/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3678325
why would you pick a sexual loli as the OP

>>3678329
He's based and redpilled.

>>3678329
cringe and bluepilled

New thread same me.

>>3678345
Legs are pretty far apart, arms are noodly, eyes and nose throw the whole face off. If you're going for moe, push the features down and make them smaller. Neoteny is key.

>>3678329
Why not?

2018

Not sure how to do the background.
It seems everything I try seems jarring or out of place

>>3678404
When you go into drawing something, do you usually go in knowing what the background will look like? I find that doing so makes the process a little easier, as the character and the environment would connect with each other much easier.

>>3678403
First actually cute face

>>3678404
Play less R6S and focus more on learning perspective.

>>3678404
fail to plan and u plan to fail :^)

>>3678403
I like how chonky the fingers and toes are in Kyle's pics.

>>3678403
keep it up kyle des

How do you fine tune brush and wacom settings for yourself, is it just trial and error until you get something that you're content/confy with? Or is there some kind of method you can use to know how to adjust the pressure curve for yourself? How did you anons get the settings you're now using?

>>3678415
Still me dud. Love you.

>>3678447
just go with default

Wip, trying a different style.

>>3678447
Yeah you just need to continually adjust it until it feels right. What program are you using? If you use CSP, the pressure curve customization is a lot more flexible and can even automatically generate an optimal curve for you based on your pressure habits

>>3678860
Love everything from the neck down, but the way the head meets the neck is so disjointed and jarring it doesn't feel like a stylistic choice.

>>3678325

>>3678860
Saved

>>3678453
Blog?

I'm done for now

Meh,

I’m bored with this already

>>3679053
CUTE CUTE CUTE BLOG BLOG BLOG

>>3678364
Thanks anon! I will try to keep it in mind from now on.

>>3679064
looks like clipart. congrats i guess

>>3679149

>>3679149
>>3679159
gives me vibes of the anime kaiba. nice!

>>3678325
oh man, my girl got in the op

These are mandragoras i have designed for a game. So just tell me how i could improve this haha

Kill me

>>3679196
actually i just wanna be a better artist in general

perspective is hard

any tips before line art please

>>3679196
They're cute, why are they holding hands? You'll get your game rated M anon!

>>3679213
hehe youre not the first to ask that question

>>3678325
one day ill draw something that will be in the OP

>>3679225
Me too, but not really

>>3678434
This
How do I do that, what's the ratio to, say "idealproportions" ?

>>3678453
>>3679179

Blooog

>>3679004
something not quite anime

>>3679200
It's not bad, you've improved decently

>>3679211
It's so broken. Mostly her arms. Don't bother with line art yet, just redraw her. I don't think you're ready for exaggerated body parts yet since you have very little grasp of anatomy. You got nervous with her neck/back and just failed to draw it. You will never be able to put down line art if you don't have a clear sketch. The redline is super messy because I had to deconstruct everything. Sorry for crushing your big booty dreams but right now you need to work on basic anatomy. You're ambitious to try perspective, that's admirable.

>>3679200
Favorite thing in the thread so far, nice dubs lad.

>>3679211
>>3679257
Oh, I just realized the left elbow is supposed to be pointed back at the viewer, I see. I wasn't sure what you were trying to do with it.

>>3679179
blog please?

>>3678453
gimme ur blog please

>>3679257
Yea I know I'm not ready for perspective cause my basic anatomy is lacking but my whole goal in drawing is to go for exaggeration, and doing the normal proportions gets boring.

Thanks for the red line though, I just can't find a way to enjoy normal proportions without getting the feeling to exaggerate it.

Rise n grind hehe xd

>>3679285
You're goal is a goal because it's what you will do in the end, not on the journey towards it. You will never get to where you want to be if you never properly draw anatomically correct humans first. It will always be abundantly clear to people viewing your work if you continue this way. Your drawing is an extreme example of this.

You're not not ready for perspective, you're not ready for exaggeration. If you aren't willing to face your issues are draw non broken humans then you should stick to watching porn instead of drawing it. You will never get anywhere except for symbol drawing asses with this mentality.

>>3679301
Comfy Moebius

>>3679283

>>3679301
very cool looking

>>3679312
how do I into render? I only do cell shading like >>3679242

>>3679411
Stop thinking of your drawing as 2D, imagine light and forms wrapping around your drawings.

>>3679179
i'm proud of your girl

Bangs

>>3679448
draw more of the alligator slut pls

>>3679474
not them obviously but i was just about to draw some fanart of her

>>3679476
>>3679474
>alligator slut
Is this a new bandwagon thing?

>>3679480
i just like the character/comic she's from, i probably wasn't gonna post it outside of here for feedback, most things i draw don't feel worth posting on social media

>>3679476
i can't wait for that fanart pls post it when you are done anon

I only made a few small changes.
I promise I won't post it anymore unless it's finished. I just feel stuck. I can never get past this stage with most of my drawings. I usually get burnt out or lose motivation to push it further. Whenever I start to refine my sketch with a new layer for line work, forms and edges seem to lose its meaning. It comes out more awkward than if I just left it as a sketch. I turn it from something that may have potential to DA tier trash. I really need advice on improving what I have as well as taking steps to develop/refine it further. Is sinking hours and hours slowly placing each line until it looks somewhat accurate my only option?
When I do these kind of drawings, I already sense that they'll end up mediocre. It's like I'm turning into an artist I don't want to be. Honestly, I don't want to make stuff this "realistic" all the time. I want to be able to have that skill, but I also want to draw more stylized and simplified figures. Maybe it really comes down to copying other artists. My artistic decision making changes on the fly when I'm working from imagination, and I never know what to settle on. I wish I had more, patience, consistency, and guidance.

>>3679535
>I already sense that they'll end up mediocre.
No one ever got good at art without first being shit.

The fact you can point out mediocrity means that you are critical enough to know what needs to change. I, too, struggled a lot with finishing pieces, because I would get disheartened with the result halfway through. This is unique to artists, I think.

No carpenter looks at half a house frame and says "wow this is shit, im not going to finish", or a dishwasher looks at a half clean pot, and goes "wow thatll never be clean".

>I wish I had more, patience, consistency, and guidance.

The fact you know whats wrong is the biggest step towards making it. This is the part of the skill that separates the boys from the men.

Finish this piece, and give it your all, have pictures from your favourite artists up as reference for stuff you dont know, i dont care if you copy the face or some shit, or copy how an artist does linework.

Mileage and being critical of yourself is where the biggest leaps come from.

Finish that fucking gay ass titty picture, and keep working on it until you look at it and see nothing wrong. You dont even need to post it, just dont accept mediocrity.

I redrew the men in >>3679301 like 9 times over the course of 5 hours until i was happy with them.

No go draw that shit faggot, and make it the best drawing you've ever done.

and then the next drawing with be even better

thats how u climb.

>>3679312
>>3679257
>you will never have your big booty dreams destroyed by a superior artist

Why live?

>>3679448
You like Seth Mcghee, huh?

>>3679643
not the anon who drew that but seth mcghee is based

>>3679652
You haven't seen him just be himself and talk, huh? He did a podcast that was the art equivalent of two baboons scratching their asses, it was just two guys going "uh, like, that's deep" or "idk I just do it" or "You know I never thought about it like that, that is deep".

>>3679301
reminds me of the submachine games dude.

I don't know how to make these designs to look appealing. It feels too been there/done that, but I don't know what direction to take them in.

>>3679702
EW EW EW EW

>>3679702
Face too big, head too small. Its out of balance. Balance is appeal.

>>3679707
My bad, the head is fine, the face is just huge

>>3679668
yeah the podcast was a kinda unsatisfying i thought he was going to go super into detail about his process but he never does. i guess he takes a more carefree aproach to making art then and just goes of his gut but that doesn't explain how he got gud if that's the case.

>>3679704
Thank you very much for your incredibly helpful input.

>>3679707
Will try that, gonna edit, thanks. Yeah, I feel the head is ok but face may indeed be too big. I appreciate it. Do you think these other eye shapes may work better?

>>3679709
Also, I fucking hate that greeeel guy, he drives me up the fucking wall. greeeel's "Personality" is cringe and "unironic irony", which is quite the combo.

>>3679563
This chart is wrong btw, it should hit bottom at expert.

>>3679715
the more slanted ones are interesnting, i'm starting to like it

>>3679715

>>3679702
>don't know how to make these designs to look appealing
maybe stop drawing nigglets for a change?

>>3679702
Negroid features are inherently pretty unappealing. Make them less...."pronounced" and detailed and simplify the eyes, mouths and nose.

>>3679744
edgy

>>3679740
Thank you, though I didn't really focus on drawing correctly at this time, since I'm just exploring atm. I appreciate it, great ref as well.

>>3679738
Yeah I think I like those way more as well.

>>3679744
>>3679748
I feel sorry for you guys.

>>3679752
>Liking niggers

>>3679733
I haven't seen greel's stuff outside of the seth podcast but he didn't have much a personality so I don't think I will ever listen to anything else of his. his personality just felt like listening to someone who is your everyday average joe.

>>3679760
>being a trash human

>>3679744
>>3679748
>every day im reminded that /pol/ incels are just as back as sjw cucks baka

>>3679752
you should be focusing on drawing it correctly every time

>>3679786
Not when I'm doing quick exploration sketches, no. I'm in the process of designing, looking at different characteristics, proportions etc. My goal is to be fast and explore 100 ideas, instead of 10. I'll start refining once I get to the point I'm narrowing down.

>>3678995
photoshop, its a bit hard to adjust, cause when I try out different settings I always feel like i'm drawing slightly different because I am paying attention to it. But interesting that csp has a built in pressure optimize feature.

>>3679790
>Not when I'm doing quick exploration sketches, no.

yes, actually. you should be able to explore 100s of ideas but also explore them correctly. you should be comfortable enough with the knowledge that it becomes second nature instead of limiting your speed to 10 drawings and checking the books every 15 seconds

>>3679793
Well duh, but I don't have that level of draftmanship or knowledge of anatomy yet. Drawing a face correctly takes me a long time. So yeah, I'll keep practicing anatomy as I go, but I sure as hell am not going to bother with it when doing 30 different iterations of something, with a deadline looming over my head. That's just common sense.

>>3679800
"common sense" makes for a common artist
and if youre doing 30 iterations then just get it right the first time and then copy it 29 times

think,boy, think

>>3679803
Copy-pasting would mean working with the same proportions over and over, literally how is that exploration when doing character design.

>>3679806
you just said you dont have the level of anatomy to follow the rules and if you cant follow the rules then what makes you think you have the skill to bend the rules

im not going to argue with you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>3679811
Are you implying you can't be practicing anatomy and the fundamentals at the same time you're learning about design and stylisation? Anon, the /ic/ grinding mindset is ridiculous. You should be exploring multiple things at the same time, whether it be practicing fundamentals or stylising/character design :/

>>3679815
that's actually literally the exact opposite of what im saying

>>3679816
You know what, I have better things to do.

>if you cant follow the rules

I never said that, I said that to do so is still incredibly time consuming for me, because that's still an aspect in art I need to improve on.

>what makes you think you have the skill to bend the rules

Having a basic understanding of shape language and appeal? We're literally talking about the sketching phase here, which is looking at different approaches on how to solve problems or design different aspects of a character/object. It doesn't have to be perfectly drawn at this point like you implied.

>>3679820
k bud go do your better things i already said i wont argue with you

>>3679803
Who is this buddah guy and how does he draw?

>>3679786
At least he is drawing, dude

study thread got nuked

>>3679875
I agree, drawing is better than not drawing
But drawing well is better than drawing

>>3679881
I feel like he is doing it dude, relax.

>>3679884
I am relaxed
You act like im being aggressive when im just giving good advice, take it or leave it, i wont argue

Its important to be able to take constructive criticism in order to improve

>>3679878
weird subject matter but cool

>>3679694
>submachine
I havent thought about that in a long fucking time, jesus

>>3679885
>you should draw better
>good critic
K

>>3679885
What you said wasn't constructive though
He seemed to accept the other advice >>3679707 gave
You were just arguing that he should be wasting time getting each and every sketch perfect anatomically when the guy was literally trying to do different body and face variants for stylised characters.

>>3679740
This is even less appealing though...

>>3678329
he's not a fag

>>3679894
>>3679897
I did this
>>3679740

And i never said either "you should draw better" or that he should waste time getting every sketch perfect, those are both lies.

Holy fuck why does every fucking alt thread turn into fucking spastics fighting

>>3679905
Im not quite sure ive attempted to be civil and calm and helpful but im just met with bitter blowback on all fronts. This is unironically why this place stunts your growth, people are just itching for a fight and only want compliments

>>3679906
>botter blowback
Projecting much?

>>3679885
It's not a good advice lmao

>>3679923
No, not at all. If you read my posts ive been very decent. You can read them all, theyre right there.
You cant just use the term projection as a way of saying "no you"

>>3679930
Alright bud, well enjoy your journey and i hope you manage to improve your artwork

Have a good one

>>3679931
>>3679936
Holy fuck pal, fucking calm down, nobody is attacking you for Christ sake.

>>3679936
You haven't even seen their artwork

>>3679945
I just dont understand why youre getting so upset that im being polite and positive. Why does it offend you so much?

>>3679945
>>3679950
Just fucking draw and post your works, you turbo-autist.

>>3679951
*autists

holy shit

>>3679936
I'm not the original anon who did the black tho lmao but I find your passive aggressive autism hilarious

>>3679961
*black kid

>>3679270
>>3679240
Mymoonjelli on Tumblr and insta

>>3679878
this is good i'm jelly of your skills where did you learn to draw?

>>3679709
You dont need a good reason to get good some people can just draw what they love and like and improve that way diffrent for everyone just gotta know what works for yah

How about you both fucking suck it up and stop replying, you’re both contributing to the thread being shit by continuing the discussion here.

Grow up.

>>3680035
Her lower half is off to me. Try drawing it full body and redraw the legs in way where she won't fall over, then crop it how you like, I think you'll get a much better result

>>3679428
maybe you could ellaborate there? I think of my drawing in terms of form and that's how I cell shade it, what I don't know is how to render it like >>3678361 I think I know how to block values in but I don't know how to like, soften them? I think it has to do with the brush's flow?

>>3680075
not them but i'm stuck in the same place as you. i know how to think in 3d cause i do that constantly while drawing but it's all in the effort to reduce into 2d forms that give the illusion of depth. i can cell shade because that follows the same logic but when it comes to like actually known when and where and how to blend in certain ways i'm just completely lost. tho also i honestly think the only real solution is practice? like photostudies of things that you know are already "correct" and just try to see how you can recreate real world things, not like necessarily the absolute same proportions, you can stylize it still, but the main focus should be on the actual technical knowledge of how to recreate the way light and value looks in the photo, which can hopefully carry over into your works that come more from imagination.

>>3680072
Ah didn't see that, will keep that in mind.

Holy shit, you autists really unleashed itt.

>>3679777
I find greel's artwork to be pretty boring. Technically speaking it's fine, but aesthetically speaking it's boring.
Also >his personality just felt like listening to someone who is your everyday average joe.
Did you watch any of his other videos? He's pretty fucking annoying, beyond that of an "average everyday joe" lol.

>>3679760
>>3679748
The mods are on their way, better stop being redpilled and get running.

>>3680104
yeah that's really the thing I struggle, how to do more realisitic value, beyond cell shading, and do something more, "painting" like; Like do I just need to add more mid tones and highlights? filters? it's honestly not very intuitive, and I also agree the the answer is probably just practice...

I think this image sums up my issue, I'm stuck in (1) and lost as to how to "soft"

>>3680299
If it makes you feel better that guide is pretty awful and you shouldn't use it to improve or compare yourself to. Adding a soft edge to cell shading is an easy thing to do, but focusing on learning values will improve your art more in the long run. The values in these example swatches are all so close together it's no wonder the arms look rubbery and weird

>>3680299

this is one of the worst tutorials I've ever seen

>that
>cel shading

YIKES

Why ask why

smells like summer

>>3680403
>>3680393
I know the tutorial is bad, I'm just trying to illustrate the point that I can't into
blend...

>>3680419
dont trust those shifty nipgurrls

>>3680419
Gross fucking gargoyle

>>3680681
Those thick limbs are really dumpy.

>>3680223
This is my post >>3679748
Nothing I said was racist or presented in an offensive manner. I even gave advice to the artist on how to make them look less....hideous.

>>3680695
Cant say negroid or mongoloid or caucasoid. That's scientific racism.

>>3680697
I agree with this anon
>>3680695
it's 4chan and I know the thing is that everyone is edgy and all that but doesn't mean you have to be racist (if you care about being a good/decent human being), you could have just said "imao features of black people are not that attractive to me, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder so don't take it as law or fact"

>>3680749
Im not racist.

>>3680681
blog?

>>3680697
>>3680749
Uh no those are the 3 main variations on the standard skull shape your brainlet reactionary emotions are telling you "NEGROID SOUNDS LIKE NEGRO SOUNDS LIKE NIGGER AN DAS RAYCIS"
come on people get a grip

>>3680681
did you just...? you did't just...

>>3680757
I guarantee that anon wears Supreme unironically and listens to Pink guy and Kendrick

OP of >>3680697 here...

>>3680749
I'm racist and I use all three terms. I dont see anything wrong with them in fact, they are just terms. Negroid is synonymous to black, but more specific to geography of africa. You can have a black hispanic with caucasian features etc. Glad you can see things my way. It's important to categorize races of people for medical purposes. Also, It's quite important to someone who wants to study anatomy.

>>3680753
Glad you took the bait but buddy ease up it's just /ic/.

>>3680766
haha me epic bait le tell 4chan ic xd

shut up loser

>>3680768
Get off 4chan and walk around your room for 15 min.
Thank me later.

>>3680770
suck my dick and thank me for the privilege

>>3680772
Ill gladly suck ur 2 incher anon if that would placate your autistic rage

>>3680775
Youd gladly suck anything you can get your sweaty little hands on I'm sure.

thoughts?

>>3680777
>>3680772
>>3680768
Holy fuck this is gold. Alright janitors nuke this place. I think we should just start over. Nothing will top this prime example of 'alternative' art.

>>3680799
Your gaping pussyboy butthole might sell for something.

>>3680806
How will I ever recover.

>>3680814
you wont faggot

>>3680777
Checked.

>>3680766
or you could just say black people... also why waste your energy on being racist. if aliens existed and they came down to this planet and looked at our species from an outside perspective they would think we our a pathetic species that deserves being killed for racism when we are more or less all the same thing because we would just be no use to other alien races and just be racist to them as well. I don't think aliens exist but that's just the way I like to look at it.

>>3680784
figure obviously lacking, maybe you don't draw too often? mayeb you need more figure studies? The piece itself is still cute and you could do better if you practiced more

>>3680749
>it's 4chan and I know the thing is that everyone is edgy and all that but doesn't mean you have to be racist (if you care about being a good/decent human being)
>*WAH* Don't be racist or you aren't a good person *WAH*
That's funny because the nicest people I've ever met have been based and redpilled racists.

>>3680651
where is yellow and purple girl

>>3680829
What makes you think we wont be the aliens visiting other planets viewing their species pathetic and nuking them from orbit for fun.

>>3680829
https://youtu.be/f1xlnSXpQZs?t=8

>>3680847
that's like saying the nicest people are super villians. yeah sure they are nice to people who allian with their world view but anyone who doesn't they are just mean monsters towards still making them bad people.

>>3680829
Excuse my ableism but are you autistic or something?

>>3680861
nope i'm just not a trash human that is racist, and would rather put my energy into better things like for one actually drawing and making art that improves the lives of my fellow human beings

>>3680859
But what if you're wrong? what if shit skins are actually the supervillains and the racists are the superheroes? I mean, good and evil is a subjective matter, but we determine good and evil through data and observation, so let me ask you something "Which races are, have and will continue to destroy the country and culture of the places they invade and taint?" Or better yet "Which race's culture is the downfall of western society?".

>>3680867
Autists are not human beings, stop trying to relate to others you're just making it obvious

>>3680882
White people

>>3680829
>or you could just say black people...
Thats even more racist you just categorized them by color. Ethiopians and Somalians are not negroids, they are caucasoids. The negro in negroid does indeed come from the spanish/latin for black, but the scientific classification addresses specifically center west and south sub saharan africans. Albino africans are also negroid due to genetic mskeup and skull shape, despite the skin being white. Its like how not every golden retreiver is golden, but they are called so anyways cause thats the common case for 90% of them.
Caucasoids vary much more in phenotypes and melanin levels and stretch all across from the whitest nords to the indian gilgit.
Mongoloid is a term for central and east asian folk, noted by its name for the mongol conquests spreading their genus far and wide. Im not a fan of the term but not because its offensive, because it only became offensive with specific usage (basically eastern europeans were attacked by mongols alot and mongols loved to rape so when a kid was born with downs syndrome which is often characterized by asian-looking features, the kid would be labeled mongoloid) - but because its too general of a term for a very diverse group of asians the mongols didnt reach.
>also why waste your energy on being racist. if aliens existed and they came down to this planet and looked at our species from an outside perspective they would think we our a pathetic species that deserves being killed for racism when we are more or less all the same thing because we would just be no use to other alien races and just be racist to them as well.

You have a highly idealized view of what aliens would likely be and frankly a naive view on the world in general, sounds sheltered af desu.Racism isnt a random evil it often just comes from from either life experience or detection of a common pattern albeit in a very generalized way.
Doesnt make it legitimate in and of itself but it CAN be rationalized within a context.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!111

>>3680889
have cameras.

>>3680882
>>3680884
yeah good and evil is subjective that's why it should never be judged on a race but by individuals. "none because every race contributed something to make us the species we our today" i think your looking at it from a glass half empty point of view no one race can cause a whole society to collapse through culture. anyway all this racism talk is tiring -_- i think i'm just going to try and do some drawing now and work towards bring people together through art.

>>3680891
to tired to read everything you have to say but i am a black anon i know what's racist and what is not towards black people. so let's just stop being racist and all improve are drawing skills so we can make art that makes ourselves and those around us happy okay

>>3680900
If you're not gonna bother reading a 2000 character post I wrote for you explaining the origin of these words and why they are used within specific context, and just auto reply to me with some sappy "yeaah imma imply youre racist anyways but lets hug it out and draww"... then why even reply? Thats just disrespectful .

Im not part of the original convo, I just wanted to clear up the misuse and treatment of those terms. You being black does not make you an expert on how to use defined scientific term, using race privilege to "race-explain" to me is racist. I did not intend to ensult or degrade, but im against this
extremism attitude to words and always will be. I want to be able to make art of any kind in this world, anti-feefeehurt extemism is an enemy to artists.

>>3680829
Tumblr just leave holy shit

>>3679702
Just leave it anon. Christ. You're digging an even deeper hole for yourself. You're derailing the thread by continuously replying to the other anon

>>3680912
>>3680916
okay... to tired for this. i'm done putting my energy into trying to change your mind, you know what they say "you can't change the actions of other people, all you can do is change your own and how you react to others". also I don't use tumblr I prefer pixiv. now i'm going to stop replying to these giving (you)'s and just draw.

>>3679740
Based loomis

>>3680928
Once again; message of lost completely ignored as you wallow in your own snese of superiority. Absolutely distasteful, pretentious and honestly plain rude.

Good day friend, hope next time you will give people the minjmal respect of atleast engaging with honest replies people are giving you.

>>3679733
lol well im the best this side of the art community has. if there was ever a redpilled mofo who was gonna drop truth bombs and wake up the art community it'd be me. the podcast was my first one btw so ofcourse it's gonna be shite. don't hate on a nigga tryin' out here. not sure how my personality is cringe. maybe you or someone can tell me why

>>3680928
Write a book. fuckin tryhard

>ITT Special snowflakes getting buttmangled and their delicate little fee-fee's hurt over names and scientific terms.
Get off the internet, drive to your nearest safespace, check yourself in, take those happy pills, stick your thumb up your rectum, and hold your breath.

>>3680936
hey i like that art a lot and i dont know who you are but i understand when they call you cringe when you say stuff like

>im the best this side of the art community has. if there was ever a redpilled mofo who was gonna drop truth bombs and wake up the art community it'd be me

>>3680936
greel you should have bust seth's balls and gotten him to spill his art secrets. you should have asked more hard hitting questions.

>>3680900
>i am a black
Bitch you sound whiter than the fucking milkman

>>3680947
ayo homie nigga dawgs id be a REAH NIGGUH KNWAWHATIMEAN cracka chicken chicken basketball

go outside and talk to people for once

>>3680945
Not saying there couldn't be someone better, I'm saying no one has the guts to try to say some real shit in terms of skill progression, philosophy, toxicity in the art community. Gonna get it from Sinix? The dude with the voice like a tin can stuck in a bicycle spoke. Rossdraws? It's all bullshit advice to keep their views inflated. Listen to what I say, not how I say it. Not saying I'm like the second coming lol

>>3680928
you're clearly new here. Grow a thicker skin next time ok?
>t. another poc

>>3680946
Yeah that's definitely true, I'm new to all this. I think my personality is great for a podcast but it barely shined through in that podcast, as well as Seth's. It was really a sorta practice interview. He's also a buddy of mine so we've talked about this shit a million times before lol

>>3680951
s-sowwy i hurt yow feefees anon uwu *hugs*

I've been lurking this thread since yesterday, I went away for like an hour and all of a sudden it's devolved into limp-wristed plebbitors and spergy /pol/acks arguing about race, wtf nip it in the bud and get back to talking about the actual thread topic

>>3680955
i mainly wanted to know his process when starting a drawing beginning to end because it looks like he uses construction some times but sometimes he just jumps right into making stuff and it still looks good like he used construction. also how he improved so much within a few short years. he seams like a pretty nice and chill person you got a good pal on your hands there greel.

gotta keep drawing

>>3680946
what questions would you have wanted him to ask seth?

>>3680936
Hi greel

>>3680971
I have a bunch of questions let me go trough seth's work right now and put all the questions I come up with down, then i'll share it here

>>3680963
>muh /pol/!
/pol/ is not your scapegoat/internet boogeyman where you could blame all the shitstorms and things you don't like. What you're witnessing is purely organic and has absolutely nothing to do with that board and furthermore /pol/ is not all about your evil spooky racist sexist alt-right nazi frog with the huwhite man conspiring to oppress you.

If you must know, we discuss mainly about global current events, historical figures, foreign affairs and political science.

t. polack.

>>3680953
nah i dont think they're being genuinely misleading i just think they arent tackling the issues you seem to care about. their focus kind of always spirals back to "practice drawing and sometimes people are sad"

you have to understand that most people dont care about any of that and are easily impressed, they want OneyNG not Nietschze when it comes to youtubers. If you're itching to fill that nich(z)e then it's important to have a degree of self awareness and make an active attempt to separate bitterness and contempt from insightful and progressive ideas (not that im being accusatory), and i believe that there are many high level artists who have these discussions while also maintaining a degree of levity and approachability that might come across as disingenuous to someone who is wrapped up in that tunnel vision of "im gonna be REAL im gonna be RAW, no BULLSHIT"

there's a certain understanding among those who naturally rise to the top, like in any field, that most people dont know what the fuck theyre talking about but if you want a large audience you have to finesse your way around that and you can do so in a way that doesnt compromise your integrity by letting go of that "heres the information, i am right, you are wrong" attitude and working on being genuinely positive and supportive without asspatting.

started rambling a bit but i think you get what im saying.
i'd be interested in talking to you however as i think we share similar values regarding the general state of the community with regards to the entry-level professional.

twitter.com/pheranmilam if you want to chat

>>3680996
Really cute!

>>3680996
Cute, but the break line on her glasses forms a bad tangent with the rest of her face.

>>3680996
This is really cute. Great style.

>>3680936
Y'know if you are greel I want to specifically point to your "Art isn't hard" video where the entire time you confused the concept of "asking questions" and "Doing the work". Asking your self what you need to improve on isn't hard, but sitting there for hours and hours, enduring failure after failure is the hard part for people. Idk man, maybe you aren't a bad guy, but so far you haven't proven to be anything more than a cringelord, or a better description would be "the filthy frank of art", but without all the self-awareness.

>>3680996
Do you have a blog? I would love to see more of your work.

>>3680975

. are you ever going to publish the first two crocodile walk the earth chapters or finish it? maybe print copies and sell them on etsy?
(continue it seth i will buy a copy even if it's a limited release, make it into a one shot manga or doujin if you have to)

. i noticed you started posting online in 2013 but your art really started to improve massively in 2016, within three years what would you
say really helped you make the leap into getting to the pro level you are at now? can you maybe sight resources? books? any specific drawing routine you followed? ect

.when you draw would you say it's more construction based or contour based? as i noticed you do a lot of drawings that feel like you just feeled out the contour of the figure blindly though they don't come across as stiff at all and steel feel very natural with a good sense of form, perspective, and gesture?

. you mentioned that you draw inspiration from anime,and cartoons but you also draw realism do you ever struggle balancing these?
how do you decide on what style you want to lean more towards at any given time?

.your character designs are all quite varied in appearence but they are all instantly regonizable as your style what advice would you give on finding your own style? and what is your process in coming up unique character designs?

.as someone who has always been hesitant on digital painting what is the best way to start learning? i remember you mentioning that it's
something like sculpting with clay but i could never understand what you meant by that

>>3681018
.i want to study your work and learn from it but i don't want to just be a clone of you, and rip off your style seth (got to much respect
for it to do that) how would you guide me on finding my own path?

.i tend to be hestitant on trying to draw new subject areas in fear of messing up and making mistakes and making stuff i don't like. when it comes it trying new things you seem to be fearless moving from drawing people, to vehicles, to buildings and interior design seamlessly how did you get over your fear of messing up or making stuff you think is bad?

.also adding onto the last question you take inspiration from flcl by pushing your perspectives a lot when sometimes drawing people do you ever fear you might be pushing them to far? not that it's a bad thing just that i hesitate a lot in pushing my perspectives in fear i will mess it up or it will look weird to me.

.what's your advice to have fun while drawing?

I probably could think of more questions given enough time.

>>3680970
cute...

>>3681037
don't samefag

>>3681037
Don't samefag, aspie.

>>3680987
I do have contempt for bad tutorials and people pushing out garbage resources for the sake of propping up their own ego. I explained this in one of my last videos "Shitty art tutorials" or whatever it is. It's all entertainment, it's all mind numbing, and I see it very clearly because I went through the filter of it while trying to progress my own skill level. I do have an anger issue which I try to work on though, and you gotta realize too that the whole wigger/ real talk stuff is completely satire. Friends of mine would attest that I'm not retarded like that, I just sort of grew up on the streets (SORRY IF THAT SOUNDED CRINGE ANYONE). But you are right in a way, like I have a work to do on how my message comes out. I was also a trucker at that time so I was like always pissed about life.

>>3681002
I have a video about that, it's titled "Why you never get any better". I have a main point that is sort of broken into multiple videos which tackle the different aspects of that whole particular funk the artist finds themself in. I honestly don't see how one could say I'm a bad guy, or a cringelord, or without self awareness and you saying that honestly made me not even want to reply to you. That's also the reason I don't come here is because people make a bunch of unexplained claims while remaining completely anonymous, avoiding all responsibility. I think there are a lot of cowards who reside here quite honestly, which is something I have great disdain for.

>>3681089
jesus get a room you /beg/s

drew more lucina

>>3679433

>>3681095
Cute

>>3681098
Nice crab

>>3681115
Don't samefag.

>>3681089
dude thats so cringy please stop making me epic cringe like that fail bro fail

no i can completely relate i've been trying to piece together why i feel this way and i think it comes down to a combination of low self esteem as well as being conditioned to be suspicious of manipulators which is a typical pairing for people who had it kind of rough early on, this can come with the additional traits of hyper-masculinity (disgust at perceived weakness) as well as intense drive (albeit through negative reinforcement). not trying to project but those are just the things ive picked up on over the years, not the worst set of traits you could have when attempting to become technically skilled in a creative field.

just out of curiosity, do you have trouble solidifying an identity for yourself apart from "artist"? are you a social chameleon?

>>3681136
Yes I hate normies, but I realize a lot of my disdain came from my own social shortcomings. Do you also hate your mother like I do? You did a good job of summarizing that particular sort of personality though. You the dude who linked their twitter earlier?

>>3681148
yeah i had an alcholic abusive single mom
im twitter guy

>>3681156
LOL Yeah thats not good. Do you have a discord? I think I'd like to friend you. I couldnt message you on twitter so thought I'd ask here.

>>3681052
>>3681082
not saem faeg... get a life crabs

It's bad, but how bad

>>3681162
yeah, just installed it
PMilam #9490, never actually used discord before, gonna go to bed now but looking forward to shooting the shit later

>>3681172
The tension on the shirt is really nice. The face needs work.

>>3681172
Cute boy

>>3681177
I agree. His eyes might need to be completely redone.

>>3680921
>>3679820
This was my last reply, anon.

>>3681172
head is not centered, move it a wee bit to the right

>>3681207
you did not draw that

>>3681186
aight, my bad. Carry on

>>3681207
you've improved. Feet looks tiny though

>>3680996
Perfect

>>3680944
Lol go on the streets of a big american city and scream negroid, lets see if your scientific term does not kill you.

>>3681268
goddamn nigga you're still at it huh

>>3681268
>niggers act like niggers if you call them niggers, therefore it's wrong to call them niggers because then you make it right to call them niggers

fuck is going on

>>3681268
I mean if i screamed CAUCASOID nothing would happen, the spanish word for "Black" is "Negro" but im not going to scream that in Baltimore either

It doesnt magically make all mexicans who want to describe the color of a retina racist. What a shitty arguement. If anything youre pushing the narrative that blacks are uneducated and violent reactionaries.

Schlop schlop schlop

also wip in wop

>>3681341
awww

I need to know if this looks wonky or not, please help (the legs' reduction in size are from a failed attempt at foreshortening)

A little watercolour thing I did

>>3680681
this is actually cool. blog?

>>3680936
nice vids, ur hard to look at tho, but your art is nice

>>3681365
I think it looks good but the vagina sticks out a bit too much, maybe you put it too low? also I can't see her left foot well even though I think I should

>>3681381
I know how to fix the puss now but could you please tell me where the left foot should be?

>>3681387
man that fucker was lying theres a fucking few issues here.

do more studies.

>>3681389
How about you actually tell me what's wrong and how to fix it? Y'know, like actually critiquing?

>>3681387
after looking at some refs it turns out her knees are broken. it shouldn't bend that far, that or perspective is wrong.
>>3681389
Im really sorry if I gave bad advice, the piece does look appealing to me outside of the couple errors in the lower body.

>>3681282
I dont think thats the artist particularly because they have different typing styles than the aggressive autist you responded to

>>3681395
Thank you very much, I'd like to ask where you found these references (or good places to find them in general) they'd be very helpful, thanks guy

>tread barely lasts 3 days
Yep, thats the /alt/ I know.

>>3681397
I know. It's someone else who claims to be black and offended

>>3681403
this kind of bondage with the legs bound in the back is called "hogtie", that's how I got the refs.

>>3681393
>Y'know, like actually critiquing?

okay, go to /beg/ and look at the sticky

>>3681393
And maybe KJG should critique s kid's crayon drawing. Oh wait; its a massive waste of time.

Now; no one's here anything close to KJG, but you arent really far from a crayon drawing. Why cant you just go and apply yourself? Can you not see how broken that drawing is? I could critique you all day and it still wont help cause you simply lack the understanding and mileage to make use of it.

>>3681207
>tfw anon will surpass you in no time

>>3681341
Go away /an/

>>3680976
I browse boards like /ic/ to get away from oversensitive, smug, argumentative half-arsed faggots like you on /pol/. You're speaking to a literal fascist here and all I want is to discuss some fucking art styles without whiny faggots like you bringing muh white genocide into this. Whether I'm ideologically aligned with you or not, /ic/ is not the place for it. You can bullshit all you like about what you think is discussed here, but ultimately you must know it is not the place for it, at least in thread-sinking quantities like this.

t. another /pol/ack

>>3681501
>"im a facist"
>unironically refers to self as a "/pol/ack
>Sonic fan
Autism doesnt speak
IT SCREAMS

>>3681526
>use of a pretty well-known reaction image means I'm a fan of said image's content

Piss poor deflection, you brought up the whole "polack" shit first you utter fuckwit. Stop embarassing yourself

>>3681531
Im not the same person you replied to, sperg

>>3681534
That still doesn't take away from your flawed points you zealous prick.

>>3681220
heh made me chuckle
>>3681239
Thanks, appreciate the crit
>>3681489
we're all gonna make it brah

>>3681343
very cute

>>3681343
>>3681348
CUTE AND CUTE

>>3681348
what's wrong with her eyes

I drew this one yesterday. I'm not entirely happy with a few parts of it, but I think it was a good practice

>>3681000
Thanks, I'll try moving it a bit next time to see if it looks better.

>>3681006
mostly porn, https://twitter.com/orenjipiiru

>>3681605
>11k followers for that
>haha bro just draw porn

>>3681611
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just a WIP to practice and pass the time.

>>3680075
>>3680104
I'm the guy that did the apple painting thing, all it really is is cel shading (blocking in shadow area and highlights on top of the local color,) and then doing a little blending. here's a kinda helpful vid for blending http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfcdH062V_8&t=4m55s..

Or you can just lay down some colors and hit it with a mixer brush like I did in pic related. Overall though the method you use really doesn't matter at all, when you understand light the rest kind of just falls into place in my experience. Get the 4 ctrl paint basic rendering lessons off CGpeers, that'll get you started. It also comes with a really dope brush and eraser.

Good luck and remember not to overblend!

>>3681664
Also skip ahead to 4:55 in that vid I linked.

>>3681664
>>3681669
thank you very much anon I will watch it when I get home!

>>3681611
I don't see him giving or being asked for any social media advice

>>3681664
Why is the upper corner brighter?

>>3681207
>Generic animu grill on beach setting number whatever the fuck there are with a merc_wip tier pose
I'm only replying to you in this manner because your dick is getting sucked on by a bunch of plebs, reality check bucko this has been done thousands of times and it is not at all impressive. If you really want to wow somebody on these parts try a more challenging perspective with dynamic overlapping forms and a communication between the viewer and not just another awkward animay girl going squee in the fucking beach looking at some random corner in space.

help i think she is low functioning

>>3681678
Could be a statement on the futility of keeping you're artistic visions within the box like confines of the "way light works" or "reality." Or it could be general laziness, who knows.

Really I don't really know much beyond the basics yet and am just trying to make cool looking shit.

>>3681333
Sissy coward.

>>3678403
Why do you never reply to anything except for joking around in crab threads etc?

>>3681540
Such as..?

>>3681598
Oh I know you!
You're the potato shota guy

>>3681929
I think so? I don't know what potato we're talking about tho

>>3681611
You gotta put your shit out if you want people to see it. It's fine if you dont wanna draw naked people, but it turns out that's what people want to see.

>>3680403
>Tutorial is bad
>Offers no alternative one that's better
That's going to be a kikes from me.

>>3680749
Nigger.

>>3681582
Kike and kike.

and the thread goes to shit

doodle

>>3682162
>goes to

>>3682205
work on your face shapes...

>>3681584
still workin on it

>>3682340
hella, blog please if you have one

>>3682340
good shit man

new thread when?

>>3682316
>>3682340
Love this

>>3682377
tfw haven't OP in months

>>3682440
>>3682377

new thread
>>3682513

>>3681681
Late response but anyway, I understand it's basically a cliche at this point but I just want to draw something easy once in a while. I do understand where you're coming from though.

>>3682095
>>3682101
>>3682104
Blog?

>>3683215
Its yev-san. You can find him on tumblr.

>>3682367
dont have blog

>>3683284
Thanks anon.

>>3681172
not perfect but messy paint over. I think what would help you most would be to do construction before drawing the final lineart. You have a lot of the ideas but his entire left shoulder is missing and you're just guessing with placing the facial features.