/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

being bad at painting is not a "style"
youre reception is decent elsewhere because most people dont know shit about art and are easily impressed, nobody is going to say "thats so ugly" in person when you show them your art. its called being polite retard

you're acting like "style" and "technique" are two chemicals you can just mix together because you are stupid and don't think about things deeply.

>>3646659
please focus on the questions i posed? People dont invest 150-300 dollars in my paintings because they are polite. I dont get hundreds of likes on reddit either. IC is the final frontier....just so happenedly the worst of the worst.

>>3646663
"please focus on the questions i posed"

THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM YOU DONT FUCKING LISTEN I DID ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS, READ WHAT I SAID AND USE YOUR BRAIN IDIOT.

people have shit taste, i saw a guy buy a bunch of random colors on a canvas for $500 in portland, plus you get "urban" points for being a nig artist

>>3646663
you're LITERALLY incapable of accepting criticism, you only take compliments to boost your ego.

actually pointless talking to you because you're so thick

>>3646653
I’m going through that same crisis right now. I figured that the way forward is to jump into the chaos and experiment. The instinctual response is to play safe, to not stray too far from the established style, but I’m trying to fight it and see if there are foreign elements I can bring home and integrate

>>3646664
you didnt answer my questions. then you are rationalizing why my art sells. See, ic is a ananomous forum. There is no paper trail. you can be as racist as you want... I am not looking for friction or validation. Actually as a black artist my art is HARD to be accept. Now....as i asked, how can I be more technical while perserving my essences. i love my art. just want to grow and i am finding it hard too.

>>3646659

I was about to write something but you fucking aced it. I'm still going to say something.

>>3646653
You're not going to "lose your style" if you just learn some really basic anatomy and painting techniques on the side. People don't like your stuff because it doesn't look "stylized" it looks like the shit I saw on the walls of my high school halls when I was a small boy. It looked like that because those kids were lacking in all aspects of skill even though they really wanted to express themselves. You come off as a guy who has the introspection/social skills of a teenager. That's why everybody hates you and your art here and probably elsewhere even if they're not willing to admit it.

I tried googling your name and your old DA-page came up. All the comments were sarcastic quips, laughing at your shit or calling you a troll so you're also a liar.

So yeah. And don't ever fucking bring race into this. It devalues the whole concept of "racism" and I should know. I'm black myself.

>>3646665
i actually heed all the advice you guys give. but i aint gonna because virtoustic on line.

>>3646671
> Actually as a black artist my art is HARD to be accept

poor victim it must be so hard for you

i'll say it again because your monkey brain cant read

"being. bad. at. painting. is. not. a . style."

the things that you're looking for is called "improvement" and "practice" which means NOT being shit which means NOT keeping your style of being shit at painting.

it just kills me to say it and this isnt even about race, but you're DUMB illustrat.
You're not an intelligent person and youve been coming here for years now and you make threads and then never try anything new. the way you talk, the way you handle ideas, the way you interpret instruction and criticism.

plain old low IQ

>>3646672
if its my old page that was 8 years ago. its unfair to base it off that. you seem to have anomosity because i troll rather than an accurate perseption of my art.

i like the art i posted so what difference does it make. I just think its time to grow.

>>3646678
my iq is 137...but i am black so i understand how ya;ll view us

>>3646680
I'm an asian and I live in Asia, still living in a predominantly asiatic place. You're just trash who can't hack it and talking to you is pointless.

>>3646680
congrats you manage to contradict yourself immediately

>mommy says im smart
>but i still call everyone who's honest with me a racist

nah EVERYTHING you do is great but it's just the MAN and the HATERZZZZ trying to keep you down.

you're the best painter who ever lived illustrat you cant possible improve on anything so you dont need to post here again

>>3646683
you sound stupid

>>3646679

How is it unfair to judge? You're trolling on an imageboard where people try to help others improve. What the fuck are you even talking about?

> you seem to have anomosity because i troll rather than an accurate perseption of my art.

What the fuck does that even mean "bro"? Your art is fucking terrible and you can't take any feedback so what the fuck is your major malfunction???

Another thing. Why the fuck do you constantly need to tell people that you're black? Nobody fucking cares unless you make it into a number. Do you wake up in the morning and think "Oh boy! It sure is a great day to be black" because I fucking don't. I don't care if I'm blue or yellow and generally most people don't care either. Of course you're going to get made fun of on fucking 4chan if you tell people that you're fat/short/brown/female/Asian/what ever but if you would just shut the fuck up, post your work, take the critique like everybody else here you'd never have any issues.

Are you actually retarded? Jesus fucking Christ... Hahahaha!

>>3646687
>he thinks he just posted a good picture as a rebuttal

it's just sad at this point

>>3646685
cool.....never seriously thought i was the best. just trolling. i am being serious now. i want to improve but i dont want my art to look like that boring shit ya;ll do. what should i do?

see...chuck connelly for inspiration.

>>3646688
okay...i suck, how can i get better

>>3646698

I'm not done.

I'm going to continue for just one more minute. Let's say that your IQ is actually 137. Have you ever been tested for stuff like autism or antisocial personality disorder? Your writing is fucking bad for a normal adult and you can't even hold a normal conversation with people who are trying to help you. My English isn't perfect either but I'm not even from an English-speaking country. I'm just trying to figure out what the actual fuck is wrong with your brain man.

You can get better by listening to people, trying to improve your work and asking people for advice. You take some crits for a single piece of work. You take a hard look at it. You study the things you were critted on. You do another piece and you ask people if your stuff is getting better. And you study things like anatomy, composition and colors while you're doing all of this.

>>3646693

first you learn the rules then you get to break the rules.
that mean's studying "that boring shit"
(read: foundational skills)

although you've been told this countless times

>>3646653

Been lookin' at your art for a while now, bud.

I think you've got something good in this style of yours, but you're right, there is more to be done here.

I'd say look at a reference, and paint it as close to reality as you can. Just put little flecks of your style in there during these practice sessions to keep yourself interested. When you're familiar with realistically proportioned faces, you'll know better how to abstract them.

Hell, try a landscape or a still life every now and then. There's a lot to learn from changing up your subject.

Keep painting a shit ton, any practice or experience is progress.

haha it's his style because he doesnt know how to blend paint hahahaha

>>3646687
Never pretended to be the wisest man of all time. Don't need to be the wisest either to recognize trash.

>>3646703
wow! the more you know?

>>3646713
i f y o u k n o w t h e n w h y d o n t y o u f u c k i n g d o i t r e t a r d

>>3646708
will do

>>3646653
If you feel an urge to develop, then develop. You're attached to what you have because it's real, and worried you might lose it if you go out and do some adventuring, because whatever results you might claim are theoretical.

I wouldn't listen to a band that puts out the exact same music that they did 20 albums ago. Explore, be curious, be creative.

>>3646653
>However, I realize the more technique I incorporate the more i can tweak my style.
This is what people have been telling you and that Cumbum guy since the beginning. You don't have any range because you haven't learned techniques to expand your work. It all looks the same, one-trick, and basic.

>What should I do? What technical approach will perserve my style yet benefit myself.
Try to study like everyone else. Study traditional painting techniques. Study realism. Learn figure drawing. Learn landscape painting. Study composition, perspective, color theory. There's no reason not to do it. It can only benefit your art, and if you find that it doesn't work, at least you know more.

If you're afraid of losing your style, then you don't have confidence in your creativity. Studying techniques does add more rules but also adds more possibilities. That's the real test of your creativity.

>I never understood why so many people on ic hated my stuff. i am trying not to say its racial.
It's because you spam your work here claiming it's the best while ignoring all critique.

>>3646653
>What should I do?
You should try ripping off one of my paintings. I did pic related of yours before getting annoyed with it and doing a different painting. So I failed.

But you should just try doing something that isn't "yours." Try doing someone else's thing.

>>3646653
Unironically do a painting of webm related

And do a fucking graphite transfer of it too.

>>3646819
stfu jimmy, its not even funny how you cant even draw yourself.

>>3646830
i can draw pretty well given i dont grid, project, or trace.

Its like, ya'll keep giving me these criticisms but honestly my worst fear is to make some of the shit i see in the draw thread. i am not trying to sound conceded but most of that shit is boring. How can I incorporate the fundamentals i know with some added technique but perserve my essence? Like my fiancé is a master at this. She has such a cool style while what I see in the draw thread, despite how technical, is my worst fear. I need a pros and cons list of my art. I HATE BLAND.

>>3646830
say that 3 my face dogg

>>3646853
DO A CONFIRMED FOR AUTISM YA bOZA

>>3646819
>those delicious pits
hnnngggg

>>3646858
that is hideous. no offense jimmy. i like you.

>>3646830
bet I can unironically draw better than you too ya hoser

>>3646864
DO A CONFIRMED FOR AUTISM YOU FUCK

>>3646853
Good that you know bland blows. Suppose all you gotta do is make art knowin' that. You're on the right track.
Dig the line quality of the picture in the bottom right.

>>3646866
>>3646865
>>3646863
>>3646861
>>3646858
>>3646853

>>3646861
Celebrities are lame, friend. Puppets of the MegaCorps.

>>3646882
did you draw that? idgi?

>>3646879
thanks bri....hit me up on insta sometime

>>3646881
doesn't matter. subvert the iconography. You wanted to know how to "grow and maintain your essence" or whatever the fuck. Do something that isn't "yours."

Not to mention you dang started the My Style/Your Style thread using a famous picture of noted MegaCorp puppet Audrey Hepburn.

And it's not even about the celebrity. It's about a formal, "glamorous" talk show appearance being subverted by the inescapable ackwardness of human existence. She's there to act as a sexy marketing ploy to shill for a movie and the entire intent is subverted by her demonstrating her awkward childish sensory stimulation behavior that fundamentally clashes with the idea and appearance of a woman in a sleek black dress shilling some movie on tv.

Just do something that you normally wouldn't.

I don’t like your art because it reminds me of something I’d see being sold in the NYC subways. I really hate art that’s like, portraits of celebrities or politicians. Don’t pull the race card either, I’m half black and people hated my art because it was bad. You need to improve your fundies, they’re clearly lacking. Or you can continue to sell to normies who don’t know anything about art, that’s chill.

>>3646891
you are talking to brian....but yeah, i agree

>>3646892
cool

>>3646892
i got to address this. who else buys art other than normies? artists dont so why would i placate them

>>3646882
big head lol

>>3646890
Don't know your name, pal. Would if I could.

>>3646892
Yeah, celebrities and politicians suck in terms of art subjects. Those fucks get enough attention already, plus there are other thoughts n' feelings to be explored in art.

>>3646882
like I like the idea of that cringe pose but there isn't enough happening with the face. Her upper lips should be pulled back a lot more and there should be more stress lines and either squinty eyes or wide eyes. As it is it looks like you trained a cartoon fuckbot to pretend to cringe.

3/11

>>3646894
geez now I gotta keep up with obscure namefag lore.

>>3646653
Not gonna bother to read this entire thread before replying but you have to take in consideration that this is an anonymous board. No one's gonna say you're shit to your face, especially if they know you in real life. Nothing about your work is good. You have no sense of value, construction, ANYTHING... It's just complete garbage and I really am not trying to be mean. I want everyone on this board to be the best they can be. But you are hindering yourself by fighting back against these criticisms. Take what people say and use it to grow and prove them wrong. You don't have to lose yourself in exchange for gaining more skill.

>>3646910
I'm not saying this to be confrontational.

Is there much interest in your paintings of random grils with no shirts on?

Like I can generally appreciate your pov Brian but you're the person that could most easily excel by choosing to make art that is relevant to things that people are interested in now. Like I've been shilling for you to do "subversive" still lives with your skill on contemporary bullshit but you just don't do it. If you took your skillz and style and did what I was doing, you'd be frigging crushing it.

Like I had multiple people offering me between 200-500 schmekels for a dang original print of pic related. And I'm a piece of shit!

I'm saying this from a place of love when I say that the one thing you're missing Brian is a more blunt sense of humor in your subject matter. You need your shit to be clever and contemporary.

I swear to jeebus that if you did still lives of shitty fruit sitting on your beige humidifier thing you'd generally generate more audience interest in your shit than you are currently by proving that you can do the same shit people did 200 years ago.

And I don't want to tell you what to do but you've got easy access to models. Do something more interesting than a painting of them slouching in a chair with their tiddies out!

Like think of yourself less as a painter and more as a producer that is telling a story idk. Get some interesting poses that relate to contemporary ideas. Get your model looking at a good text in limited light or something. Create a narrative in your paintings.

You don't need to be a celebrityfag but you need a narrative in your work that doesn't scream "this dude is all about painting some tiddies."

Like you've established trust with models. Now use them!

>>3646927
Pal, I ain't Brian. Hope he gets yer word though.

I agree with you, shirtless gals ain't sayin' much either.

Glad you're doin' well with your Musk schmeckels, amigo.

>>3646927
youre such an obnoxious nothing

not enough self awareness to realize youre not nearly as smart or clever as you think but just enough to make you try to give other people advice

and you dont get to play the heel either, you're just a nothing. drink yourself to death already

>>3646932
see this is the shit I'm talking about fuck these stupid namefag bullshit names. Now illastrat needs to do a confirmed for autism for saying you're Brian when you're just fucking Yurt.

I'm lucky enough to remember my own goddamn name.

>>3646934
>obnoxious nothing

rude. Be kind, anon.

>>3646934
Is this Brian?

Otherwise what the fuck are you responding to?

Unironically frigg off ya boner.

>>3646938
no
you and the other nameFAGGOTS that ruin this board with your fucking "im bored give me attention" shitposting and your gimmicks because you have no skill can FUCK OFF

you're not artists, you're extroverts who will do anything as long as you get someone looking at you and you settled on this board by chance.

>>3646939
what a QUIRKY speech pattern what QUIRKY choice of language haha great ironic reaction meme i hope you die of a massive heart attack

>>3646939
so ironic jimmy. Great stuff

>>3646941
>no pic related
>bitching about skill
>gatekeeping what it means to be an "artist"
you're not an artist most likely my guy. And being a malignant "introvert" faggot doesn't make you special. It makes you handicapped.

Grow up bozo.

>>3646941
I unironically agree with this. Tired of retards shitting up the boards to a higher degree than normal

>>3646947
>picking
apart
>every
sentence
>using
all
>my favorite
buzzwords

wow SICK breakdown you totally owned me you retarded little scabby homo

>>3646942
>>3646944
are either of (you) Brian?

What exactly is wrong about what I said? I can be a piece of shit and still know how best to help others.

I'm not being ironic at all for the wreck chord. Brian is the biggest thing holding back Brian.

>>3646951
So is this Brian?

Who am I trying to own? What the fuck? Are you ok?

If it isn't Brian, I fundamentally don't give a wet shit about your faggot feelings.

If it is. What the fuck dude?

>>3646937
Yeah, names are lame. I just chose the name this evening, as i'm putting some effort into my posts tonight.

>>3646941
I don't make pictures under this name, so I ain't dyin for attention. Name's more for me than you. Din't know 'bout these other fuckers though.

Hope yer doin' alright, dude. extroverts blow, but they ain't actively tryin'to do you harm, as far as I know.

well for the record I have no idea who I was talking to and I don't really care.

Technical artists are programmers though

>>3646663
>150 shekels
>reddit upvotes
This is bait. I maintain that the actual artist, illustrat, has never posted on /ic/ and its one of our trolls.

>>3646680
Nobody knew you were black until now so stop it with this absolute retardation "they say my art is bad because I'm black" and "my iq is 137" are two sentences that cannot possibly come from the same person.

Every single board on 4chan has one of these resident autists that does nothing but create threads about themselves and derail discussion in other threads by riling people up. I just can't fathom what they feel the payoff is for spending so much time and effort pretending to be retarded. Surely past a certain threshold it's more pathetic than simply being retarded.

>>3647251
I dont think its illustrat. Its pretty common to spam shit artwork here for roasting.

OP.
No-one would know you're a nig if you didn't bring it up EVERY SINGLE FREAKING POST.
You're the racist, and you trace.

Now for the copypasta

here's a cooking recipe to make an Illastrat blotch mess painting:

get your ingredients ready:
- one internet pic of a rapper (or shitty selfie of yourself or your tattoo whale gf)
- a set of random colors, extra tube of pitch black
- brain damage
- small, cheap industrially produced canvas (hobby shop)

>To begin with, run your head into the wall about ten times until you feel terribly dizzy and lightheaded.
>Crop the shit out of your photo
>Now sit down in the corner of your tiny room and throw some random colors on your palette.
>Begin with tracing all outlines of the person in black and make sure to be rubbish at doing so
>Once you're not even halfway finished with your down syndrom version of the person, move on to the background
>Google tablecloth prints, confetti, vaporwave desktop patterns like circles, spirals, checked patterns or old powerpoint backgrounds
>plaster that shit with kindergarten scribbles to fill the emptiness of the background with infantile patterns the way your mind is filled with childish expectations of what a painting can or should be

presentation:
>go on that website where everybody with a sense of taste and reason hates your awful, narcissistic ass
>make a terrible photo with fucked up contrast and whitebalance of the shit you've just smeared all over the canvas
>season with "I am god" - "I'm the best on here" - "is it bc i is black?" - "that painting is ----very successful----"(??? in your living room or what ???) or any other raging stupidity

done, you are Illastrat. ignore constructive criticism and insults.
be sure to come back every other day and do the same thing over and over again, acting like nothing happened.