/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3646594
niggas envious!

SCUM TIME

>>3646594
It's frustrating to see on /ic/ how many people think
>fantasy / sci-fi / concept art
>porn patreons
>drawing "OC"s on Tumblr via commission charts
>furry porn
Are the only way to make a living with any and all forms of art. Any other fields are dismissed as not being legitimate due to ignorance and a sort of delusional arrogance that the above are the only ways artisrs make money. This place is a bubble of misinformation about the greater world of art (specifically illustration) and what it means to be a professional freelance artist. Do not take business and career advice from /ic/ - this board is okay (not great) for getting quick feedback on work, but that's about it. Do not dig yourself into a hole of ignorance

>>3646690
what would you recommend, then?

>>3646690
tell us the other ways

>>3646690
it's not arrogance anon it's just the acceptance that we probs aren't going to be good enough to breakthrough into other areas

>>3646690

such as? no trying to be sarcastic or anything, genuinely curious

I can't capture the likeness of Asians for some fucking reason. They always end up looking black.
How do I draw asians?

>>3646717
i feel your pain

>try to draw using proper construction/perspective
>my brain shits itself, and nothing is working
>"project my mind's eye on the canvas" and then trace that
>it comes out okay. Not amazing, but clearly conveys the pose I wanted.

Looking at it again, I did do construction, but I didn't use what some would consider to be proper forms, and such. And heavily emphasized the gesture.
Whatever, it's all a learning process, as long as you keep an open mind, anyway.

>>3646750

>>3646717
don't render the nose too much, that's just it

>>3646709
Graphic design firms need illustrators. There's also editorial art. And painting lesbian's dogs.

I respect everyone who is legitimately good at stop motion animation

Seriously it's so fucking difficult every little thing can fuck up, your work, light, wind , people walking, the camera, and the movement never looks exactly the way i want

im way more happy doing 2D animation, i can just draw all the poses i want and then follow my chart alone without having to deal with more people

Have almost escapist love for fantasy and want to draw it but realise that there are so much of it and if you do not have something really unusual and creative you are not distinguishable from mass. At the same time I don't even want to draw elves and orcs, and don't want to go crazy like Moebius and such, just wanna my down to earth medivialish world. Also cannot draw clothes for shit

Man did I get totally trashed trying to protect some sluts honor in Fort Lauderdale down townafter, at least I have you 4 Chan, I want to do do cartoons there for those savages, my ribs hurt.

>>3647093
So awesome being a hedrosexual white minority here with values. I feel more gangster everyday.

>Me walking down a walkway in Los ola's see a girl with no shoes being swarmed by jankylooking pleople
>me say people are cruel here
> Dude that's trys to throw hot dog at her
>I intervened
>Dudes big buff bro drog takes my punch for an ignorent ass trying to attack me I take a bunch Of hits because it wasn't for him. Deseculates when me trying to juke buff dude into hotdog stand. Me say your asshole
>People think I want to souter girl,
>Me just trying to do what think is right
>I hate my land because it takes and hurts me

>Slut super sexy, would admire doggy... why she have no shoes? Doesn’t matter disrespect is painfull, dapp hoodlims after, mad respect show them my sketch wallet say I’m going to toon here I’m a lover not a fighter

True story, though it be poorly to comprehend.

>>3646594
Is that image supposed to be illastrat...?

>>3646791
Those all sound like horrible alternatives if you ask me. If that's all there is outside of what you listed earlier, then I don't mind /ic/ not talking about it.

>>3647116
I'm not that anon and what I listed isn't exhaustive. I'd rather do cutaways of castles for some autistic children's book or highbrow comics for a gentleman's magazine than work for blizzard.

>>3646690
most artists are crap at business. sad but true

>>3647105
>>3647109
>>3647110

>>3646781
Do you have any drawings of asians so I can see other artist's approach?

>>3646594
You sure that pic is unrelated?
Also, I can't seem to get charcoal to work for the life of me and I've spent so much time trying to blend/spread it that I don't know if I can actually see the shades any more.

>>3646690
this post again

anon... just leave the fucking board man. we get it, you sell shirts on red bubble.

>>3646717
First of all draw Asians that aren't specifically styling their makeup to.make their eyes look white like this chick (don't believe me go look up some Japanese makeup tutorials so many of them use that eyelid tape or plain got surgery and don't even look Asian now)

>>3647105
>>3647109

>>3646717
>looking black
lmao post your work dude. how do you do that?

>>3647105
>>3647109
keked for a solid minute at these posts haha wtf

I am a highly neurotic person and I constantly deal with crippling self doubt. I "forget" that I can produce decent work and I have to look at the best stuff I've done on a regular basis to just reassure myself that I can paint. I'm not even a beginner. The weirdest part is that I am genuinely surprised when I look at the stuff I've done like I literally forgot it. It's like..."oh, I made this? It's actually pretty good..." Every time. Anyone else like this?

>>3648864
I surprise myself sometimes. Not really all that neurotic, just not excited by my own work until I forget about it and look at it later.

>be 18
>see some faggot 16 y/o zoomer kid who is better than me on instagram
>get fucking pissed
>my improvement is now fueled by my hatred for this kid
I want to be better than this little fucking faggot and I've made it my goal to surpass him within the next 6 months.

>>3648889
you're practically a toddler yourself

>>3648889
lol at this embryo, how cute

>>3648891
t. 20 year old boomers

NIGGERS SKEPTICAL

I'm so jealous, not in an angry way as often expressed here, but I'm just filled with a certain hopelessness when I see artists, especially my age, with skill and creativity far beyond me. I see myself making steady progress technically, but some of the creativity I see expressed in eccentric anime artwork is just insanely god tier. I have this fear that I'll get really good at drawing anime but will not be able to stylize it well.

Scattered thoughts

>pour your heart and soul into something (a comic)
>90+ pages in, an nobody cares anymore
>Only people who actively reply, do so to shit on you
>Get upset and actually show a little bit of what's about to come, to dedicated fan, who's lost interest
>Instantly he's excited again, intrigued, and admits he didn't see that coming, and wants to see where it leads
>Both friends who were helping you out, with the art, cave under the workload (despite it honestly not being much, and you having already compromised a ton on the art, to make it easier/fast as possible)
>Very real possibility you'll either have to tank the art further, or slow the release schedule down even more

Somebody fucking kill me.

>>3649758
>>90+ pages in, an nobody cares anymore
Maybe your pacing just sucks. Cut the bullshit and just draw the shit that matters. Also don't do one page at a time.

>>3649768
Already fixing the pacing, and the pages are made as fast as I can (wagecuck). There's less pages in each chapter, and things move faster in each one. For example, the first is around 25 pages, the latest chunk (technically an interlude) is only 9, and in it we establish the goal, the protagonists past, hint at future events, and more.

>>3649779
Also chapter one is filled with tons of pointless crap that I should have cut.

>>3648889
As soon as you do you'll find a 13 year old who does better than the both of you. It's never ending.

>>3649826
Fuck it dude more motivation. I'll get better than some dumbass little rich kid whose parents can afford art lessons.

>>3646791
desu I'd rather paint lesbian dogs than paint lesbian's dogs.

>>3647351
Just look at pixiv they have semi realistic art aside from anime

I've given up on trying to make art friends. I'm just going to do this shit alone, like I've always done. When I get good I'm going to openly mock anyone who tries to suddenly be my friend. Like seriously, fuck you. Yes, I'm fucking bitter. So what? Why would you not be bitter when people ignore you constantly?

>>3649875
i always picture these kind of things like pic related

keep the motivation up anon!

>>3646594
literally the only art i'm even remotely interested in doing right now is a niche personal comic that will bring me bupkis in terms of money

and i don't have enough mental energy to force myself into doing boring paid work and personal work at the same time for months if not years

>>3650337
you're probably insufferable around people and it's very obvious by the tone of your post.

>>3650337
Are you a woman? The way you write makes you sound like you're either a woman or a fag.

>>3649758
Give comic so we can help
Don't be scared of judgment, you can still make the next one better

>learning to mimic certain parts of a style and having access to so much reference makes me feel like I'm cheating and I feel bad therefore I almost never do it and I'm stuck because how did artists do it before muh pride etc

Why am I retarded? I guess people who were born with Internet don't have this problem

>>3650337
Listen to yourself. No, from outside of your body. Do you want to be your own friend? Then stop pointing at others like that. Nobody but low vibration people do this between themselves and it'll lead you nowhere. If you're aware of your flaws then work on them the best you can. Genuine friendship and live do exist but you're also like a product : people buy a vibe when they're with you. You dont have to be fake but balance yourself.
Also expect some people to be disrespectful. Don't waste time with those. It's literally wasted time and a distraction. Didnt work? You're not a child. Go next or adjust your needs until you get to the next step of your evolution.

Sorry for esl

>>3647947
kek

>>3648889
goals that depend on both hatred and other people are terrible, you will never sustain it

>>3650559
he's right, you will never sustain your hatred

>>3650509
Just don't tell anyone and pretend that you draw everything from imagination.

>>3650559
I'm gonna draw anyways, might as well give myself more incentive.

>>3646594
The most money I've ever made is by drawing other people's pony OCs. I want to get good at drawing birds, but then I just draw ponies. It's like a retarded infection.

>>3651033
There's people with a fetish for bird characters. Draw shit for them.

>>3650483
Already have.
>>3648890 and >>3648884

I have before in the past, as well, and gotten feedback on the art style, of particular note being the inking, and I've taken steps to rectify that in the next page.
It's just the biggest problem I'm having is I guess finding the motivation to keep going, knowing I'm the only one who cares about it.
Still, if you're willing to give feedback, and help out, I'm always willing to listen.

>know what I want to draw
>not skilled enough to draw it to a level where I'd be satisfied
Is it worth trying and being inevitably disappointed, lads?

>>3651048
You gotta learn to love the process, and to love the act of learning to draw or it will be extremely painful to make any gains. Sorry anon

>>3651035
I mean real birds for nature fine art, which is more relevant to my degree.

>>3651038
I'm thinking people don't want to critique both because it's theoretically good but it also doesn't have that hook, like "Why would I read this comic over any other webcomic" and I know that I didn't want to critique or reply to your post at all because I'm scared of making you quit; if you're talking about quitting at the place where you post it then people will avoid it like the plague because someone quitting over not getting enough attention is sad and they don't want to be sad. Also the white outlines being in the background is kind of distracting IMO.
t. cross board lurker who never arted in his life.

>>3646594
>half of my subscribers are spanish
>I am not

>>3651763
The outlines are to preserve the shape of the characters, so I'm going to have to keep those.
But thank you regardless. I should clarify I'm never giving this up, otherwise I would have by now, and the hook comes on the last page of this interlude. It's shitty that it took me this long to get to it, yes, but I'm living with my mistakes, and doing my best to move the comic forward.

That being said, what do you mean by "theoretically good"? Like, the art and writing, on their own, are already fine?

>>3649758
In all honesty, if your webcomic is struggling to find an audience that's probably moreso because of the writing than the art. I've read some of your comic before, and it's not bad. But the issue is that your story doesn't particularly stand out in any way.
It doesn't have a clear hook beyond "protag guy fights monsters," and while your action scenes are decent, they don't hold up when compared to action scenes by professional mangaka, which means most action-oriented readers won't find your work to be particularly impressive. The character's personalities are a bit vague, I don't have a good grasp and the mc besides him being aloof.
From one webcomic artist to another, I think it would benefit you a lot if you sat down and read some action comics and tried to dissect what about them drew you in to keep reading. I feel like you'd have an easier time finding a readership if you attached an interesting story to the action, because so far it's mostly just been kinda meandering.

>>3652901
Oh then I guarantee you're going to love where this goes, in a few pages. Like I said, I can't start over, and I'm making them as fast as I can. But if it's the writing, I've learned from my mistakes, hard.

So thanks. If that's the case then it's just a matter of time.

>tfw you finally get good enough to get 10 favs on your artwork
I'm gonna make it guys

>>3652458
Do you draw for any fandom in particular?

>>3646602
are you ok?

>>3646594
artists here are easy going, have lots of friends, a true network going on... I'm such a hateful weirdo that I manage to stay out of it all, even with decent work
fuck this shit
inb4 post your work

>>3649758
>help with webcomic workload
Nigga what?

>>3649745
That art is horrible. Easiest to draw shit ever and he still made the fingers nightmare shit

>>3653410
>>3653364
Post your art.

>>3653364
Im legit curious because I suffer from the same problems, post your stuff

>>3649745
lmao that index finger

>>3646717
Draw a black person.

Now make the lips smaller (not less full, just smaller)

Make the nose smaller, slightly lower on the face and squatter.

Replace the creased eyes with almond-shaped eyes.

Color the skin pale and straighten the hair.

>>3649745
I feel the exact same way when I see artist younger than me.

>tfw there's a 16 year old on tumblr peddling out high-quality smut and they're at that age where they think they can do whatever they want on the internet.

>>3646594
I'm not going to make it.
I've had a tablet for a while now and I don't seem to get any better on it. I've gone back to traditional and it's OK but I need a reference to draw.

I can't draw from imagination and it kills me. I'm brain dead and I'm not going to make it. I got fired lost my apartment rental and had to move back in with my parents. Currently desperate for a job but too brain dead and depressed to get a dish washer position.

I'm not going to make it and I wish God would just kill my brain and let the NPC take over.

>>3649745
Cute lizard

>>3653222
Mostly pones.

I just want to make art friends my age, but anytime I try to go out to whatever local meet up thing there might SOMETIMES be for artists, it's always full of people like twice my age

>>3646594
I can't fucking draw a vertical line. Horizontal, di-agonal, easy. Freehand ellipses, easy. Vertical line? Keeps fucking curving. Fuck this nigger kike spic faggot jew bullshit.

>>3656749
How old are you?

>>3656778
26 year old boomer

>>3656749
What kind of meetups are you going to? I'm a social recluse but am always seeing posts on art shows hosted by local bars that seem to be aimed at edgy college kids.

I-I think people only like my depressing works.

>thought I make one of the greatest breakthrough in my art
>woke up the next day
>it's fucking shit
Why? I thought I was so close..

>>3656766
It's because vertical lines are against your natural arm pivot points, so it's always going to be harder

I'm past 30 and I'm Proko kangaroo level.
I'm super depressed but drawing is the only thing I really love and want to work into.
I know there must be a way to make even a little bit of money out of if I keep trying on getting better, but I don't know where to start.
It's a mix of hope and certainty that this is the one thing I want to do of my time (because if I keep my normal job I'm going to snap hard), and the fear of not knowing how to make something that would be even remotely sellable (I know some people with a mediocre level do, but it's probably special cases, like One)

>>3648864
Sounds just like me bro. I have about 100 paintings stacked under a workbench in the garage I live out of. Whenever I make something decent I forget about it and hide it then stress about how bad I am. oil painter, What's your email.

>try out loomis after years of thinking his books were just a meme and that hampton was better
>everything is so fucking simple and clear
>go through drastic improvement in just a month
Now I'm just regretting wasting all that time not following Loomis.

>after 3+ years I still don't have a process for drawing figures
>even though that's what I've been working on the most
>I've filled entire sketchbooks with gestures, anatomy studies, and master studies
>I'm progressing but every time I make headway in one area, I realize there's something else
>recently I discovered posing (drawing little stick figures that capture the angles and proportions)
>many artists seem to integrate it into their gestures, but others use it independent of that
>it's a simple tool but my figures instantly look a lot better
>it also allows me to create poses from my imagination, which was another thing I didn't understand
>but now I have this sick feeling in my gut: "what if there's some other step I'm missing?"
>it's painful to think I've been drawing for thousands of hours and the mistake is something so simple

2 years ago I felt so ready to get a studio job. I was so determined and put together a pretty decent portfolio and took it to CTN. I got good feedback and one recruiter told me to add 1 thing and he would recommend me for a position on a show. At the same time I was getting involved with someone at the same time and I didnt want to move away so I just didnt do the the thing. Its two years later and that my circumstances are really different, went through some heavy depression caused by medication and lost/gained new friends but I'm in LA now and taking a couple classes with the goal being, a 'studio job' again but I just dont feel it anymore. Like the excitement of it is gone and the idea of drawing everyday sounds like it would kill the passion I have left for it. I have the skill for it, thats all I keep hearing from people I just dont have the drive anymore. All I need to do is fix up my portfolio with maybe 2 days worth of work to start applying and networking again and taking that step feels like climbing a mountain with a disappointing view at the top.

>>3659493
Where's that page from?

>>3659507
It should be in the artbook thread. Look up "Animator Jukuryuu Saisoku de Egakeru You ni Naru Kyara Sakuga no Gijutsu"

He has a youtube channel too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH0HcY2NvP8

>purchased Intuos M
>hurts my pinky and ring finger after using it for longer than an hour, forcing me to take a break
I JUST WANT TO DRAW WACOM

>>3646709
Maybe like looking for stories on the internet that match with your artstyle, offering them to make a comic with their story and your art and showing it to a editorial company

>>3646985
Then create a medival world with uncommon fantasy creatures,mix it up a bit

>>3661530
No. Just no, to all of this. What you suggested is doomed from the start because you don't know what an "editorial company" is. You'd bust your balls making an entire comic (loads of work) based off a "story on the internet" (what does this even mean?) for FREE - and then your plan is to take all your hard work and pitch it to the wrong industry. Genius.

Don't suggest things if you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>3646594
I can't get a cintiq even after doing all the saving from tonnes of job. WHY ARE YOU SO EXPENSIVE TO BE IMPORTED!

>>3659516
then don't draw with your pinky fucking degenerate

>>3650559
Not true. I got my current job (that I love) through the power of resentment towards my friends and family.
>>3648889
Good luck anon. I’m rooting for you. Kick that little baby child’s fuckin ass

>>3646985
>don’t like elves and orcs
Perfectly fine! It’s called fantasy and it’s meant to be something that is your fantasy world. Don’t like tropes? Perfect there’s too much samey looking Peter Jackson presents LotR clones as is. Take something that you like and incorporate it. Do you like sports? Or bugs? Or school? Use it and make your fantasy a world made of all the things you enjoy. Fantasy is an easy genre to bs. The hook/gimmick is how you make yours something that stands out.

>Was good enough to find occasional work in illustration since highschool
>wasn't one of the chosen few who has a supportive and wealthy enough family to actually focus on it
>Got shit job, apartment, make just enough to get by
>manual labor
>Kratom addict (and before that heroin/painkiller addict, at least the kratom is legal i guess)
>Kratom removes the desire to draw lately
>Even when I do want to draw and have good ideas for stuff, i'm generally too tired from work
>Draw maybe once every 2 or 3 months now
>seeing myself getting rusty each time I go back
>I don't have the time to do anything about it

I told myself when I was 18, 7 years ago now, that i'd kill myself If I couldn't land a job doing what I wanted to do by 25.

25 is here. I hope I was just being a melodramatic teenager back then but sometimes i'm not sure. I don't think I'll ever work a job that I actually want.

>>3661892
What steps have you taken towards getting illustration work? Have you done anything to connect yourself with potential clients? What type of illustration are you interested in? Do you have a lot of polished, finished personal work created that's relevant to the type of illustration you want to work in? Do you have a portfolio website?

>>3661895
>what steps...
None really, life is too tiring and busy, I can't find the time to look into it. When I was younger I used to go around with a portfolio but it's dated now, and i've only drawn one finished piece in the past year.
>Have you done anything to connect yourself..?
Yes, I have a few people who come to me for small commissions once in a rare while. Beyond that, no.
>Type
Things i occasionally get commissioned for : logo/symbol designs, vector art. I'd like to just have a steady job to do with illustration.
>do you have a lot of polished work
No, i haven't been producing anything of value in a long time. I used to, it didn't get me anything more than a few commissions though.
>Portfolio website
no.

I've drawn about 5 things within the past month.
I used to get really upset for not putting in the effort to make serious progress, but I guess I've sort of accepted the fact that I won't make it.

>>3662079
Fuck I've never drawn 5 things in a month. I always end up with like 30 unfinished pieces.

>>3646594
Only fucking idiots believe that art is more about genetics than practice. Lazy eternal begs who play video games more than draw will never accomplish anything

i will keep on drawing

>>3663279
Based

>>3649758
Draw moar fanart of other things.

If you want people to see you, you have to give the something they're looking for and hope they stick around long enough to get interested in your comic. This isn't the early 2000s. You aren't guaranteed to get an audience just by posting consistently. Any webcomic is going to get lost among the thousands of other ones if you just post it by itself with no other art on your blog to lure people in.

>>3646594
>drawing cartoon porn for mental midgets gives you hundreds of thousands of fans
>drawing art which belongs into galleries let's you disappear in obscurity
>the most famous artists of today are literal Pollock clones smearing shit on canvas
>fat angry feminists will lock you up for drawing loli nipples in the west
>but if you paint black men raping white women you are a genius
>digital looks like soulless shit compared to traditional, yet everyone prefers it nowadays
>anime died as soon as they stopped using cel art, now it's a thing for fucking normies and ruined
>americans turn everything into shit with their shit taste, but they are so numerous they can't be stopped

>>3664474
you deserve your depression

>>3664474
I agree on every point

>>3664509
you too deserve every sad bad thought you've had about yourslef

>>3664511
No you

>>3664513
vbithc like i don't already k now that

>>3664511
why so angry?

>>3664515
bitch i'm drunk don't give me attention

>>3664514
s-sorry m8 I didn't really mean it

>>3664517
no fuck you dipshit people like you make life so much fucking hard for me on top of the dumb shit i alreayd think about myself, fuck you

why does everyon e badck off an feel bad when you're drunk be fucking stuop beinf g fucking cowards fucking a;sldfkj if you really hate peopl elike me just fucking kill me goddamn fuck you

>>3664474
>>americans turn everything into shit with their shit taste, but they are so numerous they can't be stopped

Evola wrote an essay called 'American Civilization' where he brings this up

>Americanization in Europe is widespread and evident. In Italy it is a phenomenon which is rapidly developing in these post-war years and is considered by most people, if not enthusiastically, at least as something natural. Some time ago I wrote that of the two great dangers confronting Europe - Americanism and Communism - the first is the more insidious. Communism cannot be a danger other than in the brutal and catastrophic form of a direct seizure of power by communists. On the other hand Americanization gains ground by a process of gradual infiltration, effecting modifications of mentalities and customs which seem inoffensive in themselves but which end in a fundamental perversion and degradation against which it is impossible to fight other than within oneself.

>>3664519
shut hte fuck up, stop posting

>>3664519
Evola sounds like he is talking about kikes there

>>3664521
fuck you this shit isn't funny an i hope you fucking one day as;dlfj asdfuckinc gfuck you fuck you fuck you i hfucking hate you

>>3664474
>>americans turn everything into shit with their shit taste, but they are so numerous they can't be stopped
So much this.
Filthy americans.

>>3664532
that part i don't care about but you can stills uck my shit cause i'm just fuckin fuck everyone goddamn

>>3664533
Go to sleep

>>3664547
fuck you, unless your name is a synonym of piscine hunter you can suck my fuck a thousand times over

>>3664553
love you too<3

>>3664572
fuck you fuck you fukc you wha;sldjf either message me on discord or fuck off into the sun as;dljkf why do yo u keep hurting me, why am i so fucking stupid, i fucking da;sdlkj deserve eveyrthing bad that happens to me i just want it to tstop hurting

>>3664572
fuck you

why is everyone so cowardly , why do es everyone fucking hcicken out the second antyhing feels real i fucking hat eyou all fucking kill me, kill me kill me kill me, uf i c;lsadfj i fucking hate you, fuck you, fuck you fuck you ifukc you fuck you ficuk you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you, i fucking hate you
fuck youfucking kill me do it fucking do it i hate you i fucking hat eyou

>>3664595
Are you the Kratom addict? Get a hold of yourself

>>3664601
i'm drunk dumbass i've said that like three times in shtis fucking thread fuck you

>>3664595

is this mumble rap lyrics?

>>3664523
Holy shit look at this dude lol.

>>3664518
Lol

I can't fucking stop drinking

I can't post art without being ignored. This has caused me to stop drawing at months at a time.

>>3666096
This t b h. Makes me wonder if my work is just mediocre or so terrible that it's not even worth critiquing.

>>3666096
>>3666102
You have to draw for yourself mainly. The attention you get for it is just the cherry on top.
If you are able to enjoy drawing for yourself, you surely also will get fans sooner or later.

>>3665994
That's what I thought too. Took me more than 30 years to stop. You'll get there, just try again and again once in a while. You'll fail many times but it's ok. You just try longer next time.

By the way, not drinking is way more enjoyable than drinking. Cause at some point you can have fun and not be that retarded annoying guy, spent lot of money, wake up with headaches, regret your wasted time, and start worrying about your health.
I had to start having health problems to stop, so please don't wait like me and try.

If you can't go cold turkey just fix limits first. Good luck brah, if I could do it, you can to. But, yes, it's hard, specially in the society we live in (some people literally find it weird that you don't drink even if you're having fun. Fucking nonsense, don't listen to anyone)

>>3665994
My moms an alcoholic. Mid-60's alchie that kept it underwraps for a long, long time. We found out a few years ago. She drank at least a box of wine every 1-2 days (keyword: at LEAST - alcoholics are sneaky and you can never know for sure how much they drink). That's ~2 bottles of wine, every day of every week for years & years. Her life is a complete mess. Her mind is rotten, her cognitive abilities are severely hampered, her life is stagnant, her physical ability is stunted, her short term memory is awful, her health is in the gutters, among many, many other problems.

People severely underestimate the damage long term alcohol use. Do not fall down that pit. It is a shitty experience for you and those close to you.

I hate the guy that hijacked the anime study thread he turned it into alt thread 2 it's fucking dumb

>>3666506
That thread was hi-jacked the moment 3 or so people wanted "rights" to directing it. At least the discord is okay.

>>3666506
It died down now. It's p chill imo

>>3665994
I just set a rule for myself where I can't drink two days in a row, and it's seriously helped me cut back. On sober nights, I'll think "well, this sucks, and I seriously want a drink, but I only have to wait one more day." I find it a lot easier than limiting myself to a certain number of drinks per day, or quitting for long periods of time. I guess the next step is going two days without drinking, then three, etc.. Just start with one day.

This thread is pathetic. Get your shit together.

>>3659493
>Animator Jukuryuu Saisoku de Egakeru You ni Naru Kyara Sakuga no Gijutsu

I know that feels about the mannequin, I've went through amny from other artists trying to lock down one that feels just right for me.
Still have a way to go with drawing but this process of not knowing, fucking around- eureka is troublesome.

That missing step doesn't exist until you need it while Doing something.

GL mate.

>>3666641
This thread is still less pathetic than someone who still uses Sam Hyde meme pics.

>>3666656
sam hyde made it, unlike your stupid ass

How do you even have fun drawing something? It takes me 30 minutes to complete a rushed below average drawing I want and it doesn't even look that good. It doesn't feel like it's worth all the effort.

I did Loomis and whatnot and I still don't understand a thing. I can produce something nice if I spend like 10 hours on it and copy directly from references but I don't have that much time to spare.

Everyone is like "read Loomis" or "study fundamentals" but it all feels too abstract and I can't draw for life if I try to apply them. Right now drawing makes me feel worse, I kinda regret that I even decided to start getting serious.

NGMI is another story but it's like GKMS right now

>>3659501
better to try and fail than to not try at all I guess.. it sounds cliche anon but I believe in you

Started contact with reputable art school, send portfolio, they say they like it, hand in highschool transcript, ask for essay explaing why I was an edgelord, give it to them, few months pass, never hear back, portfolio deadlines happened, call checking if they need anything? Straight to voicemail. Wait about 4 days, call again. Nothing. I didn't get in, did I? Are they "sparing my feelings?" Did I fuck up? Is there something I did wrong? Someone has been stealing my mail, so I don't know if they sent a letter. I've called twice today, and left my second message, was that an error? Should I send an email, or call the admission cell phone number?
I don't want to fuck this up, but I don't know what to do!?

>>3661731
>through the power of resentment towards my friends and family.
FUCK I gotta gather my hatred and my need to show off to people to git gud

>>3650337
dude im a self hating idiot and I still make online friends, just dont be a cunt, join a discord or something and just join in conversation when they talk about something you like or post your draiwing and thanks someone for saying something about it

>>3667215
watch videos by proko, drawing database, vilpuu, hampton, huston, on youtube. Follow along, draw with them, then take the things you learned and draw on your own with reference. Example, you watch a video on gesture and then you spend a few hours using ref doing your own gestures with what you learned, rinse and repeat.

Gesture is action/energy of the figure simplified into flow lines, it serves as a composition guide to place your bricks allowing you to maintain the essence of the figure when placing construction. Construction is your bricks and you want to use as simplified bricks as possible, essentially containing the volumes first of the leg/arm/ribcage, then continuously contain the inner volumes (details).

It does seem abstract at first, but after awhile of just doing it you'll see it helping, it starts making more sense as time goes on and you get better and better.

Write, don't keep it all in your head, writing helps you solve problems as well as remember things, you wouldn't solve a math problem in your head.
Take note of things that help you, take note of anatomy preferences.

>>3667553
Thanks a whole bunch. I'll keep trying

>New Thing captivates your imagination and inspires you a lot
>"hey that's awesome, I'd love to make something like that!"
>...except you don't actually have any good ideas or the discipline to see anything through
>all you have is a desire to make something important with no indication as to what that might be or how to make it
>sit around while the inspiration wastes away because you've got no idea where to direct it and the pressure to perform is too high

>order one pen online
>receive six
>none of them work

What a rollercoaster

>get invited to do a paid drawing workshop by a local art community I'm semi-active within in conjunction with a newly-opened hotel's art event
>accept, let the guy who invited me handle things
>realize that after the preliminary meeting I barely hear from anyone
>it's one week before the event, push them to actually get on track with announcements
>The hotel people got my workshop name wrong, takes them forever to fix it
>None of my art is even featured in the poster so I make them one with a piece I did recently
>I give it to them telling them that we have to upload that night at 7pm simultaneously or nobody will have time to register
>they say they'll do that
>upload it on my Instagram
>the next day, I check that neither the art community IG (guy who invited me runs it) nor the hotel IG has any posts about the workshop
>nobody's replying to my messages about hurrying it up
>Art community guy replies to me after 8 hours and tells me 'hold on the signal here sucks'
>still no upload
I don't have that strong of a reach too and it's this fucking Saturday. I don't know what else to do other than shill as hard as I can at this point.

>>3657463
i wish this was the case for me

>Somehow make first non-artist friends in years
>My desire to improve and post really great stuff suddenly triples
>they'd probably be impressed by my current level work but I want to make really amazing things and be the best I can be

What is this? I was told over and over that I need to surround myself with other artists in order to get motivated and improve more, what the fuck.

> want to be a legendary animator
> want to surpass Disney and ghibli
> can't even draw realism
> can't consistently draw anime
> has tried digital painting and everything made looks nothing like anime or Disney backgrounds
>only stuff that was made by a complete rookie
>recently got ear problems
> making me feel un motivated to make anything
> feel very depressed
> struggles to socially interact with people
> wishes for a relationship where he has someone emtionally close whom to draw with
> feels like they will never be good at art or animation like all the greats
> feels as good as dead
> can't quit making art as its the only thing i know
> though constantly feels like they are not good enough
>feels depressed enough to want to just wanting to listen to sad music or an audio track that is just insults towards myself

>>3668480
>Not wanting to improve for yourself
Ngmi

>>3668480
Yeah I know that feel. I daydream about showing my art to my friends and them being impressed. They pretty much only exist in my imagination though, because I’m a NEET and cut off all contact with them years ago. Even though I know they’ll never see my work it still acts as a motivation somehow

>>3668480
probably you have low self worth in general, and so you hope your art will carry the weight where personality, good looks, prospects etc. are lacking

>>3669516
You gotta use those feelings as motivation to get better Anon. If better art will get you out of that hole fight for it like your life depends on it. Good luck.

>>3666096
Draw for yourself. Theres nothing more satisfying than working on a piece for a long time looking up at it and having this flared up feeling in your chest this burning feeling of excitement and being proud of what you made

>>3646594
why do cishets exist. theres a reason why womens abuse shelters exist

>>3669711
No one cares weirdo

>>3669518
so much bragging about improving for yourself that I'm starting to think these people don't practice what they preach

>>3669619
*sobbing* T-T thank you anon, I have been sleeping a lot recently because I have been feel so sad and and depressed because of everything in the green text. but i'll try taking your advice on board and try converting these feelings into fighting energy. I just want to become a good artist and animator that makes stuff that makes people happy but it feels like the world is against me every time I try to reach my goals or dreams something bad happens to me.

>>3669518
I've been doing that the whole time. It's just I've always been told and heard artists saying that it's vital to surround yourself with other artists to get motivated, to have friends who are also trying to make it, or be part of communities like conceptart.org or whatever. That it really helps.
But now I find that having friends outside of art inspires me more. Maybe it's because I know they'd be impressed with my current level so it makes me want to push things as far as I can and get better, whereas with art friends it's like no matter what I do they'll never be impressed. Like how people here crit absolutely anyone, most art groups I'm part of, people talk shit about everyone, or just don't like people's stuff. I don't know. I'm happy for the extra motivation and the fresh feeling of things, I'm just surprised it goes against advice I've heard so many times.

>>3669534
Nah, see reply above. I also wouldn't have made these friends in the first place if I didn't have charisma, good personality etc.

>>3670252
Good luck anon, you can do it if you keep trying. Don't worry too much if you feel sad sometimes, it comes and goes, and taking breaks to recharge is as important as knowing when to really go for things. Also try to have a regular sleeping schedule, I think oversleeping can make depression etc worse.

>like asking friend for his normie opinion on my stuff
>unless it's porn he doesn't give a shit
thx bruh

>>3646985
hey dude, wanna illustrate my p&p Rule and settings book?

>>3654274
you can do whatever you want on the internet, faggot

>>3668089
I had a similar problem until I got a simple fuckoff notebook to write ideas down the moment I get them. It was like a year ago and now I have a huge backlog of prompts of varying quality to explore and draw. I can now practice with other things I like while keeping project that need the technical skills I don't have yet for later.
I'd really recommend you trying it anon. Simply a notebook that you take everywhere you go.

>>3670421
Well I don't even know what p&p is and kinda busy with real job and uni. Also kinda bad at art. But otherwise it would be fun I think

>my room is really exposed and relatives are always peeking in
>can’t draw nudes, and even when I draw clothed girls I get odd looks
>can’t even draw in my sketchbooks because they might leaf through it one day
>my figure studies suffer for years because of this
>then I got an ipad + pencil
>this means I can draw in my bed, away from prying eyes
>my skill level jumps hugely in a short time
>now I can do all kinds of fun shit with my knowledge of construction and anatomy

Feels good

>>3655928
You should have expected this

>Draw smut
>Nearly everyone I meet are sex crazed furries who keep truing to roleplay with me
>"I love you so much man, can you draw this guy with a huge dick? I love you so much"

This is the future I chose. But drawing porn itself is really fun. There's literally only one friend I made from this who is also actually trying to improve themselves artwise and are a stable person.

I write graffiti. Call it art or shitty scribbles, it doesn't matter to me. I love that there is no goal, no "making it". The only "goal" is to keep doing what you like.
>feels good man

My friend has befriended an industry pro. I got to meet him, and all I could muster was a hello an an introduction. Then I just stood there awkwardly and they said I was heading out. I'm stupid. I wasn't even nervous. I just left on instinct. I'm really stupid.

>>3673228
What industry you do anons mean? the furry industry?

>>3673238
Gaming. He's done work for Riot.

>drawing before art class starts
>it's just a few people who as far as i can tell have literally never drawn before. I don't mind that no one can draw but it's relevant.

>halloween so I'm drawing frankenstien
>looks over my shoulder and sees my drawing
"hey anon that reminds me of something I drew when I was your age. People were so shocked by it and it got such a negative response, I never drew anything like it again"

Am I being petty or was this bitch blatantly insulting me?

>>3673244
Post the drawing.

>>3673250
i had barely started and desu it wasn't great and I was just drawing to kill time. I drew this during that same class for reference

>>3673261
idk why it says desu, i didn't mean to type that. and the drawing wasn't really edgey at all

I'm just so goddamn frustrated with Twitter when it comes to art. Tags are fucking useless, even when it's a slightly trending JP one and I posted some of my art during Japan's afternoon.

I've been stuck at a low upwards crawl of followers in the past 2-3 years, I've been hovering at around 280 followers for months (give or take a 3-5 gain or loss a month).

It's easier with Pixiv, but damn it would be nice to know how to work with Twitter so I can have a bigger footprint.

Even with this stupid complaint, I'll still upload art there and maybe over time maybe stop giving a fuck or until Twitter finally dies due to its losing finances and SJW implosion.

>>3673282
Why even use Twitter at all Most people use Instagram anyway, right? (I know it suck but it's probably the best for popularity)

I finally decided to post some stuff online. I started on Reddit cause I'm so depressed it would crush me to get mocked (I can take criticism but I suck so much I would probably get destroyed here).

Now I got basically nothing, but about 20.likes. I know this is absolutely nothing. But I'm so self deprecating that I'm freaking out even for that. I feel like a total hack for getting appreciation even if it's some 12 year old kid that just started drawing.
NGMI, depression is a bitch.
But I truly love drawing so I have to solve this, I just don't know how.

>>3673340
I barely see any Japanese artists on there. That and the series I draw for have fucking nothing on Insta, except maybe a few game screenshots from months ago

>>3673360
Solve it by continuing to forcing yourself out of your comfort zone until you can upload to any platform without giving a shit.

>>3673263
That doesn't sound insulting. She was just discussing. You'd be surprised what trivial things people will be shocked by or consider edgy or upsetting. And the acronym for 'to be honest' filters to 'desu'.

SCUUUUUUUUM
GAAAAAAAANG

Finally have a good dream that I was hired to animate a mahou shoujo anime. And as the dream was trying to hang onto itself my brain mind said "fill" as the pages were flashing before my eyes like I could draw like a pro in my dream and then my damn mutt bitch dog woke me up. God damn it.

>>3647105
I don't understand why you interfere at all. You should of just kept walking. No need to involve yourself in other peoples affairs.

>>3673282
ur a bitch, fuck you

>>3664601
fuck you

>>3664636
fuck you

>>3665705
fuck you

>>3665749
fuck you

How do you even have fun drawing?

I have a bunch of characters from a really long time ago that I had to get rid of my only visual references for and now my art has devolved to the point where I can't draw them acceptably again
my children are dead and I let them die

>tfw low blood pressure
>tfw can't feel like shit and can't draw decently if i forget to take my meds
Shit sucks.

>>3672508
I feel you so much on this. I love drawing cute girls with big titties but holy shit is it impossible to find well-adjusted people to talk with in this circle. Nobody is chill- they're either a socially-inept roleplayer, a complete pussy, or both at once

>>3672508

>>3675667
You two should be friends. Boom bada bing.

>finally found my style and became confident in my art
>already boomer
Is it too late?

>>3672508
>>3675667
>>3675770

A unit of chill fuckers drawing lewd cute girls? I want in

>>3664474
>/ic/retins still think the contemporary art world is just conceptualism and abstract expressionism and THAT is the reason why will their Kinkadean sensibilities remain unappreciated
can't make this shit up

>>3673360
I know how you feel. I have a tumblr that I think about posting my art on but I always delete the drafts. I’m always nervous none of my followers want to see my art

>>3675926
>/ic/retins still think the contemporary art world is just conceptualism and abstract expressionism
In my country it certainly is. If you don't do modern "art" degeneration, profs won't recognize you as an artist here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdbjzs2_1rY

>>3675941
The only thing you should be nervous about is not creating enough.
If people don't want to see your art, they should just not look at it. No need to delete your stuff. You are not a professional, so nobody will demand from you to be perfect.

>>3646690
still waiting

>Need to increase output to generate more exposure
>Life keeps throwing curveballs
>Have achieved about 20% of my goal and it's already November
It's actually an improvement from last year (it's been a rough couple of years) but it still feels pathetic and I can't be happy about it.

>>3676007
hey, you're improving anon, that's the most important part! and please don't make the mistake of trying to place your worth in your work. never being happy with what you produce gives you the drive to always improve but if you let that also define yourself, you'll never be happy in general ;-;
please be careful and take care of yourself

Help me win free spray by liking my art on this page https://www.instagram.com/p/BqFQIMjg3sG/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1os2m7t758wuf

>>3675637
Why do their smiles look so fake? Is it the eyes?

I'm so tired of always struggling, so much stuff just seems to come to others naturally (and it does) but everything I do feels like a fight.
Just constantly working on something, working as hard as I can and not seeing results or improvement.
I just want to stop, just for a day where I don't have to think about "I need to get this or that done", just a pause without any of that.

I recently had a very vivid dream which lasted a very long time, multiple years; I was a tiny robot living in a big city, spent awhile in the rain before I found some job at an office but because I was a robot the humans dumped their work on me.
I worked long hours and extremely hard, people assumed I could do it without consideration, but I was eventually promoted.
Woke up shortly after, I'd slept 8 hours but it felt like 2, god I hope I never dream again.

WHY DO I FUCKING SUCK

>>3675941
Thing is, were you ever satisfied of your art?
Then you're one of those persons that is never satisfied of his art and it could always be like this.
Post anything, worse case scenario you're a noboyd and nobody cares, best case scenario you'll get likes and it'll boost your opinion of yourself a little bit and you'll be motivate to post more.

>>3676662
Yes, ask the question to yourself. Look at your last drawing and objectively ask yourself why it sucks. Compare it to someone better and ask for opinions if you can't.

>Just constantly working on something, working as hard as I can and not seeing results or improvement.
Same thing, analyze why. It's just problem solving. And if you suck at a given part of drawing, pick it apart, try various tutorials on Youtube so you can find one where the method resonates with you, then work on it. Let's say it's faces. Don't do just one face.Fill a page with as much tries as you can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

I hate all the artists on my fetish and the community that enables their shit.
They're all just above the average DA anime fanartist but they think they're hot shit because there are so little standards on this community, no matter how bad of an artist you are paypigs will come running to you and drops hundreds of dollars on art that is ugly as sin an in any other context will not worth a tenth of what they pay.
This has inflated their egos beyond belief, this people is so full of themselves they will never get better and just go around being douches to whoever they can.
This fetish is a fucking curse to me.

>>3676839
what fetish, anon

I'm having to confront the idea that for whatever reason I might not be capable of becoming anything more than I am now. It feels like nothing sticks; every day I'm starting over from 0. It feels that there is nothing in me worth expressing, and that what there is hidden away is buried too deep to ever be exhumed. If I were capable of improving to a satisfactory level surely I would have done so by now.

There are many personal reasons any artist wants to be good, but one of mine was simply because I wanted to show others that if my inarticulate, dyslexic ass can do it then they can, too. That anybody can. In that sense I've failed more than just myself so far. I've failed all those hypothetical kids and people I'd liked to have been able to teach and encourage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihYYnEXs8XA

>>3649758

Don't give up, lad-I'm still rootin' for you. I'm sure there are others as well.

>See other people's art that's better than mine
>Instead of feeling inspired and motivated I just feel envious, hatefilled and sad
>Spend the last hour of the day just weeping that I didn't do as much as I should have in the day
>Have no idea how to put myself out there online and because of this I never do
>Never charged for a commission so I do all requested artwork for free
>mfw this is all my fault and I don't know how to escape this Hell I made for myself

>>3676839
What fetish

>>3670252
Diffrent anon here dont worry about too many things just find and draw what you love and let it show in your work aslong as you're doing your best and making progress thats all that matters in the end be good at the things you love.

>>3677813
>>3676899
Do you really want to know? Why?

>>3677924
It can't be as bad as mine...

>can kinda see the differences between faces but can't put it on paper and get any kind of likeness

WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING HARD
Sometimes I see there's huge differences in faces but when I try to reproduce those they're so subtle I don't even know how

>>3677924
more knowledge is always appreciated/you told your story well enough and I'm curious about the details/bilking money from idiots is always worthwhile/If there is more good artwork made then the world is better for it, such is the philosophy of karma

>>3678576
>>3677925
You guys asked for this
pic related is supposedly the best artist this fetish has to offer.

>>3677028
I believe in you. Thanks for the song.

>>3651089
Tough shit anon just draw the damn bird porn if you want to eat

>have a mutual who favs all my art, even if it's shit
>decide to come out of my shell a bit and start commenting on their new submissions
>just normal shit like "the background looks really nice" or whatever
>they immediately stop interacting with me

I feel like I fucked up, but at the same time I have no idea what I did wrong. I was just about to ask them if they wanted to do an art trade.

>>3679263
Being mutuals with somebody is complicated, it's a new type of relationship in our society.
Don't feel bad about yourself and just accept you'll never know what happen.

I quit actively drawing (and when I did, it was painting and using sight-size method) and damn, it's really hard trying to get back on the saddle. Seeing how good other people have become in the meanwhile makes it hurt more. No one to blame but myself, though.

>>3646594
i remember the first "art feels" thread and how we all agreed it was for attention seeking faggot 14 year olds

really shows how the demographic of this board has changed

>>3679263
Ask them directly about it instead of wonder. Yes, you said they won't really talk to you, but if they'd respond, at least you'd have an answer as to why

>>3679919
Dont do this

>>3678625
At least it's not diaper furry

>>3679263
Your mutual might be overly sensitive. That or the way you commented made them awkward?
I have a mutual I previously like and comment their posts until I realize she talks like a 13 yr old in an "OOOOHHH MYYY GOOOOOD" kind of way despite being 25. I lessed my interaction with her ever since. Too obnoxious for me

>>3679508
If it contains things in one thread instead of everyone making their own then it's a good thing

>>3648889
im so relieved i outgrew this train of thought. people who see children as a threat are often insufferable cunts when you get to know them

>>3678625
Yep.
Not as bad as mine...

>>3680050
What can be worse than diapers?
>>3679943
Like if that made a difference.

>>3680050
scat autotune?

>>3679919
I think that would make it worse.

>>3679953
I think the 'creepiest' thing I said was "happy to hear you're able to draw again!" in response to her saying she got her tablet fixed. Is that a weird thing to say to someone you don't talk to much? We're both 20 y.o. girls.

>>3680353
She's probably really awkward or not good with social interaction.
I take a long time to warm up to people and I'm never able to start a deeper conversation than "I like your art" and thinking about talking to others in private makes me feel kind of anxious.
I say give it some time and don't worry too much about it, I'm sure there are no ill feelings behind it, everyone has issues.

>>3677807
>2 days and 14 hours ago
I'm not sure if you'll see this, but go offline for a day- visit a library, practice, clean your place, anything but use a computer.

>Have no idea how to put myself out there online and because of this I never do
>Never charged for a commission so I do all requested artwork for free
>mfw this is all my fault and I don't know how to escape this Hell I made for myself
Though this seems simple enough when you get back- politely refuse requests/trades you're not interested in, post good examples of your work as an example of what you can do, and steal your price sheet from an equivalent or slightly better artist if someone pings you.

>>3676635
>I'm so tired of always struggling, so much stuff just seems to come to others naturally (and it does) but everything I do feels like a fight.
It's supposed to be a fight for everyone, anon. Relax. Only reason I improved without a problem was because I didn't give a shit about my drawings and acknowledged that I need to be bad to get better. I knew my drawings were placeholders for better shit.

If you are able to change your minset to realizing this is a temporary stage and that there are no reasons to stress about it you'll glide trough. I promise. The challenge is just finding the will to remind yourself that. If it's possible.

>>3646594
Now that I get how to construct I have a long painful grind of figures full of fuckup and shitty drawings in front of me but I can't quite get into it even though it's really exciting.
Even after eating a few artbooks from Loomis & co it's uncomfortable getting out of my comfort zone.

>>3676635
this is a nice little story. Why not turn it into a short comic?

I hate how I know how to improve but don't put in enough time into improving. I know all the pitfalls now and have laid out the road from failing all these years and yet it's like I'm afraid of getting out of being mediocre. It's like I like being bad.

I want to draw porn, not just to make money but also as a fun way of improving, but I'm worried that it clashes with my Christian heritage.

>>3682072
Ask your pastor.

>>3681785
If you didn't really put the time into practice, you probably don't know all the pitfalls, only less than 5% of them I'd wager.
Books and instructors can only tell you so much, there's an entire universe out there for you to explore full of majorly awkward mistakes you would too embarrassed to even recall, abstract pitfalls you can even barely begin to verbally describe with human language, and a million of small ticks and habits that can either destroy or rejuvenate your flow.
So go and practice, hopefully this will give you more reasons to.

How can I draw anything if I have nothing to say?
Anyone half my age has probably seen, learn and feel more.

>>3683864
i draw cute things an porn most of the time, not everything has to have meaning, jus make stuff that you wanna see

>>3683868
I guess. This is probably not very healthy and I feel like I have a weird relationship with the imagery of women in general (the thing I draw the most) since I had very relationships in my life, so it kinda makes me frustrated. And keeping on drawing this would feed the circle. I suppose it's just not a drawing problem, the only way for me would be to go out more and try to get to know women in general.

Yeah, I'm putting a lot of weight on this I suppose, but in a way I think that art is feeding my mind and the other way around.

I'm lost, depressed and ESL so I'm not making a lot of sense right now I suppose.
But I suppose my brain is trying to tel me something about art and how I use it/how I should/what I'm running away from.

>>3648889
Anon, that's a 2 year difference, that's nothing.

I hate that I'm not improving as fast as I want. I do studies, I do figure drawing, I practice my rendering, but I'm still leagues behind my friends who are younger than me. I'm still behind people my own age. I should be better than I am now. My current art looks like a 17 drew it, not a fucking 21 year old whose been drawing digitally since 2008.

>>3646594
this thread seems to be way more popular. might as well shitpost here. whenever I draw i just get so fucking mad. this week i was at a lecture, and i thought to myself "why not" and decided to doodle something. a wave of negative emotions just furiously washed over me for the majority of the 2 hours i was sitting here. it keeps happening. it is painful to draw. i fucking hate it. i hate being a fucking idiot. i hate being uncontrollably angry at things that shouldn't mean anything to me. why am i so stupid?

>>3679508
i don't even browse /ic/ anymore. no clue why you are still here.

>>3650559
this. it doesn't work. it is just distracting when you just want to concentrate on something

I love to design characters and I really want to tell stories about them, but for some reason the only thing I can ever draw them doing is standing around. I can never seem to come up with ideas for interesting interactions or events, so I don't have anything to build my stories out of

Developing their world/personalities/relationships feels like an infinite pit of arbitrary questions with equally arbitrary answers(what is x character's favorite food? Do they have a good relationship with their grandparents? Do they know how to swim? Etc etc etc etc). I have no clue where to start because I can't develop my characters without knowing about where they live, but the scope of the setting is determined by the plot, and I can't invent a plot without knowing the characters- it's a big catch 22.

I'm scared I'll just end up being one of the millions of artists that waxes poetic about making great stories but never actually manages to make a single fucking thing

Does anyone ever go through occasional "clean-ups" of their following lists? On twitter especially?

Tonight I finally decided to unfollow a ton of people because my timeline felt like it was getting too clogged. I have to really stop the habit of following every artist who's work I really like. With the way twitter's algorithm works, I'll eventually see their art anyway because of all the people that I'm following liking their work.

At least this way I will only see their art without the million blogposts about their personal life/food/pets/etc.

/blogpost

>>3672508
M-Mothballs?

>>3684301
Make a world around shitty undeveloped characters you don't care about, and then develop meaningful characters inside it.

The fact that out there there's plenty of people who can spend their entire days drawing and practicing just pisses me off
When I was in HS I could happily spend 8hrs/day doing art but now I've got 500 different things on my mind I NEED to get done and anytime I spend drawing they're always in the back of my mind nagging me.

If I was born a woman I probably could've just taken art at uni, if only to have hours of self-study time and stress-free classes, then just married for financial support.
But I don't have that freedom, I have to secure a future for my family because I love them, so I had to take engineering and now I'm already in too deep to stop.
At least I know that the years will pass by in a flash, which is both comforting and scary in it's own way

Got a tablet in 2015 and I still feel like a toddler. At best I can use SAI because of the built in stabilizer but I don't know half the stuff I can achieve. If I use another program it all feels slippery and I get confused on what to do with all the options just laid in front of me because I also barely know any technical terminology and I get intimidated by it.
Kill me.
At least my lines got more consistent and I don't need to crank the stabilizer so high up like when I started. It means nothing I know, but I noticed that the other day and it felt kinda nice.

>>3684442
>I have to secure a future for my family because I love them, so I had to take engineering and

You chose all these responsibilities. They're your fault. You could change your situation at any time, but you won't. You'll continue bitching on /ic/ with the other pussies, and you will live with bitter regret until you die.

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>>3683876
I was being facetious originally, but that sounds genuinely interesting. Have you thought about doing a comic about that?

>>3684301
I'm playing this by ear, but it sounds like your cast lacks agency- self motivation is what makes villains cooler than the heroes and the reason everyone will bitch about strong female protagonists until the end of time.
Add in a character who's overly violent, or forms grudges too easily, or is based around a simple but subversive goal like stealing a priceless treasure.

>what is x character's favorite food? Do they have a good relationship with their grandparents?
I agree with you, this sounds like minutia. However, you should be able to know how a strong character responds to *situations*- like losing a card game, or the plot artifact

apparently everyone else
>when i draw i lose sense of time and boom 8 hours of drawing haha!
me
>ok i definitely got some hours in today, i feel exhausted! let's check manictime
>1.30h
W
H
Y

>>3684721
Can't help if the problem is actually fatigue but if you're just waiting out the clock what about a big, continuous project?

Though it could be discomfort. If applicable, standard advice is to sit with a neutral posture with a clipboard so you're not staring into your lap for hours

>>3646594

My feeewings my feewings
im saaaad mommy im saad :'(((
i cant draw as good as i want so saaaad boohoo

:'(
one times i tried to draw but i didnt like it im saaad so saaad :'''(((

>>3663279
lunatic!!!

>>3685153
No, I think it's more like a motivation problem plus poor "endurance". I hate that seemingly everyone just enjoys drawing to a point they lose themselves in it, but I have never drawn a whole lot in one session before, instead preferring to put in a handful of time just so I wouldn't skip a day then go off to play vidya or whatever. And perhaps that built a bad habit that carried off now that I am taking art more seriously
Now I'm more focused on getting good but I don't look forward to drawing yet. God I wish I could be like those people that push hours upon hours every day and enjoy it, all that mileage and gains, while also having fun.
Instead I alt tab like a motherfucker all day, and get demoralized constantly from lack of skill/ideas. Today I clocked in like 1.30 hours of drawing and 6+ in firefox.
At least I occasionally push to 2-3 hours some days so that's nice, most time I have ever drawn in my life.

>>3684567
>I was being facetious originally, but that sounds genuinely interesting. Have you thought about doing a comic about that?

This actually sparks some sort of vague ideas in me. I thought about making a webcomic I wouldn't tell anyone about IRL, something very simple just to test how people react to it. I might actually transform those thoughts into some kind of viable idea for a webcomic, thanks.

>>3685182
>Now I'm more focused on getting good but I don't look forward to drawing yet. God I wish I could be like those people that push hours upon hours every day and enjoy it
Adderall is your answer, assuming you don't have an addictive personality. Tweakers will spend 10 hours cleaning their kitchen floor with a toothbrush, loving every minute of it. Repetitive, mind-numbing tasks are weirdly enjoyable on stimulants.

>>3684344
Nah, sorry m8

>Create account to submit t-shirt design to website
>Keep getting excited thinking they emailed back
>Keeps being emails about new merch, sales, etc they send everyone

I just wanna cry because things just keep falling apart. I could be a lot better than I am and I know it, but every time I commit to being better I get exhausted by all the new responsibilities I’ve taken on.
>draw every day, anything from fundies, completed stuff to post, assets for bigger projects like animation, and passion project concept art
>post every day to instagram
>manage social media(it’s more than just throwing your stuff up there unfortunately)
In addition to:
>College
>work
>gym
>relationship
I get overwhelmed and default to the behaviors that give me that “flow state feeling,” which is literally just playing video games. I can’t even be the kind of person I want to be for 2 WEEKS before I fail to be strong. So in the end I drop the ball on everything. I’m not even writing the script for my passion project right now because I feel completely skewered.
Right now I’m getting over a fever and I’ve cut down my responsibilities to just work, relationship, classes, and client commissions. It’ll be fine I guess, I just feel like all my energy is sapped and I can’t do more than one or two things a day.
I’m tired of just coasting on the good graces of life, I want to actually be and do something amazing for once. I feel like I have so much to prove.

>>3685737
>realize design is shit and fix it
how pathetic does that look to them?

>>3685888
>>3685737
It needs to be submitted desperately as a fix so they will see my mistake.

>>3685182
Don't got any advice for the main problem, but your side issues are manageable- internet addiction can be managed by physically flipping the switch to turn it off (feel free to turn it back on whenever you want, though- the effort to visit Cracked or whatever keeps it from being the path of least resistance), and you can maintain ideas by writing shit down as you think of it through the day. Or keeping dice and a list of concepts around.

https://blog.xkcd.com/2011/02/18/distraction-affliction-correction-extensio/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8juByHPn3EU

I wish I kept the link, but there was also a youtube video about being more productive and devoting more time to hobbies, he specifically mentioned the XKCD guy and keeping easy entertainment locked behind setup rituals, but the closest I can find is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP1AmDRhoas

>but I don't look forward to drawing yet
>get demoralized constantly from lack of skill/ideas
Just to be clear about what I said earlier, when I said 'big, continuous project' I meant 'do a sequence' not 'do a vista'. At the Mountains of Madness is a short story from the 1930s, there's all sorts of shit in the public domain and free online that you can reinterpret or illustrate or variously engage with

>>3685737
>>3685888
I submitted probably ~150+ designs to various different websites. It took me around ~25 submissions until I got my first print. I've sub-sequentially gotten many, many more prints on different sites.

If this is your first time doing this, then do not give up after your first submission. There's a big difference between designing for a t shirt and just drawing something for the web / print. It takes a while to understand what makes an appealing t-shirt design vs an illustration. The more you do it, the better you'll get.

What site did you submit it to? Sometimes they can take months before they get back to you.

>>3646747
Gesture is probably one of the most important techniques since a lot of what gesture can do is imply construction without keeping the "scaffold" too rigid to build from. It also just allows for fast workflow. Tbh if I had to draw a fuck tons of spheres and cylinders every time I wanted to draw something, I'd have hung myself ages ago.

>>3686257
It was the yeetee specifically. They ask if it was submitted anywhere else before. Is there an amount of time you should wait before submitting to another site the same design? Thank you for the info about how long it took you. I had made a christmas sweater design because hey lots of places have those and its a fun thing to make then submitted it at like 3am for some reason and realized it was kind of a mess.

>>3686281
The Yetee is great! I've had about ~7-8 (I think) prints with them over the years. Really great crew, and closed Yetee Artists facebook group is really helpful (they have weekly WIP threads and all sorts of discussions on useful shirt insights).

A few thoughts:
+ The shortest amount of time I've heard back from them is ~ 1.5 weeks. The longest is probably ~2 months. Sometimes they forget to go through and respond to submissions. They do slip up sometimes. I think they send a formal rejection if they aren't gonna take it, so you know for sure.

+ It might be a little late for Christmas sweater submissions. They have a backlog of sweater designs, which need to go up for sale, be printed & then shipped soon, because December is right around the corner.

+ I'd wait a few weeks before submitting it to a different place.

Happy to answer any more questions about them.

>>3686294
That timeframe is helpful and its good to know they will send a message on rejection so im not just waiting. when would be a good time to submit Christmas designs to shirt places? 2-3 months before? This one might be dumb but do you have to use your real name on the shirt posts (on yeetee at least)? Should I just make an account with my real name instead of my screenname and resubmit it there?

I apparently have herpes which finally decided to show itself after 4 years. The virus stays format for years. Now I'm in great pain i can barely walk and to depressed to draw. If kill the bitc h who have this to me right after killing myself. If only I knew.

>>3686346
>After 4 years
You probably gave it to people then

>>3686403
I was a virgin and played with an unclean woman.

>>3686434
Deserved it for consorting with roasties

Anyone else get really bad anxiety from watching other people's work?... As a professional I just can't deal with all this competition. I feel like quitting altogether.

>>3686322
>when would be a good time to submit Christmas designs to shirt places?
I'd say ~2 months before. Late October, early November. It still might be in time, but it's cutting it real close when you factor in production & shipping times.

>Should I just make an account with my real name instead of my screenname and resubmit it there?
Lots of people use some sort of handle or pseudonym. You can absolutely do so if you want. There's no real downside or upside to doing this IMO. I personally use my real name because my overall freelance illustration (which is under my real name) endeavors are pretty similar. I don't mind the crossover.

>>3685739
>bushcraftblack@gmail.com
It's a throwaway email, would you like to talk?

When I step back for a moment and see just how bad I actually am, it makes me not want to draw door days at a time. I makes practice feel useless. It makes me not even want to draw things I want to draw. Seeing artists better than me who draw similar subject matter makes it worse. I know there are a lot of bad DeviantArtists but they are far above me in terms of confidence. I'd give anything to have the motivation that they do to continue posting everyday.

>>3686257
>>3686322
You both sound knowledgeable, are there are any t-shirts like this? Dash of colour on one shoulder looks really nice

>>3652916
How is it a matter of time? Are you seriosly expecting people to just read through the uninteresting stuff just because you promise them that it gets interesting latter?
If what's going to happen is so good then why not just start with that in a different story?

>>3668089
well fuck this is me
i guess im gonna go do something now
dont really have any pressure to perform except my own maybe ill suppress it a little

>>3675548
Second death can be reverted. Rebirth them.

I'm a very good artist.

>>3686541
Yeah, I have a massive ego, and none of the skill to back it up. If I start drawing something, I'll probably finish it. If I look at what I draw, or anything I make at all, I can see a thousand things I'm not happy with and all I feel is raw disappointment for not living up to my own contrived standards. I can see a million things wrong with it and know there's a million things wrong with it I can't see. Then it just becomes a crushing weight for a while until like a week later and I decide I want to make something again.

I can't keep going on waiting a week to get off my sorry ass.

>>3686543
>are there are any t-shirts like this?
There are. Though they have absolutely nothing to do with sites like The Yetee. What you attached would likely be some custom made jersey for a team. Most shirt sites revolve around printing on a ~12" x 16" space on the chest of a normal, regular shirt - nothing fancy or too elaborate.

>>3686541
It's not about your worth. It's about the worth of what you produce. Can if tind an audience? Aim for this. And some niches entries level are kinda low. Some webcomics, porn, etc

I've tried probably everything for art friends but they aren't worth while it feels like you can't make serious art friends no one gives a shit about improving or talking about life/actually being friends so you just end up in chatrooms or calls doing nothing

>>3686674
>Most shirt sites revolve around printing on a ~12" x 16" space on the chest of a normal, regular shirt
Well shit, back to Old Reliable

>>3686452
If I have to variants of a design (for example 1 christmas sweater with full pixels and one of the same design but its been made to look stitched) should I submit each one seperatly or just submit the stitched one and say I also have the non stitched version saved? Same idea for colored variant options, etc.

>>3687002
*two or more variants of a design

>>3653693
It's on purpose. I have no idea what it's meant to be though.

>>3646594
I found nsfwfag on twitter yesterday
his artstyle was mind numbgingly boring and uninteresting to look at, all of his shit looked like indistinguishable 2d stickers with tits and yet.. I still managed to find some of his posts saying
>"I drew that for a commision!"
I'm sad AND angry.
fuck being a sfwfag

>>3685739
Cut the gym and relationship and we're practically the same bro.
>still barely releasing 1 artwork every 2 months

>manic episode
>get a vision
>start an extremely ambitious painting
>nothing is impossible. every hard thing is just a lot of easy things
>halfway into the painting mania is gone
>almost get kicked from job for fucking up the paperwork and blacking out since I couldn't sleep for days on mania
>can't draw
>don't have motivation to eat
>hit gym
>for what lol, I won't make gains if I don't eat
>can't be arsed to go out
>can't be arsed to wash dishes and cook
>in the back of my head I know that I can do it, but i don't do it

Fuck

>bad at drawing
Feels bad