/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3769968
Plus the years of practice to be good at dynamic sketching than yes that's all you need

>>3769968
>it's another "how do I get good without putting work into it" thread

the question and point of this thread really is what other tools should i learn other than DS, >>3770010 ? for concepting type of work mostly

>>3769968
What you need is talent. It doesn't matter what you do, you need talent. Talent will make you progress when you put in the work.

>>3770038
Bullshit, all you need is a good reason. Drawing "to be good" is a fucking Chimera. You either draw because you enjoy drawing, and end up drawing only what you like, or you want to make a specific product for a specific audience in return for money/fame and you learn that.
Drawing is EASY, as much as any job is easy. Imagine being a Welder and thinking "I'm Welding to be the best Welder. This Japanese Welder that lives in seclusion in Hawaii can make butterfly welds with his dick i can't. It means i'm a shit welder. I have only 97 welding books, and i can't draw everything from them while blindfolded. I'm still an amateur welder and will never make it..."
It would be retarded. Just like the very idea of being "good at drawing" and envy is retarded. The artists who "make it" are not geniuses, they just don't inject retarded notions in what they do and steadily work like every other craftsman out there.

>>3770078
If you don't have talent you will forever be shit and if you have any standards and ambition (which you will if you care about it and you don't do it to waste time) it will crush your soul. You will keep working on shitty art while you grow too old to get anywhere while people younger than you who have drawn for much less time than you surpass you by leaps and bounds because they have talent.
I'm so tired of people here being in fucking denial. Most of you will be mediocre at best for the rest of your lives, keep grinding boxes and shit or Loomis or whatever the fucking method you chose all you want, talent is everything and without it you'll never actually get good.

>>3770091
Kill yourself please, you are clearly a useless human being and there is no need for you in the gene pool

>>3770101
Fucking yes, I will soon. I am useless because I have no talent and I will never be a good artist.

>>3770103
Yes, good. I will not argue about your talent, but on top of your apparent lack of artistic skill you are also generally a shitty and weak human being.

>>3770118
MORE, HURT ME MORE
PLEASE

>>3770091
>I'm so tired of people here being in fucking denial. Most of you will be mediocre at best for the rest of your lives, keep grinding boxes and shit or Loomis or whatever the fucking method you chose all you want, talent is everything and without it you'll never actually get good.
kek
imagine being this much of a loser

>>3770139
Fuck you retard, I don't even want to hurt you. You are literally like my friend who doesn't realize that most of his life issues are the result of him generally being a shitty person in all regards.
George you fucking retard, quitting your job just before a raise was possible because you "couldn't bear it" is not an excuse. Everyone has to deal with this shit, you are not special.

>>3770147
>>3770146
please be more mean, tip me over into killing myself
I'm too much of a coward to do it on my own, I'm not good enough even at self-harm
there's not a thing I can do right, I failed at everything in life because I'm fucking shit
I'm sure I'm the biggest fucking loser on the planet, I literally feel bad wasting oxygen everyday

>>3770091
>Most of you will be mediocre at best for the rest of your lives

So? I know I will never be as good as Craig Mullins, but I am okay with that. I'll just try do my best and get as good as I can.

>>3770168
Why is everyone's idol on here some generic concept faggot?

>t. has never watched a Kim Jung Gi lecture

He literally uses Loomis, just high level enough that he does the construction in his head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uylB8djVDxE

>>3770170
>>3770168
Are you kidding? Craig Mullins is so good, that people knock of JUST HIS WATER and turn it into full paintings that they then sell!

Pic related, proof of someone that took his water.

>>3770170
>Why is everyone's idol on here some generic concept faggot?
You wrong, "everyone's idol on here" is some perverted chink that can't draw, but "he draws ass eaters from imagination whoa, I wanna be like him, fuck western traditions"

>>3770091
I'll never give up and neither should you.

>>3770177
>Kim Jung Gi
>can't draw
On a scale of brick to dumb, how retarded are you?

>>3770182
he was talking about ron julia, obvs

>>3770183
Ass eaters from imagination is definition of Kim Jung Gi

>>3770186
plz see
>>3770182

>>3770170
>>3770176
>>3770168
craig mullins is shit, he's the most bland garbage imaginable and there is not a single piece by him that made me feel anything.

>>3770177
>>3770186
he may draw ass eaters but he also draws REALISTIC CAR ENGINES and lots of other crazy ass complicated stuff and every animal on earth
there are videos of him making doodles on books and he draws everything from a chick in a scuba mask to a dude with an octopus on his head, he draws super good cartoony stuff and realistic stuff just the same
it's incredibly reductive to say kjg is ass eaters from imagination, have you actually ever seen his work?
he's not even my idol btw, he has immense talent and skill but I don't care about his art that much

>>3770179
too late, already gave up
I should really find the strength to stop posting here

>>3770190
Show me one actually good painting by him.
He is good at drawing, really really good at intuitively understanding form, but why do people pretend that he could make art on the same level as Western classics. Being God mode in one fundamental doesn't mean you are the best ever.

>>3769968
This is just a moebius fan art so you’d need to figure out your own tastes and build your own visual language

>>3770198
this is so /beg/ tier it hurts

>>3770198
Why do you ask for paintings when he doesn't do paintings?

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>>3770229
holy fuck he can't draw even if his life depended on it lol

>>3770229
You need some proportion studies. Also, before resorting to a fish eye trick, get some basic perspective studies. Your line work is a bit boring.

But keep at it, don't give up!

>>3770232

>>3770198
>t. ruan jia fan

>>3770193
>craig mullins is shit, he's the most bland garbage imaginable and there is not a single piece by him that made me feel anything.

You have to realize, that he is a commercial artist, and most of the works are created for clients, often for big companies which are more often than not inherently conservative as they are making products, which need to sell.

I actually like his personal work for this reason too. And IMO he is the best artist currently alive, he is actually the only one that I really love and makes me feel something, so there's that.

>>3770170
Who are your idols then?

>>3770272
>I actually like his personal work for this reason too
Care to show something of it?

>>3770234
post work

>>3770272
Your favorite plagiarist, you mean.
>>3770176

oh wow this thread has gone completely off-topic. can anybody answer >>3769968 >>3770016 ?

>>3769968
KJG draws a lot. A LOT. And he does studies, and did a lot of studies in the past. So not only does he draw way more than you, he does it mindfully. There is no substitute to practice.

>>3770016
Design, color theory, value, composition. I don't know if they would be tools in the way that dynamic sketching is a tool for communicating an idea, but they seem essential to concept art.

>>3770091
>Snip snip

>>3770295
Anon, what do you think you're showing him?

>>3770859
That part about somebody making paintings just from Mullin's water is a joke, anon.
Mullin's photobashes famous paintings into his work and never credits shit. That's how you can tell when someone is absolutely /beg/, when they say "I will never be as good as Craig Mullins, but..."

>>3769968
Can you explain dynamic sketching first?

>>3771233
Check the art book thread for dynamic bible.
https://youtu.be/YFVggG7ajXM

This is not what KJG does though, what he does is a whole lot simpler because he can just roughly visualize the space the figures are contained in and then work from his absurd visual memory.

>>3770894
lmao what a fucking hack
I have even less respect for digital artists now

>>3771247
>>3770894
post work

>>3771233
dynamic sketching, viscom, drawabox
are all the same thing really
it's just a set of tools for analysis and communicating an idea via visual means.
it's super useful tool to learn esp for beginner type artists
just checkout drawabox com, but imo the peter han's class is much better; john park/foundation group also has some videos on dynamic sketching too.

>>3770091
>t. rubs hands vigorously

>>3770165
Come home, and live the life you always wanted:

>>>/fit/49191321

>>3770091
Having the effort and the drive to learn is the real talent. Nice of you to out yourself as a faggot loser who won't try, validating your shitty genes and inferior brain chemistry in the process.

>>3769968
Kim Jung Gi uses perspective understanding and a deep memorization of any object he's drawing. Dynamic sketching is more like Feng. Gi shows contour lines when he's teaching, perhaps he ghosts them when he's drawing with no under drawing but I don't think so. He seems more to use his actual lines that he places down as guides of where to put the next thing. And points 'roughly' to a vanishing point. But hey, I could be wrong.

>>3771652
>Talent is not talent, it's just this thing that is talent!
>If you don't believe that then you have bad genes and brain chemistry aka no talent!

>>3771652
He's got you there. It's a bit hypocritical to say it's all dedication and then in the same breath blame the other person for having bad genes and an inferior brain.

There are nicer, more grown up ways of saying this sort of thing, you know, encouraging ways but hey, this is 4chan so no one expects anything different. I wish there was an /ic/ for adults, heavily moderated by mature, real, adults, to filter out all the teenage hormones. No offense guys, its just brutally tiring.

>>3771775
You are definitely wrong. About everything you just said.
Thanks moderndayjames.

>>3770225
He actually does do paintings, and he's a freak at that too. I've seen him do a face with paint just as 'automatically' as he draws. It feels even more impressive and nuts that he's able to do that. I think he only paints for covers though. You can find it on youtube. I don't know what he's using, whether its colored ink, watercolor, or gouache, but it looks like one of those three.

>>3771792
Actually I'm quoting KJG himself. He says that's what he does in a lecture.

>>3771796
Yeah he sketches in watercolor but he doesn't really do paintings, it's still an organic amalgam of random stuff he builds up on the same page.

>>3771796
he did a whole comic in watercolor. he did the grind and he still grinds, but you just see the results.

>>3771792
The only reason I said 'I could be wrong' is because he's also said a lot of other things, and he's been doing it so long I'm not sure how much of his process is actually just something else deeper in his brain. But when he teaches these are the things he says.

He says he builds things in his mind until he knows them. Says that he uses the lines he layed down to know where to put his other lines, and that he's always thinking about perspective. His words, not mine. Go use google and youtube and find out I'm right, or keep being a baby and just arguing with people for no reason other than acting like a child.

>>3771798
>>3771803
You're wrong because you're misconstruing a bunch of shit that KJG has said because you don't seem to understand what the hell drawing is to begin with.

>>3771840
I smell a 10 year old who likes to argue.

>>3771840
Tell him how he is wrong dipshit or you are just >>3771842

>>3771801
Thanks for the info, I appreciate that.

>>3770171
>any construction is loomis
opinion discarded
he didn't invent boxes you fucking retard

>>3770165
Shut the fuck up and go see a therapist lmao y'all are so depressed on this board

>>3772392
My psychiatrist said
>lmao just use painting as release, just splash some paint around!
They just don't fucking understand

>>3770171
This is just some meme he made up after the fact because retards kept pestering him on he got good and he didn't know what to tell them. If you listen to interviews with KJG he mentions how he was drawing 3D objects in kindergarten and how he believes he has a better visual memory than most people; he's able to do what he does because he's naturally gifted, plain and simple. There are KJG wannabes like Peter Han and that James kid who fell for the boxes meme, and they don't even have 1/20th the skill of KJG.

>>3774429
can you back any of your claims here?

>>3770078
>"I'm Welding to be the best Welder. This Japanese Welder that lives in seclusion in Hawaii can make butterfly welds with his dick i can't. It means i'm a shit welder. I have only 97 welding books, and i can't draw everything from them while blindfolded. I'm still an amateur welder and will never make it..."
>It would be retarded. Just like the very idea of being "good at drawing" and envy is retarded. The artists who "make it" are not geniuses, they just don't inject retarded notions in what they do and steadily work like every other craftsman out there.
I really wish I could be like this but I can't bring myself to
I read so many times now advice on this. That you shouldn't be focused on your results because it will disappoint you, that you should enjoy drawing for what it is and let gains come without worry.
But at the end of the day I go back to my tablet monitor and sometimes I can just ignore the awfulness of my art but some bad days I just get so fucking sad and frustrated. I unironically and I mean UNIRONICALLY can't fucking understand how all these artists around me can be so nonchalant about this. They just work hours on end without giving a shit, I can't even lose sense of time while drawing because it's not as fun as vidya or anime or whatever, it's fucking hard and a bitch to solve the equation every time
anyway, /blog

>>3770165
failing isn't the end of the world
when you forgive yourself for failing then you can start being better. you don't enjoy this situation do you? i mean, you can start improving it anytime can't you?
for the record, i'm not some motivator normalfag off facebook or some shit. i know exactly how you feel. but i don't kid myself anymore thinking it's not my fault, it is, well sometimes upbringing too. but the point is, you don't have to make it a bigger deal than it is. the problem is all in your head

>>3774429
While tempting this is actually not true. Kim studied his butt off. He said he thinks he has a better memory but if you actually look into this it seems like a normal human memory and it also seems like it comes from his practice of studying things visually every single day. See >>3771803 I've read a lot of things he's said including from videos and it does seem like he really did gain this ability through sheer practice and non-stop dedication. The guy draws for hours and hours every day and has done so for many many years and he's middle aged now.

I'm not as experienced as him but I have drawn for over 20 years and using his tips I can draw some comic level stuff without any guides too, but not as consistently as him, it's hit or miss because it's brand new to me. I'm not his level, but I can actually see how you could get to a place where you're pretty good at it.

So I wouldn't rule it out as impossible at all. Especially if you find tricks to do perspective without guides, which there are some.

Kim's perspective LOOKS good (all that matters) but it's not accurate. You can take a ruler to his drawings and see the vanishing points don't line up.

A guy like Scott Robertson could probably learn to draw like KJG because he knows perspective so insanely well, he could probably do something pretty decent ALREADY if he did it without any under drawing, just by ghosting his lines to an imaginary VP.

In my opinion you need 2 things to draw without guides or reference. 1. a knowledge of the thing you're drawing, and 2. practice drawing in perspective without guides.

It's not rocket science. It's not EASY, but it's not impossible either. It would definitely seem impossible or like magic to a beginner though.

>>3774586
you can totally focus on results. it literally just takes longer to get good results if you're not experienced. There are children who can paint like professionals because they have retard discipline and spend 300 hours on a painting instead of 20.

western people have this stupid idea that you have to perform like a pro right from the start. USE reference if you need reference. Study the body part you're drawing. Don't know how to do something in perspective? Look it up!

You don't need to be able to do all this stuff from your head immediately. It's stupid. All of /ic/ practically has this stupid idea that unless you can draw/paint as fast and in the same way as a professional you can't make good work. It's complete garbage nonesense.

Don't know how to make a brush stroke the way you want it? LOOK IT UP. You have google. Back in the day you'd have to pester some old dude who was doing it all his life or pour through a horrible boring book and HOPE it had the advice you were looking for.

Nowadays anyone with an IQ of 100 and enough time on their hands can make a decent painting it's just going to take you longer.

3d guys don't have the same mental illness of thinking you have to know how to do everything or else you can't work. They look it up! Don't know how to do a hard edge? Look it up! Don't know everything about the model you're making? Look it up! Look up the parts of a motorcycle.

No other profession has so many tards as art it seems. If a construction worker doesn't know ho to do something, he looks it up or asks someone to show him, it might take him way longer to do a great job, but if he's determined he will do it.

You may not do a perfect job but you can do waaaay better than most people imagine even with no knowledge or skill whatsoever. Just time, effort, and a bit of research.

>>3776807
Art is not magic and it's time people stop treating it like some special skill. It's like everything else in the physical universe. It has rules, it has steps, it is just like math. 1+1 = 2. Drawing in perspective makes people like a drawing more. Perspective is not new science. It has rules. It has steps. It's just like anything else. Utterly achievable. Even stuff people think is special like style or appeal has a basis in real brain science, psychology, things humans LIKE to see. NONE of it is magic. This world is ruled by laws and art is no exception. And inb4 some 10 year old says people have different taste - SO WHAT, there is a reason why some art/comics sell to millions and we can all tell if someone is /beg/ tier. It's because there isn't THAT much room. It's not like someone who likes one artist over another is an alien. Eyes don't work THAT differently in different people and sorry to burst your bubbles but neither do brains or what people like to see.