/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3719610
who the hell is jimmy?

>>3719610
Jimmy can't hear you over the sounds of micro dosing LSD and being "productive"

>>3719610
classic seamus. ear is goofed tho.
>>3719612
some faget probably
>>3719613
all out of lsd. and probably been more productive than u today my dood

>>3719610
He's probably too busy doing drugs and sniffing his paint varnish.

>>3719610
Just upvoted - I'm doing my part.

Same shit happened with his shitty Elom Musk painting. His absolutely flopped while someone else's better version of the same thing got all the attention. Get fucked, Jimmy.

>>3719617
>ear is goofed
You can’t even critique well.

>>3719610
how does this get so many upvotes on plebbit lol
that "art" sub is such a shithole

also hide thread

>>3719634
Photocopiers literally can't tell when to remove or add elements, because they don't know how to and can only strictly copy photos. How fucking sad is that?

>>3719639
Yes. Having a large internet fan base and the ability to make a living off your work is incredibly sad. Retard. Keep coping.

>>3719643
nah it's actually pretty sad desu. sounds like a prison

>>3720536
Lmao keep telling yourself that copelet

>>3719610
Jesus fuck, Reddit is such a shithole.

>>3720547
Tbh it teaches you an important and very real lesson about appeal in art. Content>Quality. I’ve seen lots of funny memey shit get tons of views even though the art was just so so. It made people chuckle so they’ll remember it and give it an upboat whereas the well rendered space marine is nice to look at but doesn’t leave a lasting impression on anyone. Or similarly with sexual art, I’ve seen meh tier art with ass or titties get lots of views while a really good landscape for example barely gets any. It’s not exactly fair and pretty sad but that’s just how mainstream appeal functions imo, not just on reddit but on pretty much every social media site.

>>3720546
>xerox machine for X years
>burnout
>no other avenues because all you can do is grids and shit
unironically sounds like hell on earth. imagine the looming anxiety knowing that your appeal will fade over time and that you have limited styles to transition into at a commissionable level. this is why suicide is a thing

>>3720576
>no other avenues because all you can do is grids and shit
thats jimmy, the dude in OP is clearly not using any
>appeal will fade over time and that you have limited styles to transition into at a commissionable level
are you actually retarded? he might not be able to draw from imagination but who cares? he can do anything he wants with a portrait, his style options are endless

>>3720576
>no other avenues because all you can do is grids and shit
hey lookit I drew me as gollum as Saturn last night.
>unironically sounds like hell on earth.
being productive? whatever you gotta tell yourself you lazy so-and-so.
>imagine the looming anxiety knowing that your appeal will fade over time
why would you need to imagine this? This applies to literally everyone and everything. Time is entropy.
>and that you have limited styles to transition into at a commissionable level.
I almost certainly am better at more painting styles and approaches that you will ever have experience with. How are you not projecting right meow?
>this is why suicide is a thing
This whole post seems like you just looking for justification to kill yourself.
>>3720620
>thats jimmy, the dude in OP is clearly not using any
I'd guarantee that's a grid. Essentially every painter uses grids. Le gridding=bad maymay is only really a thing among /beg/ tier drawfags with no frame of reference.

>>3720576
>burning out
Quit art now. ngmi

>it's another lets jerk around some faggot on /ic/ thread
MAKE IT STOP AHHHHHH

>>3720760
lol thinking professional painters use grids and not actual projectors. You got a lot of learning to do. Grids are what adults tell children to use to convince them they aren't cheating. Meanwhile pros are literally tracing.

>>3720767
>lol thinking professional painters use grids and not actual projectors
projectors are a hassle versus you use a ruler to make a grid. Why would you use a projector for a 16x12?
>You got a lot of learning to do
No shit. I get into projection next year.
>Grids are what adults tell children to use to convince them they aren't cheating.
Except all you children reeee endlessly about grids. None of you have any experience with them.
>Meanwhile pros are literally tracing.
Egg sackly.

>>3720774
Unfortunately you have no native skill so tracing and gridding doesn't help you at all. For good artists, though, its an excellent tool.

>>3720774
Your fundamentals are really bad :\

>>3720775
>Unfortunately you have no native skill
better than you lmao
>so tracing and gridding doesn't help you at all.
course it does. It'd even help a do-nothing like you!
>For good artists, though, its an excellent tool.
For all artists, it's a requisite tool. Not having experience in basic canvas transfer techniques is handicapping yourself.

>>3720776
>Your fundamentals are really bad :\
proof it nerd. I drew one animu drawing and the japs are trying to make me an honorary citizen meow.

>>3720779
I'm being serious. Your art would improve a lot if you actually spent some time improving your fundamentals instead of relying solely on transfer techniques.
All your art is very flat and lack contrast.
Some perspective (to improve depth) and gesture (to improve the stiffness of your pieces) studying and grinding, would mean a huge difference.

>>3720783
lacks*
and
would make*

>>3720783
>Your art would improve a lot if you actually spent some time improving your fundamentals instead of relying solely on transfer techniques.
I'm posting hand drawings tho
>All your art is very flat and lack contrast.
eh thats generally attributable to the painting and color choices and lack of finishing anything more than a reflection of how the image got to canvas.
>Some perspective (to improve depth) and gesture (to improve the stiffness of your pieces) studying and grinding, would mean a huge difference.
wiiilll doo

>>3720774
The ,masters use a mixture of loomis, riley, and asaro along with their knowledge of anatomy and skull. You're just lazy

>>3720791
work way harder than you do my dude. I learned anatomy and figure drawing and "Loomis" in art magnet school when I was a kid. Learning how to use grids, graphite transfer, projection, etc are part of learning how to be a painter. If you weren't some lazy poindexter you'd be able to appreciate that but you're not going to make it.

>>3720795
All of your work says otherwise

>>3720790
>eh thats generally attributable to the painting and color choices and lack of finishing anything more than a reflection of how the image got to canvas.
That's what I said. You rely too much on transfer techniques instead of improving your fundamentals. If you did that, then your color choices would be better. Even a fast sketch can have a lot of depth. Not finishing something doesn't mean making a flawed artwork.

>>3720803
she said anonymously

>>3720795
lmao I've never seen a pro using a fucking grid when they paint a live model or plein air or portrait, or really anything my guy. Just because you can't draw efficiently without a grid doesn't mean other, actual good artists can't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIWAxeP-vss
This literal who on youtube paints better in 15 minutes what it would take you multiple days to accomplish with a grid. And that's sad.

>>3720795
Is this bait? I had a mighty chuckle

>>3720806
>That's what I said. You rely too much on transfer techniques instead of improving your fundamentals.
The whole point of doing grid and canvas transfer canvasses is that you DONT rely on transfer techniques and you're able to focus more on the painting process. Whether you trace, project, grid, or hand draw the image onto canvas doesn't really matter once things get wet.
>If you did that, then your color choices would be better.
Except a lot of the time the color choices are knowingly made "wrong." More often than not I'm taking a color that is already mixed on the palette and spreading it over a lot of canvasses and stuff. And then because I'm working on everything at once with no looming deadline they'll often sit with the wrong colors, undone, for days to years.
>Even a fast sketch can have a lot of depth.
sure.
>Not finishing something doesn't mean making a flawed artwork.
yeah it pretty much entirely does. Paintings generally look like shit for 90% of the time they're in production.
>>3720810
>lmao I've never seen a pro using a fucking grid when they paint a live model or plein air or portrait
Why would you use a grid for a figure drawing? And Van Gogh famously used a grid frame when he painted plein airs. Carried out an entire window frame with a string grid inside that he would look through and grid transfer to canvas.
>or really anything my guy.
You don't know many painters.
>Just because you can't draw efficiently without a grid doesn't mean other, actual good artists can't.
Never said it matters. The point is that grids make it so that anyone can make a painting! I've done a left-handed meme with a grid just to test that. There is this fallacy amount /beg/ virgins that you think art is entirely about circlejerking about your ability to hand draw basic shit. You look at everything with the childish baby argument of "my kid could make that!" In which the response is "well they should have."

>>3720810
>This literal who on youtube paints better in 15 minutes what it would take you multiple days to accomplish with a grid.
I like how you post a guy doing digital watercolor lol. I like how you're like "this guy can use a computer to do better what it takes you a ruler and paint to do!" Like that's an argument. Like how much of a /beg/ virgin are you?

Easy to not use grids when you can literally edit+undo everything you do my goob.
>>3720813
sexually?

>>3720823
lmao my guy. you're sad. here, have one of him working in real watercolor you gigantic, unskilled faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HX-SFS6gmI

>>3720823
>>3720836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HX-SFS6gmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5athmP4PxC0
More videos of people who don't suck so bad they have to resort to a grid LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wltLvLz8gI
Maybe in another 700 paintings you'll start approaching this level of skill.

>>3720823
might be cool to digitally paint your references to aid with the painting process though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r2AZOfXpB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=055vPr1uU1w
yikes. absolutely no grids my guy

>>3720818
you know, sickos' paintings can really be turned into something worthwhile .... kinda. just add some postmodern, semi-abstract spiel to it and blam, improved on exponentially.

Hey jimmy just so you know, picking someone's post apart piece by piece instead of of taking what they said as a whole is a sign of low verbal intelligence as well as immaturity

>>3720836
>lmao my guy. you're sad. here, have one of him working in real watercolor you gigantic, unskilled faggot.
Well the joke wasn't just that you posted someone working with a computer and a tablet, the fact that it's watercolor also speaks to your lack of any frame of reference when it comes to painting at all. There's a huge difference between watercolor and acrylic. The entire process is entirely different. Acrylic layering is a process of stacking lighter values on top of darker ones. One of the first steps in acrylic painting is to essentially cover up everything with gesso and primer colors.

Like the idea that you see a watercolor sketch on like a 5x3 card stock as the same thing as 12x16 or 24x20 acrylic painting speaks to the reality that you have no meaningful frame of reference with any of this shit.
>>3720842
and then here we got the same video and then a guy painting on charcoal. Are you saying that everyone that makes paintings has do do a charcoal underdrawing?

Like it's every thread with this shit. I've made like 320 paintings in 2 years. I've done around 40 paintings that were hand drawn to canvas. That's around 40 more paintings than (you). Pict related is a 20x24 hand drawn meme. Do I need to spam all the other paintings that were drawn to canvas or free painted?

>>3720857
I always think of the monster ultra boomer meme whenever I see your posts.

How old are you anyway, jim?

>>3720849
>absolutely no grids my guy
you can't really demonize grids like that. it's simply that hobby, amateur artists and all kinds of entrylevel Johns and Jessicas can be taught to use a grid and transfer a photo onto a canvas and that's what's making most artists suspicious of grids as a tool.

Chuck Close uses grids, Italian artists have used grids in the process of learning and Van Gogh as well. the tool is not the problem. a skilled artist can produce a great drawing with a sharpie or wax crayons for kids. give a photographer a shitty flip phone with a 600x800px camera and he will still manage to produce interesting pictures, given the chance to work with it. Picasso once drew a doodle on a napkin and was asked about the price. he would charge a normal price. "but it's only a quick sketch on a napkin!" - and he answered: "yes, and it took me over twenty years to get there."

grids make sense when you want to get the proportions spot on without any distortions. don't let silly jimmy get dirt on a legit art technique. he obviously has no sense for reality, even though he was told a million times that he needs to work on his understanding of form, fundamental skills and anatomy.

>>3719639
>Photocopiers
have you ever made anything thats not a copy from a picture desu

>>3720862
>anything thats not a copy from a picture
impossible! heresy! unthinkable!

>>3720861
i'm not demonizing them. my post here: >>3720775 echoes your sentiment exactly. i'm just busting his oft perpetuated myth that "REAL ARTISTS" use grids because of reasons, when that is absolutely untrue.

>>3720846
yeah I've thought about that. Or like when it comes to selling prints, I can digitally paint on top of scans and spearmint with adding glitch effects and other digital editing memes. Like pict related is one of the fappening leaks, and I've always pictured doing some kind of glitch corruption effect going up from the subject out of the frame. Like showering up into the intranettes or whatever.

I've also painted on pictures of paintings in photoshop a few times to try out what different things would look like so I don't just try them on the canvas and get fucked. But that feels like cheating to me. It's a violation of muh wabi sabi bruh principles.
>>3720850
I LIKE this. There are a bunch of paintings that I'm planning on just continuously stacking layers and building into chaos over the next 6 years. I forgot who it was but there was an artist exhibited at the Van Gogh museum whose painting was like 2 inches deep from all the paint that had been stacked onto the canvas.

>>3720867
>I LIKE this.
well, it seems like you can't do it.

>>3720866
>>3720775
true dat

>>3720852
>Hey jimmy just so you know, picking someone's post apart piece by piece
pfft I don't doo that
>instead of of taking what they said as a whole is a sign of low verbal intelligence as well as immaturity
pfft says u mayb
>>3720860
i exist outside of the bounds of thyme and space
>>3720861
>even though he was told a million times that he needs to work on his understanding of form, fundamental skills and anatomy
ok but then go on.
>>3720866
> i'm just busting his oft perpetuated myth that "REAL ARTISTS" use grids
Yeah essentially of all le old masters, everything that lead to and was part of the realism movement, and continuing as a tradition amongst painters and portraitists that were more concerned with starting with exact proportions than circlejerking about their ability to hand draw on canvas. If you want to learn how to be a portraitist that would be appealing to people to sell commissions, grid technique and graphite transfer are fundamental tools of the trade. If someone wants you to make a painting of their loved one or a celebrity they like, they don't care about you flexing about (and often fucking up) your ability to hand draw the image, and when it comes to the added possible labor time, they'd probably rather pay for a grid transfer just because it'd be cheaper and more predictably proportionate.

You being able to cite some youtubers that are going out of their way to tryhard a painting for views isn't an argument. There are thousands of painters doing commissions using grids every day. The fact that you don't understand this is what makes you such a doofball knownothing memester. Eat poops ya goobus.

>>3720869
>well, it seems like you can't do it.
It's actually something i've been considering doing on pict related. Which is the left handed meme. idk if I can't do it because I've never tried. Not that I think anyone could necessarily do the same thing with paint as a computer algorithm can do with an image of paint. And I wouldn't really do what that shit is doing since it's just randomized nonsense. But the idea of really gooping on paint and pushing it around wet and having a crazy amount of texture built onto it is something I'm working towards.

>>3720879
Lmao you are so pathetic. You can’t accept that people are effortlessly painting circles around your dumb ass so you have to denigrate them by calling them tryhards. Maybe if you actually tried hard you wouldn’t be so gut wrenchingly awful my guy. Your attempt at gate keeping to keep your mental narrative spinning that you aren’t completely awful in every way is literally psycho. Get help bruh.

>>3720882
>Lmao you are so pathetic.
“Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves”
>You can’t accept that people are effortlessly painting circles around your dumb ass
Why would I care? There's always people better. Who gives a shit? Is that why you're so bitter? You use the existence of people better than you to justify why you don't do anything?
>so you have to denigrate them by calling them tryhards.
You're super tryhard.
> Maybe if you actually tried hard you wouldn’t be so gut wrenchingly awful my guy.
Maybe if you tried at all you wouldn't be so buttflustered by me.
>Your attempt at gate keeping
I'm not the one attacking someone because they're currently doing grid transfer paintings. You're propping up REAL painters on youtube that don't use grids and whatever. This is literally gatekeeping. You built the gate around grids doingus.
>to keep your mental narrative spinning
I'm just responding to (you)s. What have you produced this week?
>that you aren’t completely awful in every way
Well A: I guess I can always take solice in knowing that I'm better than you'll ever be. proof me wrong lol.
And B: Who cares? I try new stuff constantly. always challenging myself and putting in actual work to improve and learn. Like do you expect that people are just good at stuff? How inexperienced are you?
>Get help bruh.
Again this seems like something you're saying to yourself at me. Why are you so mad that someone is more productive than you? Why not just quit being so lazy and reactionary?

>>3720760
>I'd guarantee that's a grid. Essentially every painter uses grids.
do you really think thats a grid? holy shit you are worse then I imagine. Not everyone is awful at drawing from sight like you are. Keep being in denial friend

>>3720882
these days, science is able to simulate the movement of a worm (openworm.org). makes me wonder how easy it would be to write a "Jimmy":

· grab meme and celebrity pics from the web, based on odd grimaces
· use grid and paint by numbers
· write down a set of silly rules
· badly copy Tim & Eric infomercial concepts
· label it "movie production", "tv episode", "script" like it was a big boy business
· post your paintings on a board for concept art and anime
and here, we apply a set of simple rules:

if -
get attacked for bad art skills, lack of fundamentals, no improvement
run script "pyw"
>"oh yeah? what have you done today, bozzo?"
>"post your work!"
>"I'm doing it badly, because it's bart of de goncept."
>"you are all haters and you well gid gancer tbqhwyfhtok xylopasd."
>"

if -
get called out to point out where "wabi sabi" or "entropy" is in the paintings
run script "shnabi wasabi"
>"you refuse to see it!"
>"drugs are cool! you don't microdose, you can't relate."
>"you are all antagonistic bastards is all!"

if -
no more responses
do
>bump your own thread with progress that shows how a painting slowly gets worse and worse
>post youtube links to "cool stuff"
>basically use /ic/ as your personal blog, until people get upset and respond again
or
>shitpost across multiple other threads, always including badly photographed meme shit in full resolution, despite the sticky clearly saying you should downsize your upload pics reasonably.

>>3720766

DO YOU REMEMBER ME. i made such good critiques

>>3720897
>What have you produced this week?
quantity beats quality, huh?
makes sense, Jimbo. it all makes sense now.

>>3720909
unfortunately people keep responding

>>3720903
>do you really think thats a grid?
the OP? yeah probably. could even be a graphite transfer to get the bottle details right. It's pretty much an exact proportional recreation of the image. Even the thin-looking fingers in the op make sense when you look at the source image. You can kind of see where they probably drew the line and then in the process of painting it got a bit trimmed in.

I guess the eyes in the OP are a little wonky though. One is lower than it should be. So I guess that's a point for hand drawn.

What exactly makes you think it isn't a grid or canvas transfer?
>Not everyone is awful at drawing from sight like you are.
I'm not terrible. The OP looks a LOT like it was at least a grid though. Most of his do. And I'm pretty sure he's working on stretched canvas, so the idea that he was just freehanding on a blank canvas the exact proportional details and stuff without at least a grid for no real reason seems absurd.

>>3720914
>quantity beats quality, huh?
ANYTHING beats nothing m80.
>makes sense, Jimbo
makes scents
>>3720909
>makes me wonder how easy it would be to write a "Jimmy":
yes do it I'll send you the spreadsheets
And yeah I see it more as a predictive text keyword response generator. I started researching the idea and working on responses to keywords and stuff back in august, but then when it came to having to learn how to code I started painting memes again.
>>3720915
The secret is that they're often saying things anonymously to themselves while staring into a black mirror.

>>3720916
You arent good at all thou. Your lines speak for themselves. You just lesrned to live with your beg tier sketching, is the difference.

And while I dont know if OP was from sight or not, it is more than possible. You're not good Jimmy, we know that but dont diss others who are incredible. Thay makes you an even smaller man than you already are.

>>3720916
>so the idea that he was just freehanding on a blank canvas the exact proportional details and stuff without at least a grid for no real reason seems absurd.
but thats what painters usually do, you sketch on a canvas and if you get something wrong you either erase it with an eraser if you are using charcoal/graphite, or with turpentine/water if you are using oils/acrylics. Or just fix mistakes as you paint.
You should try paying more attention to what you are drawing before you put your lines down, it helps stop the chicken scratching.

Do you ever watch portrait painting videos on youtube? even if you dont like the style or materials used theres always something to learn that you can incorporate in your process. not everyone uses grids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zGnG1nnTPM

>>3720942
Didn't you see his earlier posts? Anyone who paints without a grid is a tryhard who will never get commissions. Never mind that most Youtube footage is from workshops that people usually pay hundreds of dollars for a seat in.

>>3720944
>Never mind that most Youtube footage is from workshops that people usually pay hundreds of dollars for a seat in.
you can get it from free on youtube tho

>>3720946
*for
fuck

>>3720946
The point is that it's laughable to believe that people who paint without grids aren't getting business (his implication) when people are literally paying for their instruction. We could then infer that people probably like their work enough to, you know, actually buy it. Just another one of Jimmy's absurd justification for not learning fundamentals.

>>3720932
>You arent good at all thou.
I'm not terrible. I am capable of hand drawing approximate proportions onto canvas. I am capable of drawing stuff at a "good enough" standard. I spent a few hours last night and drew
>>3720760
>>3720774
>>3720778
Like there's always reasons why they could be better but in terms of being able to generally draw, I'm not terrible.
>You just lesrned to live with your beg tier sketching
Sure I guess. Just like I learned to live with handwriting in all caps block letters. I don't into calligraphy either. I still have been practicing and experimenting more with drawing. Getting more and more into it as I'm looking into getting into doing pen and watercolor memes next year.
>You're not good Jimmy,
a: better than you lmao
b: so what?
> we know that but dont diss others who are incredible.
I mean yeah (you) generally do. (You) hiss and bitch at and about everything.
> Thay makes you an even smaller man than you already are.
Like again with all this projection. I revel in being a trashmonster. I don't care about relative size. I don't really even know how it'd even be defined. Like why are you THIS upset about a shitty memeschlock artisan? Who hurt you?

why does /ic/ hate this Jim guy?

>>3720942
>but thats what painters usually do,
non. Look at the painting and look at the reference image. Like the fingers are lined up pretty much exactly where they should be on the y axis. That's normally something that'll be a little off if it's being done freehand. The only obvious evidence that it's freehand is the wonky eyes, but that can still happen pretty easily when gridding.
>you sketch on a canvas and if you get something wrong you either erase it with an eraser if you are using charcoal/graphite
erasers fuck up canvas in my experience. You're married to your lines, even if you want to erase they're still there.
>Do you ever watch portrait painting videos on youtube?
not often no.
>even if you dont like the style or materials used theres always something to learn that you can incorporate in your process.
yeah but part of the whole time is entropy meme and the quest for the novel aesthetic is that for the peasant painting era I mostly just spiral into my own process built on mistakes and bad decisions. Been very limited outside influence or attempts to copy other people's approaches.
>not everyone uses grids
I never said everyone uses grids! My entire point is that all these kiddos that have literally never made a painting that call me a "gridder" as an insult are really only demonstrating that they have NO frame of reference about fundamental shit. All those youtubesmen have used grids. Even if they're not in their demo paintings, they still have experience with them.

not to mention that a lot of the time they do put down a dot grid that you can't see. Art is magic! In that it's all about tricking dipshits into thinking you're special!

>>3720818
do your underdrawing with a warmer tone like conte crayon. you're getting likenesses but your color choices make it look lifeless and boring

>>3719610
lmao imagine being so bad at the thing you wanted to be known for.

>>3720922
The (you)bots are evolving and they are rekting your jimmybot in every thread. You should definitely upgrade your script. The dialogue options have been exhausted so many times, they know they are all circle logic defense mechanisms. Even the last stage where jimmybot is faced with undeniable criticism and unlocks this masochistic "nobody hates me more than me" dialogue tree, has been exhausted to where there is no further options and jimmybot just starts over again in the next thread. It's time to implement a redemption story, where Jimmy stops deflecting with irony and masochism and actually admits to himself that this has to stop. Maybe he becomes a big Jordan Peterson fan? He posts pics of his tidy room, starts reading loomis, stops doing drugs, freely admits that he was an asshat when he was younger, lifts, posts only when he needs help on his progress in the corresponding thread and even helps other anons to become better people and artists. Just a suggestion, but something has to be done.

>>3720944
>Didn't you see his earlier posts?
Didn't you?
>Anyone who paints without a grid is a tryhard who will never get commissions.
Nice strawman. Why are you so emotional?
>Never mind that most Youtube footage is from workshops that people usually pay hundreds of dollars for a seat in.
So why you comparing me to people that are paid hundreds of schmekels to teach art to normies?
>>3720948
>The point is that it's laughable to believe that people who paint without grids aren't getting business (his implication)
No the implication is that a fundamental aspect of being a reliable painter that can crank out commissions is the ability to "cheat." Someone paying you $100 for a portrait of their dog doesn't care if you hand draw it or grid transfer it. And if you hand draw it and it looks wonky, they may not be satisfied. Part of being a working painter is understanding and having experience with grid transfers. That's just a reality.

Kill yourself with your hysteical strawan bullshit ya dang hobo.
>We could then infer that people probably like their work enough to, you know, actually buy it.
People often buy their art teacher's work. That's part of the whole racket.
>Just another one of Jimmy's absurd justification for not learning fundamentals.
Do you want to be an art teacher that does youtube tutorials? Is that your future? Or are you maybe trying to just make a fucking painting? If you have no experience with grids you're a /beg/ tier poindexter. It's a tool of the trade that you apparently will just refuse to utilize because some dudes on youtube don't use them. you aint gong make it sister

>>3720965
he is making phone pics of his shit with automatic color balance, so every single color is fucked. you can't really tell if he is using warmer colors. just look at the bits of table, it's all shifted towards yellow. >>3720962

>>3720958
this place is an incestuous hivemind of disaffected bitter boys and virgins that project their frustrations at people they're jealous of.
>>3720965
>do your underdrawing with a warmer tone like conte crayon
yeah i'm going to eventually shift away from mechanical pencil and pen.
>you're getting likenesses but your color choices make it look lifeless and boring
what about when I do the staccato strokez
>>3720968
imagine being anonymous haha.
>>3720969
I feel like you always identify yourself with the awkward attempts to inject the word rekt into everything you do. Not reading all this tbphwyf. You're violating global rule 2. You must be 18 to post here.

>>3720973
*i mean white balance
why would derelict hobo Jimmy know how to properly photograph a painting?

>>3720975
>this place is an incestuous hivemind of disaffected bitter boys and virgins
you feel very much at home, me thinks.

>>3720973
tfw have a daylight bulb and a soft white bulb in the same room
>>3720976
seems like a hassle
>>3720980
>you feel very much at home, me thinks.
sure thing.

>>3720970
>And if you hand draw it and it looks wonky, they may not be satisfied.
This is only a problem for unskilled artists like yourself. That single sentence really sums up your overall hesitation and fear of drawing, and why you're so bad at it. You've simply resigned to the fact that you can't draw, so it's grids from here on out.
>Part of being a working painter is understanding and having experience with grid transfers. That's just a reality.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better, you non-working artist you. Professionals working on a deadline project and trace because griding out shit is a waste of fucking time. You don't even know what you're pretending to LARP about.

>>3720975
>the word rekt into everything you do. Not reading all this tbphwyf
if -
called out [true]
run script "tl;dr"

(you)bots are seeing through this.

>>3720970
name one of your "big artists" that totally and exclusively rely on grids.

here's an "exception" in your fantasy world:
>Robert Longo
>huge realistic charcoal drawings
>slight, but obvious distortions in the process from motif to picture
>no grids

>>3720986
>This is only a problem for unskilled artists like yourself.
No it's a problem for everyone. Everyone has good days and bad days. It's easy enough to space out and do something off and not realize for awhile. And again, this is all just effort that nobody sees. You can spend all day drawing on the canvas if you want. Still getting covered in paint.
>That single sentence really sums up your overall hesitation and fear of drawing
i guess. It's just an unnecessary variable that most people don't care about. If you're get $100 regardless, and you're spending forever before you even get paint on canvas, you're just devaluing your own time.
>and why you're so bad at it.
better than you tho aye
>You've simply resigned to the fact that you can't draw,
I've been drawing increasingly more. The entire thing has been a process of evolving from computer to person. From graphite transfer to grid transfer to pen and watercolor to projection etc.
>so it's grids from here on out.
No the focus has been grids for most of year 2. By year 4 they'll be pretty uncommon.
>Whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better, you non-working artist you.
I'm a producer and I'm working constantly. Why are you projecting so much?
>Professionals working on a deadline project and trace because griding out shit is a waste of fucking time.
So now you're saying that gridding is dum because tracing is easier? Ok I guess. We've really come a long way from your original point huh.

And really all I need to say is that this entire race is built about around "beating" Van Gogh. And he autistically used grids for the entire 10 year span of of his career.
>You don't even know what you're pretending to LARP about.
Again. Projecting. You've never made a painting.
>>3720987
i dont speak chinese sorry
>>3720988
>name one of your "big artists" that totally and exclusively rely on grids.
Van Gogh. Rembrandt. Da Vinci. Escher.

>>3720992
>No it's a problem for everyone.
This is as dumb as saying playing the correct notes consistently is a problem for every musician. It isn't. That's why they're called professionals.Your inability to see the mountaintop from your little base camp means you're NGMI my guy. Srsly.
>We've really come a long way from your original point huh.
My original point is here, retard: >>3720767 How moronic can you be?
>Van Gogh. Rembrandt. Da Vinci
None of these came even CLOSE to exclusively using grids you dumb ape, and the difference between you and them is that they actually had drawing skill to build off of. You do not.

>>3720992
>Van Gogh. Rembrandt. Da Vinci. Escher.
none of them exclusively relied on grids. literally every one of them was hand-drawing. Van Gogh used grids, but not every goddamn time.
Rembrandt painted from models in the studio. Just look at the bathing lady, the old woman with the folded hands. no grids there.
DaVinci fucking hand-drew machines that didn't exists yet. How the hello do you use a grid in that formula?
Escher ... yeah i'm pretty sure the famous criss-crossing staircase didn't really exist, but that's just a guess.

Do you actually stop and think what kind of bullshit you are coming up with? Do YOU use grids to construct these bullshit arguments?

>>3720996
>This is as dumb as saying playing the correct notes consistently is a problem for every musician. It isn't.
It kind of is. You must not be a musician either. Not to mention that painting is more like songwriting or composing than playing an instrument. Like the underdrawing is the sheet music. if you listen to Hungarian Rhapsody no. 2 performed by different orchestras or pianists, it varies pretty significantly in how they play it.
>That's why they're called professionals.
Sure I guess. There are plenty of people selling commissioned paintings that they trace and probably couldn't execute as a hand drawing. Not to mention fucking printmakers and stuff. How triggered do you get by like Lichtenstein and Warhol and stuff?
>Your inability to see the mountaintop from your little base camp means you're NGMI my guy.
You climb from the base camp. You have to get to base camp first kiddo. You're sitting at home having made no effort, telling people at the bottom of the mountain that they're not going to make it because they're learning climbing techniques. It's funny because you're projecting.
>My original point is here, retard
Ok so I take it back. you've always been a consistent retarded faggot without a coherent argument.
>None of these came even CLOSE to exclusively using grids you dumb ape,
Yeah they fucking did. Van Gogh FAMOUSLY used a grid frame on almost ALL of his 900 paintings. Dumb ape lol.
>and the difference between you and them is that they actually had drawing skill to build off of
I have more drawing skill that you lol. Keep grinding your fundies lil autist. Keep creating all these impotent justifications for why you're uncreative and unproductive I guess.
>>3720998
>none of them exclusively relied on grids.
A: Yeah they did.
B: I don't rely exclusively on grids.

You're going to die of cancer in the next decade. Get your affairs in order.

>>3721004
>It kind of is.
No, it's not. Musicians who go and play in front filled stadiums rarely mess up. This goes triple for professional classical and jazz musicians. It's becoming abundantly clear that you're just mediocre at everything you do, and you assume everyone else is too. Sorry that you have to live like that. Well, bye!

everyone on /ic/ should just take up a handle, start avatarfagging, and have their own threads. because thats what 4chan is for

>>3721007
>No, it's not. Musicians who go and play in front filled stadiums rarely mess up.
they mess up on almost every song. It just generally sounds close enough that it goes unnoticed or doesn't matter. Wabi sabi brah.
>This goes triple for professional classical and jazz musicians.
Jazz is all about experimenting and building on mistakes as they happen in interesting ways. Like yeah they're already trained and well-practiced but if you listen to improvisational shit it's all about them pushing themselves into weird directions from the basic structure they built in the song.
>It's becoming abundantly clear
When people keep going out of their way to nitpick anything they can to point out how "abundantly clear" whatever is to the argument already had is, it comes off like a bit of confirmation bias. You actively ignore everything and then pick out the one ambiguous statement as a way to tell yourself what you already believed.
>and you assume everyone else is too.
Eh I know people that are extremely skilled at music shit. Their fingers slip and they make mistakes live all the time. And NONE OF THIS has anything to do with anything. It's just some dumb diversion created to muddy the waters with piss and poop and because you're a pissy shit monster.
>Sorry that you have to live like that.
I guess you tell yourself that you're a lazy do-nothing cuck because if you were good at something you'd probably just be doing it? You think that people are just either naturally skilled or they aren't?

i'm not sorry that you choose to live like that. You'll just be a useless shitposter from now until you kill yourself most likely. You've got your delusions. They'll keep you comfortable I'm sure.

>>3721016
>>3721004
>>3720992
this is literally like talking to a brick wall.
or a really nasty, angsty teenager only-child.
[X]
>hide thread

>>3720992
>i dont speak chinese sorry
lol, it's fucking real.

>>3720973
nah you can definitely feel it even from a shitty pic.

>>3721026
>this is literally like talking to a brick wall.
or a really nasty, angsty teenager only-child.
projection I reckon
>>3721027
There's a snake in my boot.

>>3721088
if -
out of arguments
>"projection!"
>"no u!"
>"what have you done today, bozzo?"
>"huzzah! i'm busy not washing myself! read you tomorrow, same time!"
>"tl;dr"

if -
angery and frustrated at getting the same criticism over and over again (for a good reason)
>"you guys will all get cancer!"
>"you are all antagonistic anti-people that just want to bring me down, no-oh! I'ma go back to homeopathic LSD microdosing and dotely doting another old acrylic decorative hipster placemat from the phase when I ... uh ... did things wrong, just to fool you guys! AHAHAHA! Fooled ya! I know how to paint properly! Haha, I used black ironically and I don't paint the teeth and leave them white, the white of the industrially produced cheap canvas primer! I bet nobody in all of art history has ever done that. What a bold idea! Marvel at my intellect! Carry me on the popes carrycot, I'm going to the Vatican to get baptised as the MEME MARTYR!!"

>>3721026
Yea hes retarded. I always hide his threads. Ill have to hide this thread again. Im on my phone.

>>3721004
I'd say you're actually probably a better painter than me, but your aversion to doing anything except the easiest things (grids, photos, celebrities) seems like a cop out. The self-sabotaging is endearing to some extent but at the same time it makes me annoyed that you outright refuse to put your abilities into actual fine arts work (original still life's, landscapes, nudes, portraits). You channel all of your energy into meaningless images, which I get is your "Schlock" but you run the risk of repeating yourself when you don't work from life. And no repeating yourself isn't wabi sabi, because repeating yourself on purpose only works if you repeat yourself differently every time, which is easier done with difficult subject matter because you can start claiming mistakes as part of your style once you learn to make the mistake again. My biggest problem with your approach, which is your intention, is that with this way of painting you can't make mistakes. It's built into the format you are working within. You would have to be a retard to fuck up one of these. But you're not a retard. Hence why they all look the same.

>>3721096
>I'd say you're actually probably a better painter than me
Sorry Brian but not even close

>>3721096
I think you're just afraid to actually push yourself, as an addendum to this, which in the end makes me a more successful artist right now. You're more technically skilled but you never take risks and hide behind sarcasm and irony. uwu

>>3721092
>out of arguments
no arguments have been made it's all just paintposting at this point tbphwyf
>angery and frustrated at getting the same criticism over and over again (for a good reason)
It's the "same criticism" because it's the only thing beginners have learned about and they have no frame of reference or experience. (You) rarely offer anything of substance that can be practically applied.

Eat poops and drink peeps ya goose

>>3721097
The problem with Jimmy is that he can't draw. He can paint really well, and has a good eye for color, but his draftsmanship is in the toilet. The actual problem though? You don't need draftsmanship to be an artist. Gauguin couldn't draw, Titian couldn't draw, Matisse definitely couldn't draw, but that's so not important because you can draw stick figures and paint them well (Or be like basquiat and draw amazing stick figures but know shit all about color)

>>3721099
>(You) rarely offer anything of substance that can be practically applied.
I told you to prime with a wash of color e.g. ochre, which you gladly took into your practice. so stfu, student.

>>3721103
>struggles with drawing
>good with color
maybe he should give colored pencils a whirl

>>3721108
Nobody should give colored pencils a whirl

>>3721103
>and has a good eye for color,
picking "wacky" colors isnt having a good eye for color. most of his paintings are extremely flat even when he uses 4+ colors. his values are complete trash

>>3721096
>I'd say you're actually probably a better painter than me
hmm
>but your aversion to doing anything except the easiest things (grids, photos, celebrities) seems like a cop out.
I'm definitely planning on doing more adaptations and spoofs on old memes.
>it makes me annoyed that you outright refuse to put your abilities into actual fine arts work (original still life's, landscapes, nudes, portraits)
im thinking of doing a still life of all the liquor bottles in the recycle bin. Definitely finna do a bunch of scapes soon.
>My biggest problem with your approach, which is your intention, is that with this way of painting you can't make mistakes. It's built into the format you are working within.
yeah pretty much. Drawing actual people and not drawing from a computer or image aught to start happening next year more.
>>3721107
I aint never said I wasn't a "student."

>>3721108
I used to goof with colored pencils and pastels a lot when I was a tot2teen.

>>3721115
Honestly what I did was just pick the thing I'm bad at and do it all the time. I was bad at oil painting so I did hundreds of oil paintings until I was okay at it. I could've spent all these years doing nothing but drawings but I already know how to draw and that doesn't make me a well rounded artist. I even dipped into sculpture, pastels, and watercolor a bit. If you're bad at something do it more.

>>3721115
you are basically my bitch, student. and what a reluctant little shitstain of a student you are.

>>3721114
fucking this. but how do you tell an idiot that he's an idiot? hate to shill this, but Jimmy is t. Dunning Kruger

>>3721114
he's using garbage tier paints and getting color harmonies you wouldn't be able to come up with with twice the time and effort. I have to use artist grade oils and meticulously prepared canvases to approach a semblance of what this guy can do with the runniest oil paints in the world on trash ass canvas panels.


that said I could draw like da vinci when I was 13, but color is one thing I don't understand, and that Jimmy clearly does.

>>3721119
sexually?!
>>3721118
yeah I mean I try to lean into stuff I frigged up previously. Whole reason I got into Acrylic at all was it's a weird, frustrating medium with a lot more time considerations and stuff. It was the medium I had like no spearience with at the thyme.
>>3721114
I mean it's about stacking colors and stuff. Plus my whole approach is kind of an "every part of the buffalo" meme where I apply colors to a bunch of canvasses as they're mixed on the palette and stuff. idk I'm not a turble colorsman. Constantly working on it.
>>3721121
post ur wrk grl

>>3721103
>Titian couldn't draw
What the actual fuck? Do you literally have zero idea what you're talking about? There are a shit ton of his drawings floating around on the internet. Every single Italian master was proficient at drawing.
>Matisse
Matisse could definitely draw. Just because a majority of his popular work is painting doesn't mean anything. His works can also be found on the internet.
>Thinks Basquiat color is shit but unironically believes Jimmy has a good eye for it
Yikes
>You don't need draftsmanship to be an artist
This sentence is meaningless. You don't need to be good at anything to be a good artist. The difference between your proclaimed "non-drawers" is that they all still knew the underlying theory behind visual art, which is identical whether or not you plan to draw a face or paint one.

for fuck sakes jimmy learn how to paint opaque you hopeless loser

>>3721130
>Titian could draw
>Raphael exists and he says Titian could draw
>Thinks Matisse even ranks
>Thinks Basquiat was good at anything besides drawing
dropped

>>3721137
Damn Brian. And to think, I actually used to hold you in higher esteem than the rest of the retarded faggots around here. Turns our your taste is just as shit.

*sages*
*hides thread*

>>3721139
>not siding with Raphael's Renaissance animu qts
I'm sorry I thought we were on 4chan

>>3721144
>not jerking off to this
Oof

>>3721146
post some Goya while you're at it, pleb XD

>>3721128
>it's about stacking colors and stuff.
that would work if you didnt stack the same colors everywere

>>3721160
I don't. You generally do a pallet of a blue and a purp on the pallet and apply them colors, then reds and yellows, then highlights and shadows and stuff. That's the foundation. I often goof with it or subvert it or do things on secondary canvii out of order or whatever.

>>3721147
hey lookit I did a Goya meme but with my cat and my sister's dog

>>3721205
read:
>i often fuck it up and do it badly

>>3721124
yeah he clearly understands colors >>3721205
...

>>3721205
you do.
and that pic is an example of it. why did you place the blue everywhere? the nose isnt the same color as his neck, and chin, and cheeks and eyes, and hair.
you just smeared blue all over the face, and you'll do the same with red and yellow. And it'll flatten the painting

>>3721242
>why did you place the blue everywhere?
you put that down and then stack the lighter colors on top. In that particular one, I through down the blues as a base to use up extra from a different painting. And then the orange and yellow are same diff. It's an afterbirth of better efforts.

And to me that can potentially lead to interesting looking paintings on their own.

>>3721339
Interesting, but not good. The pencil showing through is unpleasant and the way you place brushstrokes lacks nuance. Makes your stuff look amateurish and bad regardless of color direction.

>>3721135
im something of a transluceman myself

>>3721344
this is another that was an afterbirth dump that I stopped production on because I thought it looked neat. Thought of it as a squeakquel to >>3721339 and sister meme of >>3721128

>>3721351
and they all share the neon yellow paint used on pict related

>>3721351
I'm glad to see you're producing work, but it doesn't address the concerns I mentioned. I think your paintings would look significantly better if you would freehand the underpainting without pencil and used your strokes more deliberately. I think applying that to something that isn't a picture of a celebrity would also be good.

>>3719610
even the color thing is copied

accidentally poured out way too much black paint and just took it out on this.
>>3721356
oh great NOW I read this.

>>3719610
jimmy just rips off this dude.

>>3721705
I had the idear first. and he used to only do Always Sunny memes. and I aint no oil boy sloot neither gnome sang

>>3721719
Have you considered doing a light wash of the overall color and letting it dry before putting down the rest of the color to avoid the unappealing hard to avoid white edges around where your figures meet the background?

>>3722231
yeah meow I normally do something like pict related where I do a wash over the whole thank first with gesso mixed with a color mixed with a bunch of water.

>>3722231
like they generally look like this at the start.

generally my order of operations is to prep like 4-10 canvasses at a time. i put down the underdrawings on all of them in the same sitting, and then cover them all in a gesso layer like in pict related. Sometimes I'll just do a super wash with a lot of water and sometimes I'll use less water and more gesso, and sometimes matte gel, to build a bit of texture and shape and whatever.

>>3720983
>>3720992
>>3721004
your shit is tourist art. it's the fucking garbage that kids in high school try to do to impress their friends by drawing e-celebs and meme pictures. you should feel very bad about what you're doing to our society by making these fuck-awful paintings.
i'm very, very sincerely serious that you should stop doing art. and you never, ever shut the fuck up on this godforsaken board. you are so fucking annoying

>>3722365
>your shit is tourist art.
them niggaz have money my goy
>it's the fucking garbage that kids in high school try to do to impress their friends by drawing e-celebs and meme pictures.
peasant paintings lul
>you should feel very bad about what you're doing to our society by making these fuck-awful paintings.
you should feel good about what you're not going to be doing to our society after you hang yourself in the closet
>i'm very, very sincerely serious that you should stop doing art.
I'm very, very sincerely serious that cucumbers taste better pickled.
>and you never, ever shut the fuck up on this godforsaken board.
Your closet contains a belt, and that belt contains the solution to your problems.
>you are so fucking annoying
You're super cool. Great gal to be around.
>>3722372
me on the right

>>3722376
george bush is a better artist than you man

>>3722390
primary influences:
Van Gogh
Goya
Warhol
Lichtenstein
Bush

>>3722397
how much influence do you really need to copy and paste memes onto a white canvas
also
>warhol
>lightenstein
ew

>>3722405
>how much influence do you really need to copy and paste memes onto a white canvas
plenty.
>ew
post the animu lewds you draw on your mom's ipad faget

>>3722416
nah i mean i appreciate and strive to make art that is not anime, but warhol & his ilk have helped to inspire nothing but shit from tons of hacks well into this very century
case in point: you

>>3722422
>nah i mean i appreciate and strive to make art that is not anime
post it up boye
>but warhol & his ilk have helped to inspire nothing but shit from tons of hacks well into this very century
or you're just an uncreative dipshit with a shitty art education and uppity sense of self-importance.
case in point: (You)

>>3722424
if only i could be as creative as to churn out fucking muddy paintings of flavor-of-the-month celeb pictures made famous by their use on twitter as reaction images
VERY contemporary anon, WHAT a response to this internet age! HOW could you EVER think of something so CURRENT and INSIGHTFUL! truly they are the hieroglyphs of our fascinating age!
eat a dick

>>3722437
>if only i could be as creative as to churn out fucking muddy paintings of flavor-of-the-month celeb pictures made famous by their use on twitter as reaction images
eh it's all from /tv/ pretty much. And yeah "if only." You obviously choose to do nothing and justify it by pretending you have "standards."
>VERY contemporary anon
i mean I could be doing this shit on a tablet huh
> WHAT a response to this internet age!
thanks bud
>HOW could you EVER think of something so CURRENT and INSIGHTFUL!
idk seemed like a pretty obvious course for things to take. You must have missed the boat though aye
> truly they are the hieroglyphs of our fascinating age!
Cool beans!
>eat a dick
Do something productive today.

>>3722446
your paintings are ugly - you are ugly - your ideas are ugly
you aren't being productive.
god i wish i could say that your shit was at least nice to look at, or had good craftsmanship, or that i could find something to appreciate AT ALL about those hundreds of works you made but really, i hate it, i hate the ideas behind it, i hate you and your guts. goodbye

>>3722453
>your paintings are ugly - you are ugly - your ideas are ugly
You are a beautiful and unique snowflake.
>you aren't being productive.
he yelled into the black mirror
>god i wish i could say that your shit was at least nice to look at, or had good craftsmanship, or that i could find something to appreciate AT ALL about those hundreds of works you made
https://youtu.be/aafpos35u-s
> but really, i hate it
i love that you hate it tbphwyf
> i hate the ideas behind it
thzmems3hot5u2handle kekeke rekt btfo imhotep
>i hate you and your guts
i dont think about you at all.jpg
>goodbye
this my thread meow miucka
https://youtu.be/_TZaW89Y68Y

>>3722478
what is the idea behind all this paintings?

This is actually #7 on the top posts of all time on r/art

>>3722691
the motivation behind them is that I'm racing Van Gogh in total paintings, starting at the same age. His career was from ages ~27-37, and he produced ~900 paintings. I'm in year 2 of doing this shit as an obsession, year 1 of doing it full time. Currently have ~320 paintings in production. Part of the whole race is that, like Van Gogh, I essentially can't sell any originals during the race. I can sell one at some point technically.

And then for the memes that the paintings are about, there are a lot of different themes and ideas being addressed by a lot of different paintings. Ideas like "how to develop a novel aesthetic" by building rules around doing things "wrong" and embracing and interpreting aesthetic concepts like wabi sabi. A lot of it is kind of part of some obsessive idea that time is entropy, which practically informs the idea to record everything on timelapse and keep everything and have the paintings kind of tell a story over time of a person learning from mistakes and sabotaging themself and a bunch of other stuff. A lot of them are also about mental illness and anxieties and stuff. You can see the difference between paintings done in a depressive state versus manic, etc.
>>3723045
>nobody cares about meme paintings
>you're stupid for being a meme painter
>Shaq drinking water is top 10 on /r/art
plus I saw yesterday that someone posted yet ANOTHER Elon Musk meme painting and got like 11k on some subreddit. There are going to be meme painters everywhere in a decade.

Who is Jimmy?
Is this Facebook or something?

>>3723420
>Who is Jimmy?
some friggin hoser
>Is this Facebook or something?
no this is /ic/

>>3719639
It's worse than that, painters use grids, rulers and plaster the reference in front of them 24/7.
Nobody cares about this anyway but the eyeballer gene is dead

>>3720779
>>3720818
LMFAO i can't believe the shitty paint gridder who draws memes ACTUALLY draws this bad. His original shit is like "learn to draw anime" tier. Wow
>>3720779
>>3720774
>>3720760

>>3723517
>LMFAO i can't believe the shitty paint gridder who draws memes ACTUALLY draws this bad.
post ur work qt
>His original shit is like "learn to draw anime" tier.
that headscratch animu drawing is literally the first anime-style drawing I've ever attempted. Was a fun 40 minutes of looking up stuff and doodling. You're looking at end-of-day relaxation drawings from the last 2 weeks. Post your doodz my dood.

>>3723530
i'm a huge fan of yours now, i literally am considering quitting drawing/doodling forever in favor of learning to grid like you senpai jimmy sama