/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

is it worth watching bakuman?

>>3731964
Do you want to talk about the publishing part too?
>>3731978
Read it instead. The anime doesn't add anything new, in fact I'd say it makes it quite boring;

>>3731981
yeah publishing is also cool, anything discussing making your own manga in any form is good.

my publishing plan is self publishing mine and also placing it online on pixiv

>>3731964
I liked these two videos about SFX and effect lines although I made regular comics, not manga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouesEnSBtgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdVf1Y6qox4
Ignore the cringey presentation and format, the content is decent

Manben on YouTube is always interesting if you haven't seen it yet although it's more about the general workflow than actual lessons on how to make a comic

The author of Devil's Candy is incredibly skilled and made a few blog posts about her process
http://blackmoontides.blogspot.com/2012/11/making-soulless.html
http://devilscandycomic.tumblr.com/post/129612721345/people-have-been-asking-for-process-pics-so
http://devilscandycomic.tumblr.com/post/117369805360/kazus-house-the-color-pic-is-the-final-design
>Two videos of her doing some inking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYXdrxKvElc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDYiSF2AywM
she doesn't explain much though.

I haven't really looked around that much but this is what I liked, most tutorials are just timelapses of people doing the actual thing

The Will Eisner trilogy of books is good
The books "Making Comics" and "Understanding Comics" are good

Akira Toriyama made a little fun comic about manga but it's only in Italian and French IIRC
https://mega.co.nz/#!UV4wCTyQ!Mwx4v0inlOJ5HRTjlOvroRvPac185MooNWLWmssb9ag

P.S. if you don't have Japanese work ethic and draw 16 hours a day you'll likely NGMI anyway so abandon all hope

Nobody western can make manga. It will always look like a phony imitation of the yellow master race.
Anyone can spot a real manga drawing and tell it apart from a fake western one in the glipse of an eye.

>>3732041
>Nobody western can make manga.
Devil's Candy is a better manga than most manga.

>>3732035
thanks for sharing these I like them a lot, never seen the sfx stuff before so I know those will be a good watch. I have watched a bit of manben it's really good but I need to get back to finish all the episodes of it. i'm totally going to check out these resources, the only legit physical manga making resource I own is the book "manga in theory and practice" by the creator of jojo. that and a whole lot of bad how to draw anime books I bought in high school not knowing how bad they are, hahah I own like 6-7 of them I think.

you make a good point I need to get more discipline to be honest, but its something i'm working towards. I need to constantly drawing until it becomes like breathing.

>>3732041
i couldn't tell devil's candy was drawn by a westener from first glance in my honest opinion if i was in a book store i would think it came from japan.


manga is just the japanese word for comics, what makes a manga, a manga is not the place it comes from but the actaul style and way its drawn more than anything else.

>>3732051
pleb taste tbqh
checked it out and the style is sketchy and has that obnoxious imitated appearance

>>3732052
>the book "manga in theory and practice" by the creator of jojo
oh I forgot that one, it's good.
as far as actual drawing goes, most Japanese artists use their equivalent of Loomis/Hampton for construction. And a whole lot of reference books, they are actually a huge thing in manga that is never mentioned

Examples
https://soranews24.com/2017/02/14/new-japanese-reference-book-helps-artists-draw-lazy-characters/
https://otaku.com/products/24864

>>3732041
Name a single difference between manga and regular com...
> yellow master race
Ew, that was a close one.

>>3732061
and here I thought for the longest time mangaka drew everything 100% from their imaginations. I know it's good for you but I always feel so bad using reference like i'm a fake artists or a hack for doing it, is there any way to get over this feeling?


when it comes to using reference I feel like a kid who knows their vegetables are good for them but still doesn't want to eat them or that does it but doesn't enjoy it.

>>3732069
>is there any way to get over this feeling?
ars est celare artem
you will have to learn to cut corners and get things done, most mangakas straight up trace a lot of their backgrounds
it's very romantic to think you can do everything from imagination but the truth is that it won't come out as good and it will take a lot of time
this is just the reality of this field, if you want your work to be the product of pure skill then start learning the piano

>>3732074
is that so. now that i think about it i know yoshikadu straight up uses 3d models to layout his scenes and backgrounds sometimes, and own a bunch of those dolls, like he even has a life sized one just so he can see how certain clothes look on a human in 3d space.


looks like i have no other choice but to eat my reference vegtables if i want to make it.

>>3732051
weak bait

>>3732059
it looks very western and comicy tho, you guys must be trolling or shilling or some shit

>>3732085
>he even has a life sized one just so he can see how certain clothes look on a human in 3d space.
I'm pretty sure the live size one is for fucking

>>3732094
no it doesn't you're just really over think what the manga style is, to an autistic level.

>>3732103
ignore him, he's the troll

>>3732104
thanks anon I won't be stupid enough to fall for any more trolling from here on out

What a coincidence. I finished reading Bakuman yesterday.

>>3732108
I still need to read it it's been on my read list for a while, also did it motivate you to start making manga?

>>3732111
Not necessarily manga, but I was motivated to start drawing again after four years of doing pretty much nothing. It would be nice to make manga once I git gud though.

How many pages should be a one shot?

>>3732122
This is cute, post more

Post a page of this Devil's Candy.

>>3732128
weird that everyone in /co these days shill this webcomic so much not /ic too
did the author posts here or someshit

>>3732128
stop trolling, just google search it

>>3732085
>life sized ones
Wait really? Can you post some pics? I thought he just cosplayed himself for drapery refs

>>3732122
around 15-60 pages, 35 is a good number I find but do what you feel is best for you

>>3732065
1.Different page size: Comics are bigger.
2.Different deadlines: Mangaka have less time.
3.Different workflow: with comics there is a writer, an artist and a colorist, with manga there is the main mangaka, (writer + artist) and assistants for backgrounds and screentones.
4. Different reading direction: Japanese is vertical.

These things had an impact on how comics and manga are traditionally made. In manga there are tons of close-up, for example.

>>3732151
well i fit al fit all those boxes so i'm making manga

>>3732151
>Different deadlines: Mangaka have less time.
well where are my Berserk chapters then

how can I make this face look more anime?

>>3732174

>>3732179
is this better?

>>3731981
>>3731978
I'd argue that the anime is the true version, all the more so if you compare it to the story. They were asked to potentially ruin the story of Reversi in order to have it line up with the anime and they didn't want to do that because the padding would be obvious. Having Nanamini return as the badguy with a beefed up version of his online idea sourcing was clearly filler. It seems no surprise that the anime and manga end around the same time and that this was a point of contention in the story itself.

>>3732181
I don't know what kind of anime style you're going for and your rough drawing is so vague I wouldn't know what to say.

Just clean it up and ink it. Why do you need to make it 'anime' anyway? It doesn't make sense, you're going to draw according to your tastes anyway

>>3732181
Line economy. Use as little lines as possible. Don't do the full contour of every form. Watch your line weight too, don't be too hard on the pen.
Don't do chicken scratches, also.

>>3732132
I think the shading kinda makes it possible to see it's western. Also are that girl's hands supposed to be huge?

here is what i have got so far it's still a wip though and i want to try and get it to look more anime/manga.

>>3732206
I was going for something a little to my hero academia inspired but not directly ripping it off but i failed, as I want to make a one shot manga with a tomboy main character (sort of like a shonen manga but with a female main character).

i want it to be anime because i like the anime visual style more so than the western comic style also its a lot more popular.


i know i messed up the face pretty bad and i need to do something to fix it because it vaguely looks like anime but not really, i don't know what i'm doing wrong.


>>3732209
i'm using a Wacom intous so it's kind of hard to get good line economy when it's not a screen tablet or line weight, i can do it as my initial sketch had few lines but then i chicken scretched over it to get more control as you can't really ever get lines to look exactly as you want when it's not a screen tablet as you have to do a lot of guess work for your pen placement and a lot of ctrl + z. but i'll take line economy and line weight deep into consideration for my final line art and i will also turn up my pen sensitivity and try not to press as hard.

thanks for the advice

>>3732243
i thought i got the proportions right but now looking at it i think i messed them up i'm going to have to fix that, her legs now look to big to me and her body looks to short now.

>>3732151
>>3732041
lmao even your nip masters sick of you weaboofag

>>3731964
Bakuman ironically was a big motivator when I was in middle school...10? years ago.

Just call it comic you weab.

>>3732259
nah. i never grew up on reading western comics so it feels unnatural to call it that when i'm aiming for a manga style

>>3732035
All the manben videos got deleted recently

i think i fixed the thing of her feeling short i need to still now i just need to fix the face to actually look more like manga, make the legs look better, make the clothing look better especially the shirt and male it look less flat, and also add hair.

>>3732278
>>3732243
Horikoshi is amazing at drawing, you can't match that style without matching the gains

>>3732291
what do you mean by gains?
also i agree he is so good and cool

>>3732295
He's GOOD. You need to be really good to copy that style. He draws really good hands and just about everything
Just focus on making a good drawing before you worry about style

>>3732296
i don't just want to copy that style but i do want to get as good as horikoshi. so i will take your advice on board and focus on making my drawings good over style.

>>3732270
i should have saved the episodes when i had the chance

>>3732305
That's the spirit. Have a cute frog.

>>3732312
>>3732270
They still exist if you know where to look, be a bit more savvy.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4vf4lf

>>3732318
thank you i will cherish this cute frog *tucks cute frog into t-shirt pocket*

I can't get this to look good or like anime as I want it to , it's really frustrating. but i'm to committed to it to start over all I can do is make edits and keep trying to fix it to look like anime

Would anyone here be interested in having a escapechat room?.
(kind of like tiny cht)

>>3733458
what is escapechat?

>>3732122
Most one-shots are about 14 to 28 pages long.

Anyone else here also goes on PixivSketch to see actual japanese artists working live and try to learn something?

There are many western tutorials on how to manga, but the majority of them don't look quite like manga / look like out of 2004.
So I usually try to avoid.

>>3733466
yeah I do, I also watch yoshikadu stream

>>3733466
Man I wanna see Asanagi's stream. And also Ooyari Ashito. I always missed them

>>3733464
Video chatroom kind of thingy. Kinda shitty, but I have the chance to create a room so there's that.
Now that I think of it, it's a terrible idea since the resolution suck for this kind of thing (drawing)

Maybe an appear in room?"

>>3733472
I think a video chat room would be cool it can be placed in the op of every new making manga thread, if you set one up

>>3733472
>>3733458
>Flash in 2018
Damn how nostalgic
But why not just use Google Hangout?

>>3733480
that seems cool too, I mean whatever that let's us draw and chat would be cool I guess.

group/hxSbq2ZflQt92bUk1

>>3733486
yeah a shared server that allows us also to draw together in real time sounds awesome, is there a website for that?

Manga creators, what genres are you interested in making?

>>3733493
hangouts + com + that link I posted.

or appear . in if you want to keep anonymity.

>>3733495
>appear . in
Can you elaborate?

>>3733494
shonen mainly, and maybe a bit of weird comedy slice of life stuff about weird supernatural things happening to normal people as one shots.

>>3733495
Hopefully this is still up after i get home in a few hours. I wanna joiiiin

>>3733495
I want to join but I don't also get what you mean by "appear . in"

>>3733505
>>3733512
Pic related since posting it in text makes it think it's SPAMu.
Link is permanent too afaik

>>3733494
No idea to be honest, mostly shonen or seinen when it comes to non-adult manga.

>>3733466
Yes, I've already leaened a ton. All those western books are scam.

Don't use Hangouts, let's keep it anonymous.

>>3733519
>Up to 4 persons only
Isn't there something with no limit and also anonymous?

>>3733530
weird, i've seen bigger rooms.
I guess there's hangouts...

hangouts com/group/hxSbq2ZflQt92bUk1

>>3733530
Just make a throwaway e-mail

>>3732035
based af

I'm sorry for sharing the wrong link, i'm stoopid.

making manga is so hard I have been re drawing this one character over and over because i'm not happy with how they look

>>3733571
the only problem i have is starring at a blank page thinking of what the scene should look like

>>3733603
Same
Why don't we make a discord specifically for manga aspiring artist's? We could share tips and tricks, post good panel flows and layout that we encounter, refs and such.
The ones we have now are mostly about single illustration and drawing in general.

>>3732230
She is basically Frankenstein's Monster made out of parts of dead bodies. So yes, her hands kind of don't belong with the other body parts.

>>3733644
seems fair, here's the link
discord .gg/expE7x

>>3732230
the only part that looks western shading is the bottom panel to me but that's it

>>3732041
Moebius has better art than most manga artists, even though i never read anything of him, just saw the pictures on /ic/. So i guess, even the best artists in Europe are lesser known than japs.

>>3731964
I'm just here to be impressed at that drawing. Holy shit. So this is the power of a professional artist.

hey guys,i´ve actually started to make a manga, and to post it online here in MangaDex: https://mangadex.org/title/28597/b-a-t-broken-angel-theory, i would really like for you guys to read the available chapters and tell me what you think, FYI: thinks start to make sense after chapter 2,im saying that because some people just read the first one and say they didn´t get it,which is lazy of them because nearly no manga makes sense from the start, THX

>>3733761
I thought mangadex doesn't allow untranslated/raw comics?

>>3732111
>>3732108
check out the autobiographical manga kakukaku shikajika is very inspiring as well, here's a link
https://hachimitsu-scans.blogspot..
com/p/kakukaku-shikajika.html

>>3733733
moebius actually worked on a manga with jiro taniguchi

>>3733494
Fantasy adventure mostly

>>3733603
This is the biggest hurdle

actually im brazilian,its translated from portuguese

>>3733772
i doubt they intended to have english comics posted. their rules focus on whether or not a work is officially published, because if it is licensed by a publisher and you're dumping raws it might cause problems for them, and their rules also focus on whether or not what you're posting is a manga/manhua/comic/webcomic. though if your work is good enough someone else would likely post it even if you didn't.

>>3733761
primeira pagina ta uma bosta nem vale a pena ler o resto

tfw ywn have a successful webcomic...

>>3731964
Are there any how-to-draw manga books from the 70's or 80's?
All I've seen are single pages like pic related and some animation books, but I'm looking for an actual full how-to-draw book from the time.

>>3732270
I'll keep the ones I DL'd then

>>3732035
>Akira Toriyama made a little fun comic about manga but it's only in Italian and French IIRC
My brother reads French if you've got it...

>>3734176

2/2

In spite of terrible art, do these pages strike any interest?

>>3734361
No

>>3733466
I fucking love Asanagi's streams.

>>3734310
Hi! Sorry I've been busy with Christmas stuff
I can't seem to find a download link, the French title is "L'Apprenti mangaka"

anybody actually draws manga here ? how do you go about the story writing and storyboard ? Do you go straight into sketching the pages, do you write a basic scenario ? I struggle with this kind of stuff and I'm not sure how I should study it

>>3734562
Join the manga discord group and learn with us

>>3731964
What tools do comic artists and mangaka use to create darker tones?

>>3734632
Is it with screen tones?

>>3734632
tones are digital. everything else is just ink.

>>3732161
Law of diminishing deadline consistency
Once a mangaka makes it they are more prone to hiatus.

>>3731981
It's a very boring read anyway

>>3733494
Man, I want to draw a post-apocalyptic manga but I don't think I'll have a lot of fans.

>>3734562
This is probably not a very good example, but this was what I can find right away with the right stages.

Consider doing a storyboard. It doesn't have to be elaborate, just the dialogues, panel lay outs and stick figures that approximate where the figure will occupy the space in the scene.

Its always easier to modify or edit something than to put everything in its final form from the get go. Lay out everything simply, don't try to draw finish figure on a empty page. Once you get a basic storyboard its easier to come up with edits or improvement from that point.

>>3735347
>tfw we'll might not get an ending to Vagabond
It hurts

Why use dip pens instead of fountain pens? Aren't there g-pens and the other nibs compatible with them?

>>3736543
cute, where can i find the rest of it?

>>3738968
Dip pen ink is waterproof. There is waterproof fp ink but it's expensive. Dip pens have much better line variety, they're just better for drawing. A g-nib has more flexibility than a 250€ gold nib fp.

>>3731964
I'd love to make manga. But how do you overcome that strong feeling of wanting to die?

>>3731964
>have great idea for story characters ect
>no drawing skill
>learning at a snails pace

just fuck my shit up senpai

>>3738968
a dip pen holder is cheap, the nibs are cheap, and india ink is cheap. all of them are very easily available too. with a combination of nibs you can achieve a large variety of line weights. a g pen is far more flexible than most dip pens you can buy until you get very expensive. it's common to switch out nibs in dip pens during inking but not fountain pens. maru, gpen, school, spoon, japanese nib, it's common to use several depending on the artist and the lines they want. you do not want to use india ink in a fountain pen as it is generally harsh to the internals and will likely clog. the nibs from dip pens aren't meant to be used in fountain pens either.
https://www.jetpens.com/blog/the-best-nibs-for-drawing-manga/pt/893

>>3739029
>There is waterproof fp ink but it's expensive.
no it's not. i do watercolor over my fountain pens and noodlers. a bottle of noodlers will last ages.

>>3739049
You could always be the next one anon

>>3739049
find someone to draw for you

>>3739075
nah I wouldn't bug somebody about that. hopefully I can get my shit together and get decent.

my story was going to be about a guy who ran a monster girl gym

>>3739049
just learn while drawing. this comic i'm working on is a (painful) learning experience

>>3738831
we will never do, the man retired

>>3739106
is.. is that a stomach bulge from a dick?

>>3739117
pwease fowgive me anon it's a vewy wough sketch

>>3739106
why are you using that template? Is it more useful than CSP's default one?

>>3739150
oh not nocking the art. I just was never into the stomach bulge stuff

>>3739153
im using photoshop + a template i've scanned in. i SHOULD use csp, but i've used ps for so long that it's just what i prefer. i'll make the switch- someday.

>>3739159
i prefer a more subtle version of bulge myself. the thumbnail is a little (a lot) exaggerated

>>3739169
>>3739159
sort of related but cuckquean is big brain fetish

>>3739173

sort of related but how do you write diologue for different characters? I don't want my dialogue to sound like its the same person if that makes sense

>>3739084
Monster girls are the future.

>>3738994
Its rococo on smackjeeves.

>>3739183
Different people speaks differently. They might have preference in certain vocabularies or sentence structures, depending on their experiences. The advantage we have over the character themselves is that we can take our time to work out these things, its not just spurr of the moment.

For example, a character might be someone who doesn't like to express themselves in words, so they might choose simplest answer to specific questions, like yes, no, I don't know. Another character might very knowledgeable they were question about, might provide informative answers. Another character might not be knowledgeable, but still want to make themselves looks smart, they might try to bullshit or use a lot of filler words, like, "uhh". "well", "so like", etc. These are all extra miles you can put some work into if you want to flush out your characters. Once you get into writing different characters, you might not need to plan it out.

I just realized you can draw vector layers in Clip Studio but i don't really understand what would you benefit from it. Is there any sense on drawing comics on vector?

>>3739321
idk like maybe watch any of the vector feature demos on the official channel or look at the website/manual's features? why do people ask before looking up anything that's so easily searchable

https://youtu.be/tsyNOEaML_I

Maybe a silly question, but how do you make Speedball ink thinner without making it gray/transparent?

>>3739509
very few drops of water and shaking it

what kind of self respecting artist not of japanese descent say they make manga

>>3739049
don't try to be like others
don't learn to draw like someone else, rather learn different ways to draw
in time you will figure out a style that works for you and your idea and people will inevitably appreciate the honesty in your work

>>3739049
This is literally what everyone thinks.
Hate to be a cunt, but acknowledging this and coming to terms with the fact that you're not anything special until you can put said ideas into practice is the first step to becoming something.
Pull those earphones out, stop daydreaming about your fucking OC world and just draw.
Those who just stick to daydreaming and never actually make a start are the first to go in the natural selection process of the art world.

Could someone repost that discord link the original has expired

>>3739291
thanks mate, followed.
on a different note, are the ads that appear yours or smackjeeves? i wouldnt mind hosting comics on there if i could place my own ads.

if the ads aren't yours, you should try putting your comic on tapastic or your own website for some extra cash

>>3732041
stop perpetuating japaneseness you orientalist fuck

>>3739516
It's just a word that describes something specific, like hikikomori which is more specific than "shut-in"

>>3734632
It's that paper you can stick on your drawings and then use a knife to cut away the parts for light. It's easy to use, ensures consistent quality and you don't have to outline shadows.

Or that's what screen tones are called and i just made a redundant comment.

>>3739887
Those are screen tones

>>3732052
>>3732061
Araki's "Manga in Theory and Practice" really only teaches you the rudiments of shonen story structure, which to any up and coming comics scriptwriter isn't very complicated at all. I was left thinking the book was more autobiographical than genuine resource. If there's anything to take from it, y'all definitely ought to be looking up the scripts from your favorite films and tv shows. Take from example.
>>3734562
Script-writing + storyboarding have usually been separate processes in the western comics industry but that hasn't always been the case. Scriptwriters may sketch out a rough outline of what they want for the artist to replicate, or they don't and merely describe the scene and let the artist interpret. What matters is whether or not you have a clear enough vision and the capacity to articulate it.

I feel like the image of the artist-author gets paraded a lot more in the manga industry than in its western counterpart; which may explain why we never see manga scripts actually getting published. The scriptwriting + storyboarding process comes across as this blurry mess; what penciling shown in Araki's book for example was just laughably scarce.

If you're interested in western examples of scriptwriting and storyboarding you should definitely check out these:

>https://www.amazon.com/dp/0971633800/
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/0770434355/
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/0785127941/
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/0823010279/

>>3733656
link's expired

>>3739845
I did not place any ads on that page, they are from the host.

I don't remember if they have an ads program or not but I think it does require a paid account to place your own.

I didn't think ads were something I needed to consider because my readership is very small, I think its less than 100 hit on average /week.

The problem is that I have irregular update schedules, and had just came off an year long hiatus. I had been working on things in this project but it was never finished enough for me to post.

>>3739558
link to discord thread
https://discord.gg/9GZ3bpV
this one should be permanent

>>3731978
Aoi Honoo live action is way better

>>3739291
>>3740245
That bunny has the best hairstyle.

>>3731964
Everyone please report, sage and hide the thread. Don't fall for the OP nazifag spamposter's bait gaslighting threads, get him banned again.

>>3740598
wrong thread mate

>>3732041
Ilya exists so your gay little theory is btfo

>>3733780
Moebius was so fucked in the head, his stuff is like a combination of surrealism and anime. Confirmed clever boy.

>>3740839
Have you read Ilya's manga? It's not very good.

He can draw good pinups/portraits of cute anime gitls, but that's it. His art skills in every other category are totally lacking, and there's a lot to be said about his general lack of skills as a mangaka as well.

He's not a good example.

have any new books about drawing manga been translated or made in the last few years?
i'm not talking about drawing, but making manga specifically. comicking is fine too.

send halp. i'll take articles or snippets too..