bulge out of the object etc.
Like in pic related where rubens bulges random muscles out of the arm by just shading them in.

>>3774138
Boxes are shit practice. Give us more anime girls.

>>3774163
>Boxes are shit practice.
but the /ic/ people told me it's the only way to improve i don't wanna be not gonna make make it-man

gotta use the loomis properly

>>3773996
Make the lines thinner and do long thin strokes with your tablet in paint tool SAI because it's easier to handle. This is how I abuse refs though for shading

>>3774197
you mean you don't go with the colors in mind right away and instead use grey? i usually just do the lines first then add another layer to fill the colors in no fancy layer techniques like you did or base colors for that matter like this snack drawing for instance, i just draw the lines and just did it with 4 separate colors without using a base color i'll make sure to keep this in mind next time i draw but for now i must use the loomis method with boxes

>>3774205
those are some nice snake titties

>>3774205
Try and hunt down the process shots for how other artists do it, but usually it's like this:http://erebun.tumblr.com/post/71516451565
The fact that they're seperating everything like an autistic fuck on top of thin lines is how they get the lineart so clean.

1) Sketch from imagination or reference <- this is where you may use loomis however Loomis is for drawing torsos and hands, anime heads it can be better just to rotate someone else's 3D head in sketchfab or to find a reference in the exact pose you want.
2) Draw over sketch to make the lines as thin as fuck using long strokes in SAI. You can use a reference for the sketch too so you know what lineweight to use. For example, google krenz sketch and you'll find a collection of very nice looking sketches then you just figure out what lineweight you use by copying his lines.
3) fill in the base that is your skin is getting a base and each section with a general different colour is in base so in your image it's the hair, the eyes, the face and the jumper the pants and the legs getting a base

In this image of lucina for example the face, the hair, the clothes (and maybe the section of the clothes that are goldish are also seperated), the gloves, the weird shit like belts and stuff get seperated.

4) Now figure out how to use clipping layers, any tutorial will do even this one: https://www.deviantart.com/kuro-mai/art/Anime-Style-colouring-Tutorial-151607592
5) They then figure out where the shadows go AND/OR lighting which is quite difficult but with a lot of practice and finding a good shadow reference you will know how to do it. If you want a nice gradation like in the lucina image you will probably be using a hard round brush and other some blurring or a soft brush to carve in the shape nicely.
6) After the shadows and shading is applied, this lucina image likely using a gradient set to overlay mode to make it appear to change colours.

>>3774205
this is the bigger version

IS THIS A GOOD REF?

Or maybe this?

>>3773360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjJb6DMlJ1Y

please follow the guide in the future

>>3773469

>>3773997
>not shortstack kobold princess
how heretical of you anon.

WIP

First time doing something so explicitly sexual. Cross referenced a pig, some anime and a real person.

I'd say the hands could be better, I fucked up the composition and winged it with the hair because I had to have a way to cover the ears. That's why the hair is defying common sense. I might just draw an ear and have her hair curl behind it. Anyways. Feedback please. I'm going to bed but I intend to go into shading and detailing tomorrow.

>>3774275
Reference for those interested in giving it a shot.

art gains

>>3774275
Oh no no no

>>3774287
I noticed the hand is majorly fucked. Ah, I wish I had noticed before I posted. Oh well.

>>3772951
okay one more pls respond

>>3774277
>>3774221
>>3774222
/ic/ is still not your personal free porn art service. GO AWAY!

I hate this shit. I wish I could do construction so i stop making these mistakes, but construction requires visualization which I just can't do. I'm such a hopeless loser, I wanna blow my brains out

>>3774311

>>3773959
>>3773960
>>3773963
>>3773967
Hi again, Anon here that drew for you last time.

Looking good I would say, the comic pages appear interesting as a start to a scene.

When doing dialogue it is important to keep in mind who is currently listening and who is talking or how much the two are connecting. And draw them to echo their state of mind. For example at this point from the Acri seems to be disconnected and weirded out with the fast food. So the shot shows her turned away from her partner this is good at panel 4 , it shows that the onlooker is just looking at her and showing his own thoughts only. But panel 6 shows her opening up and turning more towards him/her by asking him a question (I think). If their conversation become more lively and open you could consider turning the shot of Acri to face her partner and show her from the other side. This is especially good if she takes the active role in the conversation.

The cover is alright so far considering place hier hands somewhere the lower parts feels kind of empty maybe put her open palms there?

>>3773963
A bit bland here but works if you are trying to go minimalist. What is your goal? Do you have anything in mind?

>>3773967
it is adorable and conveys emotion but obviously unfinished

>>3773861
NOT /BEG/!

>>3773861
>People saying this isn't beg
>Not noticing how wide the left side of the hip is
NGMI

I'm so shit, I am mad at myself

>>3774344
I don't see it. Please clarify it for me.

How's this figure looking?

>>3774398
Exaggerated and unfinished.

>>3774405
Working on it. I've been having some trouble getting the torso right when it's hidden under clothing. I plan on fixing the angle on her right arm and moving the legs closer together.

>>3774347
Dude portraits are too hard for a beg. Go draw some skulls so you can learn the structure under the face.

>>3774412
ngmi.
Go draw a dozen, fifty, a hundred figures, then come back.

>>3774441
after i finish this one

>>3774333
Hey, thanks a lot for the help. As for inking and coloring, I think I want to achieve something similar to these images I've stitched together. Something with a thick outline, maybe it occasionally changes color or thickness like the ones on the right. Most of my attempts making something like that come out as bland and flat; beginner material. I'm gonna post another image anchored to this post which is an example of a finished drawing I've made, showing off what I want my comic to sort of look like.

>>3774507
Here is a drawing I've made fully outlined and colored. These are some mandragoras which I have designed. I haven't had too much success trying to replicate this, though I don't think that's too much of a concern because I want to eventually look better than this. Also I just forgot of another drawing I've which I'll also anchor to this.

>>3774509
Another monster design, Elysia, based off a seaslug of the same name.

walp

No reference used.

>>3772468
Any tips, can't seem to get the eyes or shoulders/arms/hands right.

>>3774537
To expected when all you do is guess.

>>3774244
>expecting a /beg/ fag to be able to follow a tutorial that complex

>>3773997
bottom left looks good, top right's arm is way too small

So going from fun with a pencil to keys to drawing. I'm having a lot of fun with the first few exercises but I'm definitely not used to "drawing blind." Where does construction come into any of this?

is this good enough base before I move on to the painting part?

I'm not sure when it's time to move on, I can still see mistakes like eyes not being the proper shape the direction not being aligned properly with nose/mouth and the ears being completely butchered, etc.

So basically, am I supposed to keep guessing/erasing/measuring until it's 1:1 perfect or move to the next step?

I'm such a failure.

I photoshopped this to be more accurate to the reference, but doing that just made me feel like a loser.

>>3774623
>>3774606
How much time did you spend on it?

>>3774625
I don't know, maybe 30 minutes? I want to spend more time on a drawing, but it feels like there's no way for me to tell if a drawing is coming along accurately until I start filling in details. Once I start doing that, erasing becomes more difficult and there's no going back.

Is it actually possible to draw in my mind?
I'm trying to do it, but the drawing keeps disappearing on me.

>>3774527
>>3774537
chicken scratching
zero gesture
flat symbol drawing instead of understanding the forms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>3774527
butt seems too big, left hand is not believable.
other than that I see no issue

quicksketch to start the morning

>>3774634
>I don't know, maybe 30 minutes?
Spend 168 hours on it. Start over if needed and make every single pencil movement with purpose, be precise and gentle.

>>3774700
>>3774634
Ignore this mong. Clearly you're struggling with accuracy yes? If so do things that will help with accuracy, quick sketches are a fun and effective way of doing that, Personally i like to use construction but there are many ways, observe.

https://youtu.be/zzdD9iyIIxg

As a beginner there are three things you need to get a handle on, Value and Shape, which work together to create form. These three work together to create an illusion of depth in a drawing or painting, With line art you cut out value so you have to use shape and line weight (Which is effectivly value for lines) to create form
Practice them in any way that makes the most sense to you but the point still stands, if your shapes are bad and you know it and dont like it, do exercises that help increased the accuracy of your shapes. Bargue plates help but If ind them boring and copying from a photo reference with careful measuring is just as good.

Hope that helps.

>>3774221
I gave it a try but you might not be pleased with the results

>>3774714
>Ignore this mong.
>do exercises that help increased the accuracy of your shapes.
>make every single pencil movement with purpose, be precise and gentle.

>>3773935
>>3773936
I really like these Anon, very nice

Color is gay as shit

How the fuck does this happen every time? I think I'm doing ok on an outline, but only when I start filling things in do I see the mistakes. At first I think I've drawn a face way too long, but after putting more details in I find that it's been squished absurdly. Do I have donkey brains?

>>3774809
no, you just see more mistakes the more you draw
rotate horizontally to see faster

>>3772468
first time on digital, eye too close to the brow, trying to transfer from pencil.
tips for switching over?

>>3774855
stick with pencil :)

Drew this 'thing' using a mouse last night when I was drunk. How fucked are the dimensions?

I was going for a lion girl sitting on a rock in the sunlight
I was trying to give the shadows a warm glowy cast

Originally I just made the hightlights a muted light gold color, and that didn't pop enough
but this doesn't look right, either

help

>>3774866
Uh
Well

I appreciate the detail you put into it, but the issue is that its so busy, and the guy in the middle isn't defined well enough for me to understand what I'm looking at

Other than the eyes, I guess

>>3774691
Cool blobs
Clean it up for more critique

how do you enjoy drawing
more importantly, how do you enjoy learning to draw

>>3774866

It's like faux traditional art. You could make that your schtick

>>3774870
Okay, I tried removing all the highlights
For some reason, I think that makes it look like 100x better.
my end goal is to animate, so this will be easier, anyway

>>3774880
Cause you were pillow shading. That's not how lighting works.

I feel bad for this

>>3774990
reference

I don't know how I keep fucking up proportions like this when it looks fine in a detail-less outline.

>>3774940
what is that, and how do I not do it?

>>3774992
You doing highlights correctly?

>>3775005
I don't know what that means but probably not

Holy shit I wanna die so bad. Trying to do something for over an hour and then coming out with an ugly mess makes me feel suicidal

This is my first planned out drawing that isn't just a direct copy.

How do people actually manage to invent new stuff without it looking like shit?

am i at a beginner level?

>>3775013
yes

>>3775006
Duude. Its not that bad.
In fact, you've done absolutely nothing wrong up until this point
the only issue is that your darks aren't dark enough, and your lights aren't light enough.

I can see you've made some cursory attempts at lighting, but try making the lightest part about 3x brighter than it is in your current sketch, and the same goes for the dark.

I promise you, when you start adding those slight gradations in color, its going to start REALLY popping

>>3774990
you need to add more value and detail to it, like in the facial hair and the jacket/t-shirt
get more range in there too, show which areas are dark and very dark and which parts are light

>>3774992
but all did worse was the face was shorter
the shading you need to learn about too

>>3775010
gesture is one of the most important things for drawing from imagination
it'll help your dudes not look like statues (though statues usually have a lot of gesture so that's not a fair comparison)

>>3775036
It's not just that, it takes a long time to actually imagine the forms, especially clothes.

What are good eays to practice perspective, anons? This is one on my absolute biggest problems, and I don’t think learning more anatomy is gonna make a lot of sense if all my drawings look flat.

>>3774940
I googled
Thank you so fucking much

>>3775016
Ok, is this any better? It feels like the highlights just look like powder on his face...

>>3775085
Forgot pic

>>3775085
Deleted last pic cuz this is better lighting

>>3772468

Tell it to me straight

>1-2 hours per portrait sketch

ngmi ngmi?

for my character design class

>>3775092
That's much better! Here's a suggestion to give you a clearer idea

I know the accuracy is fucked a bit, but notice how bright the whites are, and how dark the darks are

>>3775113
goddamn
You do not need to be in beg

>>3775113

>>3774527
well then start using some

Is there something that's not shit about this picture?

>>3775113
last pic
>>3775166
>looks cool desu

>>3774507
>>3774509
>>3774510
The coloring on the madragoras look totally fine, simplistic solid cell shading but it works and it doesn't seem to take a lot of work which is something you will need to keep tabs on when making a comic. Stick with this and keep it like this for awhile until you have got some mileage alright? As long as it works, it is fine it meshes well with the cartoony style.

One thing I noticed is that the shadow of the colors are moved downwards hon the color spectrum to darker, this is fine but you could consider adding more saturation of color to the shadows that makes them livelier. You don't have to but it ca help.Also consider using a few highlight spots on other parts of the reflective surfaces of the body. Since you are already doing it on the eyelids. But use them sparingly you do not have to do anything I say.(Also ignore the black bg that is because I suck at copy pasting transparency)

If you haven't seen this video yet, this is a quick and very informative video on color basics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY

But even after all that keep the coloring consistent as you have done it on the mandragoras for awhile you will have a lot of time to improve between comic chapters. Comics need consistency and it is better if you get comfortable with it your current method before trying new things or moving on more complex things..

Elysia, I don't find her that convincing yet looks like a cat or a bat really but just my opinion. Maybe experiment with a few more shapes and colors.

Don't stop, keep working at it, the more traction you gain the better you will be able to focus and less you will procrastinate.

>>3775060
Anybody?

>>3775214
Looks pretty solid
Keep going

>>3775060
>>3775214
I'm not great myself but you might benefit from the coil method
https://youtu.be/eJWLaDSNBAI

I could see it helping with the left (her right) arm for example

>>3775145
doctor who?

How am I doing so far? I intend to draw her robe next

how

>>3775322
practice

>>3775222
>that's a thing
funny, sometimes when I'm trying to make something come out of the page I do spirals to get my bearings as well

>>3775310

Clit Cuntwood actually, but close enough desu.

>>3775321
Be careful where you attach the top of the boobs. Imagine a torso and where the clavicles actually are

>>3775321
psis placement is wrong. Should be in the middle of the spine not to the right

>tfw I keep saving Pinterest drawing tutorials but I never fucking use it.

>>3773766
I found one on deviant art like 2 years ago idk if it is still up

>>3772474
What's your aim with this character? What is the appeal? You have to consider more than just copying and combining. Look at the reference. Notice that there is a flow to the picture, there's rhythm and interesting shapes. Remember that you're not just brute forcing a character drawing, you're trying to make something that looks cool and is nice to look at.

Whats the best thing about this.
Whats the worst thing about this(number one thing to improve)

>>3772754
>September of 2018
Mhm, mate, you're missing some key fundamentals in your work. How often do you practice? Seems like your attempts are too sporadic and it doesn't seem like your putting much time and effort into these. You need to slow down and pick one of the beginner books. Try to complete a project. Try to refine these drawings some more.

Can you guys keep a secret?
>>>/a/183571834

>>3772773
Very flat. You need to do some form and value studies to break you out of your line dependency. Draw larger as well so you can see your proportions better.

>>3775330
>>3775335
Is this better? Sorry I'm not too well versed in true anatomy yet

>>3774525
good attempt. Looks like you're still working on blending and getting used to painting in general. Keep practicing and you'll get the hang of it.

>>3775450
Not them but that’s a bit better.

Boobs do not begin anywhere near the collarbones, women still have pecs just like men, with the boobs sitting on top of them. They attach near the armpits.

>>3775450
It looks better. Remember she's shrugging her closer shoulder a bit. The top of the shoulder will raise quite far above the origin of the clavicles which already must be a bit above the insertions of the breasts.

Did some changes, hope I didn't fuck it up. Don't mind the flip I did.

1. More defined cheek (accidentally placed the mouth higher than you meant it to be probably) and also moved the chin back a bit on the local y axis toward the back of the head. Be really careful with the chin, its base is not supposed to go as far forward as the base of the nose. I used to not understand this
2. Rotated the closer eye a bit. I just thought it was too tilted.
3. Moved down tits origin as first mentioned.
4. Somewhere around here is where the origin of the clavicles is occluded behind the shoulder
5. Removed your elbow joint crease but put an x on it like a retard. In hindsight I don't know if it was really necessary, don't mind it too much, better look at a ref with the arm in the same position and see what really happens.
6. Cut away a bit of her torso and made it shorter. Not sure if I made it ever so slightly too short but yours was a bit long imo

If you're gonna take things from my version just use it as a general pointer, maybe somebody will make a real redline

>>3775503
>its base is not supposed
Its tip*

>>3775450
this may help

>>3775514
and this

>>3775502
why do some tits have "shape" while other seem to be droopy/watery all over the place?
Talking about young females with naturals in both cases.

Wait what? Did the thread pic related change for anyone else? I swear the "/beg/" was white before instead of blue.

>>3775517
It has to do with the fat content of the breasts. Different women store a different percentage of fat and water in their breasts depending on age, race, and lifestyle, which is reflected in the varying appeal of certain breast shapes across different cultures.
In Sweden, where the fat content is very high, a good hearty boob is appreciated both for its gravity-defying girth and the unparalleled quality of their breast milk.
In eastern Sudan, however, the breasts are mostly devoted to storing water, and they do not consider a woman comely unless her funbags swing below the belly button. A well-watered Sudanese woman can sustain a man for three months in the desert.
Mongolian women enjoy a particular niche of incorporating a large portion of iron into their funbags, much like the North American Beaver. Seasoned Mongolian prostitutes have been known to pierce up to three feet of hardened tank armor with their sharpened nipples alone.
The absolute ratio of breast attractiveness has, of course, been hotly debated throughout history in many a titty committee.

>>3775517
No idea. Guess it varies from person to person, but I don’t specifically know why some are all droopy.

>>3775522
>Reminder of the existential dread that your memories can be complete junk and your brain can construct memories to make you believe things that never happened, every time your brain recalls something that memory is gradually distorted more and more

>>3772860
bump

i currently have no camera due to recent events in my life. but i have been studying this tutorial on www.thedrawingwebsite.com and i want to know, is it a creditable source for beginners? i only started the artistic pursuit like 5 or 4 days ago and i want to know if his teachings could bring my level of skill to a prosperous state.
im all the way up to his stick figure teachings in level o but i havent quite gained the ability to draw a straight line and its really frustrating because straights lines are a must know in art.

>>3775545
Loomis used a ruler for straight lines

>>3775543
Oh god was it really always blue? What the hell is happening to me

>>3775502
>>3775514
>>3775516
Thanks for the quick responses, I think these will be really useful.

>>3775503
Thanks a bunch anon the changes with the chest make a lot more sense to me now, I quite like the changes with regards to her face including the eye and mouth positioning. I think you may right about the torso length.

I'll play around with it and see how things turn out

>>3775548
I'm pretty sure it was always blue but now you're making me doubt myself.

>>3775545
No one can do perfectly straight lines, but you do need to practice fast, clean, confident strokes. Shaky lines can really obstruct your progression, so just practice getting a feel for drawing clean steady strokes by filling pages with a bunch of parallel lines (or well, as parallel as possible).

>>3775552
I made the OP image
It was always blue

>>3775549
No prob. Btw I was gonna draw a new scapula too but forgot to. Your scapula abstraction looks as if she's really forcing her shoulders down even though she's shrugging them. The scapulas are part of the shoulder girdle which is a whole system. From the scapula extends the acromion process which is connected to the outer ends of the clavicle, above the shoulder joints. If the shoulder moves, the scapula does too. Memorizing the basic shape of the scapula and the angle at which the acromion process extends from it will be the one of the first major steps of understanding human anatomy. Godspeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGo4IYlbE5g

>>3775563
Thank you, my brain is doing weird things

I tried making a comic and was astonished at how awful it looks. I dont usually do digital
Why is the art bad and is it funny?

>>3775570
>outer ends of the clavicle
outer end*

>>3775553
so should i do that AND still progress slowly with his teachings? i feel as though maybe i could attempt clean confident strokes WHILE im still working my way up, or is that going too fast and i should focus more on the strokes and make them into immature drawings as to not get bored?

Just some quickies while in detention, i know i fucked up short hair's eyes. literally using the shittiest pencil i got from the teacher. thoughts?

>>3775609
also had to take the photo w my shit school issued laptop

>>3775578
I laughed, but I also have extremely low standards for comedy.

>>3775578
shitty drawings are always funnier

>>3774347
this is not bad tho. put some texture into the hair and add more and more shadows to her skin untill it looks more natural
you might want to draw a little circle that yo ucan latewr erase jsut to keep in mind where the light souce is. i do that sometimes. i think you need to work on shadows and light souce :)

>>3774398
really good but it is exaggerated. might be on purpose tho ofc. eitherway its cool !

>>3774438
lol hes doing good. he just need to shadow it and learn lightsources

fuck me fuck me fuck me fuck you.

i tried learning how to draw eyes from loomis but it feels like its skipping so much. i tried hampton but it feels incomplete or maybe i am not getting it(will go back but fuck loomis) I TRIED COPYING loomis face but i never get it.
fuck me man. i did 2 comic faces i like but i been draw all day that even i can't tell if its good.


fuck myself

>>3774537
look ur hand in a mirror. make sure to turn it the right way. or just look ur hand and make sure to turn it the right way

>>3775553
kind of lookin for an answer here

>>3775166
desu i like it

>>3775609
come on guys thoughts? have i surpassed /beg/

Color and value is a scam

>figure drawing """""class"""""
>literally can't get an oblong head like shape down in the 30 seconds you're supposed to draw a whole body
I'm quitting.

trying to use the loomis head

>>3775854
>Wants to do figure drawing before he can draw an ellipse
Start from the start, you ding dong.

>>3775884
Loomis heads are not r-really applicable to anime imo (all the other parts of the body, however, are imo) and using one of those sketchfab heads or referencing from your fave artist is probably better because it's one of those style things. Animu heads are mostly flattish and are more angled than real people. (also a hint I've seen dropped is for males they're more angular in the chin region and females are more rounded)

Loomis can help you figure out the major parts of a reference image that you need for a body upon which you are sticking your animu head on, but coming up with your own body and head via the loomis method can be quite challenging if it's not perfectly face on.

For other poses, you're going to need references especially when you're starting out. You've heard stories about Kim Jung Gi and whatnot who can draw without refs but they've literally been drawing their entire life, if you want to get to a stage where you can trot out a body like they can it's many more years... but in the years in between I'd use refs.

NEW THREAD UP!

>>3776017

>>3775675
try drawing from reference and actually observing what a face looks like. Loomis heads are a way to help make sense of what you see and make sure you aren't going too off base. Copying loomis heads is pointless unless you are doing it for a specific purpose like improving your linework, figuring out how to demarcate different planes with shading, etc.

>>3775726
why are you drawing so fucking small

>>3775436
looks like the reference was a little overexposed.

>>3775590
Yeah doing that is fine, just remember to occasionally exclusively practice strokes when they’re still shaky.

>>3772468
Okay so I'm looking an anatomical reference and the the hips are really confusing me are they really like that? or is it because I thinned the waist so much.

>>3777318
reference I'm using with this

More proko backs, can anyone crit the muscleplacement and shit?