/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3721047
don't you get professional critique?

>>3721048
Yes... if you pay extra.

>>3721048
You need to pay extra for that. If you only pay the $100 fee a month you only get the videos

New Masters Academy just added Russian Academic Drawing Method which I believe is comparative measurement drawing, probably really good for a beginner and similar to Watts.

>>3721047
>join NMA
>35$ per month
>cyber monday sell off for 11$ per month
>buy one month
>rip all the vids to your disk
>???
>profit
for the head Steve huston courses are pretty nice
and they did have Reily method courses for face and body too

>>3721062
Hey, what program do you rip the videos with?

>>3721047
Except that you can get it for free on CGPeers.

>>3721078
turn out the meat heads at NMA didn't use the same method to block download video method in FUCKING mobile device
use can use agent switcher plugin to turn your browser to mobile and then just right click

>>3721082
on chrome BTW

>>3721047
That's only phase one of the head. If you follow the course it's well worth the money. There's a reason why it's one of the best schools.

>>3721083
Fuckin a. Thanks anon.

>>3721079
>check Watts Atelier program CGpeer
>295.6GB
Wow feel kinda bad for them now
all those hard work

>>3721047
Proko is crap.

Watts is fine if you're paying for the feedback and live weekly sessions. The videos rips off cgpeers isn't going to get you anywhere because all you have are initial lessons you Brainlet. The same for pretty much any online classes you rip, it's all useless because you will run into many frustrations that could be answered by the teacher.

>>3721152

And if you pay for them they magically become useful? Hahahahaha sincerely fuck off Jeff

>>3721152
I suppose books are useless too? Basically any education Is useless if you don't have someone holding your hand the entire time?

>>3721152
lmao

>>3721047
>Sumarize Watts Atelier Head Phase 1 and 2.
sound like a solid plan for newbies fundamental you still have phase 3,4 for feature and shadow
but yeah 100 bucks is a wee bit overprice for just a month of videos
but hey people are paying for them and they are happy in the end so the site won't lower the cost

>>3721171
Books are useless. Books are supplemental income or passive income for teachers. Taste teasers for their course material taught live. Books only serve to spread one's gospel.

>>3721163
If you pay you magically get your questions answered yes. Be less retarded next time.

>>3721230
>not having the mental capacity to come up with your own solutions
Yikes. People like you don't make it.

>>3721047
>loomis
I’m pretty sure Watts teaches Reilly

>>3721232
>justifying you being poor

Yikes. I bet your "solutions" is to just avoid the problems that good you back.

>>3721238
Hold* you back

All these BLACK people

>>3721047
>He tries you to buy models of the skull, an azaro, from the azaro head guy but you can find 3d models for free on the internet.
>3d model vs real model
crab thread

>>3721334
what you trying to say here

>>3721047
what did you expect? I swear you guys are like children who buy lunchboxes just because it has hulk hogans face on it.

>"I want to draw the head"
>I can teach you how to draw the head
>step one draw the head
>*draws the head*
>that's it
>"grr wasted my monie"

>>3721380
So basically... draw the rest of the fucking owl. Lol. What a scam.

>>3721455
Indeed. He doesn't even explain how to draw line!

>>3721380
You skipped drawing fundamentals

>>3721466
fundamentals are for crabs

>>3721058
more info plz

>>3721380
I want a Hulk Hogan lunchbox ffs

>>3721624
Russian style fundie or so they said
with heavily measurement
6 part for now
you can check the description for more detail
https://www.nma.art/videolessons/#page-1

OP is not entirely wrong.

Got the torrents off cgpeers and going through Head Phase I now. Jeff's rambling has nothing to do with the lesson and what he's drawing 99% of the time (you can tell he's kinda insecure despite his accomplishments as a professional artist, made me feel a bit sad for him). The videos are useful for seeing the intermediary steps in drawing though: thing like realizing that you start an Asaro head with what's essentially a Loomis lay-in really helped me, as stupid as that sounds.

>>3721706
>(you can tell he's kinda insecure despite his accomplishments as a professional artist, made me feel a bit sad for him)
Why are Atelier owners like this? I've met a few and even attended one, and every single one of those motherfuckers is an insecure, passive asshole.

>>3721232
why do you even need a course then?

just figure all out dummy, life is all around you

christ

>>3721369
you can't use depth perception provided by a binocular vison using software

you need real models to realy learn space

>>3721145
>all those hard work
Several hours of that is just Jeff reclining on his antique leather chair while he quotes from the Art Spirit, his eyes glistening as he slowly dabs them with his imported red velvet handkerchief. Another solid chunk of content is the "How to hold your pencil like a late 18th century Parisian dandy" video series

>>3721732
I don't need a course though. You're unironically correct. If you can't look at life and figure out how to draw it, you're probably just not very intelligent.

>>3721710
He's deffenitley not insecure, he seems very down to earth and just wants to pass on everything he's learned to other artists. Talk about his ramblings but I like them a lot, I find a lot of the philosophy he talks is interesting and he's good at keeping you motivated and shows that even masters arnt perfect and are also fixing lines and other mistakes too. Hes been teaching for over 25 years and the artists that come out of his school are phenomenal.

>>3721671
Watching the first 2 videos god damn how many times did they have to cut/edit this guy talking? So many awkward takes.

>>3722068
I can't. Does this guy have some kind of medical condition? Is this a joke?

>>3722072
He stutters so much I can't breathe ahhaha

>>3721706
>Jeff's rambling has nothing to do with the lesson
Jeff's ramblings have more insight than everything in /ic/.
I glad /ic/ degenerates can't even understand what he talking about. I pretty sure Proko interview with Steve Huston is hard to swallow for most of degenerates ITT.

>>3722095
>Proko interview with Steve Huston is hard to swallow for most of degenerates ITT.
What in particular?

>>3722095
This. Jeff Watts’ rambling is GOOD, redarts!

>>3722075
well maybe he is not good at english and have to struggle to find the right word to express himself

>>3722257
doubt it

>>3722095
>>3722113

Jeff's pep talks might be useful for young teens or fuck-ups who toke all day in their parents' basements. If you've got your shit reasonably together like any normal person, he's costing you $$$ to tell you obvious things about life that you know already, in a condescending (but sincere) way at that.

It's pretty arrogant to style himself as some kind of life coach/philosophical guru, dispensing unsolicited, self-evident "advice", when people are paying him for drawing instruction, because, you know, that's what he does for a living. It actually would be ok if he talked about the lesson mostly and rambles a bit, but he does the inverse.

Still, no doubt he has the drawing/painting chops, so his shit it totally worth pirating. The lack of crit means you have to think for yourself, which shouldn't be an issue unless you have room temp IQ or are an absolute novice at drawing.

>>3722072
>>3722075
>>3722260

Wasteful posts

This guy might have a stutter but he's a top artist enough to be tolerated as an instructor despite his disability and he is bilingual, besides. You can't even make it through a 20 minute lecture, let alone live like that. Soft-ass nigga, this is why you're not going to ma-m-m-ma-ma-m-m-m-make it, faggot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eijn0U0sY0U

>>3722358
If Jeff were to say more about what he’s doing than he does now and less what he’s thinking it would be totally fucking redundant. Would you find someone explaining every centimeter of line they’re making engaging? Maybe if you’re some kind of autistic faggot

>>3722358
>Jeff's pep talks might be useful for young teens or fuck-ups who toke all day in their parents' basements.
>If you've got your shit reasonably together like any normal person, he's costing you $$$ to tell you obvious things about life
>The lack of crit means you have to think for yourself
Crab spotted.
He literally talks about art and how to git good. It has nothing to do with "obvious things about life". But if you think this is "obvious things about life" than why do you even need guide to learn how to draw? It is pretty obvious. Learning how to draw is most obvious things about life.
Be honest you're just a crab who searching for easy solution, for shortcuts, for secrets. NGMI bro

>>3723417
/beg detected.

>>3722358
He gets you in the mood to do art, he's explained his techniques and showed you how to do them in the drawing fundamentals, why would he keep repeating this information if you can go back to it or should already know it. If you can't follow what he's doing when he draws then that's your fault.

Honestly, reading Aristides' books are more helpful to learn Atelier methods. Much cheaper, too.

>>3723522
>Much cheaper, too.
that what torrent is for anon

>>3723604
oh ye :o

ah well, they're nice comfy books to hold and the art is nice in them on paper :D

>>3721145
That's why you just download the workbooks and save the space. Once you've gone through the fundamentals and maybe Head Phase 1 you know exactly what the demos are and don't need the videos for drawing. Painting was so god damn boring too and forget even bothering to learn the figure from him. Masterclasses are sorta ok.

>>3724065
How are his figure drawing lessons?

>>3724087
Try them if you want. I didn't get much out of them. I got more out of watching his youtube demos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIfGlkyOR38#t=4m51s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKfsZaNrmzM&t=11m50s

two good demos in the first and then he picks up a pencil at that timestamp there. if you're not getting feedback it's really not worth it.