/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Posting my cat again, since it was the last post of the previous thread.

>>3628333
Reposting from last thread, I doodle at work but want to take it more seriously. Any advice is welcome

Dumping more from last thread

More dumpage

Last one for now

>>3627849

Hey anon your gestures and shapes are really great, try to make your lines clearer and less fuzzy.

There

>>3628341
>i want to take it more seriously
Did you even read the /beg/ or /ic/ sticky? Start by learning to observe and glean the resources around you. Once you've found and read those, come back.

>>3628350
This is really cool, I love the pose and detail. Work on those hands though; the pose is stiff and unnatural compared especially to the body and they don't seem to really be holding the swords. Also consider framing and the size of your page when drawing.

>>3628358
*the pose of the hands are stiff compared to the body
Wasn't clear, my bad.

>>3628360
Thank you, I'll try to work on that

Another of my drawings

>>3628372
I fucking forgot to reframe it

tried some faces
faces looking up I find the most difficult

>>3628427
even anime faces look weird

>>3628453
*from the top

>>3627085
As promised, decided to challenge myself today. These are pretty bad! I'm hanging out in the midtone zone and I struggle to push darks when I hatch (as opposed to when I do texture). I'm gonna do some lighting and value studies today, hopefully get around to working on my penmanship too. Thanks for the inspiration, anon.

More angery edge doodles, I just wanna be good dammit.

Friend A from "Please don't bully me, Nagatoro"

>start drawing
>love it and enjoy it
>really want to get better
>voice in the back of my head keeps telling me to quit and that I dont actually like it

Why the fuck is my brain like this?

>>3628478
I don't think that's enough practice man.
you want at least half a page of each thing.
half lines, half curvy lines, half circles, half forms. half textures like hatching, if not whole pages.
2 pages takes me about 40 mins.
you need to burn them into muscle memory if you want to get better.

>>3628516
stop drawing anime crap

>>3628556
ok then, back to western style

>>3628556
but we're on 4chang

>>3628556

>>3628333

>>3628333
aaahhh why would you use my thing for the OP

>>3628551
kek, you're right, i was being a lazyass. will go do that now.

>>3628752
I try to pick fundamentals or studies that I think were effortful while capturing how beginner art tends to look. Seeing people do studies and fundies inspires me and makes me hopeful for everyone's progress, and that's the sort of tone I like to set for the threads.

>>3628341
use an ounce of brainpower and creativity, don't fall back on media tropes such as the small hands gag, very lazy. don't be a transparent creator.

drew this
feet are lazy yeah

day 2 of loomis
i dont know what im doing
im scared

What is the best way to have nice highlights without skin looking oiled or wet? Any good examples or references for highlights on different textures? Pic related is supposed to be matte.

>>3628813
avoid pure white

>>3628811
Dont be scared anon!

The top head looks nice. You expressed the forms really well. I get a good sense of his skull shape and where his flesh sags.

The bottom one looks really flat in general. The eyes are also way too big and they lack depth. eyes are spheres, so we want to be able to get a hint of that in the drawing. the cheeks and mouth could use some more emphasis on their 3D shapes, and the nose is a good start--I see the ball of the nose, the septum, and the nostrils, but the bridge of the nose looks really flat. Your lines should help imply the underlying forms.

>>3628796
The feet arent nearly as much of a problem as their left hand is. That wrinkly shit is not lining up with where the wrist bends, neither is the fat/muscle patting on the palm. Also the left arm is way skinnier than the right; fatten that fucker up.

Could use some collarbones too.

>tablet starts acting up 5 minutes into day 4
guess this is what I deserve for leaving it in a drawer for 7 years

>>3628843
I threw mine in a dumpster once and it still works. How the fuck did you fuck up yours so bad? IS it a physical issue or a software one?

>>3628813

>>3628847
Are you going to contribute anything to these threads aside from badly done drawovers? Just wondering.

>>3628846
every couple strokes it sticks on being "down" for like 10 seconds even though I lift it way up, the little white tip is broken probably but then again it's a piece of shit wacom bamboo
I just wanted to draw a potato

>>3628853
Adjust pen pressure/touch settings and restart your driver.

Also, little white tip? do you mean the nib or something else?

I feel like i don't make progress any advice?

>>3628849
gesture battle me.

>>3628856
Ok meet me outside at 5pm tomorrow.

>>3628855
Did you read the sticky?

>>3628854
yep aaand I broke it

>>3628861
Buy a new one and cum on it for good luck

>>3628867
Can i cum on you instead just for good luck haha..

>>3628867
I can't afford any more drawing tablets
looks like my artist career must end prematurely

Drawing again after ~3 year hiatus due to college.

There's something that's fucked up about the perspective of the head and neck that I can't put my finger on and don't think I can fix. Also I forgot to horizontal flip at all while working.

>>3628847

>>3628843
that's what you get for 1) using a tablet as a beginner and 2) naming your days on your """""""""""grind"""""""""

>>3628871
>Drawing again after ~3 year hiatus due to college.


You could have drawn but you didn't don't try to excuse yourself.

>>3628878
You rite tho

Draw from life emmer effers!

>>3628884
Yeah the ellipses are off and the values need work, and I need glasses but it was from life.
Learn to measure.
Compare.
Get it right from the beginning and the rest is cake.

>>3628876
gee sorry I'll quit drawing if it's so bad

>>3628884
Didn't you post this a few days ago?

>>3628861
>>3628870
Dude you can buy new nibs or better yet, buy trimmer wire, the /ic/ sticky has the brand and size/softness listed

idk which thread is right.. Anyway. How am i doing?

>>3628897
nice hands

>>3628897
You've got some issues with perspective and anatomy, but you're off to a good start.

>>3628894
Yes.
I used this to draw attention to what I wanted to say.
And to answer your next smart as question, because I cannot see shit and am waiting for the leases to be installed into my frames.
When I get my glasses you’ll get new stuff and then you’ll have new material from me to critique.

>>3628551
Hey do you have any suggestions for form exercises and textures I can practise gradient with? Or at least books with some good exercises. I'm using Han, Hampton, Robertson's books for the most part right now.

>>3628537
Because you're highly critical of yourself, or because someone in your life was highly critical of you in a disparaging way. Learn to shut that voice up and combat it with a more positive, level-headed voice. It takes time but the results are worth it.

>>3628924
Bro chill, was just asking because I was going to suggest you post new work for us to see, I'm interested in your progress because I like your work. Not everyone on here is a hostile sea-dwelling crustacean.

>>3628871
Was this from imagination? I can feel the weight of the jacket.

>>3628897
The horizontal line in 1 point perspective is describing the shape and will always be the same as it goes off into space.
Your structures are ended with different angled lines.

>>3628943
Yeah, it was. I was feeling a little iffy about that jacket actually, couldn't get a good mental image of how it should fall.

>>3628897
>>3628946
granted that there aren't any slopes at any one angle.

>>3628950
Get some references next time. Imagination is good but pad it with some references to cue you visually.

Don't try drawing 100% from imagination unless you can draw all the parts with confidence. Especially don't draw 100% from imagination when you're just starting or out of practise.

>>3628950
have you studied the 7 folds of drapery?
It appears so, but this ref might help if you ever doubt.

http://info.id-p.ru/folds.htm

>>3628946
>>3628951
okay, wait a sec.
>>3628897
this is actually 2 point on the objects to the left.
I'm tired. Maybe the placement and tilt is wonky, idk.

>>3628954
>>3628950
I'm also very impressed by the fabric lining the inside of the jacket. Looks believable, like I could grip it.

>>3628954
Not the anon youre replying to but holy fuck i had no idea these had names, thank you for posting this

>>3628953
Yeah, you're right. I should've planned out my process better.

>>3628954
>>3628958
Thanks! I had actually never seen this reference before but that's extremely helpful for next time.

i hate my life

>>3629006
Looking good but I think you need to measure things more carefully, a lot of things are out of place. Also it might be better to work in B&W as a beginner so that color doesn't distract you.

>>3629014
Thx i'll do more b&w

I'm reading a book that is telling me to do this exercise but I'm confused on what it's supposed to be teaching me.

1. Copy the pattern (either Figure 4-2 or 4-3). If you are righthanded, copy the profile on the left side of the paper, facing toward the center. If you are left-handed, draw the profile on the right side, facing toward the center. Examples are shown of both the right-handed and left-handed drawings. Make up THE NEW DRAWING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BRAIN
your own version of the profile if you wish.
2. Next, draw horizontal lines at the top and bottom of your profile, forming top and bottom of the vase (Figures 4-2 and 4-3).
3. Now, redraw the profile on your "Vase/Faces" pattern. Just take your pencil and go over the lines, naming the parts as you go, like this: "Forehead ... nose ... upper lip ... lower lip ...
chin . . . neck." You might even do that a second time, redrawing one more time and really thinking to yourself what those terms mean.
4. Then, go to the other side and start to draw the missing profile that will complete the symmetrical vase.
5. When you get to somewhere around the forehead or nose, you may begin perhaps to experience some confusion or conflict. Observe this as it happens.
6. The purpose of this exercise is for you to self-observe: "How do I solve the problem?"

The book says that when drawing the other profile it should make me confused or disorientated but I didn't feel even the slightest bit confused at any point. She says it like every student she has had have been confused at that point so I'm worried that I'm doing something wrong. Anyone have tips?

>>3629062
Only brainlets get confused it was just meant to hugbox the absolute begs reading the book

>>3629062
Post your attempt.

>>3629006

>>3628855
stop drawing anime

Thoughts?

Do professional artists use correction when drawing digitally?

>>3629088
Very wide shouldered.

>>3629072
understood

>>3629006
Why is there a line at the dip of the upper lip?

>>3629100
for this type of aesthetic, form language and line work are crucial.

>>3629108
if by correction you mean stabilizer, the answer is that even amongst the top 25% of i/c nobody uses it. Reduce it over time.

>>3629119
a mistake i didn't pay attention

>>3629120
Very helpful. Thank you.

>>3628338
Eyes too big. Go back to basics, drawing what you see.

>>3628933
its not something ive actually started myself yet. but for inspiration go to pinterest and search dynamic sketching textures.
it`ll bring up loads of peoples work.

see if that link works

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/search/pins/?q=dynamic%20sketching%20textures&rs=typed&term_meta[]=dynamic%7Ctyped&term_meta[]=sketching%7Ctyped&term_meta[]=textures%7Ctyped

>>3628333
Probably going to work on lines, construction and gesture drawing over the weekend. Anything to point out on this image?

>>3629381
completely personal but i don't like those eyes.

>>3629381
Not sure if intentional but her hands and feet are rather small, if it's by choice alright then.
From a design point of view, is she holding a rifle or a xbow? Because I think she has a quiver with arrow/bolts behind but then it feels like a rifle or a shotgun on her hands.
I think the pose is alright, seems to be standing well enough.

>>3629454
No, the hand and feet thing is a bad habit. Any suggestions to work around it? The weapon is a double barreled shotgun and the arrows are for the wrapped up longbow over the shoulder, but I should probably just cut it all things considered.
>>3629383
I need to work on the head and face in general so anything specific to note or improve on?
Thanks for the feedback lads, might try and fix it up later when I get the chance.

>>3628939
Sorry brother.
I had just got back from work, which is a war zone sometimes, and obviously I had my defenses up and acted like snooty sensitive baby.
My apologies again.
I do look forward to posting some when I can see.

I've just decided to learn to draw and started on drawing on the right side of the brain. The author mentions the five day 8-hour-a-day seminar. Any experiences with the book? Should 40 hours of study be enough to work through the book well?

>>3629491
Well the average rule is hands are about the size of the person face (chin to hairline) and feet the head (chin to top of the skull). But everyone then has variations. In your case your feel like hands are about half the face and feet same but a tad longer, which is why I felt they could be consistent with the rule, just using a halved variation. I guess if you can do life-drawing, photo studies from people to get an unconscious feel or just measure things by eye/pencil or some tool.

Well, I would probably show the bow a bit more then or make a note like bow case, and the shotgun maybe twist it a bit towards the viewer so you can see both barrels.

trying to do anatomy without opening loomis books or even looking for simple reference is a genius idea, isn't it?

>>3629062
You know, I always just saw this exercise as a way to illustrate the difference and uses of positive and negative shapes. I know that book is based on a lot of pseudoscience so I’m not sure how valid some of it’s exersizes are, but I’ve skimmed through it and it looks like there is at least some good info in it. Maybe they also want to teach you how different it is to draw on the opposite side of the page where your dominant hand rests naturally. Personally I find the demonstration of positive and negative shapes much more useful.

What do you think? drew it straight from my memory. I wish there is a mirror tool in medibang paint, it would be easier to draw

What do you think? The feet are pretty fucked up haha

>>3629636
>>3627246

>>3629646
Oh shit, thanks

>>3629552
What do you want us to do? You know damn well it's a bad idea. Stop being lazy and go spend 2 minutes downloading and opening the fucking myriad of anatomy .PDFs we have on this board.

I did thing.

>>3629062
I think you're misunderstanding it a little.
The point wasn't to be confused, the point was to notice where your brain short-circuited or hesitated a little before drawing the left side; this indicates a switch in your mode of thinking when drawing.

>>3628333

Very quick commission, I know it looks awkward and the shading sucks but I did it for free and within a really short time.

>>3629721
mouth seems too wide but otherwise i like it a lot

>>3629729
The thing that looks off about it is that her massive sword seems completely weightless. Otherwise, not too bad.

>>3629732
I learned some things about thin lines and brushes halfway through.

>>3629729
The grip is very odd.

>>3629750

I know I couldn't be fucked to draw what it actually looks like, and the "customer" wanted it held that way.

>>3629758
>i couldn't be fucked to draw what it actually looks like
ngmi

how are these?

>>3629762

No like, the sword has a different grip, and I'm doing this for free, like when I draw for money I obviously take my time and put in 110%.

Also this is what they wanted.

But yeah being lazy is being lazy.

Do I just end it?

>>3629787
no. you keep going, faggot

>>3628551
Hey I took your advice, thoughts? Dump incoming, 4 images.

>>3629849

>>3629850

>>3629852
I think before I even attempt to add detailing to the objects, I need to focus on just doing strips of gradiated patterns and textures. I'm going to go outside today or tomorrow weather permitting and copy stuff I see, as well as some stuff I saw off the pinterest link another anon gave me.

I also think I should use a ruler and mark my VPs next time I try 2pp and not be a lazy ass.

>>3629729
the sword is twisted. starts out flat at the handle then turns to face the viewer at the end.

I think its because you have a dark blue on that first edge. if it sticks out it should catch the highlight.

also don't like the edge rings around the clothing shadows. makes them look too hard.

and that lump on her leg makes her look like muscle tumor guy.

Need feedback

>>3628333
So I watched a few guides/tutorials and people there were saying that face isn't just one hue. That there are some areas of blue, yellow, fucking green. Now I look at photos, at people around me and I see none of that shit. All I see is fucking pinkish ochre or whatever the fuck skin color is. How the fuck do I begin to see all those other hues?

>>3629849
that's a good days exercises.
id say don't try do too much with those forms, its only meant to be a quick exercise. if you put too much on your plate it will become a drag. your main aim is neatness now. your circle perfect in one loop, your lines straighter.

and to be able to motivate yourself to do that everyday. well done, time to do mine now.

>>3629883
Familiarize yourself color theory. The blue/yellow/greens in white skin are very desaturated hues and likely aren't reading to you as what they are.

>>3629893
Well, yeah, that's kind of my point. They aren't reading to me as what they are. I just don't see them. Are you saying that I will be able to see them after learning some color theory?

>>3629904
Basically, yeah. Just take the time to really familiarize yourself with what desaturated colors look like at different value ranges.

It's also helpful if you have a sense of the underlying facial structure so you know where to look--for example, under eyes and sides of the mouth may read yellow/green due to the thinness of the skin in these areas, upper lip of a man with a shaved face may read bluish due to the hair follicles, etc.

>>3629904
i think this is what you mean. it has different names. in 3d texturing i think its the subdermal layer. in painting colour zones or colour bands of the face.

>>3629909
Alright, I'll give it a try, thanks.

>>3629888
Good points. I definitely started becoming worn out during those forms. I'll keep doing these every day, I'm not happy with how it looks right now but in a year I bet I'll be a lot better at these things.

>>3629918
im currently on day 30 and ive seen significant improvement in the smoothness of my lines.
i also try look for new exercises to work muscles i don't often use. for example instead of just drawing lines forewords i draw them backwards, and do backwards zig zigs. i can tell when im working new muscles because i get shaky.
eventually things can get more complicated if you want but you gotta get the basics down first. gud luck fren

>>3629926
I noticed that too, when I draw back-leaning ellipses they get a little rough.
When you're done with your exercises, do you mind posting them?

>>3629088
Think about it as if it's 3d. Use basic forms to build.
Experiment with drawing the whole figure.
Consider how it looks from other angles and use that to inform your decisions.
Work on your arms, learn the muscles and how they interact to make up the whole.
Simplify at first, then carve out the finer details.

Keep at it, you're getting there, it's not awful.
Good luck.

I'm pretty happy with this, barring the legs, but I don't want to rely on reference photos...

>>3629882
Your structure seems good, if a bit exaggerated. Maybe try blocking in the shadows, paying attention to their hard and soft edges, and increasing your range of values to get a more polished-looking picture. At the moment you've just scribbled in some messy shading, making the whole drawing look unfinished.

>>3629999
Rely on reference until you can draw it from imagination with 100% confidence. there's nothing shameful about needing reference.

>>3629968
Awful. Don't lead the blind if you're blind yourself.

>>3629936
I haven't done anything worth posting really.
just lines curves and circles. I only do the forms like once a week as a treat. for now at least.

I'm practicing characters, but I don't know if it's correct to keep changing style while doing that.

>>3630067
It's good to experiment, even better to know what in specific you're stylising.

>>3628338
mau miu :DDDD

>>3628350
hey I saw you in /v/

>Day 4
>Keep drawing the FIRST FUCKING BLOOK in Fun With a Pencil
>Still look like a malformed blob

haha just keep going, you'll make it someday.

>>3630011
I'd start with the sticky anon.

>>3630102
based

>>3630102
Kek

>>3630091
drawabox

>>3630159
The problems arent the lines tho, it's fucking everything except the lines.

>>3630159
Should I drawabox and loomi at the same time?

What are some really good books or websites for beginners to learn fundamentals to then start drawing from imagination?

I already have a few books in mind:
Bridgman - Complete Guide to Drawing from Life
michael hampton - figure drawing design and invention
Betty Edwards - Drawing from the right side of the brain

Are these books a good start and do you have any recommendations? Even websites would be good.

>>3630192
>thinking drawabox is just for lines

>>3630219
sure, if you think you should

>>3630280
Perspective made easy.

Switched to clip studio on my iPad never going back to anything else.

Though maybe for portrait study’s I’ll procreate

>>3630399
>>3630403
how long have you been drawing for?

>>3630399
Really looking good to me, this one needs work tho: >>3630403

>>3630411
I picked it up again for serious a few months ago but I dropped out of art school in 2012

>>3628333
I tried to learn hand construction and how the joints work
how do I make the palm side not look flat

>>3630430
The palm shows form with the muscle groups and fat deposits so from that view you may want to block them in. I did a quick sketch on the right, but I need to study more hands, really rusty with them.

>>3630067
Sure, you can always catalogue designs by folder or envelope.

Anons is buying a tablet as a beginner worth it? Would it accelerate my progress even just a little?
Benefits i could think of:
>be able to redline on top references to be able to learn proportions, anatomy, etc faster
>will not have buy paint that is expensive and kinda messy for me
>no longer have to spend money on sketchbooks, and other materials as well
Based on your experiences, am i right anons? My budget however is not that high so should I just practice my fundies first and save up my money? What do anons?
Will also be dumping studiess hehe

>>3630582

>>3630582
(2/4)

>>3629381
Overdesigned with no fundamental knowledge. But that is okay, you can learn.

>>3630582
(3/4)

>>3630582
(4/4)

>>3630592
arm looks broken to me

>>3630598
OP here, yeah I kinda messed up the proportions here as well as anatomy. Was practicing gesture here.

how's this?

>>3630688
done another one

did some quick color studies. no color picker used. any critiques?

1/2

>>3630760
2/2

>>3630760
>>3630761
I'm worse than you so take this with a giant grain of salt, but it feels like your colors lack warmth especially when it gets to the shadows, afaik skin behaves very different from other objects there as it tends to get warmer instead of colder on the edges.

Do I have to learn to draw perfect before doing good paintings?

It feels very different to paint

>>3630776
I mean there are some painters who aren't that good at drawing, but you are probably making it a lot harder for yourself.

>>3630776
Fundamentals apply to both.

>>3630776
Good enough that everything is in the right place and you understand basic value structures. Then it diverges into color and brushwork.

>>3630784
>>3630788
>>3630791
Thanks.
I'll draw everyday and paint one smaller canvas on the weekend to get some brush skills

>>3630760
>>3630761
I agree with >>3630765, your shadows are very "black"

Going through figure drawing for all it's worth.
how bad am I?

>>3630902
Forget to resize, fuck my asshole

>>3629381
legs too big (length and thickness) for the rest of the body

>>3630902
you're not bad anon! Just keep practicing until you have it all nailed down.
I believe in you!

I can feel stagnation in my work, I've been improveing slowly, but there must be some big thing that I can't figure out that will help me leap forward

Hello /beg/, I just finished lesson 1 in draw a box. I heard from people on /ic/ that for draw a box, it would be best to only do the first part and nothing more, is this true? Also, once I am done with draw a box, where should i proceed next for construction?

I have been sketching with pencils for a while, but now decided to try inking and digital coloring, this is my first attemp and I need tips on how to improve on both, besides keep practicing, of course.

So what adjustments do I have to make this better, how do I make the bone protrusions and form feel more dynamic and lifelike?

>>3631025
It would be better if you did your exercises from Dynamic Sketching by Peter Han, that way you can know and brush up on your fundamentals (which also includes construction and line placement). Also remember to continue doing these lessons because they are the building blocks and will stop you from stagnating.

>>3631025
Read perspective made easy next; https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy

>>3631025

Lesson 2 is important too. You can stop there.

>>3630943
Read loomis again, figure out what the fuck these line are supposed to indicate instead of just doing something you've seen someone else do with out knowing why the fuck you're doing them.

hows this looking so far? I think the values are a bit too close but im not really sure how to fix it

>>3631120
Too many mistakes to list, I think the distance between the nose and the mouth is the most urgent one to fix. Do more observation drawings

is there a good book on clothes and fashion? i just want to draw characters in nice duds

>>3631160
The painting is nice aesthetically but I'm having a difficult time determining where your light source is supposed to be. I'm assuming in front and above based on the shadow under the nose and neck, but it doesn't read well because the light mid tones are kind of all over the place.

>>3631161
I dont get it? whats wrong with the nose. I know i completely messed up the jaw tho

>>3631184
yea i think i really need to work with having more solid shadows/light cause im always afraid that itll make the painting too "hard". will tinker with it a bit more.

how to get a sense of design?

I just wanted to draw a Jiren and ended up finding that I can apply the same techniques I use to color in Paint to do shading IRL. That is, doing a lineart of the spots I want to fill in and then applying values there.

Sounds absolutely basic but I am quite happy with this, it's more noticeable on the legs.

>>3630760
>>3630761
eric, take this to heart. continuing doing this is the only way you will improve. make as many of these as you can. portraits, figures, landscapes

>>3631160
a bit of an change, added some harder highlights/darkened some shadow areas.

Who wants to practice and make some money?

Hello /ic/, I am planning to get 2-3 more permanent pencils, mainly for line art and shading. For these purposes I was thinking I would get one 0.5mm for line art and one 2mm for shading, or is my idea flawed in this regard? Can you guys recommend any for either one? I heard rotring being tossed around quite a bit, alongside conte and koh-i-noor. Anyway, thank you for your help, and have a nice day.

>>3630902
lower bottom looks short

drawing for 2 years now but still shit what do?

>>3631266
me

I made this post >>3629704 in the other thread.

>>3629761

Thanks a ton for the advice! I really appreciate it.

> I think Loomis, Vilpu and fundimentals are more important.

Just to clarify, by fundamentals you specifically mean getting down the basic 3D shapes specifically, right?

>>3631351
>drawing for 2 years now but still shit what do?
why do you wanna pursue drawing?

>>3631395
Not that guy but in the same boat, and it's to draw porn.

>>3631395

Honestly, im in a similar boat but i've been drawing longer.

I just find art really fun and fulfilling, but in the last few months ive started wanting to get better and eventually try to make it professionally, but my art is still worse than /beg/ tier so i never post on 4chan.

It's honestly depressing, but at the same time art is fun. Basically i fell for the anime meme.

>told to draw what I want while im learning
>get an idea
>dont do it because im not good enough

>>3631395
basically this>>3631417

>>3631454
every fucking time

>>3631454
sketch it and put it away for when you can redo it better.

what i'm doing wrong and how to fix it?
pls be patient i don't know nothing about digital paiting

>>3631555
its supposed to be che guevera right?

>>3631454
>have fun idea
>can't do it because current skill is 10 different levels of terrible
>forever stuck on the backburner waiting for the day I'll git gud
>tfw it'll never come because chronic depression constantly halts my progress

>>3631565
y-yeah

Why tf not?

what do you do when everything you draw suddenly becomes absolute shit? i’m thinking of going 3 hours a day to review and study until i set myself right again.

>>3631585
I really like that torso and upper arm, but the rest of it is too short. Check your own arm, the hand is located around half the tight or just a bit higher. But it's a minor correction, the base is already there.

How do I go about learning bodies? Both male and female? anyone have a book that could recommend on it?

>>3631613
bridgman complete guide to drawing from life

>>3631075
Anyone?

>>3628333
I'm trying to make the lines more squash and pull
More exaggerated but i feel like there something wrong with it.
I'm hoping someone can point out some bad habits so i can relearn.

>>3631649
>>3631075
Do color studies on real pictures.
Contrast, value, air perspective...

>>3631240
Your painting doesn't match your light source.
There's no highlights nor dark shadows on your painting as well.

>>3629721
Hugo pratt reference?

>>3631621
I went searching for the book and found a PDFof it online.
Dude, the book is terrible, he explains very vaguely the content.
"Proportions: there various types of measurements, just pick one fag"

>>3631653
yea looks like im having a hard time with the values. this is my ref if it helps. not really seeing where to block in harder shadows. I know I didnt get the features 100% but im ok with that because it was mostly supposed to be a really quick shading thing

>>3631681
if you're having trouble one little kinda trick I've found is setting it to monochrome to see the shapes of shadow (but obviously dont try to ref just using mono lol). It's not value, but you can see the diff. also setting a colour image to greyscale can help too.

>>3631664
NGMI

>>3631688
which tool are you using to do that? also is this more of step in the right direction?

>>3631454
>>3631567
Speaking from experience, and looking through old sketchbooks (from as young as 10 to as recent as 22), you really do just have to try the things you feel youre not good at. One of two things will happens; you'll either surprise yourself and follow through and learn along the way, or get frustrated and come back to it later but learn what you need to immediately work on. Either outcome is good for you.

No matter what your depression and lack of self-esteem tells you, it's usually a lie or exaggeration.

>>3631589
That means your eyes leveled up but you can't translate what you see into what you do with your hands. So git gud and practise

It seems like in every thread everyone gets critique but me what am I doing wrong?

>>3631710
Your art is not bad enough to tear apart,
no one's online at the time,
your art is so bad that no one knows where to start,
no one knows what you specifically need critique on,
etc..
Go ahead and post something youre working on, I'll critique it for you.

>>3631714
This is some but this one >>3628731 is also mine

>>3631718
not the anon above, but from the bird pic id say work on your line confidence. A lot of scratch going on in the bottom part of the sketch. from the pic earlier in the thread, something about the proportions of the person in the front of the pic is off, I think their hands/feet are a little too big. The top guy's hand is a bit wonky too, might want to look at some refs.

>>3631707
its a layer property. I use CSP so if you use PS I'm not 100% how, but you can change between colour/greyscale/mono and preview it before applying it (allowing you to check your shapes, etc).
its an improvement for sure, your shapes are getting closer and closer. I'd push the neck further, thats the kinda weird part sticking out for me. the marble or whatever texture the stone has makes it kinda hard to see what should be where - but if you compare right under the chin in ref to the rest of the neck, asides from the top right of the neck, there isnt a whole lot of change

>>3631731

I use sai so i dont even think thats something you can do there. ended up using an online tool to filter it. thanks for the advice!

>>3631718
I am the anon above. Agreeing with what >>3631722 said, but you also might want to work on refining the stylistic choices in the head and face. It looks a lot like you've copied style without understanding what the artists were stylising.

The plates and other dishes don't have a lot of form, so they look flat. It also seems you don't have a great understanding of anatomy and proportion; this is made evident in the clothing. Your folds don't contour to the body.

>>3631739
had a google for you, couldnt find anything within a few links so maybe you're right. haven't personally used sai in many years so can't help you sorry :(

>>3631404
Unironically Loomis and then more anatomy. And probably perspective for comic book artists to polish it. Without construction you'll be hard pressed to make multiple interlocked figures to look good in your drawings.

>>3628871 again.

How do you guys feel about programs like Design Doll? I decided to model a few poses in it today and I thought it was very handy. I feel like I never fully think through a pose before I sit down and start drawing, but using the program made me more mindful about it.

>>3631664
>everything will work for everyone

>>3629100
now make it a squid and it'll be 10x cuter

>>3631708
thanks anon, I know I can make it. Im hoping this might actually help my self esteem too.

how do these look? i studied hands because a couple anons said i sucked at drawing hands. hand is my hand. no pic ref

>>3630765
oooo, yeah i can see that now that i put them side by side. thanks
>>3631235
okay ill try. they are so boring

>>3632005
you're getting better, keep going

just a sketch i did a while back

Where can I find a good tutorial book with the Frank Reilly Head drawing method?

>>3632017
not bad keep goign

>>3632020
try this: http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Drawing-Figure-Memory-Imagination/dp/0966711300/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202818226&sr=1-1

Can someone make a new thread at this point?

>>3632023
Thanks

>>3632036
New threads are made when current one autosages.

Lurk more.

>>3631274
It is, the whole figure is 7.something heads, I guess the problem is that legs are too short

>>3631366

Just an addendum: My every day beginning plan now is:

Draw daily, practice basic shapes (2D/3D), and read Loomis (Still not sure Loomis order but I can play around I suppose), read "Perspective Made Easy", and watch Vilppu.

When done, move on to do anatomy reading and the Dynamic Sketching videos/Bible.

Thoughts?

Using Inktober to learn how to cross-hatch

>>3632173 digitally coloured

>>3631656
>>3629721
Turned out better than I thought, still don't understand these paints. Need to switch out the yellow for something that doesn't stain as much and do a hue shift in masstone so I can get a red base and not have my greens go sideways.

>>3632210
Oops

>>3632175
>>3632173
very fucking nice

Drawing from imagination. My main focus was checking how good I am at guessing perspective and laying down the forms while maintaining a flowing gesture.
I did not touch up on anatomy since I feel it's intricacies would only be confusing if I'm unable to set up a proper layin.
Are there parts in this where the perspective is obviously wrong?

>>3632171
as long as you turn up every single day and stick with it any plans a good un.
good luck anon, keep it up

>>3632219
Reread your own post and realize how stupid it sounds. I say this for your own benefit. You're trying to draw from imagination, with a focus on gesture and perspective, while ignoring anatomy. Meanwhile, anatomical knowledge is crucial to drawing a good figure from reference, let alone imagination. It's obvious that you have no idea what the body looks like, so the clear solution is to keep using reference until you do.

>>3632277
You have a point.
However, most of the time I draw from reference I was referring to this particular drawing for scarcely considering the anatomy apart from the larger simple forms used to substitute the complex structure.

I am under the impression that anatomy is a secondary fundamental requiring the ability of placement of simple forms in perspective with proportion to even be considered.
I have yet to receive the feedback I asked for but I do appreciate your concern for my mental health.

>>3632219
>>3632292
I don't know what dumb bullshit you're rambling on about, but the other anon is right. This looks terrible. Just draw from reference.

For other beginners that have a lot of trouble with getting started with drawing people:
>>3632219
>>3632277
This reminds me of a very good exercise I did recently and that finally opened up drawing humans for me a lot more:
Pick a ref and look at it for 1-2 minutes, then draw the pose as best as you can, really give it a good try so that your brain will think this is important and becomes receptive to learning what it actually looks like. When you are done look at the ref and analyze your mistakes, you probably already know where you struggled, then copy the reference. You can repeat that process if you want, but that alone for a few refs gave me a really big help already.

>>3632315
Fine.
>>3632317
Will try it out.

I got a brush Pen

>>3632323
Which pen?

>>3632175
You barely cross-hatched, anon.

>>3632356
Pentel Pocket Brush. I draw too small to use it properly, that picture is probably 1 inch square. I need to work bigger.

>>3632361
When I use my pocket brush my ink looks so much drier and I have to use very slow strokes. Is it the same for you?

>>3632371
Ah, this is contrast adjusted. If I'm posting it online I always desaturate it completely and up the contrast so it pops. Here's the unadjusted original. It also helps to hold the pen vertically , you get better inkflow.

>>3628333
Are there any resources and guide for facial expressions,

>>3632380
Life drawing

>>3632380
cant remember the name but some faggy animation teacher has his students copy 300 expressions from 2d disney movies

>>3632317
So how much is really trying?
Also how do you draw hands when they're so small?

>>3632371
pocket brush pens are hit or miss every pen. I went through 4 til I finally got one with an ink flow I was happy with

>>3632371
That's the nature of the ink that comes with the brush I've found. On cardstock/cartridge paper I find it comes out much more matte, although more like 90% black, and I would recommend that or a type of bristol board. On shitty Canson mixed media paper I have I have to hold it slower to get the same matte look. I'm looking forward to when this ink cartridge runs out and going to be replacing it with some Rotring ink which should be a bit more wild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbItEKkNWZY

Well, this isn't the best anatomy on my part, but is there hope for me?

I don't even know where to start when it comes to color. Any good youtube tutorials or something to understand the basics? I juste want to make things clean modern for now, I'll dive into painting like stuff later.

>>3632581
Nothing you said has any meaning, just copy shit for a while.

>>3628333
I get stuck in this phase.

>>3632589
Use lines to construct the horse. If you want to block in your colors/values, do that AFTER you've laid down a solid sketch.

>>3631813
design doll is fine if you already have a pose in mind that you want to sketch and just figure out proportions, but unless you are really good at posing stuff in 3d, what you put out will end up looking pretty stiff. i use it to figure out complex poses occasionally, but i only refer to it loosely so i can push the pose naturally as i sketch it out.

more loomis head practice

>>3632589
Try going from big shapes to medium to small and keeping the integrity of them. It looks like you're getting too much into details too quickly when you don't even have a good base to work off of. Line drawings can help but they're not necessary. You're not going to get everything right, block out as much as you can early on then slowly go through restatements. It's hard to sketch and lay in values at the same time until you get a lot more experienced.

If I were approaching that I'd start off with constructing the horse. Then the next shapes I'd add would be the dark part of the horse's torso and the mane blockout. Then you can progressively refine detail until you're done. This would include adding the intricacies, plane and value transitions, and reflections.

who is the best teacher to follow to learn figure drawing? ideally with some videos to follow along with. should I go with proko?

>>3632610
study some noses

>>3632726
go have a look at them all yourself and find what works for you
this is entirely subjective for the very same reason that multiple artists are accredited for their skill in this

>>3632408
I use strathmore best fine, not for mixed media for dry media so maybe that has to do with it.

thanks for the video also

>>3632565
There's always hope as long as you keep drawing.

>>3632726
proko's good to start but i use vilppu, i never looked into if hampton or hutson have videos but i dont think so

Hey y'all instead of making a new thread, let's just move to the extra one already here.

If anyone makes threads in the future, please be sure to link it in the old thread, and wait until the thread reaches 300 posts and starts to autosage before making a new one. Please be sure to choose a high-effort, high-quality study or fundamentals exercise from the old thread and that it's rotated correctly.

I'm glad newfriends are excited to make threads but let's avoid cluttering the catalogue in the future.

>>3627870
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>>3627870
>>3627870
>>3627870
>>3627870

Aaand posting an extra reply for autosage.

Just started drawing a few days ago. Ehhhhh i want to learn how to draw in an anime/manga kinda style for fun. I’ve always been bad at art so if any one has any suggestions of what i can do to try and improve I would be very happy! Thx

>>3632585
What didn't you understand? I'm surprised. Take anime stuff as an example. They often use cell shading and as I said I noticed most anime did use the kind of lines I describe. Most generally I was talking about simple/clean/modern stuff, as opposite to a more complicated painterly style. (not that any is better)

>>3632759
not even that anon but you're still not exactly asking anything.
for colour, you need to factor in several things. you can't just give someone pink skin and yellow hair in flat values. that's essentially just symbol drawing, but with colour.
you need an understanding of form, values, direct and ambient light. even anime does this, it's just that those artists take those fundamentals and use them in their own way. to know how to shade colour requires understanding of these things so you can experiment etc
maybe check out sinix on youtube, he might fit what you're after. pretty sure he has a colour video somewhere.
I'd recommend colour & light by James Gurney. its a book, but it's also a really nice one with great illustrations

>>3632750
Learn anatomy and do line work exercises.

>>3631718
regardless of technique this is cute and i like the character.

are these colors okay so far? yes i know it looks a bit flat

Does anyone have any resource on how to start out with your non-dominant hand (writing included)? It seems like I have to start over because my right hand is going to be a hindrance in the comming years.

Newfag here. Before this map I was drawing stick men.
I busy drawing a new version and I need help on what to draw in the blight and the desert (Carhein/Zalfari). Should I attempt to colour it in GIMP? .Any thing else please.