/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3748540
So who is more sexually repressed? The guy who just likes his females to be sexy and beautiful or the guy who can't even read the comic without going on a rant?

>>3748540
ok the OP image is retarded and autistic but you sound retarded and autistic too. you only added something retarded and autistic to this board that hasnt made anyone happy, good work faggot.

>the females
enjoy never getting laid, eugene

Honestly Im starting to agree with radfems. It should be considered obscene to depict women in any circumstances except wearing a prairie dress and bonnet while holding a toddler's hand in a wheat field. Oh and they have to be blonde and have their hair in braids.

>>3748540
>t**blr

>>3748540 >>3748542
Nah, this completely has a point and you're strawmanning it. Sexy stuff is cool but that butt pose is laughably out of place there.

>>3748540
While I'm sure the author of the post is a onions fellow, there is a point to it. It undermines the weight and thus merit of an emotional scene is the character is doing a fucking porn-pose like the Harley pic in question

>>3748557
a scene can be emotional or disgusting even if there is a sexy ass somewhere in there

the fact that you can't see the scene for what it is without noticing the ass makes you the sexual repressed one

>>3748562
>porn-pose
sit on your knees while leaning in to hug somebody, changes are you will either sit in a ''porn pose'' or an awkward one which is putting the weight strain on your bones/ joints instead of your muscles

>>3748567
>ass taking up a large portion of the page
>in skintight clothing that deliberately emphasizes it
>heels make an arrow pointing towards the ass
>is a very common pose in porn
>is not a common pose outside of it
>deliberately not dynamic so that the viewer can look at the ass in concentration

Yeah, not a porn pose

>>3748540
>>3748542
The fuck? It fucking nothing.

>>3748542
GOD DAMN IT
WHY DON’T I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND GODDAMNITGODDAMNITGODDAMNIT I’M SO FUCKING LONELY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>3748579
t. neet virgin
Go outside

>>3748587
Because you sir are a massive faggot

>>3748590
please return to Reddit

>>3748590
>plebbitor trying to fit in

>>3748542
>the mirror reflection is reflecting the wrong color
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3748619
no its not you aspie

>>3748540
So why do you care about an obscure Tumblr blog's opinion, op? Could it be because you're a fucking untermensch faggot that seeks to be victimized in order to have an excuse to not practice drawing big titty anime girls, because the ESS JAY DUBYAS are preventing you from drawing sexy girls, because you're such a faggot that some rando autist on the internet complaining about sexy girls actually deters you from drawing them since you're afraid of them ostracizing you? How did you even find this random post, do you just spend hours on Tumblr looking for SJW complaints? Are you even an artist yourself op, or did you just make this post, which is remotely related to art, to bait even more TRITE sociopolitical discussions? Why does everyone on this board have such a fucking slave/cuck mentality and yet have the audacity to post diary excerpts about being a depressed faggot? Stop giving a fuck about SJWs and retarded cape comics and kill yourself already.

>>3748542
>>3748540
Maybe the solution would be to have people in skintight clothing have cheesy adventures like they did 50 years ago, and have actual characters with actual personality do more dramatic shit? No?

>>3748557
Who fucking cares, it's fucking superheroes lmao
You literally read that shit look at spandex asses, the plot in these things is garbage

>>3748540
I'm with that guy
The girls, before going for the narrative emotional climax, should remove all their clothes to be seen much more pure than in skinsuit designed to be sexually appealing
We would appreciate the scene a lot more
In fact, I'll edit it if I'm in the mood

>>3748684
They should also insert a buttplug with a sign coming out of it saying "don't look at the ass, this is not appropriate"

>>3748642
yes, it is, her right leg is red, her left is black, and the mirror shows her left leg, but it shows it red

>>3748642
It's the wrong color, black should be in the mirror

>>3748642
hello /beg/

>>3748619
yes and? It would have been uglier it it was black

>>3748742
hmm, true that, artistic license I guess

>>3748540
>>3748542
Yeah let's listen to those 'concerns', change it and watch the sales drop. The people concernfagging about that type of stuff don't even buy comics.

>>3748542
ngl OP post is right, I can't take this seriously or emotionally I'm just looking at ass

>>3748544
this
Nobody fucking cares about you or your political agenda

>>3748828
I wouldn't be able to take capeshit seriously in the first place

It honestly sickens me when non-artists try to decide what is acceptable and what is not. Art in all it's forms is an expression of the artist. Others should have no say over their unique expression.

Secondly, The ENTIRE body is beautiful. We should seek to idealise it AND DISPLAY IT IN A MANNER WHICH DEMONSTRATES THIS BEAUTY. When we drape something over the form it is to add mystery, tension, and to accentuate the form. Not simply to cover it up and hide it.

The only people that hate the human form are the Self-Loathing and the Religiously Coddled.

>>3748542
can someone add a braap sfx to it

>taking capeshit seriously
wew

>>3748540
>>3748542
I don't get the first one because he draws males almost the same way. And maybe it's because I have a low sex drive but, my eyes aren't drawn to her ass, if anything the reflection bothers me way more than the pose? I feel like there's way worse, unnecessary sexualization of female characters to complain about either of these
t.bi femanon

>>3748844
nvm I did it

>>3748844
nvm I did it

>>3748849
you're sexualizing a woman if you draw her in tight fitting clothes with a slim figure and wide hips and buxom breasts and soft features and full lips.

but you're NOT sexualizing a man if you draw him with a strong jaw, a prominent brow, zero body fat, thick neck, in tight fitting clothes with bulging biceps, chiseled abs, wide shoulders, and huge pecs

I mean really it's quite obvious, can't you see? The first is a totally unrealistic depiction of a woman. It does nothing but make women feel insecure and give males a false idea of what women should look like. The second, well, that's just totally acceptable and not sexual at all because... uh... Uhm....
*nervous sweating*
Look don't be misogynist, okay? What are you some kind of alt right gamer goober?

>>3748540
let's capeshit die and the indie shall rise

>>3748840
Good post.

>>3748542
Unnatural looking pose, OP's pic is right, the braap is too distracting.

>>3748540
>capeshit
>tumblr
>"why I love comics"
>literally sucks the fun and life out of comics
>basedboi getting offended on women's behalf because he thinks he'll get female attention
Capeshit and the low-test faggots that read it need to die already.

>>3748876
Aren't super heroes drawn like that to literally be a power fantasy that you can self insert to? Stronk to break buildings and get babes. They're not really meant to be sexual.
The problem with females is that making them an ideal form for women to self insert is a bit tough. If you muscle them out it's a bit weird and girls don't usually want to be like that. They usually want to be sexy as it's own sort of power fantasy, as women appreciate being attractive possibly more than men do.
So if you make them sexy it just looks sexist regardless. It's a pretty dumb scenario.

>incels the thread
yeah thats going to be another quick hide post form me

>>3748999
I have never seen a muscular man and had a "power fantasy"

The idea is so retarded. This is what women think men think when we see stories about men doing cool stuff. No I dont have a fucking power fantasy I just want a spectacle. I want to watch Conan kill the giant snake, I want to read about Perseus slaying the gorgon. I dont self insert as a juicy muscular Stallone when I watch Rambo. I watch it because it's cool.

If Superman is a power fantasy why does he have Kryptonite? If Rambo is a power fantasy why is he a hobo who cries hysterically? These are characters with flaws and its interesting to watch them from a storytelling perspective.

>>3749009
Agreed. I just wanna watch cool shit.

>>3748564
The point is that it detracs from it, tard.
Yeah, autistically speaking you can have a very tragic scene of a girl dying while her corpse also strikes a sexy pose, but to pretend like it doesn't detracts from the tragedy is to be brain dead. A lot of animu has the same retarded problem.

>>3748619
This is what /ic does to you. Go draw some more, fag.

>>3748876
It is because you have low sex drive, anyone with eyes can understand that is sexualized.

>>3748876
If it were a guy sticking his ass out you wouldn't hesitate to call it sexualized.

>>3748840
>What is critique
Art is created for non artists, the public can give any opinion they want, if you don't want people to critice your art keep it to yourself.
By far the dumbest take on this thread.

>>3748884
This. Capeshit comics are irrelevant. Let better stuff come forth

>>3749032
You clearly simply do not know what a critique even is. Your ignorance is showing. What of the composition? The Harmony, The technique and detail work?
That is the nature of critique in art. Not "I don't like it because im afraid of sexuality. "

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>>3749043
You're an absolute fucking retard holy shit.

>>3748872
Pretty much in character for Harley.

>>3749032
>Art is created for non artists
That highly, highly subjective

Nevermind that an artists critique will inherently be more valuable than a non artist one, simply because an artist knows what to look for in a critique and knows that art is a answer to a problem as much as it is expression.
Yet I don't see how you or that post critique any of this in terms of problem solving.
Thing is, if you let your vision be manipulated by non artists, you will 100% always loose.
You cannot draw a character design like old harley AND pose her in that way without showing her ass off. So this was the correct choice here, unless you wanna get some hyper dynamic angle going at which point it would defeat the simplicity of the scene.
You're up, tell us how you would've solved this problem.

>>3748540
>>3748645
Yes, this is EXACTLY why kill la kill, moe anime stuff or generic heroes will NEVER be taken seriously. You can talk all the way you want about serious subjects, insert as much drama about reasonable concerns, if it happens in a scene where characters are dressed like schoolgirls with enormous eyes/neon green & ridiculous haircuts/skimpy outfits, IT WON'T WORK.

>>3749019
Aaaah, common sense.

>>3749270
okay anon, if I make the most perfect fundamental and amazing composition of dicks being chopped off an artist is going to have a very hard time critiquing the piece, but the masses or non artists are going to look at it and fucking be disgusted and hate it. Are you fucking serious when you think an artists critique and non artists critique are the same and artists just know more?

>>3749286
Speak for yourself, faggot.

>>3748542
lmao is that her butt clipping through the panel?
fucking capeshit

>>3748564
She'd still have a sexy bum in general if she wasn't sticking her arse out like she's doing a tricky shit. It isn't about being prudish about incidental features it's that the image looks retarded.

>>3749296
>the masses or non artists are going to look at it and fucking be disgusted and hate it
Everyone loves a good ol' cut up gronch

It’s comics, literally the lowest of lowbrow art. What does this even matter? It is inherently without taste.

>>3748540
when will people adjust to the fact that you can say inflamatory things on the internet and people will see them?

>>3748542
American comics are embarrassing how do they endlessly make money and movies

>>3749406
Pretty sure the comics part of american comics is only kept alive by the movie franchises

>>3749344
fucking orc stain

>>3749070
Eat shit brainlet. Fuck you.

>>3748540
>comic art actually looks pretty good for a change
>"it's offensive, stop it"
No wonder why capeshit art is shitty and dead now.

>>3748849
You gonna post juicy manbutt or not?

>>3748872
Based

>>3749286
Seems like you missed the whole point of Kill La Kill.

>>3749286
Nah, I've been on your side the whole thread but Kill La Kill is an example of fan-service done well.

>>3749043
Oh my god, a critique doesn't have to critique only the fundamentals, you absolute retard, Have you actually read an art critique in your life? Why retards like you are always the most smug ones?

>>3749270
Okay, I'm sure your "comics made only for artists" entrepreneurship would be very successful.
Do you apply this same retarded logic with any other form of art? Do you watch Suicide Squad and think to yourself "wow I didn't like that movie but I can't have an opinion on it until Tarantino talks about it". When a group of friends is talking about how shit The Emoji Movie is, do you stop them to remind them that they are not film directors so they can't criticize it because they don't know what racord is?

>>3750101
I have never watched klk but I love that character, I love that stern woman type in anime like Integra Hellsing

>>3748587
Youre the reason I get up in the morning

>>3749019
>The point is that it detracs from it, tard.

In your mind, because to you its sexually provocative as you're either repressed, perverted or both. To others, esp. artists who actually draw the human form, its just body posed+ridiculous capeshit clothes.

I'm sorry capeshit isn't the ideal vessel for dramatic stories, but thats the actual "problem" here. What it most definitely isn't is the artist not obscuring her figure on second thought like its the Victorian era or Pilgrimsville 2: witchhunt bugaloo.

Go whip yourself or something.

>>3750785
Seriously one of the characters is dressed like a literal clown

>>3749009
>>3749013
Typically, the shredded handsome protagonist is directed more towards males (at least in the west.) For example, see how Hugh is marketed towards women (Good Housekeeping) vs how he's marketed toward men.

It's easy to believe you are insusceptible to marketing schemes, but in reality no one is. Dudes like watching strong dudes do cool things because it makes them able to impart some of that feeling onto themselves. It's a power fantasy.

Women can have similar fantasies marketed toward them, such as in otome games where the protag has some special thing about them that makes all the other characters fall in love (a thing which usually is not their physical appearance.) If there is any sexiness, its usually secondary to a higher position of power. ex, Diana/Wonderwoman in the recent movie.

While sexualization isn't inherently wrong and has its time and place, it can be offputting to see a female character unnecessarily sexualized in situation that doesn't call for it. Why estrange half your potential audience?

And from a story telling standpoint, you are detracting from the emotional value of the scene you're depicting by distracting the viewer with random ass. If a scene is meant to be sad, why muddy that feeling with trying to make people horny?

>>3751381
We need a renaissance of media featuring shredded guys doing cool shit and getting hot babes, but well done and entertaining like Predator and Total Recall.
We need a new Arnie, goddammit. Can't we fucking clone him?

>>3751383
>We need a renaissance of media featuring shredded guys doing cool shit and getting hot babes
I think that media is moving past being marketed exclusively toward one gender or another, and the media that is marketed that way will soon be considered niche (as it should be)

Movies that perform well tread carefully to market towards all sorts of groups, including ripped men, unsexualized women, older parents, etc etc in their media.

Men on comics are over sexaulized as well with the "perfect" body? What's the problem?

>>3751390
>that pic is sexualized
Really? Come on. We must go further.
Most straight women don't prefer bara anyways, it's not really the "ideal" body for sexualization by females.

>>3751390

>>3751393
>>3751381
this

>>3751390
>>3751393
plebs.

>>3751393
Sure, just like how slim women with big titties arn't what men "really" like

>>3751396
What are you trying to say? I dig this kind of thing.

>tumblr roasties ITT
>"this is what you SHOULD draw"
fuck off

>>3751400
I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make here?

Media produced by men, for men typically involve women with shapely breasts,hips, and lower body fat %.

Media produced by women for women typically involve slender, pretty-faced men with slight muscle definition.

There is some variation(as well as niche fetishes), but these are typically what you see.

>>3751403
I have to believe that you're either trolling, or didn't actually read the thread.

It's not a sjw issue entirely, its the fact that sticking sexualized images in what should be a non-sexual scene will ultimately detract from your story-telling ability. Nothing is inherently evil about sexual women or men.

Its the same reason you wouldn't color a depressing scene with bright, saturated colors. Unless you REALLY know what you're doing, it distracts from the emotions you are trying to convey.

>>3751400
I would say that slim body/big tiddy isn't as in fashion right now was it was 20 years ago, with Khardashian-type bodies carving out a bigger niche than they had before. Regardless, I think there are more examples of famous non-muscley heartthrobs than muscley.
>Edward Cullen, twink
>50 Shades of Grey guy, average fit build but in a position of power
And in regards to anime
>Otome games, Free!, with slim feminine guys
>Osomatsu muppets

>>3749019
>>3750785
SAVAGE

>>3751386
>the media that is marketed that way will soon be considered niche
Out of curiosity I just watched the trailer / ending of the Predator remake
the main guy is some skinny manlet shooting the predator with a faggy 9mm pistol, they don't even have guns in this movie, America's favorite fetish, it's not in it
a skinny woman at some point jumps on top of the 8ft tall predator and almost fatally wounds it in the head with a knife or something and she doesn't die immediately afterwards
I've seen a 12 yo kid in a couple shots, why is there a fucking kid, the movie is rated R
It also went like shit in the box office, why did they make this movie?

>(as it should be)
Why can't you have ONE action movie with a bunch of roided up military guys shooting gatling guns in the jungle? Why does everything need to be sanitized and have a fucking woman in it doing exactly 50% of the work that the main guy does even though she weights 53lbs?

Do you think men today wouldn't like a cool action movie done like the 80s? Has the test been all replaced with soi or is this just enforced by the PC police? I think it's the latter. Now that I think of it the women in the 80s weren't even damsels in distress, they were pretty cool characters like Sarah Connor. They made a horror movie recently with a cast of all military stronk women (Annihilation), why can't you have a movie with manly men anymore? The last one I've seen was fucking Dredd and everyone agrees it's great, you can definitely still make good action movies.
It's insane how PC and retarded this era is, this everyone-friendly gender-role-reversal, all-inclusive-at-all-costs anti-masculinity sterilized garbaggio is fucking awful. I don't understand why can't feminists have their own shit and men their own. I mean there is porn! Porn! where women take 4 dicks in every hole like animals, but the feminists have to go after movies and fucking comic books? Goddammit.

>>3751427
That said yeah, Harley's ass sticks out too much

>>3751429
Fag.

>>3751429
>>3750785
>To others, esp. artists who actually draw the human form, its just body posed+ridiculous capeshit clothes.
Actually - sorry for the samefag - this anon is right. It's just the retarded skintight outfits. They just want to sanitize the outfits and make them all baggy probably, that's their aim. They already covered up a bunch of female superheroes and hired gay artists to draw them so they look like men

Also why the fuck are people buying a comic where two women have a sentimental hug scene in the first place? What's this faggy shit? Who fucking cares? Why isn't the climax about Batman doing something cool and beating the shit out of people? Muh feelings!

>>3748542
He/She's right tho, he sprinkled too much fan-service in this moment where it is supposed to be emotional

>>3751427
>Why can't you have ONE action movie
You have plenty, at one time a ton of them were being produced. They're just off trend right now. At some point hypermasculinity will swing back, but a lot of people are burnt out on it right now. Give it some time and people will get bored of SJW stuff too.
I think something that's a big deal to SJWs is the normalization of the women, feminine men, etc. which is why they care more about mainstream media than porn.
For what it's worth, I hardly watch any movies. I want more weird and depressing shit, and I want the heroes to lose, but I'm not expecting that to get popular any time soon.

>>3751496
>Give it some time and people will get bored of SJW stuff too.
I honestly doubt that will happen. It's the first time a movement wanted to demote everything else instead of just promoting their own rights, and you can't escape that, there's always something new they will find offensive

>>3751495
It's the costume. If the fabric stretched over her ass like a regular pair of pants the pose wouldn't stand out. It's just that there's a factually naked ass in that picture so you're going to look at it. And the lesbian who was policing comics that day also looked at it

>>3748999
>The problem with females
Is they are female. They can't admire, only resent. That's why they can't understand why men love sports and action movies and watching bands live, and all the things they think we do because we want to supplant the people who do them.

That's why they can't stand prettier and more successful women, specially when they're not real. Because they can't take their status for themselves and they're incapable of just enjoying the show.

>>3751386
>Movies that perform well tread carefully to market towards all sorts of groups, including ripped men, unsexualized women, older parents, etc etc in their media.
Not really, movies that have performed well in the 10's have had a core audience and incidental appeal born of the core audience hyping the shit out of it. There's only 1 movie in the top 10 moneymakers for the decade that isn't nerdshit and it's Frozen.

>>3751503
Our grandparents lived this shit during the cold war and using music concerts as an example, what happened was the escalation of Queen into Kiss into Alice Cooper into Marylin Manson.

When these faggots are the balding uncool old farts instead of the 25-30 active majority in social media, the new kids will do to their culture what they did to ours.

>capeshit
>emotional scene

>>3748884
>and the indie shall rise
Lol, indie comics have always been poorly drawn, unregulated garbage since the beginning.
Unless you enjoy Sturgeon's law on steroids then go for it.

>>3748548
god damn I wish this was the norm

>>3748999
>Male power fantasy

I honestly can't comprehend that retarded argument. It's a male power fantasy, therefore it's bad...?
Isn't the whole point of fiction to let you explore a fantasy world to distract you from everyday life?
Apparently we can't enjoy fiction anymore without somebody "deconstructing it" into an evil bigoted thing.

Yes, male power fantasies exist. Yes, they have broads with huge racks. So what?

>>3751386
Absolutely revolting and the japs spit on your ideas and win it.

This is why western media became trash. Mass appeal instead of core focus.

>>3751390
Problem is, feminists think sexualized depictions of female bodies implicitly "set a standard" about how a woman should look like, as well as being exploitative.
For them, any pressure going towards women is bad, no matter what.
When the same happens with male characters they don't care, because they don't care about putting high standards on men.

They get away with this because this is the mainstream opinion of western society too. Even if the vast majority of people aren't feminists at all, they still want to protect women at all costs, including protecting women from responsibility and consequences of their own actions (which is why women get laxer sentences and punishments compared with those of men even if they commit the same crime).

It is baffling that after all this talk about gender equality and whatnot, society still wants to treat women as spoiled children who can't handle responsibility.

>>3751386
>I think that media is moving past being marketed exclusively toward one gender or another, and the media that is marketed that way will soon be considered niche (as it should be)
And that's why western media is fucking failing for the most part. Stop trying to appeal to everyone at fucking once and just settle on one demographic.
>current
>"action" movie (appeal to men in name only)
>main character is a non-threatening man (appeal to feminists)
>female sidekick who's super smart and knows what's best at all times, but don't you DARE call her a mary sue or you're sexist (appeal to women and feminists)
>black best friend who's super smart and strong and the ladies love him (appeal to blacks)
>nothing really happens or develops with the black guy because that's racist (appeal to blacks)
>film takes place in china or the characters deal with the chinese in some way (appeal to chinese)
>lots of dumbass jokes at the wrong times and references to pop culture and social media (appeal to young adults and teenagers)
The Japs know how to pick a demographic and taylor the media to them. If other demographics get on board, that's cool but they don't betray the core audience.

>>3748742
Your statement, while technically subjective, is objectively wrong.

>>3749009
I do, maybe you’re just the minority

>>3752078
>. It's a male power fantasy, therefore it's bad...?
Nobody said this. If you read the thread, its simply saying that sexualized female characters can't be equated to buff/ half naked men, because both are meant for the enjoyment of the male audience. The ripped men are a power fantasy, not there for the enjoyment of women.

>>3752078
>Yes, male power fantasies exist. Yes, they have broads with huge racks. So what?

If that's what you personally enjoy, so be it. But you can't reasonably be upset when there's 50% of the population it doesn't cater, and that 50% voices their opinion.

I mean, if comics were drawn in the style of pic related, you wouldn't like it very much either right?

>>3751381
Bad example.

One magazine is geared towards fitness, the other one seems pretty inoffensive because apparently the target is moms

GQ is a "man's magazine" and it doesn't present Jackman as a roided freak but as an elegant gentleman

>>3752751
>When the same happens with male characters they don't care, because they don't care about putting high standards on men.

see >>3751381


>>3752890
>Stop trying to appeal to everyone at fucking once and just settle on one demographic
Mainstream media will always try to appeal to as many audiences as possible. Japanese media does the same. Please understand that anime is its own niche in Japan as well.

>>3752908
>apparently the target is moms

..are you implying moms aren't women?

>>3752907
another ex to show how it can be uncomfortable to see the infantilization/sexualization of your gender

>>3752936
Yeah but would this really appeal to women though? At least in the west, this kind of hyper androgynous aesthetic is still appealing to men (traps for example ) and simply dressing and posing men like women ( like the Hawkeye Initiative) won't really appeal to women either.

>>3752908
fair enough! I can admit the magazine covers might be a bad example.

Here's something that illustrates my point more clearly. Implying that women do like super ripped guys (which some definitely do!), there's still a difference in sexualization vs the power fantasy.

>>3751386
>I think that media is moving past being marketed exclusively toward one gender or another, and the media that is marketed that way will soon be considered niche (as it should be)

Source?

>>3751393

What you just posted appeals to a small minority of masculine women, and women who find feminine gay men to be entertaining. The vast majority of women prefer the bulky unshaved supes look. Female artist/feminists tend to have a more masculine oriented brain and they aren't really representative of women as a whole.

>>3751416

Both Edward Cullen and Jamie Dornan have a hyper masculine profile. You don't get too chose them as representative of some kind of effeminate twink gay men ideal you fucking idiot.

>>3752946
>Yeah but would this really appeal to women though?
There are literally thousands of comics/manga marketed towards women that feature this kind of aesthetic. Google fujoshi.

>>3752947
>>3752908
pic related is an example of a female power fantasy vs sexualization.

>>3752954
see
>>3752947

>>3752960

"power fantasy" is just feminist jargon.

>>3752960
That's why I send in the west. What is attractive tends to vary from culture to culture, and what may be considered sexy in Japanese media (pretty boys and somewhat androgynous men) may not be popular in western media beyond a small niche.

Like even comparing our prime examples of pretty boys like Bieber or young DiCaprio, it's a much different aesthetic preference.

>>3752968
fair. but regardless, see >>3752947 and >>3752960

Even with the same aesthetics, there's a difference between sexualization and a power fantasy.

>>3752967
If you don't intend on actually providing reasoning behind your points, please refrain from posting.

>>3752954
Apparently Aquaman is a big success with women and saved the DCEU thanks to it. Only because the lead is an hypermasculine caricature

>>3752960
I think a big problem with you example, Cho vs Jenkins is that American comics rely too much in dynamic poses. With the skimpy clothes women wear it is somewhat difficult to not cross into "sexualization" territory

And Cho is an interesting example, yeah, he was kicked out because of the panties controversy (that cover is censored in case someone doesn't know). But his She-Hulk and Wonder Woman have been criticized by many because they cross into female bodybuilder territory

>>3752971
I can agree with that.

Frank Cho might be “our guy” but he fuckin’ sucks

>>3752971

"power fantasy" just means hyper masculine. "sexualized" just means hyper feminine.

If you "sexualize" men the same way you do women, you create gay porn.

By the way. This is a cover by Clay Mann, OP's author

A man's muscular ass being the compositional focus of a cover is clearly a "male power fantasy"

>>3748567
>sit on your knees while leaning in to hug somebody
Nigga you won't have lordosis when you're doing that pose, you'll most likely round your back like a scared cat.

>>3752987
Now that's epic trolling. Guy knows exactly what he is doing.

>>3752898
retard

>i dont like his art because im too busy objectifying the women in the scene to appreciate it

>>3750785
>Sexualization is in your own mind

Leaving aside how close that sounds to a very retarded feminist position, non autistic people can pick up on sexualization withouth problems, if that scene were in something made for children, normal people would raise an eyebrow.
Also, lmao at your "is just anatomy" excuse, you sound like a teenager trying to argue that boob physics are just for more realism. Half of the comments on this thread feel like they were written by 14 year olds.
Saying "capeshit la bad, don't ask it to be good!" Is the most retarded copout ever.

>>3751477
Plenty of manga and comics have characters with skintight suits without needing to strike an ass shot in a dramatic scene. You autist still don't understand that having sexy scenes
=/= trying to make every single scene sexy.
Fucking Sin City has women naked and fucking most of the time, and somehow Miller manages not to be so retarded as to put sex appeal where it doesn't belong.

>>3748540
>I can't tolerate women being sexy
>but somehow this means the other guy is the repressed one

>>3752907
>>3752936

>Nobody said this.
I was talking more about the mainstream opinion about it, rather than a post in this thread.
>If that's what you personally enjoy, so be it.
I didn't said I enjoy that. Just saying that there's nothing wrong with male power fantasies and what they may or may not contain.
>But you can't reasonably be upset when there's 50% of the population it doesn't cater, and that 50% voices their opinion.
Don't assume all women are automatically gonna hate what doesn't cater to them. Plenty of women enjoy content aimed at men and vice-versa.
And for the record, I actually kinda like those two pics you posted. The first one with the tiger needs some serious polishing tho.

>Male Power Fantasies don't appeal to women
>Aquabro is selling great with most female demos because Drogo makes them wet.
Same with Thor
It's simplistic to say any one style of presentation for men/women only appeals to men/women. There are chicks who are also way into overblown female cheesecake, Pin up culture is lousy with them.

Also
>Clay Mann
>Sexually repressed

>>3752056
this ain't it chief

>>3754512
I mean, you should know by now that the people who use insults like incel, virgin, sexually repressed, etc are just outing their own insecurities.

>>3752936
Yeah, but pic related is 14.So of course him in that outfit is creepy.

>>3754668
Lol shut up virgin

>normies
you have to go back

>the females
lmao, I can smell the stench of virgin faggot from a mile away

>>3748540
>this thread

>>3753384
I guarantee you don't read much Manga, if at all.

>>3754512
>>Male Power Fantasies don't appeal to women
>>Aquabro is selling great with most female demos because Drogo makes them wet.

male power fantasy isn't the same as sexualization. Aquaman is doing well because it includes both of these things, and women will pile up in droves to see anything with female oriented fan service (ex, Magic Mike)

You can have a the same build used in both a sexual manner as well as a manner that provides a male power fantasy. see >>3752947

>>3751427
Wisdom will not kill you Mugabe

>>3748644
bl*ck subhumans , how does this make you feel?

You could have a completely homogenous community of middle class bl*cks. A nice town with almost no crime, an all round good community. However because of the weakness of the bl*cks all it would take to destroy this community is one WHITE bull?

Just imagine, it's a nice sunny Sunday afternoon, imagine the bustle of this 100% BL*CK town until suddenly a couple of WHITE stallions walk up. Women would feel more attraction to these superior, strong stallions infinitely more than their pathetic bl*ckoid husbands. Every woman would be begging, grovelling to be impregnated by these overlords, the new kings of the town who earned this position with nothing but their superior presence. And these stallions wouldn't stop until every girl was carrying their children, the bl*ck women's original children would probably be neglected. Who the fuck would want to raise these inferior children? They are only going to turn out like their fathers.

The Men? The men would flee after realizing how futile their attempts at winning back their wives attraction would be. They would flee to Mexico where they will try to win over FAS looking ugly latino girls because they are the only things disgusting and lonely enough to accept them. Many would probably be rejected after the latinos hear of their shameful and dishonorable display, even they probably would have killed themselves to avoid the shame.

Back home in the once nice town, every woman will be raising their WHITE children and will be queuing up for their second or maybe even third pregnancy. They wont stop until they hit menopause, because they know deep down that their purpose is to populate the world with superior WHITE stallions who will then move on to destroy other towns. This is REAL colonization. You can't take over a place without winning the attraction or respect of the people, that method will always collapse.

>>3756083
>bl*ck subhumans , how does this make you feel?

I'll stick with the boys.

>>3756106
As much as I hate fags, I can only welcome if every nigger become one.

>>3756106
More true than you think.

>>3753767
It's just ugly women being ugly in and out.

>>3748540
Op's post is valid. Faces are emotionless, figures are in weird poses. Give us titties with depth.

>fortnite
wat
>omg his dick
>dick robber
wat
>remote control
wat

>>3754819
Wrong. Try an actual argument next time.

>>3748644
Based

>>3748542
that looks awkward and deliberate as fuck yeah, its like shes intentionally pushing her ass out instead of confortably resting her weight on her calves

>>3749344
what the fuck is this
I've seen a lot of degenerate shit but that's just weird man

>>3749286
I think hero boys are cute, even those in tights, but I still pay attention to the plot. Maybe just don't have the brain of a baby.

>>3748540
>their outfits literally go inside their asses

Isn't that the way superheroes are meant to be drawn though? I mean, haven't they always been drawn as if they're naked to show off the most amount of muscle definition and character silhouette?

>>3752751
Damn, I hate Bruce Timm's style.

>>3748540
>>3748542
I see that the artist has graduated from the 'Greg Land School of Inappropriate Poses and Camera Shots for Ineffective Storytelling'

oh my god imagine thinking fucking capeshit comic strips can be deep and meaningful hahahahaHAHAH

>>3750311
Suck cock and literally die you fucking ngmi

>>3758494
Woah hahaaha what an insightful reply didn't expect 4chan man to use gay slur and tell someone to die hahaah original 4chan poster here woah hahaha

>>3756083
This is a weird larp

>>3758409
Women are unable to admire ideal women, all they feel when they see classic female super heroes is jealousy.