/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

asking again here

>>3637125
>If I want to ink with say a fineliner, or felt tip pen, black and white only, does it sound correct that any shadow will be black, while anything that isn't as dark in value as the lightest shadow, will be white?

i did another one. do these look decent

I've been sketching a face from a newspaper for an hour, kept reworking on the eyes because they're too big and not tilted like the source pic.

Also the face looks too big and wide instead of narrow.

I've been sketching a face from a newspaper for an hour, kept reworking on the eyes because they're too big and not tilted like the source pic.

Also the face looks too big and wide instead of narrow.

WHY DO I SUCK SO MUCH DICK GOD DAMN IT

>>3637139
your fingers look like they have no bones in them, they cant bend that way

I drew some heads from the proko videos
I don't get the side view
How big is the inner circle suppose to be?
the perspective boxes are for practice but some of them are absolute trash

>>3637194
is that a problem with the top one? i though the bottom looked a little wonky.if it helps i intended the bottom one to be tilted SLIGHTLY so the top comes in a bit, thus giving the fingers a bit of angle, though now that im looking at it again the creases should be better defined and not go across the entire width

guys, rate my coloring

>>3637195
Well, the Loomis way of using a circle is a tool for you to construct something, having a simple volume/shape as a guide. Thing is, real skulls don't fit well inside a circle, they are more like a box with tapered corners and front/back side. Also the skull is more deep than wide. Any skull is different though, so you have some room to play around with the shape.
Just, don't get too caught with the underlying construction and focus more on looking at actual skulls.

But to fix your current issue, add more mass towards the backside if you use a circle from the side view. Probably an ellipse would fit better from that angle.

>>3637205
bring your hand up to your face and try to position your fingers like that

Mouse knight

>>3637209
A bit flat, but it looks like you have a decent idea of where your light is coming from. Also, shadows aren't just a darker value of the inherent color of an object, but influenced by the color of light shining on the object.

>>3637220
kek thats how i drew it in the first place. though the bottom one feels a bit awkward posing it again. ill just make some tweeks so that it makes sense and go on painting the rest. do the colors/values/lighting look okay? thanks for the tips too

I had fun

>>3637022
>>3637022
Looking for any and all critique as I finish this to take note of for future pieces, please. I'm already going to dedicate more time into drawing the body in perspective properly, the anatomy of feet, and the musculature of the body in general.

>>3637262
This is not an image, but an ellipses warmup. Do these before you actually draw.

>>3637269
Yeah, I hurt my hand and was supposed to be resting it but I got carried away with the warmup exercise

>>3637262
imaginative fundies training, im going to do this. gmi anon.

whats a good animation program I can pirate?
im tired of flash's vectors, I draw a nice curve and the vector changes it to an ugly scribble.
I just want something that has an easy onion skin function and isn't as barebones as animation paper

>>3637133
>op image
>not resized like it says in op

yeah im butt mad

>>3637269
are you saying this is not a fundamental exercise?

>>3637312
While not necessarily an exercise in fundamentals, it'll definitely facilitate the process when you start getting more into them since you'll probably be ghosting your linework, or trying to get your lines done in one single stroke.. Clean and confident strokes are valuable and show that every line you do is well thought out and intentional, the ideal transition from intangible image from the mind onto the physical canvas. Keep at it, anon.

tried rendering in photoshop
this is so fucking difficult
what am I doing not right?

>>3637319
Try limiting yourself on the amount of values you use and start to progressively use more if you can accurately identify and place them. Next time, limit yourself to just using 4 or 5 values including the canvas color. Also, try measuring the distance or relation of one facial feature to the other with comparative measurement in the form of lines. If you look at your reference image and try drawing straight lines around the shapes of the features to another feature, you'll notice the negative space creates a distinct shape. Your goal is to create the same negative space of that shape and should help you keep your work as accurate to the source as possible.

>>3637139
stop coloring

>>3637157
5 hours and still no advice, come on how do I make her look not fucking ugly?

>>3637390
You fix the problems you mentioned by fixing the problems you mentioned.

>>3637390
because you shaded before you got the initial linework right, drew too small, and practically etched the drawing into the paper, you can't fix anything
congrats

>>3637157

Start a new one. It might sound harsh and disheartening but this is unsalvagable. Kill your darlings. Don't be afraid to attempt something again from scratch, it will only make you grow and learn. Also, use actual drawing paper/no lined paper. Good luck!

was doing fundes and wanted to see if i can draw comic faces. am i doing it at least right?

anatomy is hard and makes me feel uncomfortable

>>3637717
Being out of your comfort zone means you're being challenged and it is very likely you're learning.

What am I doing wrong?

i feel like i have so much more control over my lines when i draw a bunch of short strokes instead of a single long one, how do i stop myself from doing this

>>3637816
do medium strokes

>>3637829

what software has true color mixing? like red + yellow is orange, red and blue is purple etc.
also what software / hardware combo is the best bang for your buck.

>>3637854
Corel Painter

>tfw ngmi

>>3637761
your heads are way too disproportionately big especially far left top row and 3rd from the left bottom row. For all of them they have messy line quality and not fully wrapping around forms

will post some sketches with pen. any crit is appreciated. literally any.

>>3637910
2

>>3637910
3

>>3637761
What are you referencing?

>>3637915
ill be back i have to draw more. these are from yesterday

hey, I've recently gotten a decent flow of motivation to draw, and I wanted to start drawing bodies and people, specifically women, instead of my usual interest in plants, trees, and doodles.

How do I make my bodies more human realistic? What are some good ratios to follow? Is there a template for drawing a female body facing forward similar to a face template? I'm having trouble with breasts too specifically. And a bit of criticism would help too thanks

I draw'd a animu

>>3637939
based taste

>>3637939
Nose is a bit too pointy, other then that though pretty cute.

>>3637915
What is this supposed to be?

>>3637949
looks like the back of the head of a woman in a hat aiming a sniper rifle

>>3637935
one more, started to go a bit too crazy with the shading on the thighs

>>3637957
Oh what the fuck, I see it now. Could've sworn it was some kind of weird bird.

What is the best way to learn from Fun With a Pencil? Should I just copy everything from the book?

how do you build the chest of a side profile? do i use an oval or a smaller circle? also, what are the diagonals for in pic related? they are hanging me up, i cannot understand it so i feel like i cannot move on (because loomis himself stresses their importance)

>>3638037
The diagonals are for drawing equal rectangles in perspective. The ribcage is slightly oblong, but an egg shape will do if you remember to flatten one side a bit.

I did this for the group draw thread, but I'd like some critique. Thanks.

>>3637942
>>3637947
>>3637939
Improvments lads

>>3637964
try to copy, but do not stress over small details. acknowledge your mistakes and move on, only redraw if you feel like you will learn something from doing so. do not draw everything in the book either, draw enough to get familiar with the idea of building bodies and "meatballs" and then move on to something like figure drawing and drawabox for an idea of perspective. that is my journey anyways

>>3638053
how does it help me determine if the rectangles are in perspective? will the lines just not line up? i guess i need to understand how it can highlight a failure. is following 2 vanishing points not enough? i am also not sure of the process, do i draw the diagonals first?

>>3638065
That looks really good for a figure study. The arms could use some work, and the legs don't properly connect to the kneecaps

What kind of erasers should I get for graphite? I'm just using some standard white office erasers that I've cu[p up for more shape.

>>3637157
Pull in the protruding cheek a bit, pull the moth up a tiny bit, push the left eye to the right a bit, and smooth out the jawline

>>3637232
>>3637910
>>3637913
>>3637915
Noice

Are sheets of symbols and abstraction art? This is not mine, mine are much simpler.

>>3637133

>>3637935
>How do I make my bodies more human realistic?
The only way to do this is to spend a lot of time studying and memorizing male and female anatomy. You need to know how the forms are created under the skin in order to draw them correctly consistently. You don't necessarily need to actually know what each and every muscle is called, but knowing them makes them easier to search for and therefore study.

>>3638141
Art is whatever people accept as art. Whether a pile of shit is art or not is up to you. If you want to make money though you should probably follow the mainstream trends though.

Been trying to tackle some dynamic poses from the top of my head, but they just seem so lifeless. I try to feel it out, but I just can't seem to grasp the sense of weight and balance that sells an image.

>>3638258
maybe do some gesture drawings

Holy shit Loomis' Fun with a pencil is boring as fuck. I'm sick of drawing ugly old men.

>>3638372
How are you going to draw your anime porn without ugly old men?

>>3638372
then draw young men. young women, old women. a clown. a man with the nose of a pig.
the point is form and exaggerating features to show how they fit on that form, you don't just copy all his pictures - experiment, fuck them up and try again.

>>3638381
>>3638379
You're right. Thanks

Is it bad to use printing paper to draw? I'm a poorfag and I can't afford expensive art paper. I can only afford 350 pack of printer paper for $2

>>3638398
nah its fine keep drawing.

>>3638242
even the official definition does not represent that "anything goes" mentality
>the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
art is inherently skill oriented. people can call their piles of trash art but they are just piles of trash

There's like, as many ways of doing gesture drawing as there are people teaching how to do it. Who's teachings are good, based on working forward from gestures?

I need some crit, think that i gotta go back on brushing up my loomis knowledge.
My rendering is also abysmal, can't understand it in trad and neither digital.

>>3638463
ref

>>3638463
if you can't understand it in digital, don't do it in digital, learn it trad first

>>3637133
Started subtractive method still life with vine charcoal for intermediate drawing class at uni. Consists of foam packing blocks and curtain slider things, feel I have the proportions and such, what should I do to make it all pop?? - Thanks

>>3638463
push your values harder, you should be working from almost black to almost white.

>>3638453
michael hampton's gestures lead well in to mannequinisation because his gestures have you include some perspective, then build the 3D shapes starting with the spine (which is sort of your line of action).

>>3637761
this is you're brain on anime

>>3638463
>>3638465
Please for the love of God push your values, you have like three total tones here.

Some demonic figure I created a few years ago hope you like it

>>3638484
>>3638520
Ah shit, i didn't notice that it looked so washed out from the lack of value.
My main monitor's fucked up and the contrast and brightness took a hit, i didn't see anything wrong till i checked on my laptop.
I'll redo it.

pretty mediocre at digital art, trying to get myself used to the format.

how do you push for detail without it looking like noise or random strokes.

>>3638897
basically with a detail "gradient", try peter han's lessons on it. Dynamic sketching is a pretty good place to start your fundies

>>3638901
>Dynamic sketchin
1 or 2, thanks anyway

>>3638911
Dynamic sketching is a 16 (i think) part video lecture series for fundamentals by peter han. If you are vigiland you can possibly find a torrent or something. Otherwise, the lessons are like 1000 dollars or some shit. I would do both parts.

any tips for training yourself to not push so hard? I've realized I naturally push extremely hard when I write and draw, which leads to me accidentally drawing super dark lines that are hard to erase/don't make for good shading

>>3637133
do any of my fellow /beg/s keep a progress blog? if so do you update it daily or whenever you want? if so has it had any positive impact on your studying?

>>3638924
Clutch pencil with 2H lead....

.5mm with B lead. Refining tool.

>>3637133
do any of my fellow /beg/s keep a progress blog? if so does it have a positive impact on your studying?

>>3638933
not a blog but I number every single one of my pictures to keep a counter (for more motivation/discipline) and often just look back at my stuff.
I have wanted to start some sort've blog or whatever, but I am not happy with my stuff. I want to wait for that, but then I know I never will be happy, lel.

>>3638937
yea, i get that. maybe i should do that instead, cause my blog just kinda feels like more of an obligation than keeping track of my progress

>>3638924
relax your hand.

understand that there's an illusion of control that most people have. relax. just because you tense your body doesnt mean your lines iwll be better.

>>3637157
nigga you are symbol drawing

>>3637884
Are these any better?

The references I used are these:
https://transfer.sh/4Iofm/referenced_from.rar

>>3637216
that is wrong and is addressed not even half way into his beginner book

>>3638937
>>3638946
Ive been wanting to start a blog but like the other anon said I just dont feel good about one yet, then again looking at all the DAs and tumblr artists who also arent that great, I kinda feel like maybe I should. At least ill get my name out early.

ive finally figured out not only one but both flat diagram rendering methods. i was hung up because i both didn't know how to start or the purpose. but simply trying to overlay my flat diagram with the renders, i saw clear errors as lines weren't lining up. i drew these just to present my new understanding of the flat diagrams, please give me critique. i should use a straight edge, is something i definitely can say myself. this is real exciting

>>3637959
Its almost like she has a shortened spine, her pelvis is way too high up. Try elongating the torso, and try to imagine the gap between the bottom of the ribs and top of the pelvis.

Hi :)

I'm not interested in learning how to actually draw, I'd just like to know if you anons could give me tips on how to draw this bean style character. I know it's the easiest style of them all, but I love the character and I'd like to draw her in a non autistic way.

>>3639113
Should I even be asking here?

>>3639113
basic shapes

>>3639119
I'm stupid, wtf is that?

>>3639119
>>3639124
Oh, I see what you mean. But how would I apply that here? I always see people adding a kind of cross on a circle, and working from there. I guess for what it is it's just practice, sorry for bothering. Also, I keep messing up the eyes ffs.

I recommend you guys watch Hilda, it's pretty comfy and for being a SoL it has pretty decent writing.

practicing eyeballs

>>3639150
oh yeah please critic
the x marks are the ones I did badly
the y mark is probably the only one i did decent

>>3639144
fundamentals still apply to toons

>>3639144
loomis fun with a pencil

Thoughts? My first painting and was also wondering if anybody knew what style to classify it as.

>>3639157

/beg/style

i decided out of the blue a few days ago id try art but being i can't actually afford the paints i figure i would try my hand at the program thats like paint. i am a bit obssesed with space so i said fuck it lets try a lanscape space.

>>3638933
I did but I haven't updated in awhile. I need to get back to it, not like It's bad to have documented evidence of "you could have done more"

Can I get brutal criticism on my first attempt at painting.
I am trying to learn acrylic.

>>3639163
Pans, paper and some brushes are under 30 bucks. A decent tablet is 60. Pick both.

Can I get brutal criticism on my first attempt at painting.
I am trying to learn acrylic.

Posted wrong image at first.

>>3639199
It's shit. Do 50 more drawings and like 12 more attempts at painting before you post again. Then redraw things a couple more times before you post after that. The next crit will be useful.

Not the worst attempt I've seen though, there's promise.

>>3639046
rayciss

>>3639251
Loomis dindu nuffin.

One of my "best" drawings from October 2017 versus one of my favorite drawings from October 2018. I'm happy to see some improvement.

I wish I could spend more time on the inktober pieces. It kind of works though because I'm impatient anyways I guess and inking takes forever to do neatly.

>>3639199
If this is your first attempt at acrylic then I think you did a good job. Keep at it and you'll get more used to working with the medium. Improving your fundies / anatomy will also make it easier, so keep sketching even when you dont have access to your paints.

>>3637232
More mouse knight

How to lips?

How do i draw the body?

>>3639283
How did you improve that much wigga?

>>3639329
I still have a loooong way to go, but so far I think the main beneficial things have been grinding, using references whenever I can, watching tutorial videos and actually trying to implement what I learn from them.

I think the biggest thing though is doing things like inktober / other 30 day challenges. They're memey but they force me to actually practice, and go outside my comfort zone. Even better with friends doing it too, cause it's good motivation.

>>3639312
Less is more. Don't draw the full line. Find some references in the art style you like and see how they have done theirs.

i had misunderstood about lightening.

I was studying the book "anatomy of style" and I made this drawing on my sketchbook.
I could use some critique here.

any tips on drawing 3d shapes?

>>3637331
>the bottom one
not touching but i guess my painting doesnt really show the foreshortening very well. pinky is supposed to be bending at the knuckle joint. yeah the other fingers are a bit off and should be more like yours

>the top one
nigger pls. did you even try to recreat the pose? pic related even with shit quality you can tell its possible for only the pinky/ring nails to show while the other two dont

well any comments on the colors and rendering?

>>3637761
your proportions are off

>>3639399
Pls, use reference and learn basic construction of hands.

>>3638144
Practice your faces, tumblr face is common but not very pleasing, also stop hiding your hands, you will never be able to draw good hands if you dont practice at least one of them. Also try to draw full figure not just waist up. Basically if somet hing is hard for you to draw, draw it.

>>3639199
Good one for a first try. Too bad its the worst girl and not merula.

>>3639426
nigga i clearly wasnt posting an exact copy of the pose. just something to show the nails. this pic might be better. posting so i can transfer to my pc to better check the overlay easier

>>3639426
>>3639464
okay youre right and im retarded. guess i better start drawing my hand better. how. are. my. colors.

school project, concept "dream city", hand drawn + ruler, 2m x 1.5m size, critiques?

>>3639513
noice

>>3639513
What's Tetropolis like in the Fall?

>>3639571
Wtf are you talking about?

>>3638918
Don't feel like making more corrections atm.

sketch I made 3 or 4 weeks ago while reading fun with a pencil, and the same sketch made today while reading figure drawing for all it's worth (and after reading perspective made easy, but I shouldn't brag about it since the perspective is fucked).
/ic/, I'm happy, I feel like I improved in something

what level is this?

can someone tell me whether this hair is convincing? is this the right strategy for this? where can i learn about how to do this?

>>3639251
it was the common understanding at the time. the modern self deceptions are a recent addition to our thinking

>>3639685
A 3 year old toddler could do better
start fucking practicing like you really mean it

Thoughts, please?

>>3637195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg&app=desktop

critique please. what am i doing wrong?

Not a beginner as I've been sketching since I was 7-8.

I never progressed on the technical side of things. Part of me didn't want to, but as I get older, I feel my patience getting stronger.

Gave myself the challenge of doing one illustration per week for a year, i would love some help and advice

/ic/ how do you prevent yourself from getting bored or dishearted when you draw?
>just fucking draw
I draw every day but when it doesn't turn out the way I want or takes to long I start to get upset and give up way to fast.
Any tips?

>>3639804
I think you should concentrate on anatomy and gesturing.

>>3639805
For me, music and dim lighting (enough to see obviously)

I find surreal, repetitive stuff gives my thoughts the energy to stay focused.

Of course, this is for better or worse on your technical skill.

>>3639720
Loomis was actually pretty terrible at drawing non whites

>>3639723
can you tell me how to practice like I mean it?
pls

I'm working through Robertson's HtD but I don't think he addresses this specific question. Let's say in the left drawing that lines A and B are the edges of a road on the ground and the viewer is standing in the middle of the road looking straight ahead. Then the line C that is perpendicular to A and B and cuts the road straight across is just parallel to the horizon line. But in the right diagram, where we're viewing the road from a different angle, how would I construct the equivalent of line C from the left diagram? Basically if I have a vanishing point and some parallel lines in the same plane converging to that point, how do I find a line in that same plane perpendicular to those parallel lines?

bunch of sketches from this month. general crit appreciated

>>3637874
Nice

>>3639981

Pick another vanishing point where you want. Draw a line from it to your parallel lines. And there you have it - a perpendicular line. Think of it as drawing the box in two point perspective.

>>3639730

There's no continuity. Check out the line where wall meets the floor. It's all broken!

I'd suggest to read "Perspective Made Easy" first. Don't spend too much shading, it's better to have perspective fundamentals and intuition mastered first.

>>3639805
Focus on construction more. Draw from real life, it's fun. Don't draw one face for 2 hours. Draw 20 faces for 2 hours. You'll get much better faster.

Read art books, do lessons. This should motivate you more.

>>3639945
>>3639798
Read the sticky.

>>3640042
all that is some motivational bullshit. I just want to know how to practice, do I just find a pic, and draw from that, or do poses, or whatever the fuck.
been doing this shit on and off for over a year, bumbling around in the dark gets really fucking old

>>3640049
It took me around two years to finally click, just keep going and finding drills and exercises and focus on fundamental forms

>>3640049
Draw everything, don't focus on one thing. Pick random poses and draw them. Then pick random animals and draw them. Then maybe you watched some movie/series/anime and found a character that looks interesting. Draw them.

There's no one path like "draw X, then Y and then you'll get good". No, everything you draw will make you better as long as you push yourself and don't waste time drawing without learning.

>>3640029
>Pick another vanishing point where you want
That doesn't seem correct though. Picking another vanishing point at random can lead to lines that are obviously crooked. You can see here that line C is roughly the (well, a) line that cuts the road made by A and B horizontally, while the other two lines are incorrect, especially the rightmost of the three attempts. So there should be a way to construct C exactly rather than just eyeballing it.

>>3640050
Ew, contour drawings. Learn gesture.

>>3640068
That's because you've picked the second vanishing point too close in two cases, which looks like very distorted photo of object too close to the camera. (But still valid! This CAN be a perpendicular to your two lines)

Usually vanishing points are far from each other. The closer they're to each other, the more distorted the image appears. Pretty sure there's something about this in either Robertson or "Perspective Made Easy". As far as I know there's no one true way to pick a distance between vanishing points to make things look right. It's a matter of intuition and what looks good.

learn me how to make 3d spheres

first time doing poses that are really out of my comfort zone (after portraits for basically all my life). How the hell do you make this pose not look like hes been beheaded.

also pls ignore the bad lines because i just really wanted to get the shape down.

>>3640068
like pic related. vp2 is 90 degrees from vp1.
therefore line c should be drawn to vp2.

I think, im noob also

>>3639327
roughly learn how too construct a realistic body first (some YT tutorials or skim through loomis) and then practice adjusting to the weebshit proportions of whatever weebshit you want to replicate

>>3637136
Late but use your judgement and experiment. The amount and intensity of shadow you render will convey the lighting.

>>3639981
Hmm, okay I feel what you want to know is not the same as what you are asking.

What I think you are asking is if you rotate your viewing point from one position to another, like if you war watching a cube straight on and then look at it from an angle, how do I find the new vanishing points? Well, that's where you use diagonal points and rotation angles. Scott covers that a bit rushed but some other books go a bit more int depth. It's basically trigonometry, look for cones of view and such.

Now, your question, Line C goes to a vanishing point but due to how 1PP are handle, that VP is basically at infinite distance on the horizon, so it's effectively parallel to it. If you move lines A/B to a vanishing point on the side, C would still go to infinite because those are the rules of 1PP, so it would still be parallel to the horizon. That's why on 1PP stuff starts to look weird when you look at them from outside the center.

>>3640057
>>3640064
fine, I'll do this after I am not drunk

wip
the head doesn't match but I'm mostly practicing light/shadows and also how to blend brushes

>>3640088
I did this by imagination

>>3639798
Your facial features are too large and squished. It looks like she has some form of fetal alcohol syndrome.

>>3639719
answer this please for me lads

how do you make a 3d ball i cant figure it out

>>3639719
>>3640274
Don't draw a bunch of individual strands, it's very unconvincing. Think of hair like you would any other three dimensional form, block in areas of high and low value, then use a thick brush to strategically add detail.

Also push your values on the body more.

>>3640275
First practice circles till you do them perfect.

>>3637874
I really like the look of the girl and the vibes of this

>>3639681
Damn, that was a fast improvement. I need to get around reading those books sooner or later.

Any critiques? I think I messed the face up and the hand.

Still waiting for my glasses so I drew this to keep productive.
Still learning charcoal.
Gonna get some vine. This is compressed.
Hitting up Michaels on Monday.
I’m fucking all in.
Couldn’t be more excited.
About to continue on a sketch of a picture of a marble figure, a chick with boobs showing and flowing robe type thing.

>>3640350
Oops forgot pic

>>3637133
I've been trying to take art more seriously (while still balancing school and interviews and such). I've been doing the "draw-a-box" tutorials on-and-off for about several months, and I'm blown away by how much I improved. I know it's not perfect (and I still can't perspective draw for shit), but I'm more motivated to improve now!
Thanks /ic/! You're actually really awesome!

Besides "draw-a-box", what do you recommend I do? I've heard Loomis is a pretty good resource. Thoughts?

>>3640364
at least there is improvement

>>3640364
You need to slow down how fast you're drawing those lines. Lock your wrist, use your elbow or shoulder. Ghost the lines first before starting the 8 stroke pass.

Frayed edges are caused by drawing too quickly. Uneven strokes are caused by going too slowly. You're also starting each stroke at a different location, which means you are going too fast and still have poor line control (because of your speed).

6 months of on/off practice with basic line fundies should have given you near perfect straights at least. So really, SLOOOOOOOW DOOOOOOOWN.

>>3640352
>those VALUES
gmi

>>3640373
Thanks for the heads up!!! I'll make sure to apply it!

>>3640368
Lol.

day 3 (4?) of loomis
idk how to draw lips or women

>>3640381
Going to sleep on that thought.
Thanks:)

>>3637910
do you have any finished pieces?

>>3640406
he does not

>>3640390
Top left and bottom left look like characters straight out of Hotline Miami

>>3640427
yeah i noticed that
must be because i draw so close to 3/4ths
going to try to do more extreme angles tomorrow

Is Drawabox a good place to start for a beginner? I mean like, can't even draw stick figures well beginner. My end goal is to draw people and animals on various environmental backgrounds, mostly in fantasy and modern settings. Also the style I'd most like to learn is American comic book style. Sorry if this gets asked way too much, I'm brand new here.

>>3640538
sticky

How do I figure out the angle and perspective of the nose?
How would it look like if the the person was looking up or down?

>>3640676
You need to learn perspective.

How bad is it to use real photos of people in different poses as reference for your comic style drawings?

I'm struggling to draw female anatomy from mind. Except for asses and thighs, I can draw these somewhat well for a beginner but the rest is horrible.

>>3640700
There is never ever anything wrong with using reference. If you want, use reference for the rest of your life, the goal of drawing from imagination has to be your own goal, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Drawing from imagination is hard, there's no reason you have to be able to do that to create your art. In fact, I'd say using reference correctly, to create and design pieces is a skill in itself.

>>3640390
You won't know for years.
Draw as much as possible. Set a daily schedule of drawing X hours a day and stick to it come hell or high water. It's the bestway to improve.

>>3640711
Thanks Anon, this calms me greatly. I looked up "drawing with references" and people said you should never use them, even if you try to draw something like the empire state building. I know how the building looks, but also I don't really know how it looks. Same with the anatomy.

Was thinking about getting myself one of these anatomy dolls, maybe that could also help.

My sole goal currently is being able to draw a picture that someone would want to fap to so anatomy is my #1 priority.

>>3640145
I think this is the right idea, and I think this is the idea that Robertson talks about on pages 24 and 25. If two vanishing points make an angle of 90 degrees with the station point (the point where the viewer is considered simply as a point in the 2D space of the page) then the two sets of lines that converge to those vanishing points are perpendicular. But that leaves the question of how exactly you know where the station point is. I don't think there's a principled reason for assuming that the station point is right at the end of line B like you do. I guess if you set up your cone of vision before you start drawing then you'll know where it is? I'm still pretty new to this stuff. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can verify.

>>3640722
You categorically cannot learn to draw human anatomy, nor the empire state building without reference. That would be symbol drawing, or you're an professional, with a huge visual library.

I'm so tired of not being able to improve my digital work, it all turns out stiff and awful. I love drawing but Im starting to not want to do it anymore, some critique on this piece would be really helpful.

>>3641092
stop drawing anime?

>>3640858
I don't know and im trying to figure this out also now.

my assumption is this is how you use the station point the get the cone of vision then you put your actual road inside that.

but what confuses me then is, what if you want your whole composition inside the cone of vision.?

>>3641131
I was hoping for some actual critique but oh well, I've tried to develop my own style for some time but It all turns out awful.

>>3641134
I'm not one to speak but you probably shouldn't try to get a style before you can draw what you see, compare your own work to that ref, that artist can draw that way because he understands everything from gesture, anatomy, perspective, shading and lineweight, and you really don't

>>3641132
if blue is 90 that might get the whole composition inside the cov. it just puts the left vp very far off page

>>3641092
>>3641134
i agree with >>3641136
you are oversimplifying, it shows in your work.
try something else. and do more studies. i can already read your process which is not good.

Honestly man. your piece is offensively bad. be careful who you show it to, if you are in school or something.

>>3641092
>>3641134
You're going to ask for critique and then get uppity and upset about your 'style' when you get it? That poster is right, if you want to learn to draw figures well you first have to learn to draw from life.

>>3641144
>>3641136
>>3641149
I've just never gotten such harshly worded critique, It hurts to hear but I understand where they're coming from.

>>3641092
u should draw what u see not what you want to see because your braineyes are stupid

>>3641155
anon, are you retarded

>>3641158
yes I am but at least the arist he referenced drew a cute girl in a dress sitting down instead of a horrible monster with bowling pins for legs

Yeah I know anime and all that...

>>3641160
I didn't realize it was that bad, im sorry...

>>3641092
If you want to draw anime forget about the rendering for now. Like the other anon said, you should be working on your drawing skills, and learn to draw from reference (at least till you can decently replicate what you see). After that you should really learn construction

>>3640275
bump pls help

>>3641161
Cute. Is that miia.

How do I make my art more appealing? Everything I draw seems to lack charm. It's not horrible, but it's boring. Mediocre. How do I give my art pizzazz?

>>3641185
Less meaningless buzzwords, more thinking with your dick. The one in your heart.

>>3641169
By utilizing light and dark, honestly. If you're just thinking about the external surface of a perfect sphere in perspective, it's no different than a flat circle.

Whatever

read the sticky, got some books to steal
thanks for the info

>>3641199
i have found every book in the sticky as free online PDFs

>>3641201
I know, but you are still 'stealing' them

>>3640275
http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1539486035938.jpg
That was posted a few above yours.
Study value and light source.
The sphere that poster drew looks decent but the light source and cast shadow aren’t perfectly congruent.

>>3641203
dont mind me, im just pirating this child

>>3639981
mark your points and then pick 1 of them and place it where you want that one to be moved too, then draw a line between them to the horizon line to get a new measuring VP, then from that VP back to the other point you didn't select and where they cross with your lines coming from the 1ppVP is where the new point is maintaining the original size in perspective.

if you want to rotate the other one around the vp you just whip out the compass and draw some circles and gg

the right diagram you can literally draw whatever you like because its a separate diagram and you have nothing to refer too, it has no scale information or anything

>>3641199
I thought loomis books were free to the public

>>3641132
Oh shit, so if you draw any circle and decide that you want that circle to represent, say, a 60 degree cone of vision, then that uniquely fixes your station point? Just do you what you did there and find the unique point so that it's 30 degrees from that point to the left side of the COV and 30 degrees to the right. That makes everything way easier if I'm understanding this right.

So in theory if you had a massive piece of paper, you could draw a big circle that encompassed the whole area for your picture, find the unique station point (once you decide that the circle is, say, a 60 degree COV) and then you can start finding vanishing points at any angle from there. Usually your vanishing points and station point will be way off the page, but if I'm understanding the principle then I'm happy.

>>3641268
it is but loomis isn't art guy to write a book, plus I like using art books from games as references

>>3641260
Oh that's useful as fuck. Taking advantage of the fact that A1 and B1 are translated along parallel paths to get to A2 and B2. Thanks for that.

>>3641275
Yes, generally art is just a framed box(picture) inside of the cone of vision but can be outside of it too although it would get super distorted.
The station point is where the viewers vision is, the reason it is under the picture is because the math works out the same that way, so say you were 6foot away from the pictureplane with a pendulum from between your eyes to the center of vision on the picture plane(the 1pp in 1pp) and dropped the pendulum, it would fall 90degrees down in an arc to 6foot below.

>>3641283
the reason it looks a bit fucky is because trying to constrain the same size into the new A and B you created, in general you would just be like "i wanna move this here" then measure it up like that, draw the straight line, then from the new points (a2/b2) draw to the VP finding the new perspective

thoughts?

I’m pretty new to drawing so any critiques would be appreciated!

>>3641302

>>3641204
im actually talking about how to make the guidelines in perspective so that I can make a loomis head

>>3641275
you should download gnomon workshop fundamentals of perspective with gary meyer.
it covers all these perspective tricks.

>>Usually your vanishing points and station point will be way off the page, but if I'm understanding the principle then I'm happy.

yes they will be, that much I know.
or you can do a smaller drawing and get them on page.

>>3638141
Can someone explain to me why people do this? I would rather stab my eyes out. It seems so meaningless and time consuming. And all a person does is draw curves out and out from the corner with symmetrical, ostensibly meaningless doodles on each curve.

Can someone explain why they do this, I truly dont understand.

>>3641407
Hallucinogens

>>3641407
Same reason there's coloring books full of them. It's relaxing or something and occasionally looks nice.

Me? I prefer a sadomasochistic relationship with water media.

>>3641407
I dunno man, but I hate it too and I hate that it gets thousands of upvotes on leddit. I think because it reminds me of the "whoa deep dude" stoner culture that I also don't like.

>>3641427
Don't see what the problem is with it.
I also hate "Whoa dood....do you remember that time we were ultra high? Yeah, 7:00 am this morning was great. Hey dude......do you wanna.....get high later? Or something? Get high? Okay, let's get high this time. Hey dood, bring the stuff over so we can get high off your stuff, but you have to leave when it wears off."

>>3641469
Heh.

Does she look like a war general /beg/?

>>3641542
No. Look up actual uniforms of general throughout history. Pick and choose the cool parts then get creative. Then draw her fingering herself,

>>3641545
Thiseroni

>>3641545
Working on it rn

>>3638470
Your values seem to be just one.
I really cannot tell what it is because it’s only one value and white.

>>3639719
Try to stay consistent with the level of detail in your drawing. If you draw each strand of hair individually, it'll look a bit weird on a low detail face. Try shading/detailing your face more, or don't make the hair individual strands.

>>3637846
Is that a Jojo pose?

>>3639451
I'm not him but please define a tumblr face?

still progressing. Looking at it now it feels like i need to adjust the angle on the shoulder to more up closer to the head sense she is putting her weight on the left arm...

>>3638144
I feel like she has no story. Her personnality, what she reflects in this moment, should be translated in her pose and attitude. I find those too generic. It's not only about writing comics or anything. It's about all coming together to give life to your drawings, especially if yo'ure going for a cartoon style.
Ask yourself. Who she roughly is, what she's doing/thinking/acting in pic and reflect this in pose and expression (later, in the rest of the picture, comp, lighting etc, but don't fill your head with this rn)

>>3638372
Then don't use his method. Lookup YT teachers like Sycra or whatever. Just find anyone you resonnate with and it'll make learning more fun.

>>3638398
It's only bad if you don't draw. Draw with your shit on a rock if you have to. It's not important. Everything you draw is experience if you don'tdraw compulsively/mindlessly.

So I watched a snippet of a Cesar Santos drawing vid and I tried a very quick charcoal sphere drawing to see how a dry sponge works blending.
Here’s the result.
The first I took my time getting the contour of the sphere correct before anything else and from there used graphite pencil and charcoal and a tortillion, the second I didn’t really care about the shape of the sphere so much, just wanted to test out blending with the sponge like Santos seems to do..
Anyway, just something I wanted to show.
Also was seeing if the cast shadow looked proper in the second one.
P.s. regretted not taking the time in the 2nd one to get the contour right......why would I not take the opportunity to draw correctly when I have the chance duh!

>>3641746
nice
what you drawing with

>>3641760
Photoshop CC, oil Pastel Brush, on a Cintiq 13HD

how do you draw this shit correctly

>>3641780

>>3641780
there was a pretty big argument back in the day apparently

>>/ic/thread/1636269#p1646347

>>3641795
fucking kek

>>3641805
Forgot to add text but this was my first time trying out some Copics, I dont quite understand how to blend very well and its kinda hard to maintain the lighter colors cause of the bleeding, maybe its my shitty sketchbook?
Any tips appreciated.

>>3637133
Can someone give me tips for drawing on a tablet? There is a huge disconnect between my pencil skills and digital skills.

>>3641812
use it every day
you'll adapt, nothing more to it

>>3641782
thanks

>>3641782
that's gonna be a yikes from me

>>3641780
wing it

not gonna lie guys "learning" to "draw" is one of the least fun things I've experienced

>>3637133

Need advices, criticism please

>>3642018
keepe drawing

>>3642015
I drew what I wanted to draw
when look like shit
I looked stuff that would not make it look like shit

>>3642015
it sucks as an adult because your standards are high and your mind is on the goal. plus, it takes like a year to even be able to push out decent figures from reference. all you can do is persevere.

You know why we're here.
TO DRAW BOOBS

>ok I'll start with gesture drawing
>literally 70% of all references are like 40% covered by clothes
is there such a thing as practicing cloths too early

>>3642039
Fuck clothes.
I just wanna masturbate while I'm drawing.
Clothes are for faggots.

Can someone just post a study plan for me? I'm clearly too useless a person to follow anything I come up with. Something like "do this for X hours then do this for X hours per day" etc.

>>3642077
Just draw for 1 hour per day.

>>3642039
I'm a /beg/ for four years now and still haven't touched clothes because I wanna be able to draw non-deformed humans first before I overlay stuff to hide my mistakes.

>>3642078
>Just draw for 1 hour per day.
Seriously good advice. It takes mileage to know what you need to study and work on, as well as how to go about it.

>>3642078
Draw what though?

>>3642088
Anything. Maybe today you draw a lion, maybe tomorrow you draw a couple hands and feet, a few humanoid figures the day after that.

>>3642088
If you dont know what to draw, you need to find another hobby.

anyone have the buttons on a wacom stylus wear down to the point that the click registers to slightest touch? is this even a fucking thing? gonna suck if i have to buy a new pen

>>3642106
oh and its like 3 years old btw

Is learning observational drawing THAT important? My main goal is character designing and comics so I figured construction would be the most important.

If so, any tips/sources to get to work on that shit? I just want to make it and will do whatever it takes to do so (and yes I've seen the sticky recommendations just wanna know anything else that isnt on there)

>>3642178
Most artists of any merit have done more life drawing than one would think and and it shows in their work. How are you going to render drapery if you don't know what it looks like? Or light, or people that don't look like you've never drawn a real person before? Architecture, water, trees. Go outside and draw. You'll improve in ways you can't even comprehend right now. Ideas come to you by being presented with novel situations that don't come trying to imagine.

It's pretty much measure, block in, measure again, find an appealing way to represent form and value. Construct if necessary. Steal from other artists. Look at the end goal as putting down accurate enough information to be able to draw it from a different angle, or in different light, or be able to make a more aesthetic substitution. People on here don't even know what fashion is, much less how to draw it.

>>3637133
any tips on doing gesture lines or controlling lines?

>>3637133
well i did this and after finishing michael hamptoms forst week of tutorials about anatomy i felt really good doing this, gotta clean it and finish it on photoshop

>>3642444
Gorgeous gremlin you drew there.

>>3642505
t..thanks anon

>>3642505
may i look at your work plz

>>3641805
Unless you put all your stats in skull drawing, you're probably finished with /beg/.
Time to move to the big leagues.

>>3642520

drawing this pose.

>>3642523
hot, nice anon keep on going, ill do the same

>>3642243
Yeah, look at how Vilppu does gesture and copy that. He has a lot of videos on youtube, they're easy to find.
His system is basically to draw a wireframe of the figure, using lines that go through and around the form. It sometimes involves drawing direct contour lines but that's somewhat discouraged. His method allows you to establish the volume and orientation of the major forms of the figure in a very small number of strokes.
What you're doing now is basically just tracing the contour outline of the figure. The ultimate point of a gesture drawing is just to serve as a scaffolding for a more developed figure drawing, so if you feel the contour method works for you then that's fine, but I see a couple potential disadvantages to it. The first is that it's more difficult to show subtle changes in orientation (rotation in space) using contours alone (look at the right legs you drew in the top row, viewed in isolation from the rest of the body, and compare them to the corresponding legs in the reference photos). By using wrapping lines, going around the form like it's a cylinder, you can more clearly express how everything is arranged. Also the contour method can sometimes lead to more static poses because it doesn't encourage you to think about the internal flow of the figure. Finally the contour lines close off your forms at the very first stage of the drawing, while the wireframe method encourages you to leave things more open and ambiguous in the beginning, giving you more opportunity to move and scale forms as the drawing develops. Basically just look up some of Vilppu's gesture videos and see which approach makes more sense to you.
As far as actual mechanics go. I would recommend drawing very slowly, even taking some time between strokes to stop and think about where you want your next line to go. I think it's really unfortunate that gesture drawing is so closely with short timed exercises, 1 minute poses, 2 minute poses, etc. (cont below)

>>3642577
A gesture drawing isn't supposed to be a record of your instantaneous impression of a figure, but it's supposed to be a rational plan, like an engineer's schematic, that guides you in the development of your drawing. Like Vilppu says, it doesn't have to be precise, but it does have to be deliberate.
I would recommend taking a very soft pencil and drawing slowly and lightly until you get the hang of it, but of course once you're experienced you can draw them however you want.
One thing to watch out for in gesture drawings is proportions. Because it's supposed to be a less precise phase of the drawing, it's easy to let things get out of hand. Some of your drawings have giant feet, legs too small, etc. This is again something you'll do a lot better on by drawing more slowly.

Should I spend money on a fountain pen or something simliar? Are there any trusted brands or recommended price ranges?
I ruined a decent sketch a few days ago likely from a cheap pen. (or maybe I just need to get good at long, continuous linework, take your pick) I saw a video of a fountain pen in use and noted how smooth and uniformly thick the lines were. I eventually plan on getting a drawing tablet, should I just save my money until then and practise pencil and charcoal sketches?

>>3642603
Definitely get a cheap fountain pen if you want to try one. Like a $10-$20 one. Fountain pens can be touchy and not everyone likes them.

>>3642018
hair needs detail, proportions looks a little fisheye (unless thats style)

Been revisiting Loomis for the past week. Tell me if these look like I'm getting it.
1/5

>>3642683
2/5

>>3642685
3/5

>>3642686
4/5

>>3642687
5/5

Want to transition from physical to digital drawing. What’s your favorite free art/image editing program, and why?

>>3642687
>>3642688
Dear god, to have this little amount of observational ability, and to lack any kind of visual talent. I wish you much luck, you will need it.

>>3642714
don't be a dick

>>3642714
Could you be more specific with your critiques? I'm not sure what you're implying I should be working on to improve.

>>3642707
Photoshop CS6 picked up at your nearest sea port for free.

>>3642707
ms paint

I just wanna draw weeb shit but I cant even draw normal shit

>>3642782
practice moron

>>3642782
Man, most people gotta churn out like 100 pages of pure SHIT before they can draw anything considered normal.

Can someone give me the anchor points, and forms, for the gluteus maximus, gluteus medius, tensor fasciae latae, and the iliotibial band? I have the skelly app so I can provide any angle of the bones, if you want to just trace it on to that.

>>3642733
not that anon but i can see what he means.
Your construction and contour of these
>>3642686
>>3642685
>>3642683
looked ok ish just need to work on curving your lines around the shape more.

>>3642687
>>3642688
These need waaaay more work. I think its the style and the line weight that gives this an uncanny vibe.
Your drawings are like pic related.
Need better understanding in contouring.
I think its the way you also put on your eyes on the face and the wrinkles/detail
Its a slow process and i'm sure you'll get there.

>>3642707
free? everything is free on the internet, more or less
but actual free, try autodesk sketchbook, free brushes in app, from their website not windows store, it went free this year, you only need an autodesk account.

where the new /beg/?

>>3642731
These threads are troll threads.

He starts these threads to put people off drawing by using ad-hominem instead of constructive criticism.
He will try to pass off his ad-hominem as "help" and "advice" which many people will believe for some reason.

I do not know why people can not see how they are getting trolled by these threads whenever the people making the remarks give no constructive criticism.

If someone is going on about "how shit this is" or "yUo suck because you are not nipponese" then it's not constructive criticism and should not be taken on board. Constructive criticism which is actual advice would be something like "This part that goes across is out of balance, it would need to be".... etc or something like that not "OMG you are so awful at drawing you will never work for konami because you can't even draw a ball with a line in the proper way that the nips do it, just give up now because you are wasting time. stop sukcing and get better"

Can you see how you are all getting trolled?

>>3643212
ngmi

I want to improve the shading on this, any tips?

>>3643235
Perfect example.

>>3643242
try a bigger range of values, bounced light
ground him.
look for models in a similar pose.

Sketching lighting options and perspective.

if I can never fit 4 fingers on my hands should I just become a cartoonist

Perspective is some black magic voodoo satan shit and the primary reason I can’t or don’t draw
Is it a matter of grinding until it clicks or what? I always expected this “aha” moment where I didn’t draw physical impossibilities but it never happened

NEW THREAD
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