/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3674802
I honestly don't think it will help them much. As Instagram have shown, majority of users seem to care so little about the quality of the actual site, and care more about where everybody else is flocking to.

>>3674802
ew

I get more attention from dart than instagram, why is that?

>>3674802
I don't care much but any change they make is a good thing because it's way about time they do something about this old ass design. Hopefully for the better, if not then let it crash and burn

Deviantart is like an old anime club buddy who never anything after high school. They're gonna fuck this up and it will be entertaining.

>>3674802
Just today I stumbled upon some 10-year-old profile full of shitty fanart and anime desktops. All those stupid badges and emoticons made me nostalgic for pre-social media internet... and made me hope that, even though it's cancer incarnate, at least this little time capsule of a site would keep chugging along untouched (same goes for fanfiction.net)

So this kinda sucks to hear. I hope Archive Team manage to get a full archive of the site before it's too late.

>>3674834

Because clubs gives you more views and the autists there love their tags.

The only thing that can convince me to post work there again is to get the dumpster fire of furry porn and fandom garbage off the front page so normies won't associate me with the rest of the cesspool. Probably too late for that site,though. Even the name is a joke.

they need a separate category for sonic, mlp, weird fetish shit. that can all be removed from browsing.

>liking and disliking comments is going to be a thing
aaaaand it's shit

The only updates I want is official tag blocker/filter & adding "sfw" fetish art to "nsfw" instead.

>>3674802
They’ll never get rid of degenerate autists with a name like Deviantart.

>>3675043

Why would they get rid of them? Where else would they go? They need a containment site.

>>3674911
>>3674950
On the total eclipse site on the main page, they're claiming to "Browse and discover content that better matches your taste and criteria. A more powerful search lets you lets you find deviations, collections, and Groups." But if you go to the option up at the top, it just writes about features that already exist.

I believe they're revamping the tagging system and using that to do something like trending images and they're looking to have "tag pages". I don't think blocking certain tags will help the general populous, but it would help dedicated users filter the fetish shit.
I hope that with the "more powerful search" it lets you go back more than ten or so pages. dA broke the search function in 2013 with the last redesign and it never fully functioned again

With these tags, you can probably expect the popularity algorithm to change as well, relying more on popular tags. If anything, more undertale and mlp shit will just end up on the front page.

all i can wish is that it works

>>3674943
Agreed

>>3674802

They need to make a better mobile app.

>>3674802
What is the point? Deviantart is a dead site where few people go and only for weird fetish drawing in shit tier quality.

>>3674911
sadly sonic mlp inflation shit existed ever since the birth of deviantart. I don't know how you can get rid of it unless you shut down the entire site, create another, and solidify a culture/environment on that site that discourages it.

>>3674802
Deviant art has always needed a culling. About time. They should remove those features and simplify their website. After which they can start returning only essential features so that the site does not return to its old bloated state.

>>3674802
>I personally think they're doing too much and will alienate current users while it wont bring anyone new in.
I think it's looking great and a lot of people have been wanting an overhaul like this. If they take baby steps then that'll just lead to a lot of "you changed x but why not a,b,c,d" (which will happen regardless but just not as much now).

With this change, it can beat out Artstation and Pixiv as the best gallery site for artists to interact with other artists. It won't really beat general social media like Twitter, Instagram, and Tumblr for exposure but if the Shop & Commissions stuff is done well then that could be a nice thing to link people to (which in turn would get fans to join DeviantArt to keep track of what an artist is selling). Fetish stuff is the biggest con of DA but with improved tagging and such, non-fetish art could become more prominent even for logged out users.

They said their bringing back folders but they don't mention albums which is unfortunate since every single other site implemented them eventually. That'll be a strange choice if they don't include that.

I hope they finally implement a filter to blacklist all photography. All the straight up nude photography does not belong on a creative works site.

>>3675933
is that really what bothers you the most out of all the shit on DA?
what about people just literally using DA as a site to store their dick pics? or people who just literally reupload (copyrighted) porn pics from porn sites? (and I'm not mentionning the weird furry/sonic/mlp/etc shit.) what about all the millions of indians who spam for their shitty sites? (and it raises the question, why the FUCK does DA not have a captcha to block, or slow down, these fucking poos?)

>>3676361
dA's always taken a really soft stance on uploading copyrighted material. Only the copyright owner can ask for takedowns and a big company doesn't give two shit about reuploading photos from their porn, cutting the background out of anime pictures, or tracing over their images either digitally or traditionally. The only time something traced got taken down after getting so popular was a phototrace of Emma Watson where the photographer had the site remove it because it wasn't transformative enough. Pixiv artists don't want to deal with deviantart, so the people that reupload their shit with shitty filters don't get caught and the Japanese artists would rather just delete their accounts.

They really need to institute a policy for things that are very clearly copyright infringement, but legally they can't. People just use it like photobucket because dA allows you to upload MASSIVE file sizes (you can even upload psds).
The best you can do is report the people that upload pictures with links to malware sites as spam. (https://www.deviantart.com/boombad01 like this guy I found within two minutes of browsing newest)

>>3676470
>dA's always taken a really soft stance on uploading copyrighted material.

Untrue. In the old days the userbase could report any submission for copyright infringement provided you linked to the source and the mods would remove it, same goes if you provided strong evidence of tracing. If someone reuploaded official art of a franchise etc you'd basically just report it as such and it would be removed. I know this because there used to be cliques there dedicated to reporting this stuff and trying to maintain the quality of the website.
Then the mods decided to remove this feature after firing all of the mod team because everything in the system got clogged up, so they decided to abandon working with the community in this way and to just allow only DMCA takedowns to make life easier for them. They could give a shit, they used to give a shit, but they'd rather not bother moderating their website because they decided it was too much effort and while deviantart was never the epitome of quality, as it currently stands it's reupload hell.

>>3676361
I can't believe you suggested the absolute sin that is craptcha. I can't even post anymore because captcha doesn't allow me to solve puzzles anymore no matter if I change devices or ips.

as an oldfag i gotta say i kinda like deviant art, its one of those weird websites that don't really evolve with time so it tends to feel very nostalgic

personally speaking i don't think sites like twitter or instagram are suited for art, like, they get the job done but they're not dedicated art platforms.
i requested access to eclipse, lets see how this goes

>>3676547
I really like the interface and it supports uploading huge raws. I never tried anything else though. I'm getting very little attention on dA anyway, all I get are these dumb badges and faves from retards. How do I make it on dA???

>>3676563
i'm not sure i get like a steady supply of faves on dA, not massive but maybe like 10 a day? which is not bad for an account that's been abandoned since feb i think
even tho people like my art and add it to their collections they don't really follow me and my follower count is super low :thinking:
based on experience i'd say dA is good at promoting your art via groups/tags/whathaveyou but you probably need to be active on the site to get followers.
by being active i mean posting journals, status updates and probably forums. like, being part of the community instead of treating it like an art dump
just my opinion

>>3676567
dang, that's pretty nice, my traffic stopped when I finished up inktober. I was just dumping content in the weekends without much shilling to be fair. Do you like the community?

>>3674811
This
Fuck Instagram and fuck people and their nonsense choices
"OH LET ME CHOSE THE SITE THAT HAS THE LESS OPTIONS ITS SO MUC BETTER"

Everyone, 2018

>>3676692
>Do you like the community?
i'm not really familiar with dA culture to be honest, i've made good friends on the site but i have like 1 forum post and i don't participate in any of the dA events. s m. h

The announcement is public now. Are there any profiles that got the upgrade yet?

>>3676361
DA is ran by idiots, back in 2012 or so i reported self harm photos and the mod who for whatever reason deemed it okay, and when a mod deems it as okay they make it so nobody else can report it. then boom that self harm photo will stay up as long as the user doesn't remove it
their reporting system is broken, i would trust it more if their mods weren't filled with weirdos who look at shit and go "NAH I THINK THIS IS FINE" without actually looking at the rules themselves.
i'm still baffled to this day that the mod just got away with allowing some kid to upload pictures of them cutting themselves

>>3675836
Wait what are albums? Guess I only use sites with folders what's the difference

>>3678351
I can't remember which site I picked up the term "album" from but they are multiple images put into one submission (thus, one title, you like/favorite all of them together, you can't split it without making a new submission). Folders are just grouping separate submissions together (so you can have a folder of both single image submissions and albums/image sets).

These image sets are good for posting comic chapters, process steps, or a bunch of sketches without them ever taking a lot of space in your gallery. Plus, it's quicker to upload.

>>3678743
Inkbunny has the option to display art like that, it's too bad the site is full of fucking furry pedoshit. Pixiv also has this.

Has anyone tried Pixiv sketch by the way? I was thinking about this when I was looking at the dAstream info and thinking about better alternatives to picarto and pixzel because they're dying. I've tried to watch them but they ran like shit and you have to comply with Japanese censorship standards.

>>3678900
>piczel dying
That site just started and I'd say it's gaining traction.

There's something more satisfying about Deviantart. Almost everyone left tries to be an artist there, so anyone watching you is an aspirating artist, and to me, that's more powerful than another tumblr reblog or instagram like.

>>3674802
I guess this is a fine place to ask.

Are deviantart points useful at all? Or were people better off being paid in Chuck E. Cheese tokens?

>>3674802
>https://www.deviantarteclipse.com/deviations

I think it's a smart move.
And it's not just the look, they're putting together art showcase from Artstation, collections from Pinterest, commission gigs from Behance and social aspect of Facebook.
Now if they take the adjusting of search engine and algorithms as an opportunity to filter out some of the trash and furfaggotry that's been gathering in the corners like a nasty grime, the site might turn into a wholesome hub for artists to make connections and stuff

>>3674802
Beta testers (Core members) can try it out now: https://www.deviantart.com/danlev/journal/BETA-TEST-DeviantArt-Eclipse-772595054

What are some good blog?
I just made an artstation account and it's just
>objectification bad
>titty bad
>no sex allowed even if there's a mature content filter
I already regret it.

>>3679687
Basically it's something like 80pts = 1usd after their cut. You need at least 5usd to make a withdrawal. And there's a few hoops to jump through. Like they have to PAY you with the points, using the gifting feature makes those points unable to be cashed. Well I'm sure people do it anyway but they can ban you for it.

>>3680271
Fuck I said it backwards, when you buy pts it's 80 per dollar so you'd want to charge 120 per dollar to get a dollar after fees

>>3679743
I went through ArtStation recently and holy fuck, the art is so bland. Every piece of work looks the same and all the women drawn have same-face syndrome. Nothing looks gritty. Its all overly polished and clean. Its boring af

At least on dA, you get a really mixture of artists and can find all kinds of shit. Most of the stuff in my art folder on my PC comes from artists that originated from there and I can still find some really good stuff lying around.

>tfw your dA has enough PV to make you a bigshot circa 2002
>tfw its 2018 and 100k is nothing

hope it dies, that shithole is a cesspool of autism and cringey fetishes with favoritism moderation, and contradictory to it's name, is stupidly hypocritical on erotic art

pixiv is better

>>3680320
I severely regret giving them an account.
Look at this crap.
I'll still post my serious art work there but only shit fuck these scums

>>3680504

That does not appear to be enforced particulary

>>3680504
>anime/manga girls portrayed in a sexy way can be interpreted as child pornography.
They can't really believe that all ecchi/hentai is CP, can they?

>>3680514
That is until someone get triggered.

>>3680526
That's an idea a lot of people are trying to push.

>>3680504
>>3680590
How's Instagram's stance on this? I never gave a fuck about Insta or even went there once, but apparently people are posting art stuff there?

>>3680526
Most roasties try to argue that anime looks "childish" so even if you like a fully grown one with a six pack and huge tits they still consider it pornography
In reality I think they are just upset and jealous that men like 2D more than them, that chick at steam that tried to take down huniepop tried to argue this if I remember right

>>3680471
this, though their rules are just as insane they don't moderate anything, I think it's used as an excuse for if they ever need to delete work. or it applies to irl which makes the site nonphotography (thank God)

>>3680596
I think it's more that a lot of animu can look questionable and it's just giving a fair warning that if you like flat anime girls they might get removed

>>3680590
>>3680514
>>3680504
>>3680526
Artstation is a portfolio site for concept artists who want jobs not an ecchi site for you to fap to, you retards.

>>3680785
>Artstation is a portfolio site for concept artists
Oh yeah. Concepet artist never draw """""ecchi"""" for MTG, AAA/AA games, mobage etc. Retard.
Mature concept art lmao

>>3680785
I want a job doing cool but slightly erotic art. That's my thing and I should have the right to post that in my portfolio. It's not about fapping, you retards.

>>3680590
I am confused by this policy as I see a bunch of tits on the main page.

>>3674802
Not gonna be posting to DeviantArt again until I know that they’re not going to snatch my art and sell it to someone without my permission. That’s basically why I left. I saw stories about how they sold stuff from users to vendors like Hot Topic to make merch out of.
https://www.deviantart.com/thechamba/journal/Seriously-Hot-Topic-WTF-Is-that-even-allowed-229270866
>imb4 fan art, artist doesn’t own the ip so it’s okay
I don’t care about my old fan art as much, but I don’t want the original ip I’m trying to develop to be stolen.

https://www.deviantart.com/katy-l-wood/journal/Eclipse-Beta-Thoughts-772844034

>>3680504
That bit about anime/manga, wow really shows their level of intelligence and understanding of the medium, bunch of cunts, lost respect for them after reading this.

Also
>implying a piece of art can't stimulate erotic, aesthetic and emotional feelings at the same time
The nerve of these people, they're pretty much outright stating they don't want any anime/manga art with such a broad and ignorant statement

>>3680590
this is why i like artstation

>>3684804
Guess how I know you're a cuck.

>>3680590
>is sexual in nature
>objectifies women
What is art even? Never titillate, never objectify, act as sexuality is some sort of group delusion.
It's like tying one of your arms behind your back and letting atrophy set in. It's hypocritical too, because all this unused energy is always there.

I know, I know it's all about making art pg-13, because that's what can be marketed to biggest audience and doesn't bring ire of status quo people (leftist puritans atm).
I tell you what, for all amazing skills these people foster, I can hardly remember any of their names and their work.
I think there is a need for someone pushing the envelope, with risky/offensive ideas and visuals. There is a place for risk-takers if they can successfully ride the wave of outrage. The taste for raw and subversive content will grow as lives become even more mainstream and sanitized.

When it comes to dA, it's a social space with no selection process applied, there will be constant stream of garbage everyday. Here's the question though: is the reason why these "deviant" creators are so looked down upon is because or their "deviant" content or because they have nothing interesting to present and they stop developing once arriving at their niche?

>>3680590
>>3686377
>objectifies women
But objectifying men is not forbidden?
Why would they explicitly single out women? Because then they'd have to censor a lot of depictions of attractive, glamorous, idealized muscular male characters in tight clothes if they were to be consistent about "objectification"?

>>3680271
>>3680275
Both of these are incorrect. The site advertises it as 400 points= 5 USD (lowest you can purchase is $5 worth), however, dA takes 20% off the top on the artist's end, not the buyer so in actuality, 100 points=1 USD. PayPal then takes at least 2% of that for PayPal fees.
>>3679699
In the past the fanart category was as a whole harder to get on the front page with, that's when people taking photos of their art got really big because they'd put it in the photography category (this was pre-instagram too). It's reversed in the past few years. If there was a special Furry category instead of just "Anthro" it could help.
>>3680320
As some have said before, people on there are trying to get certain positions at certain companies. They've been taught to draw that way. Art schools often have connections with certain companies and the students there are on rails to work for them.
>>3680593
They delete NSFW accounts if they get reported, even if it's just nude drawings, "digitally created content".
>>3681154
That happens because some cheap, lazy graphic designer for a company finds stuff that looks like official art and could be covered by their licence with the property holder. I honestly thought you posted about the Totaro one, which was another instance of that happening. Hot Topic and other fashion retailers rip shit off from small people all the time. There's one going around twitter right now with this "Girl Gang" patch that a company is using as their logo.
>>3683829
That's really sad to hear they've put all this emphasis on mobile shit. I really think they've shot themselves in the foot, as I mentioned in the OP, with removing the sole reasons people pay for their core membership.

>>3674802
Deviantart is a really bad place for new artists to build a following. Your honestly better off posting here. Every other site gives you a wider net to cast and more opportunities for people to see your work. Not that many people browse deviantart compared to twitter or insta where normalfags can stumble across your stufff

>>3688182
I think it can be pretty good so long as you're willing to hang around on it chatting and dropping comments here and there. Its actually fun chatting with people on the site and I think its what brings traffic to the account. Its almost like a blogging site thrown into a presentation gallery and all kinds of stuff attached to it.

A strange Frankenstein to say the least, but one you can't help but admire at its worst.

>>3680504
Fucking hell, these comments
>pedophiles BTFO

>>3686337
I didn't even notice yours at first!

>>3686377

So they're going to ban Ruan?

>>3686377
I hope this generation's Alice Cooper/Marylin Manson makes SJWs vomit blood.

https://youtu.be/cTbomQmzx6Q

>>3674802
use pixiv
they have an english site

>>3674802
didn't most people leave deviantart around 2012-13 anyway? It's almost entirely fetish fuel there now

Literally doesn't load with an adblocker

>>3680794
>I want a job doing cool but slightly erotic art.
well that might depend on how your "slightly" is the same as their "slightly"
but yeah I saw many erotic art in AS
>>3681044
they count it as mature content rather than erotic

>>3680504
HUGE yikes

>>3680504
based artstation PATROLLING degenerates

i'm actually going to check them out now

>>3686669
because we all know that risque titty pics dominate the content way, way more than anything else. c'mon. if someone's man-bulge pic made it to the front page of artstation it'd prob get removed too, but how often does that happen? I agree it could be worded better to include both, but at the end of the day one is simply more relevant than the other and there's no point in pretending otherwise.

>>3674802
Fuck yeah, if this update is good, ill come back to deviantart. I havent found any other art site i cared about now that tumblr is dead. I dont use twitter or inta cause i dont draw on my phone. This looks pretty good.